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Our inspiration is from the Gandhi philosophy: "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win."
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Many thanks and best regards,
Pachinee Buathong —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nijiko ( talk • contribs) 20:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the Greenwood, MS references :) Jwh335 ( talk) 07:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Mr. Hartford your contributions to WP are wonderful. However, I wanted to ask you how is Civil rights movement veterans notable? I can't find any independent information about the org., and it has no References. Regarding St. Augustine Movement, is crmvet.org a reliable source? The St. Augustine Movement is important and I wanted to contact you before tagging it. Lionelt ( talk) 05:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your clarification on the talk page about Rustin's and Randolph's involvement. They both seem to have been the central organizational figures of the march, and as you point out it would be tough to say who was the main figure, or who's idea it was, because they both played different roles. I am not a scholar on the subject, nor was I around during the time of the march, so I feel that I am not knowledgeable enough to make a significant change to this article. It seems to me that the first paragraph in the organization section focuses solely on Randolph and Rustin gets credit in the next paragraph in a long winded awkward sentence awarding credit to a large number of other contributors. I think it would make more sense if the first paragraph talked about Randolph and Rustin and then the next paragraph focused on the other organizers. Alternatively the first paragraph could focus on Randolph, a small second paragraph could then be inserted about Rustin, followed by the next paragraph with the other contributors. The way it is written now, Rustin does not seem very prominent. What do you think? MATThematical ( talk) 22:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Regarding this could you let me know what the inaccuracy is? William Avery ( talk) 17:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
I started Wikipedia:WikiProject Nonviolence. Hope you're still interested. Kingturtle ( talk) 18:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I may need your assistance, if you are willing, on the MLK Jr article. With the advent of Glenn Beck's crusade to recategorize MLK as a conservative hero, there are now editors with conservative POV, trying to mitigate King's legacy on the American left. I edited the article to state his role as a leader of the 20th Century Christian left, and his impact as an icon of modern American liberalism. Certain editors, obivously unfamiliar with his heavy social welfare activism, want to claim he is simply a classical liberal and eradicate all links to progressivism or modern liberalism. P.S. I'm intrigued by your About Me... very nice. Motorizer ( talk) 00:24, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
I left you a message at Talk:Greenwood, Mississippi#KKK flyer about your reversion, since that seems like the best place to discuss it. — alf.laylah.wa.laylah ( talk) 17:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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Well, first of all, it should be capitalized in the articles name. Second of all, how did the page get deleted??? It is a very important organization in researching, recording, and store-housing the first-hand history of America's 1950 and 1960 Civil Rights Movement. Boggles the mind, if not the soul. Thirdly, good to meet you, I've never dropped by before although I knew you have edited here. I'd suggest another go at the article (I can't remember reading it when it was up), with the correct capitalization, and the alerting of people who edit the Civil Rights Movement pages who may have an interest in the vote. I certainly did not hear about it, or I would have "testified" on the question. Didn't the people discussing it look at the extent and quality of the website? Randy Kryn 1:23 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi. The same editor who tried for a change in the capitalization has put up an entirely new section of the African-American Civil Rights Movement (1954-1968) attempting this time to disregard his ongoing discussion and change five of our articles here to lower-case. It's beyond my understanding why he is doing this. As I suggested to him, just google or bing even a lower-case term such as 'civil rights movement' (let alone the more proper names) and it's obvious what the common name is. If you are interested please come back and vote once again. This is a very serious attack, imnho, on the legacy of the 1960s Civil Rights Movement, and I think it will need many people to comment to save it. Thanks. Randy Kryn 15:12 27 December, 2014 (UTC)
Both then and now (I hope you come to Selma in early March, would be nice to meet and talk). The invitation from Amelia Boynton and the others for SCLC to come to Selma was, according to James Bevel (and I guess it can't be used, original research, but the King Center must have records of it), a standing offer which SCLC didn't accept until late 1964. Bevel, Nash, and Orange were working their Alabama Project for voting rights from late-1963 onwards, and Bevel kept going to SCLC board meetings to tell them of their progress. I really should add the Abernathy quotes to the page, nobody else has as yet, and they do define Bevel's role quite well. The section right above this one, the 'discussion' is still going on (your past comment was in another section of the talk page, but I did list you on the 'oppose' list near the bottom because of that comment), and if you can join in it would be another voice in the wilderness (or at least from ages past). Randy Kryn 16:55 18 January, 2015 (UTC)
I would like your input on a proposed article list. The proposed article list is a list of campaigns that were part of the civil rights movement. The list would not be restricted to the southern United States. As an example for proposed list, see List of World War II battles. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Mitchumch ( talk) 05:32, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
After looking at your sandbox, the term "campaign" in your context is confusing to me because I wouldn't normally consider a speech by the president or a conference to be a "campaign." Perhaps "notable events" or "notable activities" related to the CRM would be more inclusive than "campaign."
As to the tricky question of which events/activities are significant enough to include in your list, perhaps rather than you trying to build a list of "significant" events/activities, instead you list events/activities that already have been chronicled or that in your opinion deserve an article. That's a subtle distinction, but it seems to me the advantage is that you don't have to decide what is, or isn't, significant, you let other people do that by whether or not they choose to create or suggest an article.
In looking at your sandbox list, I suggest you consider grouping components withing general articles rather than separate articles for each component. For example, you propose: St. Augustine movement: 1963–1964, St. Augustine school integration, St. Augustine sit-ins, Woolworths sit-in: July 18, 1963, St. Augustine night marches, St. Augustine selective buying campaign:, Ponce Motor Lodge, Monson Motor Lodge swimming pool incident. But for me, all of those events were in a continuous timeline by the same group of people so I see them as components of the "St. Augustine movement: 1963–1964" that should be included in an article about that movement rather than have separate articles. Brucehartford ( talk) 16:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
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I have a question I want to ask you regarding the term Civil Rights Movement and its etymology? Mitchumch ( talk) 16:43, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
That's a complicated question for which I doubt there is any clear-cut answer. When capitalized, "Civil Rights Movement" commonly refers to a distinct period of struggle by Afro-Americans for justice, equality, and full citizenship. There is common agreement dating its beginning in the early to mid-1950s and its ending in the late 1960s, but there are many disagreements as to precisely what (and when) should be considered the beginning and ending events and dates.
There is also the concept of the "Long Civil Rights Movement" of which the "Civil Rights Movement" of the 1950s and 60s was just one component.
My understanding is that it was the mass media who began using the label "Civil Rights Movement" for the protests that began with the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Dr. King and the other boycott leaders spoke about civil rights in the context of public transportation but they didn't formally adopt any larger name or title for what they were doing. I think the press picked up "civil rights" and used it as a handy label. Because the press was using it, activists and leaders then began using the term too because that's what people were reading in the newspapers.
My belief is that had movement participants had the opportunity to label what we were engaged in we would have picked "Freedom Movement" or "Freedom Struggle" or something else using the word "freedom" rather than "civil rights." If you go through the speechs and songs and writings of those engaged in the struggle, usage of "freedom" to describe what we were about occurs far, far more often than "civil rights." We used to chant "Freedom! Freedom!" we never chanted "civil rights! civil rights!" Our songs were "Freedom Songs," our marches were "freedom marches," we called ourselves "freedom riders," "freedom workers," and "freedom fighters." It was the media who called us "civil rights workers." Brucehartford ( talk) 15:54, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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I wasn't sure if it was okay to ask it here, but I have a question about one of your upcoming History & Timeline entries on the CRMvet website. The year is 1968 for entry "Tuskegee Expels All Students (April)". I wanted to learn more about this, but I'm having trouble tracking down sources. What are some of the sources you are using? Thanks. Mitchumch ( talk) 13:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
I wanted to share with you 239 pages of Justice Dept. files from the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum. They are comparable to the 1963 document "Civil Rights: Year End Summary" from the Southern Regional Council posted on CRMVet.org. Happy Holidays.
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I'm going to restructure the sections and subsections of the CRM article and would like your input on the ideal sections and subsections of the Civil Rights Movement article. I've encountered your thoughts on this aspect of the main article from:
You expressed on 1 December 2014:
I'm seeking a structure that better reflects the the growing scholarship ( Long Civil Rights Movement) and the move to start the CRM in the 1930s and end in the 1970s. Please ignore the fact that there are three articles called African-American Civil Rights Movement on Wikipedia and their collective size is large. I'm only concerned with an ideal structure for the article and would be only restricted to one article, not multiple articles.
On a side note, I was surprised not to see the 1963 Birmingham campaign as a pivot point in your outline.
Would this be something you would be interested in? Mitchumch ( talk) 08:46, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
I agree that pushing the CRM to 1865 does not make sense given the popular understanding/definition of "Civil Rights Movement" as a term. Personally, I've always liked describing the CRM as a "Second Reconstruction." Interestingly, a number of people last year (before the election) were beginning to conceptualize Black Lives Matter and related efforts as a "Third Reconstruction." As a side point, the term "Civil Rights Movement" was a creation of the mass media that participants had to use because that was the term the media used and now its the term history uses. But most of the participants saw it as a "Freedom Movement."
It's true that the national publicity won by Birmingham -- and above all its victories -- sparked a wave of similar protests across the South. But similar mass march and/or mass sit-in protests against segregation and denial of rights protests occurred before Birmingham. For example, Albany GA 1961-62, Baton Rouge LA 1961-62, Durham NC 1962, Greenwood MS 1962-63, Baltimore MD February 63. But none of them garnered the national publicity that Birmingham did and they did not result in significant victories. Brucehartford ( talk) 15:59, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Bruce, and I see you haven't edited in awhile. Editor Coffee has created a fast-moving (mainly because of his work and inspiration) and overdue WP:WikiProject Civil Rights Movement, and I hope this can interest you to edit again. Maybe others from your project would like to join in as well, if you have any suggestions or are inspired to contact them. Wikipedia's Civil Rights Movement collection is very good, and with Coffee's work, is growing daily. With the WikiProject another nice space seems to have been created for sharing and improving historical data, and there is nobody or anything better to contribute to the project than you and others from CRMV. Just wanted to reach you with the update, and I hope all is going well with you and yours. Randy Kryn ( talk) 15:09, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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You go ahead and do it as you suggest above. Thanks. Brucehartford ( talk) 21:08, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hi User:Brucehartford! I'm now on fixing up the article that you proposed a few weeks ago and let me know about. See User:RobLa/sandbox/Civil Rights Movement Archive for the beginnings of my attempt to create an article for the CRMA. As soon as I'm done creating a draft that I think should be a Wikipedia article, I plan to move what I've done over to Draft:Civil Rights Movement Archive. -- RobLa ( talk) 09:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
p.s. (for everyone else): I'm receiving no financial consideration for my work on User:RobLa/sandbox/Civil Rights Movement Archive. Bruce and I have both volunteered on political campaigns (possibly even the same ones) and we've talked about a number of things at activist-oriented events in San Francisco. My motive for creating it is because I think CRMvets.org is really neat, and I'm almost positive the subject is "notable" by English Wikipedia standards. Prior to 2017, I did not know Bruce, but since meeting him and learning about his work on the CRMVets website, I'm very impressed by his work. I'm hoping he donates more of his work to English Wikipedia. -- RobLa ( talk) 09:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
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Dear Bruce,
I am really appreciated for your contribution for wikipedia. First let me introduce myself, My name is Pachinee, I am a member of a documentary film project. We were pleased to announce the launch of "then you win" project ( http://thenyouwin.yooook.org), documentaries about non-violence movement in India.
Our inspiration is from the Gandhi philosophy: "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win."
We aim to release it with the rights to copy, modify and distribute under Creative Commons licence, we need everybody’s help to achieve that goal. As I can see you are a honour contributor for wikipedia, so we believe that you might interested in our project.
Please have a look our website and trailer and let me know if you could help us.
Please feel free to contact me anytime if you have any questions. My email is aey@garbure.org.
Many thanks and best regards,
Pachinee Buathong —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nijiko ( talk • contribs) 20:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the Greenwood, MS references :) Jwh335 ( talk) 07:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Mr. Hartford your contributions to WP are wonderful. However, I wanted to ask you how is Civil rights movement veterans notable? I can't find any independent information about the org., and it has no References. Regarding St. Augustine Movement, is crmvet.org a reliable source? The St. Augustine Movement is important and I wanted to contact you before tagging it. Lionelt ( talk) 05:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your clarification on the talk page about Rustin's and Randolph's involvement. They both seem to have been the central organizational figures of the march, and as you point out it would be tough to say who was the main figure, or who's idea it was, because they both played different roles. I am not a scholar on the subject, nor was I around during the time of the march, so I feel that I am not knowledgeable enough to make a significant change to this article. It seems to me that the first paragraph in the organization section focuses solely on Randolph and Rustin gets credit in the next paragraph in a long winded awkward sentence awarding credit to a large number of other contributors. I think it would make more sense if the first paragraph talked about Randolph and Rustin and then the next paragraph focused on the other organizers. Alternatively the first paragraph could focus on Randolph, a small second paragraph could then be inserted about Rustin, followed by the next paragraph with the other contributors. The way it is written now, Rustin does not seem very prominent. What do you think? MATThematical ( talk) 22:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Regarding this could you let me know what the inaccuracy is? William Avery ( talk) 17:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
I started Wikipedia:WikiProject Nonviolence. Hope you're still interested. Kingturtle ( talk) 18:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I may need your assistance, if you are willing, on the MLK Jr article. With the advent of Glenn Beck's crusade to recategorize MLK as a conservative hero, there are now editors with conservative POV, trying to mitigate King's legacy on the American left. I edited the article to state his role as a leader of the 20th Century Christian left, and his impact as an icon of modern American liberalism. Certain editors, obivously unfamiliar with his heavy social welfare activism, want to claim he is simply a classical liberal and eradicate all links to progressivism or modern liberalism. P.S. I'm intrigued by your About Me... very nice. Motorizer ( talk) 00:24, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
I left you a message at Talk:Greenwood, Mississippi#KKK flyer about your reversion, since that seems like the best place to discuss it. — alf.laylah.wa.laylah ( talk) 17:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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Well, first of all, it should be capitalized in the articles name. Second of all, how did the page get deleted??? It is a very important organization in researching, recording, and store-housing the first-hand history of America's 1950 and 1960 Civil Rights Movement. Boggles the mind, if not the soul. Thirdly, good to meet you, I've never dropped by before although I knew you have edited here. I'd suggest another go at the article (I can't remember reading it when it was up), with the correct capitalization, and the alerting of people who edit the Civil Rights Movement pages who may have an interest in the vote. I certainly did not hear about it, or I would have "testified" on the question. Didn't the people discussing it look at the extent and quality of the website? Randy Kryn 1:23 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi. The same editor who tried for a change in the capitalization has put up an entirely new section of the African-American Civil Rights Movement (1954-1968) attempting this time to disregard his ongoing discussion and change five of our articles here to lower-case. It's beyond my understanding why he is doing this. As I suggested to him, just google or bing even a lower-case term such as 'civil rights movement' (let alone the more proper names) and it's obvious what the common name is. If you are interested please come back and vote once again. This is a very serious attack, imnho, on the legacy of the 1960s Civil Rights Movement, and I think it will need many people to comment to save it. Thanks. Randy Kryn 15:12 27 December, 2014 (UTC)
Both then and now (I hope you come to Selma in early March, would be nice to meet and talk). The invitation from Amelia Boynton and the others for SCLC to come to Selma was, according to James Bevel (and I guess it can't be used, original research, but the King Center must have records of it), a standing offer which SCLC didn't accept until late 1964. Bevel, Nash, and Orange were working their Alabama Project for voting rights from late-1963 onwards, and Bevel kept going to SCLC board meetings to tell them of their progress. I really should add the Abernathy quotes to the page, nobody else has as yet, and they do define Bevel's role quite well. The section right above this one, the 'discussion' is still going on (your past comment was in another section of the talk page, but I did list you on the 'oppose' list near the bottom because of that comment), and if you can join in it would be another voice in the wilderness (or at least from ages past). Randy Kryn 16:55 18 January, 2015 (UTC)
I would like your input on a proposed article list. The proposed article list is a list of campaigns that were part of the civil rights movement. The list would not be restricted to the southern United States. As an example for proposed list, see List of World War II battles. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Mitchumch ( talk) 05:32, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
After looking at your sandbox, the term "campaign" in your context is confusing to me because I wouldn't normally consider a speech by the president or a conference to be a "campaign." Perhaps "notable events" or "notable activities" related to the CRM would be more inclusive than "campaign."
As to the tricky question of which events/activities are significant enough to include in your list, perhaps rather than you trying to build a list of "significant" events/activities, instead you list events/activities that already have been chronicled or that in your opinion deserve an article. That's a subtle distinction, but it seems to me the advantage is that you don't have to decide what is, or isn't, significant, you let other people do that by whether or not they choose to create or suggest an article.
In looking at your sandbox list, I suggest you consider grouping components withing general articles rather than separate articles for each component. For example, you propose: St. Augustine movement: 1963–1964, St. Augustine school integration, St. Augustine sit-ins, Woolworths sit-in: July 18, 1963, St. Augustine night marches, St. Augustine selective buying campaign:, Ponce Motor Lodge, Monson Motor Lodge swimming pool incident. But for me, all of those events were in a continuous timeline by the same group of people so I see them as components of the "St. Augustine movement: 1963–1964" that should be included in an article about that movement rather than have separate articles. Brucehartford ( talk) 16:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
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I have a question I want to ask you regarding the term Civil Rights Movement and its etymology? Mitchumch ( talk) 16:43, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
That's a complicated question for which I doubt there is any clear-cut answer. When capitalized, "Civil Rights Movement" commonly refers to a distinct period of struggle by Afro-Americans for justice, equality, and full citizenship. There is common agreement dating its beginning in the early to mid-1950s and its ending in the late 1960s, but there are many disagreements as to precisely what (and when) should be considered the beginning and ending events and dates.
There is also the concept of the "Long Civil Rights Movement" of which the "Civil Rights Movement" of the 1950s and 60s was just one component.
My understanding is that it was the mass media who began using the label "Civil Rights Movement" for the protests that began with the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Dr. King and the other boycott leaders spoke about civil rights in the context of public transportation but they didn't formally adopt any larger name or title for what they were doing. I think the press picked up "civil rights" and used it as a handy label. Because the press was using it, activists and leaders then began using the term too because that's what people were reading in the newspapers.
My belief is that had movement participants had the opportunity to label what we were engaged in we would have picked "Freedom Movement" or "Freedom Struggle" or something else using the word "freedom" rather than "civil rights." If you go through the speechs and songs and writings of those engaged in the struggle, usage of "freedom" to describe what we were about occurs far, far more often than "civil rights." We used to chant "Freedom! Freedom!" we never chanted "civil rights! civil rights!" Our songs were "Freedom Songs," our marches were "freedom marches," we called ourselves "freedom riders," "freedom workers," and "freedom fighters." It was the media who called us "civil rights workers." Brucehartford ( talk) 15:54, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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I wasn't sure if it was okay to ask it here, but I have a question about one of your upcoming History & Timeline entries on the CRMvet website. The year is 1968 for entry "Tuskegee Expels All Students (April)". I wanted to learn more about this, but I'm having trouble tracking down sources. What are some of the sources you are using? Thanks. Mitchumch ( talk) 13:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
I wanted to share with you 239 pages of Justice Dept. files from the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum. They are comparable to the 1963 document "Civil Rights: Year End Summary" from the Southern Regional Council posted on CRMVet.org. Happy Holidays.
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I'm going to restructure the sections and subsections of the CRM article and would like your input on the ideal sections and subsections of the Civil Rights Movement article. I've encountered your thoughts on this aspect of the main article from:
You expressed on 1 December 2014:
I'm seeking a structure that better reflects the the growing scholarship ( Long Civil Rights Movement) and the move to start the CRM in the 1930s and end in the 1970s. Please ignore the fact that there are three articles called African-American Civil Rights Movement on Wikipedia and their collective size is large. I'm only concerned with an ideal structure for the article and would be only restricted to one article, not multiple articles.
On a side note, I was surprised not to see the 1963 Birmingham campaign as a pivot point in your outline.
Would this be something you would be interested in? Mitchumch ( talk) 08:46, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
I agree that pushing the CRM to 1865 does not make sense given the popular understanding/definition of "Civil Rights Movement" as a term. Personally, I've always liked describing the CRM as a "Second Reconstruction." Interestingly, a number of people last year (before the election) were beginning to conceptualize Black Lives Matter and related efforts as a "Third Reconstruction." As a side point, the term "Civil Rights Movement" was a creation of the mass media that participants had to use because that was the term the media used and now its the term history uses. But most of the participants saw it as a "Freedom Movement."
It's true that the national publicity won by Birmingham -- and above all its victories -- sparked a wave of similar protests across the South. But similar mass march and/or mass sit-in protests against segregation and denial of rights protests occurred before Birmingham. For example, Albany GA 1961-62, Baton Rouge LA 1961-62, Durham NC 1962, Greenwood MS 1962-63, Baltimore MD February 63. But none of them garnered the national publicity that Birmingham did and they did not result in significant victories. Brucehartford ( talk) 15:59, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Bruce, and I see you haven't edited in awhile. Editor Coffee has created a fast-moving (mainly because of his work and inspiration) and overdue WP:WikiProject Civil Rights Movement, and I hope this can interest you to edit again. Maybe others from your project would like to join in as well, if you have any suggestions or are inspired to contact them. Wikipedia's Civil Rights Movement collection is very good, and with Coffee's work, is growing daily. With the WikiProject another nice space seems to have been created for sharing and improving historical data, and there is nobody or anything better to contribute to the project than you and others from CRMV. Just wanted to reach you with the update, and I hope all is going well with you and yours. Randy Kryn ( talk) 15:09, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Brucehartford ( talk) 18:12, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
You go ahead and do it as you suggest above. Thanks. Brucehartford ( talk) 21:08, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hi User:Brucehartford! I'm now on fixing up the article that you proposed a few weeks ago and let me know about. See User:RobLa/sandbox/Civil Rights Movement Archive for the beginnings of my attempt to create an article for the CRMA. As soon as I'm done creating a draft that I think should be a Wikipedia article, I plan to move what I've done over to Draft:Civil Rights Movement Archive. -- RobLa ( talk) 09:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
p.s. (for everyone else): I'm receiving no financial consideration for my work on User:RobLa/sandbox/Civil Rights Movement Archive. Bruce and I have both volunteered on political campaigns (possibly even the same ones) and we've talked about a number of things at activist-oriented events in San Francisco. My motive for creating it is because I think CRMvets.org is really neat, and I'm almost positive the subject is "notable" by English Wikipedia standards. Prior to 2017, I did not know Bruce, but since meeting him and learning about his work on the CRMVets website, I'm very impressed by his work. I'm hoping he donates more of his work to English Wikipedia. -- RobLa ( talk) 09:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
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