I think I'll step back from Vancouver's FAC. I fear this disruption will not help our FAC nomination. I have work that I've been putting off on the WikiProject Vancouver. I would really like to see our WikiProject find a more suitable format for organization as well as a refreshing new look. Good luck on the FAC and thank you for all your contributions. I've added a usertalk box to the top of your page, don't hestitate to remove it if you don't like it. I won't be offended =). Mkdw talk 23:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Saw your provision of citations for the Panama-Vancouver relationship, but I don't have JSTOR so can't ref them at all to see what they say. Did see your inline comment though and quite frankly it doesn't make much sense to me - why would Canadian grain have to go through Vancouver to get to Europe? Maybe freezing in the St. Lawrence I guess, but that's after harvest season. Why would grain/shipping prices to Europe via Vancouver-Panama be more economical than via Montreal? The Crow Rate also made it more costly, I think, to ship agricultural produce west, just as it did with manufactured goods. I'll quote here from a note I left Ds13 late last night, just before bed:
One item to add - 1914 brought Vancouver's economy to a screeching halt; I don't know about the port and I doubt that its importance as the shortest conduit between the Auld Sod and the British Orient and India was likely even more important - including for the shipment of troops to the fronts from India, as well as the hundred-odd thousand (or few hundred thousand??) Chinese coolies who were engaged by the government of France during that war (mentioned in Morley I think, and also here in Wiki on the relevant Paris section of Chinatown or on a Chinatown (France) page maybe); they were kept in quarantine in the port of Vancouver somewhere, then also at Petawawa (I think) before being shipped across the Atlantic. They weren't shipped via Panama, suggesting military/political reasons they weren't sent that way; but I can't see what it was that would be being shipped out of Vancouver that was more economical to ship via Panama than via the CPR; the "tea and silk trains" ran from the day the railhead opened and kept up that pace until after the end of the Empire; US railways couldn't compete for various reasons. I know, I know, find a cite.....you might also pls have a look at my comments about the lead paragraphs to the article which I left on Ds13's page after the Panama comments. Skookum1 01:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Further comment: as you can see by recent edits I've been trying to get the chronology straight in the history section; but I just got in from a film set after being up since 4:15 this morning so am gonna wiki-out as it's hard to get the textual/chronological fluidity running right; the danger in this section is that it becomes too long, and given my prolix style I probably should be over on the History of Vancouver page first, trying to get the missing-era outlines done, rather than trying to untangle the current pastiche on this page. I better sign off and lie down for a while before I zombie myself in front of the computer for the rest of the evening (btw the film was Battle in Seattle and looks to be "politically authentic"; sometime this coming week they're bringing up 1000 volunteer extras from Seattle to restage the whole shebang!)
Here's the original version. -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™/ ?! 18:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
From my understanding and what I had been told, the original people's list had been a list of articles created or articles contributed to by our WikiProject Members. While the original list may have 'booted' its articles off its list, I feel it would be a good idea to keep track of all our articles for many reasons. The first is that I would like to see many articles associated with our project to eventually become featured status, not just Vancouver. We won't be able to accomplish or keep that goal in mind if we remove all traces of our 'good articles'. Another good point is that It's handy to have a directory of Vancouver related articles for either research, interest, and scope. Not to mention everyone including our members will get to see all the work we do. The assessment team in our WikiProject are very backlogged. Reviewing an article is hard work and very time consuming. Also, our contributors are not relying on those rating systems nor the colaboration of the month in focusing their efforts. Quickly dividing those articles into three lists of quality allow for fast management of the lists as well as users to quickly see which articles are in dire need based upon category: people, arts and culture, etc. etc. Thanks for all your work by the way, I'm happy to see how far Vancouver has come. Mkdw talk 06:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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I award to you the The Featured Article Medal for your countless contributions in making the article Vancouver a featured article on November 22, 2006. The success, integrity, and precision of the article would not have been completed with out you. Your patience and maturity in regards to the FAC and the WikiProject Vancouver has been an example to us all. Thank you! Mkdw talk 00:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC) |
Thanks for catching my oversight. - crz crztalk 00:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I got some help from a comp-sci friend of mine from UBC. He helped me do some of the tricky parts, but I had to do the rest first (like the rafters -- he helped with the seats). He used a program, but it's in the beta phase and he's not willing to release it though, so I can't help you there. -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™/ ?! 08:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I am relatively new to Wikipedia editing, and I wanted to say that I enjoyed our discussion on King, Granatstein and the Japanese internment; it was interesting and worthwhile. Most importantly it showed that intelligent discussion is possible on the internet. As for Granatstein and history, I agree with you (if I'm paraphrasing correctly) that we as Canadians do not need to minimize the mistakes we have made in order appreciate our success. Once again, thank you. Moomot 01:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
... for adding a plot summary to The Public Enemy. I would have done it myself but I'm bad enough at writing summaries on movies I have seen, let alone movies I haven't. Cbrown1023 03:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the notification. s d 3 1 4 1 5 final exams! 12:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
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Hi; you're the only other editor who commented on using the French version as "alternate name" in the box on the BC page; as alternate name I'd say it should be "Dogwood Province" or at best "Pacific Province", but this being English-language Wikipedia (and not a bilingual/bitextual Canadian version) I can't see any reason to include the French, and a lot of reasons not to; likewise in the first line of the article. The absurdity of it is heightened when you consider that we're expected to use accents in Montreal and Quebec now (which I don't) while CanFrench steadfastly refuses to even pronounce Vancover correctly (while snitting at us if we don't pronounce it in English as it is in French...); and while la fleuve Columbia is "Columbia River" in French, they're insistent that the area named for the Columbia is colombie (which no, historically, it wasn't). Rehashing old ground here, but wary of starting an edit war by replacing colombie-brittannique with an actual alternate English name ("God's Country", "Dogwood Province", "Pacific Province", "Bennett Country" being now out of date ;-) ). Skookum1 20:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
More thoughts on this: if the French is going to be there, it should have the definite article la colombie-brittanique (doesn't work without the la)...and technically it's also lower-case I think; having it in brackets and not used as if it was a phrase used in English (which is how it was before the brackets) helps take out some of its obtrusiveness; and as I pointed out, not that francophones who use it care, it's not an accurate or historically-correct translation anyway. And it's still not the "alternate name" of BC - that's the Dogwood Province/Pacific Province. Other provinces get off easy because they're untranslateable, or the French form resembles the English....except for one thing: that damned thing with the article. So if BC has to have a French-alternate form of its name, shouldn't that be applied across the board? So the Alberta page should have a first sentence set of brackets saying "Fr: l'Alberta", Saskatchewan would be le Saskatchewan, Manitoba le Manitoba, Ontario is l'Ontario. It's only fair isn't it that everybody else be subjected to officially-bilingual irrelevancies if BC has to be? Still can't understand why the Latin "Nova Scotia" has to get translated at all....and isn't PEI's "franco-correct" name actually Ile-Royale, not Ile de Prince-Edouard? They don't translate the names of Moose Jaw and Medicine Hat or Salmon Arm; why do they insist on doing it to "British Columbia"? I know the answer, and I can only think of how this sounds to those from east of the Granite Curtain: an reincarnation of Bill vanderZalm and the cornflakes boxes. But the Zalm had a point; not that he wanted to see Dutch instead (there are still more Dutch speakers in BC than there are francohpones, btw)... Skookum1 08:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to drop you a quick note to thank you on your article on W.W. Foster; I actually work for the Vancouver Police Museum and his family has recently provided us with several bits of additional information as well as some items from his eprson collection (including his sidearm, used in WWI and while a cop on the beat). If you ever do any other police related topics for Vancouver, let me know; I may have a bunch to contribute... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cognoscento ( talk • contribs) 22:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC).
You should consider joining the WikiProject for Films. Cbrown1023 22:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Bobanny, two things, first off your article on deadmans island is awesome, secondly I wanted to apologise for my remarks earlier about the east indian comment. It wasn't a very nice thing to say, I'm sorry I said it, and thanks for not holding it against me. I was just in a crappy mood that day. Sorry about that, it won't happen again. TotallyTempo 06:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Might as well ask you, since I just dropped by your Deadman's Island page and almost plunked a BC Wikiproject tag on its talk page, as I've been doing with other Vancouver project articles. Is this redundant? Most of us working on the BC project are also (so far) on the Vancouver Wikiproject; is there a hierarcy to be observed here, even though the BC project is more a child of the Vancouver one than the other way around?? Wondering if it constitutes "template clutter". Which of the project's talk pages would it maybe have been better to post this on, also; I'm not sure where the general message area is. Skookum1 08:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi; saw your change. Now let's just hope I got it in the right gender; instinctively the -ie ending is feminine, but not necessarily. I'll check over in le carnard enchaine to see if they capitalize it or not; probably do in titles, like in the infobox, but I'm not so sure about straight text. Now, do you think we should go ahead and add the French forms of Alberta, Saskatchewan, Yukon, Ontario, Manitoba? And while we're at it put "(English: Quebec)" (w/o the accent) in the first line of the Quebec article...oh that was premature; they have the English form first, and in the title, without the accent. Now if we can only get that procedure/model recognize for St'at'imc, Nuxalk and other First Nations articles where the name is in their language and spelling system, with characters such as accented vowels English doesn't have and all that superscript/subscript stuff that had been in Squamish Nation's evil twin Skwuxuxmesh or whatever it was...(see Talk:Squamish Nation and while you're at it check Talk:Kwakiutl and the corresponding Talk:Kwakwaka'wakw pages). Skookum1 09:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Dear Bobanny,
I noticed that you have a lot of experience with getting articles to FA status. I have been working on the Ohio Wesleyan University page article and am trying to get it to FA status. I was wondering if you could provide some advice on how the article can be improved? Also, any contributions to it will be even more appreciated! Thank you so much for your time! I greatly appreciate it! WikiprojectOWU 01:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Bobbany and Skokum - I believe my latest version is shorter, more precise, and more up to the point. It is not important to point out data that Stanley Park is 16th in the place. That's simply not true. I mean, the agency selected ugly Mexican park to be #1 in the world, and that park doesn't even have 1/3 of features and beauty of Stanley Park. The agency has discredited itself and we should not quote it. How can one put ugly, dirty, Mexican park on #1 place and Stanley Park on the 16th place? It's ridicolous. I strongly oppose information from discredited agencies to be included into Stanley Park article. I've been in Mexico and seen the ugly dirty park they selected as "#1 Park in the World", and it can't even be compared with our Stanley Park. Don't include that info, as by doing that - you are only insulting the most beautiful park in the Universe (Stanley Park!).
PS: Besides, three-revert rule applies within 24 hour period. Bosniak 06:39, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I can check but that picture was taken awhile ago. Mkdw talk 20:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi; I seem to be the only regular BC Wikipedian to take an an interest in this article; which has been edited and vetted by users with iP addresses in Ontario and Quebec (almost none from BC). Please see my response to User:IWin4U on Talk:BC Legislature Raids under "Article should be deleted" (which of course it shouldn't be). I don't know how to dig into the Wiki database to find out anything about User:IWin4U but I know it's possible to find out their IP address, and although my IP address locator is perty general I know there's others that can trace IWin4U down to a particular office. I'm very suspicious about the identity of many of the "contributors" to this page, and think we should have a POV watch or current-events tag placed on this article because of its importance on the one hand, and its volatility on the other. If you don't know how to do the IP address trace, pls refer me to someone who does. Skookum1 21:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Further on my talk page. Skookum1 10:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for your kind words. We are all trying our best to assume good faith and be civil I think. It's quite impressive. It does nothing to fight the stereotype that Canadians are polite! ;). There is always a bit of a conflict I think, about how deeply you can be involved in a dispute and use your admin tools. But I don't think this situation requires any call to a "higher power". You called it exactly right in you very first post to the talk page. It's not a content dispute. Therefore, we move on and edit. We get to work. Cheers. Dina 22:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
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I finally lost patience today. You're input would be valuable. Thanks. Dina 19:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Been looking for the discussion we had about what you found out about copyright and historical/archival photos/collections. Came up because User:KenWalker, who's up in Qualicum, is a laywer and interested in copyright law and he's got photos he'd like to add to. Could you get back to me with where the hell it was (on which talkpage) we talked about that on? Thanks. Oh, and Happy New Year. Skookum1 06:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
PS because you've read as much or more BC history as I have (although I get the impression more 20th C. than 19th) I'm coming to you first out of the BC Wikipedians (other than Mkdw, who's an admin SFAIK) about vandalism-deletes to History of Chinese immigration to Canada committed by User:HongQiGong, who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, or appreciate that the stuff he doesn't like is actually real and very citable and in all major BC historical works as well as throughout local histories in Lillooet, Yale, Barkerville et al. I won't go on except to refer you to [ [1]] for the paticulars and ask you to pay attention to this article; I had arrival and departure figures to add for the 19th C. (from Morton) as well as various other details, esp. concerning the gold rush and the economic profile of Chinese merchants/wealth in the colony/early province, but I see no point in adding material when an ethnic-POV vandal (who's habitually insulting, which gives his claim on my talk page that I'm into pesonal attacks all the more cutting a sense of...irony is it?) is just going to keep on deleting it. Skookum1 06:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)\
Thanks for your reply on my talkpage; I'll be avoiding doing anything, but just asked another friendly BC Wikipedian (who's Chinese) to help me with the material; I'd planned on writing very nice articles about the Chinatowns in Barkerville, Richfield, Lillooet, Omineca, Fort Ware, Cumberland and more; but there's lots of other more worthwhile things to do; I was trying to flesh out the gold rush section, which was pitiful and entirely incorrect when I found it. I've posted disengagement notices with Mkdw and on Hong's talkpage, and will do so if he adds another round of insults/snipes here; I learned my lesson about process, even though the process was wrong: Hong's breaking all kinds of rules, including 3RR as well as the harrassment stuff, so I'll deal with him the way things are supposed to be dealt with. I'll compile my cites and text on a sandbox page and maybe field them through you or my other contact (whose username I won't post here, as Hong is monitoring my User Contributions, it seems...) before posting them; they're all very interesting and worthwhile, and worthy encyclopedically as well as in other senses. Hong lives in Hong Kong, and quite honestly I don't think he cares or knows anything about Canada or BC except what he's been told...I have many vices, and it's true iconoclasty is definitely one of them...I get an overpowering sense of "needing to restore truth" when I see things that have been changed, or written, that are outright WRONG. Skookum1 08:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and thanks for the image/photo stuff. User:KenWalker said he had some other copyright law stuff he'd like to compare it to, so somewhere I guess we'll see him post his stuff, too. Skookum1 08:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
The Portal:Vancouver is undergoing a featured portal review. Sure would be nice to see you thoughts on it and perhaps help out. Cheers. Mkdw talk 16:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Just happened to see the Vancouver Portal's feature item on Deadman's Island and noticed this line:
Is that in Legends of Vancouver? I'm curious because if she said the Indian name she could well be meaning the Chinook version, which is the standard for any graveyard - Memaloose Illahee (there is no word for "island"; memaloose simply means dead, as well as dead men or dead anything). If it's Squamish language, I'd be curious to know what it is and of course it should be cited here (it's occurred to me to do a List of aboriginal placenames in Greater Vancouver so we could get Lucklucky, Eeyulshun, Mahlie, Snauq, Homulchesan etc all in the same place; would have to be a combination of Maj. Matthews/frontier spellings, official Squamish orthography, and IPA (as Wiki requires IPA for non-English stuff), but it's an interesting thought, no? Also meant to comment on something in the start of the history section of the main Vancouver article (or is it the BC article?) about the two "islands" mentioned by Capt. Vancouver; couldn't have been Deadman's Island as he couldn't see it from Qwhy-qwhy; all other interpretations of that text I've seen interpret it as meaning the downtown peninsula as the larger of the two islands, and Stanley Park in toto as the smaller one "in front of" the other; at that time tidal water could wash through the swamp connecting approx. Alexander & Columbia to Columbia & Pender...it's hard to wrap your head around now, but southern Strathcona used to be waterfront property - very nice waterfront property, apparently, until False Creek got filled in with rock from the blasting of the Fraser Canyon and Rockies.... Skookum1 03:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The cite on the page for the bit about Deadman's Island is Eric Nicol; I'm sure Matthews says something different, and also MacDonald (Vancouver: A Visual History, which I still have); I just got the Akriggs back from a loan to a friend ( http://www.fortlangley.ca which is the homesite for "Children of Fort Langley", an organization of HBC/First Nations/Kanaka descendants of employees/residents of the fort) and I suspect there's something in them (the Akriggs). I've just picked up from the Burnaby PL a book called People of the Harrison which has all kinds of juicy detail gleaned from (referenced) sources, and in the course of reading it I was reminded that memaloose can also mean "to kill" (I'm used to seeing that in the construction mamook memaloose - although the transitive auxiliary mamook meaning "do, make" was habitually omitted in spoken Chinook, which was famously laconic). The Harrison book has lots of nice details about the Chehalis and Scowlitz peoples as well as Harrison Mills and Port Douglas. Already have some books which are as yet un-mined for articles, e.g. Ghost Towns of British Columbia, but I picked up a few similar Dead and Drowned Towns of the West Kootenay, for instance (did you know there was a Brooklyn, BC?). Also fascinating stuff on the Scowlitz Mounds and the theorized pre-Sto:lo people who built them, and about their excavations by Charles Hill-Tout in the 1930s; there's new digs on them lately but I don't know the results..... Skookum1 05:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Happened to find this - Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians for local history - when I dropped by WikiProject Eastern Washington to get their template for Selkirk Mountains. Thought you might be interested! Skookum1 07:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I have a feeling that it was probably Joe Swan who borrowed the stuff from the Foster Family; he "wrote the book" on the history of the department and started the Police Museum; he passed away about 8 months ago, and may have still had alot of things in his possession... You might try tracking down his family. See you at the museum sometime. Cognoscento 20:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I know you haven't positioned yourself on this particular, um, affair, and are probably trying to stay non-involved, but in your capacity as a British Columbian please see the Erik Bornmann AFD] for my recent posts on it. It was extended as I had had an unfair block during most of its duration and the original decision to redirect was revoked so I could "testify". Please read all my posts and comments and also follow the links/cites provided. I am not asking you to make a vote, but I am fielding this around BC WikiProject people as it's the kind of thing we're also going to run into on everything from CasinoGate to Fantasy Gardens to Fastcats and more; even historical scandals and bios are soft-soaped often enough - it's just that this one is so blatant. I'm not partisan here - but I do feel that this is a test of Wikipedia's integrity (as well as of my patience). Skookum1 04:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Had a look at your sock report; not present in the AFD but in the article/talkpage's edit history are also User:Randy3 (12 edits to Erik Bornmann and its talkpage, one to Gordon Campbell [2]) and User:SaintNickIX 2 edits, both to Talk:Erik Bornmann and a few others found in the edit history maybe; one poster to the talkpage, Hammerhead he signs himself, has no account but he may be one of the IP address types also present in the edit history. User:JGGardiner does post on other subjects, all apparently - or nearly all, as he plopped something in Rachel Marsden also - to do with politicians, e.g. Harper, Volpe, Dion. Most disturbingly of all, however, which should be added to your sock report, is that rascalpatrol's sig on the AFD, and in the talkpage, doesn't go to User:rascalpatrol but rather to User:rascalpatorl (note difference in spelling - I noticed it originally which is how I wound up in my trouble from User talk:rascalpatrol - as I figured out how to get to his talk page - as it can't be gotten to unless you realize the spelling change). He must be hand-typing it in rather than using the four-tildes sig method, in which case it's a deliberate deception. The guy must like talking to himself if Randy3 and SaintNickIX are also him - they have little "conversations" on the talkpage together, as if they were different people. Skookum1 08:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Was looking for something in the edit history, and noted User:Riley Smyth ( contribs) - other than the two edits to create his userpage, only 18 edits, all to the Bornmann article and its talkpage. BUT, despite being an SPA, his edits are of the sort that rascalpatrol would immediately get rid of, such as anything to do with his infamous nickname "The Spiderman". He hasn't posted since Dec 21 so he may have given up on trying to put in information that was only going to get deleted anyway. There are various other SPAs on both pages, and on the Ledge Raids page (and Mark Marissen), but I gather you've done your legwork and checked out their various edits. I may check around the Ledge Raids page and the Marissen page to see "who else turns up", though....when I get up tomorrow morning, that is (2:10am). Skookum1 10:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. No doubt you've seen Omar Jack's latest post, and Rich_H's, attacking me. I know these guys are trying to bait me into getting blocked again, but it ain't gonna happen. I'm wondering what to do about Omar Jack's personal attack on me, to whit that I am one of the people charged in the case etc. Obviously a violation of Wikiquette - but is there much point in getting a sockpuppet blocked? Also, not sure which of the many possible arenas to file a complaint with Wikidom is, off the various possiblites on WP:ANI. That personal attacks are being made in the course of an AFD by the same "people" who made personal attacks throughout the history of the article/talkpage strikes me as very ugly; I think they've realized they can't wantonly delete other people's posts on the AFD, as they were doing so consistently in the article, so it seems that they're doing "attack for attack". I'm disengaging, except for my latest rejoinder to Omar Jack's complaint about the stubbornness of my principles; I'm sure everyone else, other than the sockpuppets, saw the irony in his bleat but being a Scorp and all....it's amazing that "people" who've posted under 10 times on Wikipedia each are presuming to lecture "us" on what is and isn't acceptable content. If Mr. Bornmann and his allies are worried about someone discrediting his credibility/character in advance of the trial, no one could be doing a better job of that than they are doing themselves by such behaviour. Anyway, your suggestions about what to do about personal-attack-by-sockpuppet; should I go WP:ANI or would these comments warrant mention on the Sockpuppet Notice/Discussion (which you'll note none of them have sought to say anything on, other than complaining about it on the AFD)? Skookum1 00:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi on a different topic; just in the process of trying to whip up a Userbox for WikiProject BC members, and may make a stab at certain templates I think are needed. I posted about this on the project's talkpage but I'm getting the feeling that no one else has that page on their watchlist, as I've never gotten a reply there to anything. Gonna use the province-shape-with-flag logo for the userbox, though I'd rather find a nice dogwood.... Skookum1 01:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Made a stab at a userbox; check 'er out: Template:User WikiProject British Columbia (use {{User WikiProject British Columbia}} ). Fudged around with the colours and borders for a while, tried to use colours taken from the dogwood but wound up blue-adjusting the background, not quite happy with the bkgnd colour but it's better than the grey-transparent on the Vancouver userbox. Trying to think which stubs are needed; I think one for mountain and moutain range stubs (there'll be hundreds of these...), though the dogwood won't do for that; could use it for parks stubs, though, no? There's already a protected area stub that has a thing from the US Southwest on it; might as well replace it with the dogwood (d'ya like the dogwood? It's from Wikimedia Commons...I thumbed it down though). Trying to remember which other stubs are needed....bio-stub I guess for biographies, I'm thinking one for communities/settlements, have to think what else. Suggestions? Skookum1 02:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Have a look at the templates section of the WikiProject; prob. will make some more before bed (mountains, rivers will be so numerous that it seems necessary; not sure about islands, which could keep the geo-stub ). Skookum1 09:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Just had a quick look at WP:ANI and, while the personal attacks thing re their saying I'm someone involved in the trial is a doozy, what caught my eye was WP:COI. Now, filing a complaint about this would mean fingering rascalpatrol as so-and-so, and now Tompettyfan as the other so-and-so, and you're not supposed to "out" people's real ID in Wikipedia. But admins, or someone, could confirm that they are who they're pretending not to be, as I doubt they were smart enough to sign up under "mask" email accounts, more probably under their own regular email addresses; but esp. with Tompettyfan it's very clear from his edits that he's a Liberal. And it's very clear that rascalpatrol is a Liberal. Seems like pretty clear WP:COI but it's not as if they are abiding by any other Wikipedia guidelines, so why start now, huh? I guess the forum is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard but I'm not sure if you have to be an admin to post there.
They're all chiming in on "delete" now, you'll notice, as I'd said that deleting the article would wipe the edit history. I don't think that's the case, as ultimately everything is archived somewhere, but it was interesting to say that and then watch them change their tune from "redirect" (and rascalpatrol's disigenuous "neutral") to "delete". Jammy Simpson contributes on comic books and sci-fi, by the look of his edit contribs (and Bavarian porn, whatever that is)..
Gotta actually go do some real life stuff....hunting around for a mountain-pic to use for the BritishColumbia-mountains-stub and replaced all the geo-stubs for communities/localities in the A and B sections of the geo-stub's category with the communities-stub (that's all so far). Also going to draft up a sandbox version of Dave Basi, and also one for EB; I'd post the link here but I don't know if you are, or I am, having my edit contributions watched. I'm not sure they're that smart about Wikitricks, maybe..... Skookum1 00:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Sigh. I was trying to be bold with my new stubs for the BC WikiProject, but I seem to have stepped on procedure/guidelines again; as per Grutness' on my talkpage so will be having to deal with the SFD in the next few days; apology, plus making requests to get them made. I didn't know the stuff about the geo-stubs being automatically inclusive of this or that and how it can't be subdivided for mountains etc.....but it seems to me that the reality of the BC landscape can't really be comprehended by "flatlanders", and the Wiki rule sets weren't made with situations like ours; I swear there are mountains than people in this province!! Even named peaks here outnumber those in WA, OR, ID and CA combined, and that's not including unnamed ones. Just named mountain ranges along number in the hundreds. Likewise, BC has more ghost towns than the rest of British Columbia put together, and that's not even including "phantom" towns (promotions that never materialized, or which vanished within a few weeks); and we've got hundreds of small rural Indian Reserves and also non-native localities which are distinct if tiny; couldn't be lumped into an article on town two valleys and fifty miles away, for example.... And the reason for the bio-stub I wanted is because our particular history is very much one of individuals - "characters" - (rather than classes, genders or ethnic groups, but there's that previous discussion of ours I never got back to!). Bios of guys like Volcanic Brown, Gustavus Blin Wright etc. - Gassy Jack and Ma Murray would fall into this category, if there articles weren't already not-stubs; I think I left Brother XII as a stub, even though it's got some content - it could use a lot more (if you don't know who he was, have a quick read...). In the pioneer era many of these guys can get the politician stub - Frank Barnard of the B.X. Express, or Forbes George Vernon. These were just guys who wound up as MLAs, MPs, just for a term or two; not professional pols; but because they got elected they get the politician stub. I'm not wanting everyone and everything to be a stub....I'm just aware of exactly how big the potential article infrastructure thing is for BC, given the complexity of our history, population and geography. Oh, speaking of which what did you think of the Local History WikiProject? And if you wouldn't mind, could you have a look at my comments on the Talkpage at Category:Scandinavian British Columbians? Skookum1 08:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your comments/actions at the Ecole Polytechnique Massacre page. I am grateful to have others that are willing to share in the reasoning and explaining (and reverting) duties! -- Slp1 20:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi; decided to move what I just wrote here to the WikiProject British Columbia talkpage for hopefully general discussion/input/awareness of its issues; don't mean to clutter up your talkpage with my rambles, either..... Skookum1 09:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi; started going through the BC political parties category, made it as far as A-E and also Y, but taking a break as it's a grind. Thought I'd better ask you to have a look at the text used; maybe it needs tweaking....or maybe it's wrong? Sample off the top of my head would be on Talk:British Columbia Unity Party. Suggest we draft something similar about WP:BIO, WP:BLP and especially WP:AUTO on all political biography pages, also. I would have posted this on the talkpage for the BC wikiproject but I don't know if any of the rest of the project have it on their watchlist.... Skookum1 01:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see Ongoing vandalism by sockpuppet at Erik Bornmann page at Proto's talkpage. Skookum1 02:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Also made the redirect for Rock Creek War, since there wasn't a point in two articles (as there is with Fraser Canyon Gold Rush and Fraser Canyon War). Nice to write about something other than, well, you know....enjoy, and please add anything or fix anything that seems fitting. Unlike r.p. and friends, I don't have a problem with other people editing my Wiki contributions.... Skookum1 10:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see this. Skookum1 19:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Bobanny, I just wanted to thank you for your continuous dedication to the Vancouver Portal and the WikiProject Vancouver, as well as its relating articles. Thank you also for supporting my changes to the project, together, along with the other contributors we have accomplished much in the last couple of months. Its nice to have a friend. Mkdw talk 06:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah you're right Bobanny, in my growing frustration I didn't notice all the other users who are helping with the issue, thanks for your message. I agree with the idea of leaving him alone and just tagging him as he vandalises. I just hope he stops leaving messages on my talk page before I Kettlise him, which is what I'm worried about. SGGH 21:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm on my agenda of trying to get outlines of all BC's gold rushes done, paving the way for various ghost towns and historical/geo-region articles and other stuff. So please check out Big Bend Gold Rush, which I just winged it on; still have to check dates and get more exact locations, earnings, nos. of men etc but it's a start; someone else might want to review it, although I gave it ratings when I put in the BC Wikiproject template, which as the author I shouldn't do. Touch-ups on the article welcome of course. Probably doing the Omineca Gold Rush next, but I've been saying that for two weeks...and also a list of ship-stubs for inland and saltwater steamers/ships....holding my breath on stomaching the checkuser I guess, trying to not write anything that makes me p'd off - ;-) - and I am a Scorpio, moon in Taurus after all - so doing my history stuff instead, and puttering about the mountain range articles and maps ;=} And at some point there's a bit about Lady Jane Franklin cavorting in Yale for almost a year that's worth the telling/documenting.... Skookum1 01:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi; although I know you own Morley I wanted to let you know I served up some on User talk:OldManRivers as he was interested in a certain passage to do with Moody's freeing of slaves as part of the land-survey of Burrard Inlet that was conducted by Moberley and Burnaby, with themselves and Moody and Admiral Baynes being the chief benefactors; one of the dirtiest colonial-era scandals, to be sure, but no newspapers around so no handy title to use for an article (the allocations were reversed due to obvious conflict-of-interest, with colonial politicians denoucning the "military clique" that had taken prime land for itself, by dint of Moody's sweeping powers as, jointly, head of the military in the colony, Commissioner/Minister of Public Works, and also Minister/Commissioner of Lands, i.e. responsible for the first land law, which is what these surveys were in fact the first application of, overturned as they were; but that and some details about First Nations in Stanley Park and elsewhere are on OldManRivers' talkpage, and include bits of other detail which might be useful for other articles, esp. in fact History of Vancouver.... Skookum1 06:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
If you have “no opinion” then why do you keep reverting back to an inaccurate version? I most certainly don’t want an edit war either - all I want is for the information to be accurate and displayed in an appropriate way. If you look at similar pages then you’ll see that by far the most common arrangement is for English cities to be listed with only the English flag, Scottish cities with only the Scottish flag and so on. Let’s leave it for a while with only the Scottish flag and if anyone objects - which appears to be your concern - then we can discuss as it happens. To not edit a page simply because you fear someone might object is no reason not to change it! Kanaye 20:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Please see [3] [4] re the best/preferred name for an article on Puget's Sound Agricultural Company (that's my own pref). Skookum1 00:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see Removal of Erik Bornmann protection and history at Erik Bornmann. Seems like I better get off my duff with that Riley Smyth thing, although "he" wasn't a new account anyway so the protect didn't affect "him". Between the block/AFD/sockpuppetry reports the whole page has quieted down...for now...but with the block lifted I'm expecting further trouble, unless EB's "friends" have decided to back off because of the public attention it was drawing to their efforts to screw with it.... Skookum1 00:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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Vancouver has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Jeffpw 11:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I think I'll step back from Vancouver's FAC. I fear this disruption will not help our FAC nomination. I have work that I've been putting off on the WikiProject Vancouver. I would really like to see our WikiProject find a more suitable format for organization as well as a refreshing new look. Good luck on the FAC and thank you for all your contributions. I've added a usertalk box to the top of your page, don't hestitate to remove it if you don't like it. I won't be offended =). Mkdw talk 23:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Saw your provision of citations for the Panama-Vancouver relationship, but I don't have JSTOR so can't ref them at all to see what they say. Did see your inline comment though and quite frankly it doesn't make much sense to me - why would Canadian grain have to go through Vancouver to get to Europe? Maybe freezing in the St. Lawrence I guess, but that's after harvest season. Why would grain/shipping prices to Europe via Vancouver-Panama be more economical than via Montreal? The Crow Rate also made it more costly, I think, to ship agricultural produce west, just as it did with manufactured goods. I'll quote here from a note I left Ds13 late last night, just before bed:
One item to add - 1914 brought Vancouver's economy to a screeching halt; I don't know about the port and I doubt that its importance as the shortest conduit between the Auld Sod and the British Orient and India was likely even more important - including for the shipment of troops to the fronts from India, as well as the hundred-odd thousand (or few hundred thousand??) Chinese coolies who were engaged by the government of France during that war (mentioned in Morley I think, and also here in Wiki on the relevant Paris section of Chinatown or on a Chinatown (France) page maybe); they were kept in quarantine in the port of Vancouver somewhere, then also at Petawawa (I think) before being shipped across the Atlantic. They weren't shipped via Panama, suggesting military/political reasons they weren't sent that way; but I can't see what it was that would be being shipped out of Vancouver that was more economical to ship via Panama than via the CPR; the "tea and silk trains" ran from the day the railhead opened and kept up that pace until after the end of the Empire; US railways couldn't compete for various reasons. I know, I know, find a cite.....you might also pls have a look at my comments about the lead paragraphs to the article which I left on Ds13's page after the Panama comments. Skookum1 01:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Further comment: as you can see by recent edits I've been trying to get the chronology straight in the history section; but I just got in from a film set after being up since 4:15 this morning so am gonna wiki-out as it's hard to get the textual/chronological fluidity running right; the danger in this section is that it becomes too long, and given my prolix style I probably should be over on the History of Vancouver page first, trying to get the missing-era outlines done, rather than trying to untangle the current pastiche on this page. I better sign off and lie down for a while before I zombie myself in front of the computer for the rest of the evening (btw the film was Battle in Seattle and looks to be "politically authentic"; sometime this coming week they're bringing up 1000 volunteer extras from Seattle to restage the whole shebang!)
Here's the original version. -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™/ ?! 18:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
From my understanding and what I had been told, the original people's list had been a list of articles created or articles contributed to by our WikiProject Members. While the original list may have 'booted' its articles off its list, I feel it would be a good idea to keep track of all our articles for many reasons. The first is that I would like to see many articles associated with our project to eventually become featured status, not just Vancouver. We won't be able to accomplish or keep that goal in mind if we remove all traces of our 'good articles'. Another good point is that It's handy to have a directory of Vancouver related articles for either research, interest, and scope. Not to mention everyone including our members will get to see all the work we do. The assessment team in our WikiProject are very backlogged. Reviewing an article is hard work and very time consuming. Also, our contributors are not relying on those rating systems nor the colaboration of the month in focusing their efforts. Quickly dividing those articles into three lists of quality allow for fast management of the lists as well as users to quickly see which articles are in dire need based upon category: people, arts and culture, etc. etc. Thanks for all your work by the way, I'm happy to see how far Vancouver has come. Mkdw talk 06:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for catching my oversight. - crz crztalk 00:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I got some help from a comp-sci friend of mine from UBC. He helped me do some of the tricky parts, but I had to do the rest first (like the rafters -- he helped with the seats). He used a program, but it's in the beta phase and he's not willing to release it though, so I can't help you there. -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™/ ?! 08:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I am relatively new to Wikipedia editing, and I wanted to say that I enjoyed our discussion on King, Granatstein and the Japanese internment; it was interesting and worthwhile. Most importantly it showed that intelligent discussion is possible on the internet. As for Granatstein and history, I agree with you (if I'm paraphrasing correctly) that we as Canadians do not need to minimize the mistakes we have made in order appreciate our success. Once again, thank you. Moomot 01:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
... for adding a plot summary to The Public Enemy. I would have done it myself but I'm bad enough at writing summaries on movies I have seen, let alone movies I haven't. Cbrown1023 03:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the notification. s d 3 1 4 1 5 final exams! 12:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
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Hi; you're the only other editor who commented on using the French version as "alternate name" in the box on the BC page; as alternate name I'd say it should be "Dogwood Province" or at best "Pacific Province", but this being English-language Wikipedia (and not a bilingual/bitextual Canadian version) I can't see any reason to include the French, and a lot of reasons not to; likewise in the first line of the article. The absurdity of it is heightened when you consider that we're expected to use accents in Montreal and Quebec now (which I don't) while CanFrench steadfastly refuses to even pronounce Vancover correctly (while snitting at us if we don't pronounce it in English as it is in French...); and while la fleuve Columbia is "Columbia River" in French, they're insistent that the area named for the Columbia is colombie (which no, historically, it wasn't). Rehashing old ground here, but wary of starting an edit war by replacing colombie-brittannique with an actual alternate English name ("God's Country", "Dogwood Province", "Pacific Province", "Bennett Country" being now out of date ;-) ). Skookum1 20:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
More thoughts on this: if the French is going to be there, it should have the definite article la colombie-brittanique (doesn't work without the la)...and technically it's also lower-case I think; having it in brackets and not used as if it was a phrase used in English (which is how it was before the brackets) helps take out some of its obtrusiveness; and as I pointed out, not that francophones who use it care, it's not an accurate or historically-correct translation anyway. And it's still not the "alternate name" of BC - that's the Dogwood Province/Pacific Province. Other provinces get off easy because they're untranslateable, or the French form resembles the English....except for one thing: that damned thing with the article. So if BC has to have a French-alternate form of its name, shouldn't that be applied across the board? So the Alberta page should have a first sentence set of brackets saying "Fr: l'Alberta", Saskatchewan would be le Saskatchewan, Manitoba le Manitoba, Ontario is l'Ontario. It's only fair isn't it that everybody else be subjected to officially-bilingual irrelevancies if BC has to be? Still can't understand why the Latin "Nova Scotia" has to get translated at all....and isn't PEI's "franco-correct" name actually Ile-Royale, not Ile de Prince-Edouard? They don't translate the names of Moose Jaw and Medicine Hat or Salmon Arm; why do they insist on doing it to "British Columbia"? I know the answer, and I can only think of how this sounds to those from east of the Granite Curtain: an reincarnation of Bill vanderZalm and the cornflakes boxes. But the Zalm had a point; not that he wanted to see Dutch instead (there are still more Dutch speakers in BC than there are francohpones, btw)... Skookum1 08:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to drop you a quick note to thank you on your article on W.W. Foster; I actually work for the Vancouver Police Museum and his family has recently provided us with several bits of additional information as well as some items from his eprson collection (including his sidearm, used in WWI and while a cop on the beat). If you ever do any other police related topics for Vancouver, let me know; I may have a bunch to contribute... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cognoscento ( talk • contribs) 22:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC).
You should consider joining the WikiProject for Films. Cbrown1023 22:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Bobanny, two things, first off your article on deadmans island is awesome, secondly I wanted to apologise for my remarks earlier about the east indian comment. It wasn't a very nice thing to say, I'm sorry I said it, and thanks for not holding it against me. I was just in a crappy mood that day. Sorry about that, it won't happen again. TotallyTempo 06:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Might as well ask you, since I just dropped by your Deadman's Island page and almost plunked a BC Wikiproject tag on its talk page, as I've been doing with other Vancouver project articles. Is this redundant? Most of us working on the BC project are also (so far) on the Vancouver Wikiproject; is there a hierarcy to be observed here, even though the BC project is more a child of the Vancouver one than the other way around?? Wondering if it constitutes "template clutter". Which of the project's talk pages would it maybe have been better to post this on, also; I'm not sure where the general message area is. Skookum1 08:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi; saw your change. Now let's just hope I got it in the right gender; instinctively the -ie ending is feminine, but not necessarily. I'll check over in le carnard enchaine to see if they capitalize it or not; probably do in titles, like in the infobox, but I'm not so sure about straight text. Now, do you think we should go ahead and add the French forms of Alberta, Saskatchewan, Yukon, Ontario, Manitoba? And while we're at it put "(English: Quebec)" (w/o the accent) in the first line of the Quebec article...oh that was premature; they have the English form first, and in the title, without the accent. Now if we can only get that procedure/model recognize for St'at'imc, Nuxalk and other First Nations articles where the name is in their language and spelling system, with characters such as accented vowels English doesn't have and all that superscript/subscript stuff that had been in Squamish Nation's evil twin Skwuxuxmesh or whatever it was...(see Talk:Squamish Nation and while you're at it check Talk:Kwakiutl and the corresponding Talk:Kwakwaka'wakw pages). Skookum1 09:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Dear Bobanny,
I noticed that you have a lot of experience with getting articles to FA status. I have been working on the Ohio Wesleyan University page article and am trying to get it to FA status. I was wondering if you could provide some advice on how the article can be improved? Also, any contributions to it will be even more appreciated! Thank you so much for your time! I greatly appreciate it! WikiprojectOWU 01:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Bobbany and Skokum - I believe my latest version is shorter, more precise, and more up to the point. It is not important to point out data that Stanley Park is 16th in the place. That's simply not true. I mean, the agency selected ugly Mexican park to be #1 in the world, and that park doesn't even have 1/3 of features and beauty of Stanley Park. The agency has discredited itself and we should not quote it. How can one put ugly, dirty, Mexican park on #1 place and Stanley Park on the 16th place? It's ridicolous. I strongly oppose information from discredited agencies to be included into Stanley Park article. I've been in Mexico and seen the ugly dirty park they selected as "#1 Park in the World", and it can't even be compared with our Stanley Park. Don't include that info, as by doing that - you are only insulting the most beautiful park in the Universe (Stanley Park!).
PS: Besides, three-revert rule applies within 24 hour period. Bosniak 06:39, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I can check but that picture was taken awhile ago. Mkdw talk 20:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi; I seem to be the only regular BC Wikipedian to take an an interest in this article; which has been edited and vetted by users with iP addresses in Ontario and Quebec (almost none from BC). Please see my response to User:IWin4U on Talk:BC Legislature Raids under "Article should be deleted" (which of course it shouldn't be). I don't know how to dig into the Wiki database to find out anything about User:IWin4U but I know it's possible to find out their IP address, and although my IP address locator is perty general I know there's others that can trace IWin4U down to a particular office. I'm very suspicious about the identity of many of the "contributors" to this page, and think we should have a POV watch or current-events tag placed on this article because of its importance on the one hand, and its volatility on the other. If you don't know how to do the IP address trace, pls refer me to someone who does. Skookum1 21:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Further on my talk page. Skookum1 10:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for your kind words. We are all trying our best to assume good faith and be civil I think. It's quite impressive. It does nothing to fight the stereotype that Canadians are polite! ;). There is always a bit of a conflict I think, about how deeply you can be involved in a dispute and use your admin tools. But I don't think this situation requires any call to a "higher power". You called it exactly right in you very first post to the talk page. It's not a content dispute. Therefore, we move on and edit. We get to work. Cheers. Dina 22:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
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The Law Enforcement Wikiproject wishes all it's members a happy New Year! SGGH 09:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC) |
I finally lost patience today. You're input would be valuable. Thanks. Dina 19:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Been looking for the discussion we had about what you found out about copyright and historical/archival photos/collections. Came up because User:KenWalker, who's up in Qualicum, is a laywer and interested in copyright law and he's got photos he'd like to add to. Could you get back to me with where the hell it was (on which talkpage) we talked about that on? Thanks. Oh, and Happy New Year. Skookum1 06:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
PS because you've read as much or more BC history as I have (although I get the impression more 20th C. than 19th) I'm coming to you first out of the BC Wikipedians (other than Mkdw, who's an admin SFAIK) about vandalism-deletes to History of Chinese immigration to Canada committed by User:HongQiGong, who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, or appreciate that the stuff he doesn't like is actually real and very citable and in all major BC historical works as well as throughout local histories in Lillooet, Yale, Barkerville et al. I won't go on except to refer you to [ [1]] for the paticulars and ask you to pay attention to this article; I had arrival and departure figures to add for the 19th C. (from Morton) as well as various other details, esp. concerning the gold rush and the economic profile of Chinese merchants/wealth in the colony/early province, but I see no point in adding material when an ethnic-POV vandal (who's habitually insulting, which gives his claim on my talk page that I'm into pesonal attacks all the more cutting a sense of...irony is it?) is just going to keep on deleting it. Skookum1 06:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)\
Thanks for your reply on my talkpage; I'll be avoiding doing anything, but just asked another friendly BC Wikipedian (who's Chinese) to help me with the material; I'd planned on writing very nice articles about the Chinatowns in Barkerville, Richfield, Lillooet, Omineca, Fort Ware, Cumberland and more; but there's lots of other more worthwhile things to do; I was trying to flesh out the gold rush section, which was pitiful and entirely incorrect when I found it. I've posted disengagement notices with Mkdw and on Hong's talkpage, and will do so if he adds another round of insults/snipes here; I learned my lesson about process, even though the process was wrong: Hong's breaking all kinds of rules, including 3RR as well as the harrassment stuff, so I'll deal with him the way things are supposed to be dealt with. I'll compile my cites and text on a sandbox page and maybe field them through you or my other contact (whose username I won't post here, as Hong is monitoring my User Contributions, it seems...) before posting them; they're all very interesting and worthwhile, and worthy encyclopedically as well as in other senses. Hong lives in Hong Kong, and quite honestly I don't think he cares or knows anything about Canada or BC except what he's been told...I have many vices, and it's true iconoclasty is definitely one of them...I get an overpowering sense of "needing to restore truth" when I see things that have been changed, or written, that are outright WRONG. Skookum1 08:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and thanks for the image/photo stuff. User:KenWalker said he had some other copyright law stuff he'd like to compare it to, so somewhere I guess we'll see him post his stuff, too. Skookum1 08:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
The Portal:Vancouver is undergoing a featured portal review. Sure would be nice to see you thoughts on it and perhaps help out. Cheers. Mkdw talk 16:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Just happened to see the Vancouver Portal's feature item on Deadman's Island and noticed this line:
Is that in Legends of Vancouver? I'm curious because if she said the Indian name she could well be meaning the Chinook version, which is the standard for any graveyard - Memaloose Illahee (there is no word for "island"; memaloose simply means dead, as well as dead men or dead anything). If it's Squamish language, I'd be curious to know what it is and of course it should be cited here (it's occurred to me to do a List of aboriginal placenames in Greater Vancouver so we could get Lucklucky, Eeyulshun, Mahlie, Snauq, Homulchesan etc all in the same place; would have to be a combination of Maj. Matthews/frontier spellings, official Squamish orthography, and IPA (as Wiki requires IPA for non-English stuff), but it's an interesting thought, no? Also meant to comment on something in the start of the history section of the main Vancouver article (or is it the BC article?) about the two "islands" mentioned by Capt. Vancouver; couldn't have been Deadman's Island as he couldn't see it from Qwhy-qwhy; all other interpretations of that text I've seen interpret it as meaning the downtown peninsula as the larger of the two islands, and Stanley Park in toto as the smaller one "in front of" the other; at that time tidal water could wash through the swamp connecting approx. Alexander & Columbia to Columbia & Pender...it's hard to wrap your head around now, but southern Strathcona used to be waterfront property - very nice waterfront property, apparently, until False Creek got filled in with rock from the blasting of the Fraser Canyon and Rockies.... Skookum1 03:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The cite on the page for the bit about Deadman's Island is Eric Nicol; I'm sure Matthews says something different, and also MacDonald (Vancouver: A Visual History, which I still have); I just got the Akriggs back from a loan to a friend ( http://www.fortlangley.ca which is the homesite for "Children of Fort Langley", an organization of HBC/First Nations/Kanaka descendants of employees/residents of the fort) and I suspect there's something in them (the Akriggs). I've just picked up from the Burnaby PL a book called People of the Harrison which has all kinds of juicy detail gleaned from (referenced) sources, and in the course of reading it I was reminded that memaloose can also mean "to kill" (I'm used to seeing that in the construction mamook memaloose - although the transitive auxiliary mamook meaning "do, make" was habitually omitted in spoken Chinook, which was famously laconic). The Harrison book has lots of nice details about the Chehalis and Scowlitz peoples as well as Harrison Mills and Port Douglas. Already have some books which are as yet un-mined for articles, e.g. Ghost Towns of British Columbia, but I picked up a few similar Dead and Drowned Towns of the West Kootenay, for instance (did you know there was a Brooklyn, BC?). Also fascinating stuff on the Scowlitz Mounds and the theorized pre-Sto:lo people who built them, and about their excavations by Charles Hill-Tout in the 1930s; there's new digs on them lately but I don't know the results..... Skookum1 05:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Happened to find this - Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians for local history - when I dropped by WikiProject Eastern Washington to get their template for Selkirk Mountains. Thought you might be interested! Skookum1 07:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I have a feeling that it was probably Joe Swan who borrowed the stuff from the Foster Family; he "wrote the book" on the history of the department and started the Police Museum; he passed away about 8 months ago, and may have still had alot of things in his possession... You might try tracking down his family. See you at the museum sometime. Cognoscento 20:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I know you haven't positioned yourself on this particular, um, affair, and are probably trying to stay non-involved, but in your capacity as a British Columbian please see the Erik Bornmann AFD] for my recent posts on it. It was extended as I had had an unfair block during most of its duration and the original decision to redirect was revoked so I could "testify". Please read all my posts and comments and also follow the links/cites provided. I am not asking you to make a vote, but I am fielding this around BC WikiProject people as it's the kind of thing we're also going to run into on everything from CasinoGate to Fantasy Gardens to Fastcats and more; even historical scandals and bios are soft-soaped often enough - it's just that this one is so blatant. I'm not partisan here - but I do feel that this is a test of Wikipedia's integrity (as well as of my patience). Skookum1 04:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Had a look at your sock report; not present in the AFD but in the article/talkpage's edit history are also User:Randy3 (12 edits to Erik Bornmann and its talkpage, one to Gordon Campbell [2]) and User:SaintNickIX 2 edits, both to Talk:Erik Bornmann and a few others found in the edit history maybe; one poster to the talkpage, Hammerhead he signs himself, has no account but he may be one of the IP address types also present in the edit history. User:JGGardiner does post on other subjects, all apparently - or nearly all, as he plopped something in Rachel Marsden also - to do with politicians, e.g. Harper, Volpe, Dion. Most disturbingly of all, however, which should be added to your sock report, is that rascalpatrol's sig on the AFD, and in the talkpage, doesn't go to User:rascalpatrol but rather to User:rascalpatorl (note difference in spelling - I noticed it originally which is how I wound up in my trouble from User talk:rascalpatrol - as I figured out how to get to his talk page - as it can't be gotten to unless you realize the spelling change). He must be hand-typing it in rather than using the four-tildes sig method, in which case it's a deliberate deception. The guy must like talking to himself if Randy3 and SaintNickIX are also him - they have little "conversations" on the talkpage together, as if they were different people. Skookum1 08:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Was looking for something in the edit history, and noted User:Riley Smyth ( contribs) - other than the two edits to create his userpage, only 18 edits, all to the Bornmann article and its talkpage. BUT, despite being an SPA, his edits are of the sort that rascalpatrol would immediately get rid of, such as anything to do with his infamous nickname "The Spiderman". He hasn't posted since Dec 21 so he may have given up on trying to put in information that was only going to get deleted anyway. There are various other SPAs on both pages, and on the Ledge Raids page (and Mark Marissen), but I gather you've done your legwork and checked out their various edits. I may check around the Ledge Raids page and the Marissen page to see "who else turns up", though....when I get up tomorrow morning, that is (2:10am). Skookum1 10:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. No doubt you've seen Omar Jack's latest post, and Rich_H's, attacking me. I know these guys are trying to bait me into getting blocked again, but it ain't gonna happen. I'm wondering what to do about Omar Jack's personal attack on me, to whit that I am one of the people charged in the case etc. Obviously a violation of Wikiquette - but is there much point in getting a sockpuppet blocked? Also, not sure which of the many possible arenas to file a complaint with Wikidom is, off the various possiblites on WP:ANI. That personal attacks are being made in the course of an AFD by the same "people" who made personal attacks throughout the history of the article/talkpage strikes me as very ugly; I think they've realized they can't wantonly delete other people's posts on the AFD, as they were doing so consistently in the article, so it seems that they're doing "attack for attack". I'm disengaging, except for my latest rejoinder to Omar Jack's complaint about the stubbornness of my principles; I'm sure everyone else, other than the sockpuppets, saw the irony in his bleat but being a Scorp and all....it's amazing that "people" who've posted under 10 times on Wikipedia each are presuming to lecture "us" on what is and isn't acceptable content. If Mr. Bornmann and his allies are worried about someone discrediting his credibility/character in advance of the trial, no one could be doing a better job of that than they are doing themselves by such behaviour. Anyway, your suggestions about what to do about personal-attack-by-sockpuppet; should I go WP:ANI or would these comments warrant mention on the Sockpuppet Notice/Discussion (which you'll note none of them have sought to say anything on, other than complaining about it on the AFD)? Skookum1 00:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi on a different topic; just in the process of trying to whip up a Userbox for WikiProject BC members, and may make a stab at certain templates I think are needed. I posted about this on the project's talkpage but I'm getting the feeling that no one else has that page on their watchlist, as I've never gotten a reply there to anything. Gonna use the province-shape-with-flag logo for the userbox, though I'd rather find a nice dogwood.... Skookum1 01:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Made a stab at a userbox; check 'er out: Template:User WikiProject British Columbia (use {{User WikiProject British Columbia}} ). Fudged around with the colours and borders for a while, tried to use colours taken from the dogwood but wound up blue-adjusting the background, not quite happy with the bkgnd colour but it's better than the grey-transparent on the Vancouver userbox. Trying to think which stubs are needed; I think one for mountain and moutain range stubs (there'll be hundreds of these...), though the dogwood won't do for that; could use it for parks stubs, though, no? There's already a protected area stub that has a thing from the US Southwest on it; might as well replace it with the dogwood (d'ya like the dogwood? It's from Wikimedia Commons...I thumbed it down though). Trying to remember which other stubs are needed....bio-stub I guess for biographies, I'm thinking one for communities/settlements, have to think what else. Suggestions? Skookum1 02:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Have a look at the templates section of the WikiProject; prob. will make some more before bed (mountains, rivers will be so numerous that it seems necessary; not sure about islands, which could keep the geo-stub ). Skookum1 09:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Just had a quick look at WP:ANI and, while the personal attacks thing re their saying I'm someone involved in the trial is a doozy, what caught my eye was WP:COI. Now, filing a complaint about this would mean fingering rascalpatrol as so-and-so, and now Tompettyfan as the other so-and-so, and you're not supposed to "out" people's real ID in Wikipedia. But admins, or someone, could confirm that they are who they're pretending not to be, as I doubt they were smart enough to sign up under "mask" email accounts, more probably under their own regular email addresses; but esp. with Tompettyfan it's very clear from his edits that he's a Liberal. And it's very clear that rascalpatrol is a Liberal. Seems like pretty clear WP:COI but it's not as if they are abiding by any other Wikipedia guidelines, so why start now, huh? I guess the forum is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard but I'm not sure if you have to be an admin to post there.
They're all chiming in on "delete" now, you'll notice, as I'd said that deleting the article would wipe the edit history. I don't think that's the case, as ultimately everything is archived somewhere, but it was interesting to say that and then watch them change their tune from "redirect" (and rascalpatrol's disigenuous "neutral") to "delete". Jammy Simpson contributes on comic books and sci-fi, by the look of his edit contribs (and Bavarian porn, whatever that is)..
Gotta actually go do some real life stuff....hunting around for a mountain-pic to use for the BritishColumbia-mountains-stub and replaced all the geo-stubs for communities/localities in the A and B sections of the geo-stub's category with the communities-stub (that's all so far). Also going to draft up a sandbox version of Dave Basi, and also one for EB; I'd post the link here but I don't know if you are, or I am, having my edit contributions watched. I'm not sure they're that smart about Wikitricks, maybe..... Skookum1 00:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Sigh. I was trying to be bold with my new stubs for the BC WikiProject, but I seem to have stepped on procedure/guidelines again; as per Grutness' on my talkpage so will be having to deal with the SFD in the next few days; apology, plus making requests to get them made. I didn't know the stuff about the geo-stubs being automatically inclusive of this or that and how it can't be subdivided for mountains etc.....but it seems to me that the reality of the BC landscape can't really be comprehended by "flatlanders", and the Wiki rule sets weren't made with situations like ours; I swear there are mountains than people in this province!! Even named peaks here outnumber those in WA, OR, ID and CA combined, and that's not including unnamed ones. Just named mountain ranges along number in the hundreds. Likewise, BC has more ghost towns than the rest of British Columbia put together, and that's not even including "phantom" towns (promotions that never materialized, or which vanished within a few weeks); and we've got hundreds of small rural Indian Reserves and also non-native localities which are distinct if tiny; couldn't be lumped into an article on town two valleys and fifty miles away, for example.... And the reason for the bio-stub I wanted is because our particular history is very much one of individuals - "characters" - (rather than classes, genders or ethnic groups, but there's that previous discussion of ours I never got back to!). Bios of guys like Volcanic Brown, Gustavus Blin Wright etc. - Gassy Jack and Ma Murray would fall into this category, if there articles weren't already not-stubs; I think I left Brother XII as a stub, even though it's got some content - it could use a lot more (if you don't know who he was, have a quick read...). In the pioneer era many of these guys can get the politician stub - Frank Barnard of the B.X. Express, or Forbes George Vernon. These were just guys who wound up as MLAs, MPs, just for a term or two; not professional pols; but because they got elected they get the politician stub. I'm not wanting everyone and everything to be a stub....I'm just aware of exactly how big the potential article infrastructure thing is for BC, given the complexity of our history, population and geography. Oh, speaking of which what did you think of the Local History WikiProject? And if you wouldn't mind, could you have a look at my comments on the Talkpage at Category:Scandinavian British Columbians? Skookum1 08:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your comments/actions at the Ecole Polytechnique Massacre page. I am grateful to have others that are willing to share in the reasoning and explaining (and reverting) duties! -- Slp1 20:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi; decided to move what I just wrote here to the WikiProject British Columbia talkpage for hopefully general discussion/input/awareness of its issues; don't mean to clutter up your talkpage with my rambles, either..... Skookum1 09:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi; started going through the BC political parties category, made it as far as A-E and also Y, but taking a break as it's a grind. Thought I'd better ask you to have a look at the text used; maybe it needs tweaking....or maybe it's wrong? Sample off the top of my head would be on Talk:British Columbia Unity Party. Suggest we draft something similar about WP:BIO, WP:BLP and especially WP:AUTO on all political biography pages, also. I would have posted this on the talkpage for the BC wikiproject but I don't know if any of the rest of the project have it on their watchlist.... Skookum1 01:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see Ongoing vandalism by sockpuppet at Erik Bornmann page at Proto's talkpage. Skookum1 02:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Also made the redirect for Rock Creek War, since there wasn't a point in two articles (as there is with Fraser Canyon Gold Rush and Fraser Canyon War). Nice to write about something other than, well, you know....enjoy, and please add anything or fix anything that seems fitting. Unlike r.p. and friends, I don't have a problem with other people editing my Wiki contributions.... Skookum1 10:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see this. Skookum1 19:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Bobanny, I just wanted to thank you for your continuous dedication to the Vancouver Portal and the WikiProject Vancouver, as well as its relating articles. Thank you also for supporting my changes to the project, together, along with the other contributors we have accomplished much in the last couple of months. Its nice to have a friend. Mkdw talk 06:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah you're right Bobanny, in my growing frustration I didn't notice all the other users who are helping with the issue, thanks for your message. I agree with the idea of leaving him alone and just tagging him as he vandalises. I just hope he stops leaving messages on my talk page before I Kettlise him, which is what I'm worried about. SGGH 21:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm on my agenda of trying to get outlines of all BC's gold rushes done, paving the way for various ghost towns and historical/geo-region articles and other stuff. So please check out Big Bend Gold Rush, which I just winged it on; still have to check dates and get more exact locations, earnings, nos. of men etc but it's a start; someone else might want to review it, although I gave it ratings when I put in the BC Wikiproject template, which as the author I shouldn't do. Touch-ups on the article welcome of course. Probably doing the Omineca Gold Rush next, but I've been saying that for two weeks...and also a list of ship-stubs for inland and saltwater steamers/ships....holding my breath on stomaching the checkuser I guess, trying to not write anything that makes me p'd off - ;-) - and I am a Scorpio, moon in Taurus after all - so doing my history stuff instead, and puttering about the mountain range articles and maps ;=} And at some point there's a bit about Lady Jane Franklin cavorting in Yale for almost a year that's worth the telling/documenting.... Skookum1 01:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi; although I know you own Morley I wanted to let you know I served up some on User talk:OldManRivers as he was interested in a certain passage to do with Moody's freeing of slaves as part of the land-survey of Burrard Inlet that was conducted by Moberley and Burnaby, with themselves and Moody and Admiral Baynes being the chief benefactors; one of the dirtiest colonial-era scandals, to be sure, but no newspapers around so no handy title to use for an article (the allocations were reversed due to obvious conflict-of-interest, with colonial politicians denoucning the "military clique" that had taken prime land for itself, by dint of Moody's sweeping powers as, jointly, head of the military in the colony, Commissioner/Minister of Public Works, and also Minister/Commissioner of Lands, i.e. responsible for the first land law, which is what these surveys were in fact the first application of, overturned as they were; but that and some details about First Nations in Stanley Park and elsewhere are on OldManRivers' talkpage, and include bits of other detail which might be useful for other articles, esp. in fact History of Vancouver.... Skookum1 06:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
If you have “no opinion” then why do you keep reverting back to an inaccurate version? I most certainly don’t want an edit war either - all I want is for the information to be accurate and displayed in an appropriate way. If you look at similar pages then you’ll see that by far the most common arrangement is for English cities to be listed with only the English flag, Scottish cities with only the Scottish flag and so on. Let’s leave it for a while with only the Scottish flag and if anyone objects - which appears to be your concern - then we can discuss as it happens. To not edit a page simply because you fear someone might object is no reason not to change it! Kanaye 20:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Please see [3] [4] re the best/preferred name for an article on Puget's Sound Agricultural Company (that's my own pref). Skookum1 00:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see Removal of Erik Bornmann protection and history at Erik Bornmann. Seems like I better get off my duff with that Riley Smyth thing, although "he" wasn't a new account anyway so the protect didn't affect "him". Between the block/AFD/sockpuppetry reports the whole page has quieted down...for now...but with the block lifted I'm expecting further trouble, unless EB's "friends" have decided to back off because of the public attention it was drawing to their efforts to screw with it.... Skookum1 00:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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