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Racists abound on Wikipedia, much to my chagrin, as do quacks and all manner of other proponents of wanton stupidity. If that statement ever prevents me from becoming a bureaucrat, I'll count it as further undeniable proof thereof. People pontificate and pontificate, and usually those who know what they're talking about give up in disgust long before those who clearly haven't the foggiest notion whereof they speak, do so. This can clearly be seen in what is currently going on in the endless moronic discussion on Talk:Persian Jews where idiots are arguing, with seemingly boundless energy, unfettered by rational thought or the faintest clue what they're talking about, that "Persian Jews" means "Jews who presently live in Iran". I'll look into your request and try to weigh in with a few words of intelligent thought, but I offer no guarantee that they'll be received at all [more likely they'll be completely ignored by the warring ignorami as my input on Talk:Persian Jews has been...] Cheerfully, but disgustedly, in as good of spirits as that can leave either of us, yours, Tom e r talk 07:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, it was brought to my attention that you had posted the same message to a large number of user pages regarding the POV dispute on Persian people. I will try and explain how these sorts of disputes are usually resolved so that you can better understand the processes we have in place. First the talk page on the individual article is the first place you should go if you have a dispute about something that pertains to that article specifically, as this does. This may sometimes seem slow, as you will very often have to wait a number of days for a full response. This is normal, and you shouldn't escalate the situation just because no one responds in a few hours for example.
If you are dealing with an article that gets little or no attention, or you are in an argument that you think needs a few more voices use Wikipedia:Requests for comment. This is a centralized place for people to see situations that might need further input. The point of both of these processes is to have the information on the page in which it is most relevant. While it might seem like a fast solution to leave a message on 50 people's talk page, it's not looked upon well by the community because it decentralizes the discussion to which everyone might want to be a contributor. For example what if 30 of those people start having conversations with you on their talk page, that quickly becomes unmanageable. I hope I have explained the reasoning behind how these things are usually done. I'm going to go ahead and revert the messages, you should probably list your arguments on Talk:Persian people if you haven't already. If you want to read more about it have a look at the spamming page. If you have any other questions let me know. - cohesion 08:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Mass spamming talk pages is unacceptable, end of story. -- Cyde Weys 04:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
InShaneee, you persist in misrepresenting things...not only are you presenting a guideline as though it were a policy, you're accusing Aucaman of instructing people on what to do on an article, as well as of vote stacking. If you'd take half the time you spend making these fallacious statements and spend it actually looking into what has happened, you wouldn't be saying the things you are, unless your reason for doing so is in order to avoid admitting that you have erred, eggregiously. There is no vote, so there can be no "vote stacking". Aucaman didn't tell anyone what to do, he requested input from other editors. Simplest way to say it is simply this: You are wrong, and until you demonstrate that you've actually taken the time to examine the facts of the case, nothing you say is of any relevance to this incident in particular. Tom e r talk 01:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I am one of the recipients of these messages. I'm guessing it's because I've edited some pages on ethnic groups (though no specific reason was given, so it's hard to tell). I don't believe that Aucaman should have dropped this message on a whole lot of people's talk pages: Firstly, the message itself is biased, and intended to bias the reader, and secondly, the link is to the page itself, not to a discussion. I think that a brief, unbiased mention of the RfC page, would have been far more appropriate. - Kieran 11:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I've changed it to a redirect to Sumka who have a similar name in English and are much better known. If this other group eventually proves to be more than just a couple of guys it can always be restored so there's probably no need for a deletion listing. Keresaspa 16:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I've warned the user to be more civil about this. Let me know if he continues to be abusive. -- InShaneee 20:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I'll have a look into it tomorrow (it is 4:05 AM here). Aucaman, a question, you don't need to answer if you don't like. I guess you are either persian or Turk. Are you persian too? Again, you don't need to answer if you don't like. Thanks -- Aminz 11:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Pas salam! Man fekr konam ke man hatman hade'aksar shoma rou ba yek vasete mishnasam (choon riyazi mikhoonin). Ehtemal ham dareh ke hamdigaro beshnasim. khoob, dar zamineye controversy midoonin ke iraniya nejad parastan va baghiyeye donya rou adam hesab nemiyaran ;) . man hatman farda yek negahi be maghale mindazam. Shad bashin. Amin -- Aminz 11:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Man yek kam konjkav boodam ke ki shoma rou mikhad az edit kardan mamnooe koneh, in comment az shoma rou didam : "payande IRAN! hala boro kashketo besab. mordeparast. bisavade aghaboftade. koorosh kabiretam be joz ye bisavade adamkosh bish nabood. hadaghal oon ozresh movajahe. vali to....??? mozdooram babate"
Man nemidoonam ghaziyeh chiyeh, valy rastesh khandam gerefteh bood choon shoma nafare avaly ba'ade khodam hastin ke shenidam migeh koorosh adamkosh boodeh. Hala bisavad boodaneshoo nemidoonam valy ehtemalan mikhi mitooneste benevise. Valy begzarim az in harfa, fekr konam ke ba standarde yek zaman nabayad adamaye zamane digeh rou ghezavat kard. shad bashin -- Aminz 11:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I am with you. Saying Persians "are descendents of Aryans" is POV since there are lots of Jews, Kurds, Arabs that are 100% Iranian. We should not write a sentence that excludes other groups of Iranian. I see the article is locked otherwise I would have removed the word "descendents" from there. I have seen lots of injustice on the minority groups through history in Iran which I can do nothing about but here at least in wikipedia I maybe able to do something. I'll join discussion there soon. -- Aminz 21:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Aucaman, can you please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Dhimmi&diff=51648639&oldid=51615364
The fact tag was added to intro since in Farhansher's edit, the literal meaning of "Dhimmi" was "protected" and in Pecher's was "tutelage". This was reflected in my edit summaries. Pecher removed this.
"Dhimmis were guaranteed their personal safety and security of property, in return for paying a special capitation tax known as the jizya and accepting various restrictions and legal disabilities. "
was changed to
"Dhimmis were guaranteed their personal safety and security of property. They had to pay a special capitation tax known as the jizya and accepting various restrictions and legal disabilities. "
Because if one looks closely, he could see an implicit unsourced (p => q) in the first sentence. Again this was reflected in my edit summaries.
Section title "==== Aleged Humiliation of dhimmis====" vs "==== Humiliation of dhimmis===="
The sub-titles should not pursuade the reader to any position as the title of the articles should not. Readers can read the text and end up in whatever conclusion they want.
I added the fact tag was added to "Islamic law stipulates that dhimmis must be belittled for their rejection of Islam; humiliating them was an act of piety, a fulfillment of divine will" since it talks about "Islamic Law". We have 5 schools of Islamic Laws. This sentence is general and unreferenced.
Could you please help us in this controversy.
Thanks, -- Aminz 09:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Salam Aucuman, You are the first(?), no second persian I meet here. Nice to meet you!
Due to my final exams, I will be away from Wikipedia for around two weeks or so. Please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Aucaman/Proposed_decision . My comment is the last one.
Also, I had a conversation with khoikhoi that you may want to have a look at: It is in his/her talk page and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aminz#Hi
Okay. Movazebe khodet bash.
Ghorbanet,-- Aminz 08:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I saw your comment at Node's userpage and I took a look at the Persian people article myself. I think it would be best to say "the linguistic descendants of..." etc. We don't have enough DNA evidence yet, but I would guess the bulk of the people in the area descended from people who arrived in earlier migrations: there was probably a significant volkwanderung that left its own DNA signature, but the primary contribution of the Indo-Aryan migrants was language and culture not physical features. It's not an "outdated racist" theory to think otherwise, however - it's just racist. The debate has been going on sometime - I'll reproduce one of the quotes from my userpage here:
Old Max's dolichocephalic bones have been buried for quite some time, but some people still don't get it. -- Jpbrenna 19:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
This arbitration case is now closed and the decision is published.
For the Arbitration Committee. --14:52, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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I answered your query myself, but I've also put the query onto the "clarifications" section of the requests for arbitration page [2]. If any arbitrators want to, they can add their own opinions. -- Tony Sidaway 17:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Essjay has confirmed that you used Gadolam ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) to evade the ban on editing articles related to Iran and the Persians imposed in remedy 1 of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman [3].
Your Gadolam sock has been blocked indefinitely. I am blocking you for one week under the provisions of remedy 1.
Please don't do this again. If you do, you will be detected and you will be stopped. After five blocks, the maximum block period will rise to one year. That's one year block, at the discretion of a single adminstrator acting reasonably, each time you edit an article related to Iran or the Persians.
If an error has been made you can appeal to the arbitration committee or directly to Jimbo Wales. The email addresses of the arbitrators are on Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee and Jimbo's email address in on his user page User:Jimbo Wales. -- Tony Sidaway 22:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
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A while ago, you asked me to give my opinion on the Aryan/Persian discussion. (I don't log in frequently anymore.) I'm afraid I'm in over-my-head and would not be helpful in such a discussion. Sorry!
-- DanKeshet 01:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.
As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.
Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, — Cel es tianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
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RE: Our discussion about the Iranian National Socialist Party entry here in which we agreed to make it into a redirect to SUMKA. I'm not sure if you've seen this or not but I notice that someone has restored it to an entry, with some weeping POV statements. Just wanted to bring this to your attention and to let you know that if you wish to proceed with your original of nominating it for deletion then I wont be opposed. Keresaspa 17:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello Aucaman. Could you please leave a comment here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Enemy_of_Islam? ellol 07:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Mardavich thinks that I am you: [4] [5]. The Behnam 09:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
How do I add a comment to the sharia discussion page? My comments do not post in a separate section. FOA 20:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
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This is a good place to leave me a message. If you rather discuss things in private you can e-mail me. -- Aucaman 12:21, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
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Racists abound on Wikipedia, much to my chagrin, as do quacks and all manner of other proponents of wanton stupidity. If that statement ever prevents me from becoming a bureaucrat, I'll count it as further undeniable proof thereof. People pontificate and pontificate, and usually those who know what they're talking about give up in disgust long before those who clearly haven't the foggiest notion whereof they speak, do so. This can clearly be seen in what is currently going on in the endless moronic discussion on Talk:Persian Jews where idiots are arguing, with seemingly boundless energy, unfettered by rational thought or the faintest clue what they're talking about, that "Persian Jews" means "Jews who presently live in Iran". I'll look into your request and try to weigh in with a few words of intelligent thought, but I offer no guarantee that they'll be received at all [more likely they'll be completely ignored by the warring ignorami as my input on Talk:Persian Jews has been...] Cheerfully, but disgustedly, in as good of spirits as that can leave either of us, yours, Tom e r talk 07:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, it was brought to my attention that you had posted the same message to a large number of user pages regarding the POV dispute on Persian people. I will try and explain how these sorts of disputes are usually resolved so that you can better understand the processes we have in place. First the talk page on the individual article is the first place you should go if you have a dispute about something that pertains to that article specifically, as this does. This may sometimes seem slow, as you will very often have to wait a number of days for a full response. This is normal, and you shouldn't escalate the situation just because no one responds in a few hours for example.
If you are dealing with an article that gets little or no attention, or you are in an argument that you think needs a few more voices use Wikipedia:Requests for comment. This is a centralized place for people to see situations that might need further input. The point of both of these processes is to have the information on the page in which it is most relevant. While it might seem like a fast solution to leave a message on 50 people's talk page, it's not looked upon well by the community because it decentralizes the discussion to which everyone might want to be a contributor. For example what if 30 of those people start having conversations with you on their talk page, that quickly becomes unmanageable. I hope I have explained the reasoning behind how these things are usually done. I'm going to go ahead and revert the messages, you should probably list your arguments on Talk:Persian people if you haven't already. If you want to read more about it have a look at the spamming page. If you have any other questions let me know. - cohesion 08:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Mass spamming talk pages is unacceptable, end of story. -- Cyde Weys 04:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
InShaneee, you persist in misrepresenting things...not only are you presenting a guideline as though it were a policy, you're accusing Aucaman of instructing people on what to do on an article, as well as of vote stacking. If you'd take half the time you spend making these fallacious statements and spend it actually looking into what has happened, you wouldn't be saying the things you are, unless your reason for doing so is in order to avoid admitting that you have erred, eggregiously. There is no vote, so there can be no "vote stacking". Aucaman didn't tell anyone what to do, he requested input from other editors. Simplest way to say it is simply this: You are wrong, and until you demonstrate that you've actually taken the time to examine the facts of the case, nothing you say is of any relevance to this incident in particular. Tom e r talk 01:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I am one of the recipients of these messages. I'm guessing it's because I've edited some pages on ethnic groups (though no specific reason was given, so it's hard to tell). I don't believe that Aucaman should have dropped this message on a whole lot of people's talk pages: Firstly, the message itself is biased, and intended to bias the reader, and secondly, the link is to the page itself, not to a discussion. I think that a brief, unbiased mention of the RfC page, would have been far more appropriate. - Kieran 11:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I've changed it to a redirect to Sumka who have a similar name in English and are much better known. If this other group eventually proves to be more than just a couple of guys it can always be restored so there's probably no need for a deletion listing. Keresaspa 16:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I've warned the user to be more civil about this. Let me know if he continues to be abusive. -- InShaneee 20:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I'll have a look into it tomorrow (it is 4:05 AM here). Aucaman, a question, you don't need to answer if you don't like. I guess you are either persian or Turk. Are you persian too? Again, you don't need to answer if you don't like. Thanks -- Aminz 11:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Pas salam! Man fekr konam ke man hatman hade'aksar shoma rou ba yek vasete mishnasam (choon riyazi mikhoonin). Ehtemal ham dareh ke hamdigaro beshnasim. khoob, dar zamineye controversy midoonin ke iraniya nejad parastan va baghiyeye donya rou adam hesab nemiyaran ;) . man hatman farda yek negahi be maghale mindazam. Shad bashin. Amin -- Aminz 11:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Man yek kam konjkav boodam ke ki shoma rou mikhad az edit kardan mamnooe koneh, in comment az shoma rou didam : "payande IRAN! hala boro kashketo besab. mordeparast. bisavade aghaboftade. koorosh kabiretam be joz ye bisavade adamkosh bish nabood. hadaghal oon ozresh movajahe. vali to....??? mozdooram babate"
Man nemidoonam ghaziyeh chiyeh, valy rastesh khandam gerefteh bood choon shoma nafare avaly ba'ade khodam hastin ke shenidam migeh koorosh adamkosh boodeh. Hala bisavad boodaneshoo nemidoonam valy ehtemalan mikhi mitooneste benevise. Valy begzarim az in harfa, fekr konam ke ba standarde yek zaman nabayad adamaye zamane digeh rou ghezavat kard. shad bashin -- Aminz 11:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I am with you. Saying Persians "are descendents of Aryans" is POV since there are lots of Jews, Kurds, Arabs that are 100% Iranian. We should not write a sentence that excludes other groups of Iranian. I see the article is locked otherwise I would have removed the word "descendents" from there. I have seen lots of injustice on the minority groups through history in Iran which I can do nothing about but here at least in wikipedia I maybe able to do something. I'll join discussion there soon. -- Aminz 21:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Aucaman, can you please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Dhimmi&diff=51648639&oldid=51615364
The fact tag was added to intro since in Farhansher's edit, the literal meaning of "Dhimmi" was "protected" and in Pecher's was "tutelage". This was reflected in my edit summaries. Pecher removed this.
"Dhimmis were guaranteed their personal safety and security of property, in return for paying a special capitation tax known as the jizya and accepting various restrictions and legal disabilities. "
was changed to
"Dhimmis were guaranteed their personal safety and security of property. They had to pay a special capitation tax known as the jizya and accepting various restrictions and legal disabilities. "
Because if one looks closely, he could see an implicit unsourced (p => q) in the first sentence. Again this was reflected in my edit summaries.
Section title "==== Aleged Humiliation of dhimmis====" vs "==== Humiliation of dhimmis===="
The sub-titles should not pursuade the reader to any position as the title of the articles should not. Readers can read the text and end up in whatever conclusion they want.
I added the fact tag was added to "Islamic law stipulates that dhimmis must be belittled for their rejection of Islam; humiliating them was an act of piety, a fulfillment of divine will" since it talks about "Islamic Law". We have 5 schools of Islamic Laws. This sentence is general and unreferenced.
Could you please help us in this controversy.
Thanks, -- Aminz 09:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Salam Aucuman, You are the first(?), no second persian I meet here. Nice to meet you!
Due to my final exams, I will be away from Wikipedia for around two weeks or so. Please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Aucaman/Proposed_decision . My comment is the last one.
Also, I had a conversation with khoikhoi that you may want to have a look at: It is in his/her talk page and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aminz#Hi
Okay. Movazebe khodet bash.
Ghorbanet,-- Aminz 08:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I saw your comment at Node's userpage and I took a look at the Persian people article myself. I think it would be best to say "the linguistic descendants of..." etc. We don't have enough DNA evidence yet, but I would guess the bulk of the people in the area descended from people who arrived in earlier migrations: there was probably a significant volkwanderung that left its own DNA signature, but the primary contribution of the Indo-Aryan migrants was language and culture not physical features. It's not an "outdated racist" theory to think otherwise, however - it's just racist. The debate has been going on sometime - I'll reproduce one of the quotes from my userpage here:
Old Max's dolichocephalic bones have been buried for quite some time, but some people still don't get it. -- Jpbrenna 19:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
This arbitration case is now closed and the decision is published.
For the Arbitration Committee. --14:52, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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I answered your query myself, but I've also put the query onto the "clarifications" section of the requests for arbitration page [2]. If any arbitrators want to, they can add their own opinions. -- Tony Sidaway 17:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Essjay has confirmed that you used Gadolam ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) to evade the ban on editing articles related to Iran and the Persians imposed in remedy 1 of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman [3].
Your Gadolam sock has been blocked indefinitely. I am blocking you for one week under the provisions of remedy 1.
Please don't do this again. If you do, you will be detected and you will be stopped. After five blocks, the maximum block period will rise to one year. That's one year block, at the discretion of a single adminstrator acting reasonably, each time you edit an article related to Iran or the Persians.
If an error has been made you can appeal to the arbitration committee or directly to Jimbo Wales. The email addresses of the arbitrators are on Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee and Jimbo's email address in on his user page User:Jimbo Wales. -- Tony Sidaway 22:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
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A while ago, you asked me to give my opinion on the Aryan/Persian discussion. (I don't log in frequently anymore.) I'm afraid I'm in over-my-head and would not be helpful in such a discussion. Sorry!
-- DanKeshet 01:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.
As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.
Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, — Cel es tianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I am having some dificulties with my user page, can you help. I want the small box on the top of the page to small so the Userbox and box don't overlap. I want the writing .to be a light green colour So If you do that I would be extremely grateful Thanks
--Abdullah Geelah 20:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
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RE: Our discussion about the Iranian National Socialist Party entry here in which we agreed to make it into a redirect to SUMKA. I'm not sure if you've seen this or not but I notice that someone has restored it to an entry, with some weeping POV statements. Just wanted to bring this to your attention and to let you know that if you wish to proceed with your original of nominating it for deletion then I wont be opposed. Keresaspa 17:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello Aucaman. Could you please leave a comment here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Enemy_of_Islam? ellol 07:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Mardavich thinks that I am you: [4] [5]. The Behnam 09:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
How do I add a comment to the sharia discussion page? My comments do not post in a separate section. FOA 20:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
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