Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming has been accepted. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be made at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming/Workshop. Fred Bauder 02:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Just so we know who we are dealing with:
It has come to my attention that Akulkis has been recruiting meatpuppets from the Mindmastery Essentialskills yahoo group. Here is the subject area of the said group:
"Amazing Power of REAL Mind Control, ancient teachings, Modern teachings scientifically researched. For YOU to GAIN ADVANTAGES & POWER in Secret, Hidden and Lost disciplines: Mind-Power, Mental Magic, Invisible Body, Miracles, Secret Prayers, Mental Atmosphere, Remote Influence, Mental Suggestion, Psychic Attack, Psychic Self-Defense, Mental Healing, Abundance, Mental Power, Psychotronic Power, Mentation, Subtle Body, Seduction, Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP), hypnosis, Self-Hypnosis, Mesmerism, Mind Control, Remote Viewing, Manifestation, Invisibility, Orgone Energy Generators, Time Lines, Brain Waves, Psychic Influence, Astral Travel, Fluidic Body, Mental Plane, Psychic Powers, Mental Influence, Zipping Protection, Energy Healing, Martial Arts, Qi Kong, Remote Viewing Past, Controlling Future, Manifesting, Dream Control, Dream Invader, Cloud Bursting, Magick, Kahuna, Huna, Secret Technologies, Pranic Energy, Psychokinetic Phenomena, Mental Radio, Voodoo, The "God" Spot, Aura Shielding, Meridians, Magnets, Psychic Mind Control, Demons, Psychic Functioning, Prophecy, Black Magick, Precognition, Dream Precognition, Time Distortion, Size Distortion, Auto-Suggestion, White Magick, Brain Training, Pendulum, Depossession, Out-of-Body, Luck, Psychic Laws, Ha Prayer Ritual, Secret Banishing, Mana Charging, Diagnostic Methods, Intuition, ESP Brain Wave Secrets, Distance Influence, Alpha Brain Wave, L-Rods, Guarding Mana, Theta Training, Secret Door to Delta, Accessing the High Self Consciously, Bio-Plasma, Bio-Energy, Psi Secrets, Suggestology, Eyeless Sight, Radionics, Supernatural, Psionics Generators, Evil Eye, Dowsing, Mind Expansion, Levitation, Life Readings, Intercepting Telepathy, Dream Secret School, Pyramid Energy, Radiesthesia, Spiritualism, Spontaneous Telepathy, Telepathic Hypnosis, Thought Power, Odic Force, Orgone Energy, Aura of Energy, Mind Clarity, Subconscious Mind hookup, and much, much more."
Here is Aaron's message to the group (dated 15th Dec):
From: Aaron Kulkis <akulkis@...> Date: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:31 pm Subject: NLP on Wikipedia akulkis2 Offline Send Email
Morons have polluting the Wikipedia page, trying to link NLP to Dianetics and Scientology, because obviously enneagrams = engrams....(even though nobody in NLP uses the term engram, other than some fringe loser author who absolutely nobody references except for these cranks -- who, it seems, have some financial and/or professional-status motivation to slander the NLP community.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neuro-linguistic_programming#Engrams_-_enneagr\ ams
It's time to bring some people more knowledgeable than myself into this.
Plus, 10 people can pick apart the arguments of these cranks better than one.
Aaron
According to the NLP article history, Metta Bubble, DejaKitty, and Blauregen joined soon after the message was sent. There were also some anonymous IPs that also joined in the fact deletions and advocacy thereof.
I'm sure Wikipedia has nothing against someone's belief in remote influence, Kahuna sect, or Ha Prayer Rituals, and of course it is a free world mostly and one should not be banned or persecuted for remote viewing, telepathic hypnosis, or pyramid energy development as they wish. However, that background may cause a slight bias towards pseudoscientific thinking.
I will post the appropriate meatpuppet messages.
Bookmain 02:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Metta Bubble, If you will not discuss this on your own discussion page, then we will discuss on the main NLP discussion page. Your appearance coincides exactly (within a few days) of Akulkis' appeal for help from more NLP fanatics. Bookmain 08:08, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
"recruiting to force opinion" is usually inappropriate, by any "side" or any individual.
Do you have the actual links to this forum post you're quoting, rather than just a cut/paste, to verify its contents, and any other info you may have? Thanks. FT2( Talk) 23:28, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
It is a closed forum. Any links will come up dead, and it is against the rules of most groups anyhow. You will have to join and do a search. Or I could provide post numbers. Bookmain 08:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming case. Raul654 01:49, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I have a number of questions regarding your editing patterns:
No Comaze. I've scant time as it is, and I feel there are too many distractions from improvement to the NLP page already. Though I wouldn't go as far to say that sort of distraction was a form of trolling, I certainly believe the article could be far more focused towards improvement. Especially regarding cleanup. Bookmain 06:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Today you made this post:
Hello Comaze. Considering the recent decision by Kate to retire after threats, I believe your address-seeking behaviour to be highly inappropriate. Do an IP check or just back off. Bookmain 09:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
You have been blocked for these edits. The reason is disruption. What you did is inexcusable. The idea is to work together and discuss things. It's not to unilaterally remove tags from the article. -- Woohookitty (meow) 06:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Good correction Woohookitty. I should've waited till you sorted it yourself. My intention - balance, result - censorship of editor's views. Not acceptable. I'll add my disputes to the article as you suggested. Bookmain 08:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
That's a good question. You might want to join the Wikipedia-EN mailing list. Wikipedia:Mailing_lists has the information. It's towards the bottom of the page. They often have conversations about privacy and how to protect it. Other than that, not really alot out there. It's difficult when we have people like Brandt out there who seem to like to "out" people. It's sad with kate in particular because she is one of our best (if not the best) admin. She's always extremely civil, helpful, etc. Anyway. you might want to leave a note on Jimbo's talk page as well. He's very big on privacy. Plus, he actually does respond to people. :) So you might want to try that. -- Woohookitty (meow) 09:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Nice to see the NLPers doing what you would expect. How about encouraging them to celebrate the exit of Kate, Woohookitty? Clearly she failed (according to Comaze). My wife spent 4 hours last night looking up case and international law on privacy and protection. We both together came up with some actionable international law on privacy protection ordinance, data protection, malicious prosecution, and others. In all, it comes to over 2 large files of information. Depending on how much Jimbo is willing to kiss my arse, I may consider handing him the info. But then again, I bet he doesn't give a toss. I mean, how much was he willing to protect Kate (or any other editor) in the first place? Anyway, carry on with the partying. See how easy it will be to clarify the NLP bs now! Signing off (from Hong Kong Skeptics Office) Bookmain 10:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming has been accepted. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be made at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming/Workshop. Fred Bauder 02:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Just so we know who we are dealing with:
It has come to my attention that Akulkis has been recruiting meatpuppets from the Mindmastery Essentialskills yahoo group. Here is the subject area of the said group:
"Amazing Power of REAL Mind Control, ancient teachings, Modern teachings scientifically researched. For YOU to GAIN ADVANTAGES & POWER in Secret, Hidden and Lost disciplines: Mind-Power, Mental Magic, Invisible Body, Miracles, Secret Prayers, Mental Atmosphere, Remote Influence, Mental Suggestion, Psychic Attack, Psychic Self-Defense, Mental Healing, Abundance, Mental Power, Psychotronic Power, Mentation, Subtle Body, Seduction, Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP), hypnosis, Self-Hypnosis, Mesmerism, Mind Control, Remote Viewing, Manifestation, Invisibility, Orgone Energy Generators, Time Lines, Brain Waves, Psychic Influence, Astral Travel, Fluidic Body, Mental Plane, Psychic Powers, Mental Influence, Zipping Protection, Energy Healing, Martial Arts, Qi Kong, Remote Viewing Past, Controlling Future, Manifesting, Dream Control, Dream Invader, Cloud Bursting, Magick, Kahuna, Huna, Secret Technologies, Pranic Energy, Psychokinetic Phenomena, Mental Radio, Voodoo, The "God" Spot, Aura Shielding, Meridians, Magnets, Psychic Mind Control, Demons, Psychic Functioning, Prophecy, Black Magick, Precognition, Dream Precognition, Time Distortion, Size Distortion, Auto-Suggestion, White Magick, Brain Training, Pendulum, Depossession, Out-of-Body, Luck, Psychic Laws, Ha Prayer Ritual, Secret Banishing, Mana Charging, Diagnostic Methods, Intuition, ESP Brain Wave Secrets, Distance Influence, Alpha Brain Wave, L-Rods, Guarding Mana, Theta Training, Secret Door to Delta, Accessing the High Self Consciously, Bio-Plasma, Bio-Energy, Psi Secrets, Suggestology, Eyeless Sight, Radionics, Supernatural, Psionics Generators, Evil Eye, Dowsing, Mind Expansion, Levitation, Life Readings, Intercepting Telepathy, Dream Secret School, Pyramid Energy, Radiesthesia, Spiritualism, Spontaneous Telepathy, Telepathic Hypnosis, Thought Power, Odic Force, Orgone Energy, Aura of Energy, Mind Clarity, Subconscious Mind hookup, and much, much more."
Here is Aaron's message to the group (dated 15th Dec):
From: Aaron Kulkis <akulkis@...> Date: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:31 pm Subject: NLP on Wikipedia akulkis2 Offline Send Email
Morons have polluting the Wikipedia page, trying to link NLP to Dianetics and Scientology, because obviously enneagrams = engrams....(even though nobody in NLP uses the term engram, other than some fringe loser author who absolutely nobody references except for these cranks -- who, it seems, have some financial and/or professional-status motivation to slander the NLP community.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neuro-linguistic_programming#Engrams_-_enneagr\ ams
It's time to bring some people more knowledgeable than myself into this.
Plus, 10 people can pick apart the arguments of these cranks better than one.
Aaron
According to the NLP article history, Metta Bubble, DejaKitty, and Blauregen joined soon after the message was sent. There were also some anonymous IPs that also joined in the fact deletions and advocacy thereof.
I'm sure Wikipedia has nothing against someone's belief in remote influence, Kahuna sect, or Ha Prayer Rituals, and of course it is a free world mostly and one should not be banned or persecuted for remote viewing, telepathic hypnosis, or pyramid energy development as they wish. However, that background may cause a slight bias towards pseudoscientific thinking.
I will post the appropriate meatpuppet messages.
Bookmain 02:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Metta Bubble, If you will not discuss this on your own discussion page, then we will discuss on the main NLP discussion page. Your appearance coincides exactly (within a few days) of Akulkis' appeal for help from more NLP fanatics. Bookmain 08:08, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
"recruiting to force opinion" is usually inappropriate, by any "side" or any individual.
Do you have the actual links to this forum post you're quoting, rather than just a cut/paste, to verify its contents, and any other info you may have? Thanks. FT2( Talk) 23:28, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
It is a closed forum. Any links will come up dead, and it is against the rules of most groups anyhow. You will have to join and do a search. Or I could provide post numbers. Bookmain 08:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming case. Raul654 01:49, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I have a number of questions regarding your editing patterns:
No Comaze. I've scant time as it is, and I feel there are too many distractions from improvement to the NLP page already. Though I wouldn't go as far to say that sort of distraction was a form of trolling, I certainly believe the article could be far more focused towards improvement. Especially regarding cleanup. Bookmain 06:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Today you made this post:
Hello Comaze. Considering the recent decision by Kate to retire after threats, I believe your address-seeking behaviour to be highly inappropriate. Do an IP check or just back off. Bookmain 09:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
You have been blocked for these edits. The reason is disruption. What you did is inexcusable. The idea is to work together and discuss things. It's not to unilaterally remove tags from the article. -- Woohookitty (meow) 06:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Good correction Woohookitty. I should've waited till you sorted it yourself. My intention - balance, result - censorship of editor's views. Not acceptable. I'll add my disputes to the article as you suggested. Bookmain 08:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
That's a good question. You might want to join the Wikipedia-EN mailing list. Wikipedia:Mailing_lists has the information. It's towards the bottom of the page. They often have conversations about privacy and how to protect it. Other than that, not really alot out there. It's difficult when we have people like Brandt out there who seem to like to "out" people. It's sad with kate in particular because she is one of our best (if not the best) admin. She's always extremely civil, helpful, etc. Anyway. you might want to leave a note on Jimbo's talk page as well. He's very big on privacy. Plus, he actually does respond to people. :) So you might want to try that. -- Woohookitty (meow) 09:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Nice to see the NLPers doing what you would expect. How about encouraging them to celebrate the exit of Kate, Woohookitty? Clearly she failed (according to Comaze). My wife spent 4 hours last night looking up case and international law on privacy and protection. We both together came up with some actionable international law on privacy protection ordinance, data protection, malicious prosecution, and others. In all, it comes to over 2 large files of information. Depending on how much Jimbo is willing to kiss my arse, I may consider handing him the info. But then again, I bet he doesn't give a toss. I mean, how much was he willing to protect Kate (or any other editor) in the first place? Anyway, carry on with the partying. See how easy it will be to clarify the NLP bs now! Signing off (from Hong Kong Skeptics Office) Bookmain 10:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)