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I don't understand your edits to Justice Pain and H8 Club. Can you explain them to me? Jonathan Burgess 20:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. When nominating an article for deletion via WP:PROD, add this to the top of the article: {{subst:prod|reason}}, with "reason" replaced by your reason for deletion. This is the simpler than copy&paste, and is also better for a technical reason that is perhaps too boring to explain. Tizio 19:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Your edit was not fully cited. For it to be so, you need to at least state the date of the airing and the context in which he said it. -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™/ ?! 00:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi there BooyakaDell,
Saw that you are looking to be adopted - which I would happily do - but I wanted to ask about the charge of being a Sockpuppet against you firset. You should also respond in the evidence page - see above in sockpuppet template. Cheers Lethaniol 11:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I have removed a number of your nominations for deletion within the realm of professional wrestling. Each fed that I have reverted is notable and there is no reason for the article to be deleted. I fail to understand your thinking with some of these nominations, when it's notability has been made perfectly clear. Particularly in the case of PCW in Australia, IPW in New Zealand and the AWF in the US. The Japanese nomination (Global) is patently frivilous given the feds that are part of the Alliance. Only a few nominations were correct, because the pages were basically empty anyway and not because they were non notable organisations. Curse of Fenric 09:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Note - re Australia'a PCW. Read the section about "Carnage Controversy". It is a notable event that makes PCW notable as a promotion. Please do not nominate it for deletion again. I respectfully query your wrestling knowledge. Local notability must be respected - and this also applies to the two New Zealand feds. Curse of Fenric 11:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell - sorry I was away from the internet for the weekend. Glad to see that the PRODs worked on the articles. Basically I think the process is that once the five days have gone past (and the PROD has not been contested), the article will be flagged up - and when an Admin gets time they will come and delete it. Of course they have lots of other things to do, and so it may take a while to get round to doing this. Lethaniol 15:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
You said, You REALLY need to chill out and take a deep breath on these Pro Wrestling in Australia articles. Just because they had AJ Styles vs. James Gibson or because they used the Taboo Tuesday concept does not make them notable enough to have a Wikipedia article.
Yes it does because they were the FIRST independent fed to do this. You are wrecking these articles with your false claims of lack of notability, and this is bordering on vandalism. Curse of Fenric 01:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
This is your last warning.
The next time you
vandalize a page, you will be
blocked from editing Wikipedia.
I removed the tags for deletion posted to Katie Lea and Roni Jonah. Both are noteworthy in that they are under developmental deals with WWE and wrestle in OVW, one of the most notable independent federations in the U.S. Lea is the current Women's Champion of OVW. OPMaster 02:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Could you please revisit the AFD for this article and expand on your belief he is non-notable? - Mgm| (talk) 11:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell,
Had a quick look at Kiwi Pro Wrestling and Action Zone Wrestling. In my humble opinion (IMHO) these articles seem okay. They might not be the most notable organisations in the world but they are also not totally obscure (both are easily found in top 10 when googled). It is difficult for me to tell if these are adverts/spam, it is not obvious but the articles look to be of decent quality and have not just been ripped off some website.
Some advice:
I am sorry BooyakaDell I have no definite answers for you. It is up to you. Leave a message on my talk page about what you think. Cheers Lethaniol 13:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell,
As I am slowly getting brought into this discussion, I will reply to all the points on my homepage. It would help if you could leave any comments for me on my talk page, and maybe most of the comments for Curse of Fenric as well. I have asked the same of the Curse of Fenric. Of course only do this if you are happy for me to help mediate. Cheers Lethaniol 16:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Chuck E. Chaos, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you.
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Carlo Cannon, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you.
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Action Zone Wrestling, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you.
You are not the owner of the rules of notability policy, and you are not the notability police. I declare you to be - in my opinion - a vandal. This is your absolute last warning. Curse of Fenric 22:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
http://www.xpwretrospective.com 66.11.54.71 23:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Please note that a user is perfectly entitled to remove warning messages from their talk page - although it is looked badly upon. However, in this particular case (involving User:81.155.178.248) the edits in question do not appear to be vandalism and appear to be 'good faith' edits. Also note that revert warring is against WP:3RR and could get you blocked. Finally, you may wish to look at our dispute resolution procedures in order to deal with this issue. Thanks, Localzuk (talk) 00:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
The situation is close to out of control - I have requested help from the Mediation Cabal before people start getting blocked. See Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-11 BooyakaDell Lethaniol 00:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell,
I know you are trying - but please try more to be civil. The comments to Norm by Curse were likely out of frustration - and through the power of Wikipedia you get to read them. See this more as him releasing steam elsewhere, and trying less to argue with you.
Thanks for coming up with compromise to not start an AfD for two weeks. I would like to suggest that you stop reverting people that removed your Notability tags - it will just get you into edit warring and put you in bad light. At the end of the day the articles will still be there - so put your efforts into other things until we get the notability issues sorted - then you can target articles that do not meet them. Lethaniol 00:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Am off to bed now - so we wish you goodnight.....
I recommend not issuesing any PRODs or AfDs until this current dispute and/or the current AfDs are resolved. Hopefully this will lead to some idea/consensus on what is notable or not. This is a recommendation only and not enforced, but I strongly suggest you follow it until the issues are resolved.
If you do put a PROD on a page and someone removes it - it would be very bad form and uncivil to put it back. I think you have done this before. In terms of notability tags, of less importance than PRODs, but still I think you should not get into edit wars over whether they are there or not. The general approach would be each time you add a comment in the talk as to why, and if the tag is removed you should discuss the situation on the talk page with the user concerned. Obviously this is beyond this now - and as said best if you left these alone until some sort of notability guidelines are agreed.
I hope this makes sense. Cheers Lethaniol 13:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Just a friendly suggestion - to make it easier to read your comments please format your points at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/BooyakaDell. Cheers Lethaniol 16:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
As you can see from the RfC - I have balanced things out a bit, so more of the story is shown. If you have your own evidence on other people's behaviour then I suggest you put it up yourself, though only pick good quality evidence - Quality not Quantity. And remember only comment in the response area or talk page. Cheers Lethaniol 17:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping up with the article. I'm not sure of the notability of this article. You are the author of it, am I correct? I won't remove it again, but I don't see how it could be included as a link. I could write an article on Samoa Joe and put it on Geocities... does that mean it should be linked? Where do we draw the line for things like this? Just askin...
I've added the "{{ prod}}" template to the article J.C. Bailey, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also " What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:J.C. Bailey. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria.
You have been blocked from editing for 6 hours for continued incivility after repeated warnings at User talk:Durova. Durova Charg e! 00:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell,
I am almost certain that you are using the Anon IP 67.86.149.41 to insert JB references, which can only mean IMHO that you are JB, as you have given no logical reason why you would want to insert these references in otherwise. I request either of two things from you 1) Admit you are JB before the Checkuser comes back 2) Give a damn good reason why you have been inserting these JB references in (even if the Checkuser come back negative).
I have been very supportive of you, when everyone else wanted to hang you out to dry. I know that you have made positive contributions - and that is the only reason I had continued to be supportive during the Cabal/RfC. If you have any respect for me as your Adopter you will see to my request. If not then you will lose my support forever, which you may not care about now, but later when you want to decrease the length of time of any block placed on you, you will.
I do not like being taken for a ride BooyakaDell, and certainly not being lied to. With respect Lethaniol 14:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell, JB or J.Barber - whatever it does not matter now. Of course the Checkuser came back about 10 mins ago, but you can check for yourself at WP:RFCU. To say I am disappointed in you is to miss the point. I feel that you lied to me, and tried to get me to help you out of a tight spot when other editors did not agree with your actions. You will be up for an indefinite ban now, and I will not help you if you try to have it reviewed later.
And this is a real shame. You were not going round destroying wikipedia, or distorting it - though a number will say you were. I still believe that you had something to add to wikipedia - but by being uncivil, difficult and playing the system, you have brought this on yourself. And while wikipedia will march on, the majority of your edits will be lost or reverted - so you really are the loser here. Again I am really sorry for you. Goodbye Lethaniol 00:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
There's no "excuse" I'm offering. What I'm saying is I was not on this account ("BooyakaDell") in the past 24 hours. I saw his "Sockpuppet" message for the very first time less than an hour ago.
I don't understand what you mean by "straightforward."
I appreciate that you want to be "perfectly fair" in working it out. BooyakaDell 01:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
When did I say I wasn't online?? All I'm saying is please don't say I neglected to respond to the above "sockpuppet" message because I was being stubborn; the reason for my failure to respond was that I didn't see the message till now. You're right Lethaniol wasn't under any obligation to put that message...but he did and he was nice to do so. I don't see how there would have been any gain from being "forthcoming about being JB196." BooyakaDell 01:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
JB196 was blocked by one single admin who consulted no other admins. People were calling for BooyakaDell to be banned LONG before any checkuser was even requested. Yes this is all hypothetical but how is it possible that a sockpuppet coming clean would result in anything other than an immediate block (I can't stress the word immediate enough)? BooyakaDell 02:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
You asked me to leave this type of message on your talk page. Bear in mind that you are currently subject to a 48 hour block on your IP address. Any posts other than to your own talk page constitute violations of WP:SOCK on that basis. I've been remarkably lenient: even though you were rampantly evading that block on your other accounts I haven't blocked the others. I don't mind if you participate in the WP:AN thread - I even notified you that it was ongoing - but your conduct of the last two hours has been nothing short of arrogant: even posting a message to another editor on my own talk page. The metamessage I read from that is gross disrespect for this site and its policies. You are very close to turning me from neutrality regarding any future request for reinstatement to strong opposition. Durova Charg e! 03:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
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I don't understand your edits to Justice Pain and H8 Club. Can you explain them to me? Jonathan Burgess 20:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. When nominating an article for deletion via WP:PROD, add this to the top of the article: {{subst:prod|reason}}, with "reason" replaced by your reason for deletion. This is the simpler than copy&paste, and is also better for a technical reason that is perhaps too boring to explain. Tizio 19:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Your edit was not fully cited. For it to be so, you need to at least state the date of the airing and the context in which he said it. -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™/ ?! 00:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi there BooyakaDell,
Saw that you are looking to be adopted - which I would happily do - but I wanted to ask about the charge of being a Sockpuppet against you firset. You should also respond in the evidence page - see above in sockpuppet template. Cheers Lethaniol 11:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I have removed a number of your nominations for deletion within the realm of professional wrestling. Each fed that I have reverted is notable and there is no reason for the article to be deleted. I fail to understand your thinking with some of these nominations, when it's notability has been made perfectly clear. Particularly in the case of PCW in Australia, IPW in New Zealand and the AWF in the US. The Japanese nomination (Global) is patently frivilous given the feds that are part of the Alliance. Only a few nominations were correct, because the pages were basically empty anyway and not because they were non notable organisations. Curse of Fenric 09:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Note - re Australia'a PCW. Read the section about "Carnage Controversy". It is a notable event that makes PCW notable as a promotion. Please do not nominate it for deletion again. I respectfully query your wrestling knowledge. Local notability must be respected - and this also applies to the two New Zealand feds. Curse of Fenric 11:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell - sorry I was away from the internet for the weekend. Glad to see that the PRODs worked on the articles. Basically I think the process is that once the five days have gone past (and the PROD has not been contested), the article will be flagged up - and when an Admin gets time they will come and delete it. Of course they have lots of other things to do, and so it may take a while to get round to doing this. Lethaniol 15:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
You said, You REALLY need to chill out and take a deep breath on these Pro Wrestling in Australia articles. Just because they had AJ Styles vs. James Gibson or because they used the Taboo Tuesday concept does not make them notable enough to have a Wikipedia article.
Yes it does because they were the FIRST independent fed to do this. You are wrecking these articles with your false claims of lack of notability, and this is bordering on vandalism. Curse of Fenric 01:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
This is your last warning.
The next time you
vandalize a page, you will be
blocked from editing Wikipedia.
I removed the tags for deletion posted to Katie Lea and Roni Jonah. Both are noteworthy in that they are under developmental deals with WWE and wrestle in OVW, one of the most notable independent federations in the U.S. Lea is the current Women's Champion of OVW. OPMaster 02:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Could you please revisit the AFD for this article and expand on your belief he is non-notable? - Mgm| (talk) 11:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell,
Had a quick look at Kiwi Pro Wrestling and Action Zone Wrestling. In my humble opinion (IMHO) these articles seem okay. They might not be the most notable organisations in the world but they are also not totally obscure (both are easily found in top 10 when googled). It is difficult for me to tell if these are adverts/spam, it is not obvious but the articles look to be of decent quality and have not just been ripped off some website.
Some advice:
I am sorry BooyakaDell I have no definite answers for you. It is up to you. Leave a message on my talk page about what you think. Cheers Lethaniol 13:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell,
As I am slowly getting brought into this discussion, I will reply to all the points on my homepage. It would help if you could leave any comments for me on my talk page, and maybe most of the comments for Curse of Fenric as well. I have asked the same of the Curse of Fenric. Of course only do this if you are happy for me to help mediate. Cheers Lethaniol 16:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Chuck E. Chaos, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you.
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Carlo Cannon, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you.
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Action Zone Wrestling, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you.
You are not the owner of the rules of notability policy, and you are not the notability police. I declare you to be - in my opinion - a vandal. This is your absolute last warning. Curse of Fenric 22:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
http://www.xpwretrospective.com 66.11.54.71 23:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Please note that a user is perfectly entitled to remove warning messages from their talk page - although it is looked badly upon. However, in this particular case (involving User:81.155.178.248) the edits in question do not appear to be vandalism and appear to be 'good faith' edits. Also note that revert warring is against WP:3RR and could get you blocked. Finally, you may wish to look at our dispute resolution procedures in order to deal with this issue. Thanks, Localzuk (talk) 00:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
The situation is close to out of control - I have requested help from the Mediation Cabal before people start getting blocked. See Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-11 BooyakaDell Lethaniol 00:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell,
I know you are trying - but please try more to be civil. The comments to Norm by Curse were likely out of frustration - and through the power of Wikipedia you get to read them. See this more as him releasing steam elsewhere, and trying less to argue with you.
Thanks for coming up with compromise to not start an AfD for two weeks. I would like to suggest that you stop reverting people that removed your Notability tags - it will just get you into edit warring and put you in bad light. At the end of the day the articles will still be there - so put your efforts into other things until we get the notability issues sorted - then you can target articles that do not meet them. Lethaniol 00:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Am off to bed now - so we wish you goodnight.....
I recommend not issuesing any PRODs or AfDs until this current dispute and/or the current AfDs are resolved. Hopefully this will lead to some idea/consensus on what is notable or not. This is a recommendation only and not enforced, but I strongly suggest you follow it until the issues are resolved.
If you do put a PROD on a page and someone removes it - it would be very bad form and uncivil to put it back. I think you have done this before. In terms of notability tags, of less importance than PRODs, but still I think you should not get into edit wars over whether they are there or not. The general approach would be each time you add a comment in the talk as to why, and if the tag is removed you should discuss the situation on the talk page with the user concerned. Obviously this is beyond this now - and as said best if you left these alone until some sort of notability guidelines are agreed.
I hope this makes sense. Cheers Lethaniol 13:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Just a friendly suggestion - to make it easier to read your comments please format your points at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/BooyakaDell. Cheers Lethaniol 16:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
As you can see from the RfC - I have balanced things out a bit, so more of the story is shown. If you have your own evidence on other people's behaviour then I suggest you put it up yourself, though only pick good quality evidence - Quality not Quantity. And remember only comment in the response area or talk page. Cheers Lethaniol 17:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping up with the article. I'm not sure of the notability of this article. You are the author of it, am I correct? I won't remove it again, but I don't see how it could be included as a link. I could write an article on Samoa Joe and put it on Geocities... does that mean it should be linked? Where do we draw the line for things like this? Just askin...
I've added the "{{ prod}}" template to the article J.C. Bailey, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also " What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:J.C. Bailey. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria.
You have been blocked from editing for 6 hours for continued incivility after repeated warnings at User talk:Durova. Durova Charg e! 00:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell,
I am almost certain that you are using the Anon IP 67.86.149.41 to insert JB references, which can only mean IMHO that you are JB, as you have given no logical reason why you would want to insert these references in otherwise. I request either of two things from you 1) Admit you are JB before the Checkuser comes back 2) Give a damn good reason why you have been inserting these JB references in (even if the Checkuser come back negative).
I have been very supportive of you, when everyone else wanted to hang you out to dry. I know that you have made positive contributions - and that is the only reason I had continued to be supportive during the Cabal/RfC. If you have any respect for me as your Adopter you will see to my request. If not then you will lose my support forever, which you may not care about now, but later when you want to decrease the length of time of any block placed on you, you will.
I do not like being taken for a ride BooyakaDell, and certainly not being lied to. With respect Lethaniol 14:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi BooyakaDell, JB or J.Barber - whatever it does not matter now. Of course the Checkuser came back about 10 mins ago, but you can check for yourself at WP:RFCU. To say I am disappointed in you is to miss the point. I feel that you lied to me, and tried to get me to help you out of a tight spot when other editors did not agree with your actions. You will be up for an indefinite ban now, and I will not help you if you try to have it reviewed later.
And this is a real shame. You were not going round destroying wikipedia, or distorting it - though a number will say you were. I still believe that you had something to add to wikipedia - but by being uncivil, difficult and playing the system, you have brought this on yourself. And while wikipedia will march on, the majority of your edits will be lost or reverted - so you really are the loser here. Again I am really sorry for you. Goodbye Lethaniol 00:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
There's no "excuse" I'm offering. What I'm saying is I was not on this account ("BooyakaDell") in the past 24 hours. I saw his "Sockpuppet" message for the very first time less than an hour ago.
I don't understand what you mean by "straightforward."
I appreciate that you want to be "perfectly fair" in working it out. BooyakaDell 01:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
When did I say I wasn't online?? All I'm saying is please don't say I neglected to respond to the above "sockpuppet" message because I was being stubborn; the reason for my failure to respond was that I didn't see the message till now. You're right Lethaniol wasn't under any obligation to put that message...but he did and he was nice to do so. I don't see how there would have been any gain from being "forthcoming about being JB196." BooyakaDell 01:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
JB196 was blocked by one single admin who consulted no other admins. People were calling for BooyakaDell to be banned LONG before any checkuser was even requested. Yes this is all hypothetical but how is it possible that a sockpuppet coming clean would result in anything other than an immediate block (I can't stress the word immediate enough)? BooyakaDell 02:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
You asked me to leave this type of message on your talk page. Bear in mind that you are currently subject to a 48 hour block on your IP address. Any posts other than to your own talk page constitute violations of WP:SOCK on that basis. I've been remarkably lenient: even though you were rampantly evading that block on your other accounts I haven't blocked the others. I don't mind if you participate in the WP:AN thread - I even notified you that it was ongoing - but your conduct of the last two hours has been nothing short of arrogant: even posting a message to another editor on my own talk page. The metamessage I read from that is gross disrespect for this site and its policies. You are very close to turning me from neutrality regarding any future request for reinstatement to strong opposition. Durova Charg e! 03:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)