Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions, such as your edit to the page Onsen, have removed content without a good reason to do so. Content on Wikipedia should not be removed just because you disagree with it or because you think it's wrong, unless the claim is not verifiable. Instead, you should consider expanding the article with noteworthy and verifiable information of your own, citing reliable sources when you do so. If you'd like to experiment with the wiki's syntax, please do so in the sandbox rather than in articles. The following links will help you begin editing on Wikipedia:
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The Wikipedia tutorial is a good place to start learning about Wikipedia. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and discussion pages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~ (the software will replace them with your signature and the date). Again, welcome! Netherzone ( talk) 03:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please stop removing sourced (referenced) content from the Onsen article, as you have done several times. Just because something is updated, that is not a reason to remove sourced content. Instead, add new content (along with a reliable source) so that readers have an understanding of history and how it may have changed. Also please do not remove sourced content just because you happen to disagree with it. I understand that you are a new editor and may not understand these things. Thank you, and reach out if you have questions by "pinging" me. The Onsen article is on my watchlist so I should respond (altho it may not be right away.
Netherzone (
talk)
03:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ Netherzone:Hey there! Thanks for the explanation. I meant no harm in removing the info, just trying to give the reader the most accurate summary possible. I was confused over the inclusion of Naegleria bacteria. It has not been found in Japanese onsen and has not been linked to any cases. It is not that I disagree with its factuality, its that I do not understand its relevancy to the article topic (Onsen in Japan). It also is not included in the more comprehensive Japanese version of the article. In place of that, it might be better to add a risk such as heat stroke which is a confirmed risk.
- Additionally, nude mixed bathing in public facilities is not permitted anywhere in Japan. The first time I read the article, I felt it gave the impression that only modern onsen don't allow nude mixed bathing (implying rural onsens still often practice this) whereas this practice is virtually extinct in Japan and is not permitted under Public Bath Law (updated in 2020). This is what originally prompted my edits. I feel that my edits gave readers a more accurate view of onsen in Japan (supported by many sources I added). I appreciate that you chose to keep many of my edits rather than doing a full revert.
I'll ultimately defer to you on what to include and not, but in its previous form I fully felt that the reader would walk away with a false impression of the frequency and form of nude public bathing in Japan.
- Thanks again for reaching out! I understand that I'm a new editor and I'll refrain from editing the article again without agreement. There were some other things I would like to add in the future (for example, adding information from the Japanese page to the English page on topics such as history of onsen/types of onsen/health benefits) but I would like to make sure this is all cleared up before moving ahead.
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Bpcon98 (
talk)
04:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @ Bpcon98! and thank you for your reply. No worries, it was 100% clear that you meant no harm by removing content and citations. Because WP is an encyclopedia, it tries to include all sides of a story, so whether or not Naegleria fowleri being found or not found in Onsens in Japan, some of our readers may be interested in the scientific papers that were removed, because Naegleria fowleri have been found in other hot springs around the world. Wikipedia is not censored, and editors need to write from a neutral point of view. The amoeba has been found to exist in Japan altho it's inconclusive where the infections came from. It was found in the ethmoid sinus, meaning it was probably snuffled up the nose of one of the victims from some water source.
- WP presents all sides of the story, not only the most positive view of a subject. This paper, Pathogenic free-living amoebic encephalitis in Japan. By: Hara T, Yagita K, Sugita Y, Neuropathology : official journal of the Japanese Society of Neuropathology, 1440-1789, 2019 Aug, Vol. 39, Issue 4, which is not in the article documents nine cases; the paper reports that
"As a pathogenic amoeba, N. fowleri can only change to the flagellate form and is characterized by high‐temperature resistance that allows proliferation in environments of ≥ 40°C, hot springs, and summer freshwater lakes and pools, which are often reported as infection sources".
Including this type of information in an encyclopedia article does not make hot springs as a geological phenomenon, nor hot spring soaking any less wonderful. - I'm really pleased to meet another editor interested in hot spring onsen. I've created a number of articles about them (See: User:Netherzone#Hot springs. I try to keep the articles I've created free of advertising, promotion, and spam; so I was really great to see what you wrote about some Onsen becoming like theme parks (an unfortunate trend, in my opinion.) That you write about Oita is really great, since that prefecture has so many hot springs.
- Please don't feel like you cannot be bold and contribute to articles, you can, and WP encourages boldness! And please don't be offended if someone disagrees with changes you make - that's what article talk pages are for, to talk things through and come to a consensus.
- FYI, List of hot springs in Japan has several redlinks (articles that don't yet exist), I'd love to work with any interested editors who can help turn some of these into articles! Let me know if this is of interest.
- Again, welcome! And I hope to see you around, and please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions or concerns. All the best,
Netherzone (
talk)
02:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Netherzone: Thanks so much for your time and kindness! I totally understand now. I'll make sure to keep that in mind with all future edits. I actually live in
Oita and love going into onsen frequently. Once I got interested in editing Wikipedia recently, I thought some local Oita stuff would be a good place to start! I'll make sure to keep everything non-biased and follow all guidelines to the best of my ability. I'll take a look at some of those redlinks! I'd love to put more information out there about onsen not just in Oita but throughout Japan. Thanks again for all of your help and guidance!
Bpcon98 (
talk)
05:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nice work on the
Hells of Beppu. What a fascinating place!
Netherzone (
talk)
02:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Netherzone:Thanks so much! I did some work on other places in Oita and now I circled back to onsen! haha. I'd like to maybe add some history of them and then later make an English page for Myoban Onsen (one of my favorite onsen which is one of the eight beppu hatto). Also I am still new to editing and will undoubtedly make some editing errors at some point so please don't hesitate at all to make corrections on any of my edits.
Bpcon98 (
talk)
02:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also learned from you that the image I have on my User Page is from the Hells of Beppu (so I changed the caption to reflect that.) I found the image on Wikimedia Commons and fell in love with it. It would be great if there was a page on English WP for Myoban Onsen.
- Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions re: editing, or you can also ask at the WP:Teahouse, and if you have technical questions there is the Helpdesk WP:HELPDESK. Happy editing! Netherzone ( talk) 02:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Netherzone:Thanks so much! I did some work on other places in Oita and now I circled back to onsen! haha. I'd like to maybe add some history of them and then later make an English page for Myoban Onsen (one of my favorite onsen which is one of the eight beppu hatto). Also I am still new to editing and will undoubtedly make some editing errors at some point so please don't hesitate at all to make corrections on any of my edits.
Bpcon98 (
talk)
02:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nice work on the
Hells of Beppu. What a fascinating place!
Netherzone (
talk)
02:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Netherzone: Thanks so much for your time and kindness! I totally understand now. I'll make sure to keep that in mind with all future edits. I actually live in
Oita and love going into onsen frequently. Once I got interested in editing Wikipedia recently, I thought some local Oita stuff would be a good place to start! I'll make sure to keep everything non-biased and follow all guidelines to the best of my ability. I'll take a look at some of those redlinks! I'd love to put more information out there about onsen not just in Oita but throughout Japan. Thanks again for all of your help and guidance!
Bpcon98 (
talk)
05:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions, such as your edit to the page Onsen, have removed content without a good reason to do so. Content on Wikipedia should not be removed just because you disagree with it or because you think it's wrong, unless the claim is not verifiable. Instead, you should consider expanding the article with noteworthy and verifiable information of your own, citing reliable sources when you do so. If you'd like to experiment with the wiki's syntax, please do so in the sandbox rather than in articles. The following links will help you begin editing on Wikipedia:
- The five pillars of Wikipedia
- Contributing to Wikipedia
- How to edit a page
- Editing tutorial
- Picture tutorial
- How to write a great article
- Naming conventions
- Simplified Manual of Style
- Task Center – need some ideas of what kind of things need doing? Go here.
Please bear these points in mind while editing Wikipedia:
- Respect copyrights – do not copy and paste text or images directly from other websites.
- Maintain a neutral point of view – this is one of Wikipedia's core policies.
- Take particular care while adding biographical material about a living person to any Wikipedia page and follow Wikipedia's Biography of Living Persons policy. Particularly, controversial and negative statements should be referenced with multiple reliable sources.
- No edit warring or abuse of multiple accounts.
- If you are testing, please use the Sandbox to do so.
- Do not add troublesome content to any article, such as: copyrighted text, libel, advertising or promotional messages, and text that is not related to an article's subject; doing so will result in your account or IP being blocked from editing.
- Do not use talk pages as discussion or forum pages as Wikipedia is not a forum.
The Wikipedia tutorial is a good place to start learning about Wikipedia. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and discussion pages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~ (the software will replace them with your signature and the date). Again, welcome! Netherzone ( talk) 03:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please stop removing sourced (referenced) content from the Onsen article, as you have done several times. Just because something is updated, that is not a reason to remove sourced content. Instead, add new content (along with a reliable source) so that readers have an understanding of history and how it may have changed. Also please do not remove sourced content just because you happen to disagree with it. I understand that you are a new editor and may not understand these things. Thank you, and reach out if you have questions by "pinging" me. The Onsen article is on my watchlist so I should respond (altho it may not be right away.
Netherzone (
talk)
03:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ Netherzone:Hey there! Thanks for the explanation. I meant no harm in removing the info, just trying to give the reader the most accurate summary possible. I was confused over the inclusion of Naegleria bacteria. It has not been found in Japanese onsen and has not been linked to any cases. It is not that I disagree with its factuality, its that I do not understand its relevancy to the article topic (Onsen in Japan). It also is not included in the more comprehensive Japanese version of the article. In place of that, it might be better to add a risk such as heat stroke which is a confirmed risk.
- Additionally, nude mixed bathing in public facilities is not permitted anywhere in Japan. The first time I read the article, I felt it gave the impression that only modern onsen don't allow nude mixed bathing (implying rural onsens still often practice this) whereas this practice is virtually extinct in Japan and is not permitted under Public Bath Law (updated in 2020). This is what originally prompted my edits. I feel that my edits gave readers a more accurate view of onsen in Japan (supported by many sources I added). I appreciate that you chose to keep many of my edits rather than doing a full revert.
I'll ultimately defer to you on what to include and not, but in its previous form I fully felt that the reader would walk away with a false impression of the frequency and form of nude public bathing in Japan.
- Thanks again for reaching out! I understand that I'm a new editor and I'll refrain from editing the article again without agreement. There were some other things I would like to add in the future (for example, adding information from the Japanese page to the English page on topics such as history of onsen/types of onsen/health benefits) but I would like to make sure this is all cleared up before moving ahead.
-
Bpcon98 (
talk)
04:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @ Bpcon98! and thank you for your reply. No worries, it was 100% clear that you meant no harm by removing content and citations. Because WP is an encyclopedia, it tries to include all sides of a story, so whether or not Naegleria fowleri being found or not found in Onsens in Japan, some of our readers may be interested in the scientific papers that were removed, because Naegleria fowleri have been found in other hot springs around the world. Wikipedia is not censored, and editors need to write from a neutral point of view. The amoeba has been found to exist in Japan altho it's inconclusive where the infections came from. It was found in the ethmoid sinus, meaning it was probably snuffled up the nose of one of the victims from some water source.
- WP presents all sides of the story, not only the most positive view of a subject. This paper, Pathogenic free-living amoebic encephalitis in Japan. By: Hara T, Yagita K, Sugita Y, Neuropathology : official journal of the Japanese Society of Neuropathology, 1440-1789, 2019 Aug, Vol. 39, Issue 4, which is not in the article documents nine cases; the paper reports that
"As a pathogenic amoeba, N. fowleri can only change to the flagellate form and is characterized by high‐temperature resistance that allows proliferation in environments of ≥ 40°C, hot springs, and summer freshwater lakes and pools, which are often reported as infection sources".
Including this type of information in an encyclopedia article does not make hot springs as a geological phenomenon, nor hot spring soaking any less wonderful. - I'm really pleased to meet another editor interested in hot spring onsen. I've created a number of articles about them (See: User:Netherzone#Hot springs. I try to keep the articles I've created free of advertising, promotion, and spam; so I was really great to see what you wrote about some Onsen becoming like theme parks (an unfortunate trend, in my opinion.) That you write about Oita is really great, since that prefecture has so many hot springs.
- Please don't feel like you cannot be bold and contribute to articles, you can, and WP encourages boldness! And please don't be offended if someone disagrees with changes you make - that's what article talk pages are for, to talk things through and come to a consensus.
- FYI, List of hot springs in Japan has several redlinks (articles that don't yet exist), I'd love to work with any interested editors who can help turn some of these into articles! Let me know if this is of interest.
- Again, welcome! And I hope to see you around, and please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions or concerns. All the best,
Netherzone (
talk)
02:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Netherzone: Thanks so much for your time and kindness! I totally understand now. I'll make sure to keep that in mind with all future edits. I actually live in
Oita and love going into onsen frequently. Once I got interested in editing Wikipedia recently, I thought some local Oita stuff would be a good place to start! I'll make sure to keep everything non-biased and follow all guidelines to the best of my ability. I'll take a look at some of those redlinks! I'd love to put more information out there about onsen not just in Oita but throughout Japan. Thanks again for all of your help and guidance!
Bpcon98 (
talk)
05:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nice work on the
Hells of Beppu. What a fascinating place!
Netherzone (
talk)
02:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Netherzone:Thanks so much! I did some work on other places in Oita and now I circled back to onsen! haha. I'd like to maybe add some history of them and then later make an English page for Myoban Onsen (one of my favorite onsen which is one of the eight beppu hatto). Also I am still new to editing and will undoubtedly make some editing errors at some point so please don't hesitate at all to make corrections on any of my edits.
Bpcon98 (
talk)
02:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also learned from you that the image I have on my User Page is from the Hells of Beppu (so I changed the caption to reflect that.) I found the image on Wikimedia Commons and fell in love with it. It would be great if there was a page on English WP for Myoban Onsen.
- Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions re: editing, or you can also ask at the WP:Teahouse, and if you have technical questions there is the Helpdesk WP:HELPDESK. Happy editing! Netherzone ( talk) 02:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Netherzone:Thanks so much! I did some work on other places in Oita and now I circled back to onsen! haha. I'd like to maybe add some history of them and then later make an English page for Myoban Onsen (one of my favorite onsen which is one of the eight beppu hatto). Also I am still new to editing and will undoubtedly make some editing errors at some point so please don't hesitate at all to make corrections on any of my edits.
Bpcon98 (
talk)
02:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nice work on the
Hells of Beppu. What a fascinating place!
Netherzone (
talk)
02:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Netherzone: Thanks so much for your time and kindness! I totally understand now. I'll make sure to keep that in mind with all future edits. I actually live in
Oita and love going into onsen frequently. Once I got interested in editing Wikipedia recently, I thought some local Oita stuff would be a good place to start! I'll make sure to keep everything non-biased and follow all guidelines to the best of my ability. I'll take a look at some of those redlinks! I'd love to put more information out there about onsen not just in Oita but throughout Japan. Thanks again for all of your help and guidance!
Bpcon98 (
talk)
05:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)