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I'm sort-of back, though I don't know for how long. Figured you'd want to know, since you seemed worried at talk that something may have happened to me. Nothing did, I just got really sick of WP and un-bookmarked it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
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Hello! Tryptofish has given you some delicious kale to go along with whatever else you have! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else some delicious kale! Enjoy! -- Tryptofish ( talk) 18:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC) |
Please discuss in talk instead of continuing to edit information that is clearly contentious. I'll start a section. (And I'll try to invite the unregistered editor also involved but his or her IP address changes sometimes so I don't know if he or she will see my message.) ElKevbo ( talk) 14:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Hey Atsme, I just caught up on some of what has happened the past couple of days with the ARCA case and all. I just wanted to extend my condolences for the stress and lost sleep you experienced. I've lost a good deal of sleep myself over Wikipedia disputes and it's not fun. I realize a lot of it is probably coming across as being very personal. From my perspective it's not, and the most personal thing that MrX said was mostly complimentary:
Atsme seems to be a warm and affable person who is rarely uncivil, and who I believe is sincere in her participation in the project. She has made some outstanding contributions to building the encyclopedia in areas outside of American politics, and I have great respect for her for that. It seems though that she has an ideological blind spot which affects her objectivity, and manifests as large amounts of low signal-to-noise ratio commentary.
Anyway I know the topic ban hurts and I'm not trying to minimize that. But I encourage you to first, take some time to disengage, lower your stress level, and catch up on your sleep. Then when you're ready, review the complaint itself and identify what the problems were and you can do better to fix those problems in the future (assuming you want to appeal the topic ban at some point). I don't recommend trying to desysop Bishonen as I believe I saw some people suggesting you should. Bishonen's action was perfectly legal and defensible, and I can imagine myself having done something very similar myself if I had been reviewing the complaint. Anyway, not trying to pour salt in a fresh wound, just trying to dissuade you from following bad advice. Good luck and take care! ~ Awilley ( talk) 05:09, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
-- Cameron11598 (Talk) 21:52, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Can the notification bots be turned off or modified? I never had them myself. Wouldn't want you to get tripped up into doing something naughty.-- MONGO ( talk) 04:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
I noticed a now-archived thread about how to get rid of bot notices on one's talk page, and I can point out another method that can be used for instances where one cannot simply take one's name off of a list. By using {{ bots}}, particularly with its allow or deny parameters, there is a lot of flexibility about what you can exclude. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 16:17, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
More turbulence and a much bigger issue than paywalls....
It makes me think back to Project Accuracy, and the involvement of academia....the latter of which helps clear the way for WP as an "educational resource" but doing so would conflict with our allowance of commercial use and basically annuls the fair use educational exemption. "Commercial use" appears to be the primary flaw; i.e., the fact that Google and other commercial entities are allowed to use it in a capitalistic manner. Having said that, I will add that we don't know what part "commercial use" plays in WP's success (via donations), but in light of recent developments, it appears to be more of a liability than an asset. Atsme 📞 📧 21:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia should've gone on strike to protest it. You know, like they did with the SOPA blackout. SNAAAAKE!! ( talk) 21:26, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
You made some good points over on commons with respect to the reach of their copyright discussions. Honestly, I think commons should keep a couple of copyright lawyers on hand to help out in these situations. Right now, the level of ignorance of copyright law I see in editors making vociferous claims about copyright is staggering. And I'm by no means an expert myself. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:43, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
-- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 02:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
-Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 02:17, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Couldn't leave all that blank space, so I'll start a discussion here. I'm sure my ( talk page stalker) will think of something to add. Atsme 📞 📧 19:07, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
A file that you uploaded or altered,
File:Frog smile.gif, has been listed at
Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the
discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. —
innotata
08:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Hey, I just saw your appeal and wanted to offer a bit of advice. You are making your appeal about the conduct of other people. It needs to be about you. Do you understand why people thought you should be topic banned? What was the problem, in your own words? What specifically have you done to remedy the problem? That kind of stuff. ~ Awilley ( talk) 19:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Not sure what you want me to do here; you asked me a question, then archived the section. Let me know if you still want me to explain here. Otherwise, just delete this and I'll get the message. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 14:32, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Atsme, the Arbitration Committee has closed your appeal at ARCA as withdrawn and it has been archived here.
Since you have withdrawn your appeal, the Committee has decided that you may appeal again in six months. If your appeal is based on the validity of the sanction, it must be made at ARCA. If your appeal is based on the sanction no longer being necessary, it may be made at AE, AN, or ARCA.
For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 21:41, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
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Karma needs help sometimes... |
Smudge away the negativity and maybe karma will visit more expediently. Worth a try, right?! -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 22:35, 11 August 2018 (UTC) |
Thank you, Winkelvi - the sage reminded me of Wednesday night's episode of Yellowstone. It's bizarre how closely I can relate to that series - I provided the cattle and helped the director with the cutting horse scenes for Dallas (1978 TV series) - yet at the same time, I can relate equally to The Sopranos, Sea Hunt, and The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau. What a roller coaster ride my life has been, but based on what I've seen on your user page, my life has to be a big yawn for you. Thank you for your service, sir. My nephew was career Navy - Chief Petty Officer with the Admiral's Fleet. Atsme 📞 📧 23:09, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
(reposting from archives since I can't undo the edit)
Atsme, I noticed this post of yours with surprise. The venue, "New pages patrol", is not exactly the natural port of call for questioning articles that are over a year old, for a start. You obviously found those articles, all created by Snooganssnoogans, through either my contributions [1] [2] or Winkelvi's, [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] and decided to "help". If I see you mounting a two-pronged attack along with Winkelvi again, for the purpose of supporting him in distressing an editor he doesn't like (or whatever the problem is — I don't know why Winkelvi has it in so for Snooganssnoogans), I will block you both for harassment. I understand that you're not in a good place atm, I sympathize up to a point, but you don't get to relieve your feelings by persecuting others, or by bolstering Winkelvi's persecution, under cover of an innocent-sounding inquiry. Try smudging away the negativity. Bishonen | talk 11:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC).
Responding to
this, which got archived as I was trying to write a comment, Atsme probably saw themselves as just lending a helping hand to a friend, and helping "Karma" out along the way. Unfortunately that was also engaging in the kind of tribalism that admins like Bishonen are sick of seeing every day on Wikipedia. Bishonen was correct in asking you to stop, and there were no "aspersions" in Bishonen's statement, which included evidence. Speaking of "aspersions" it's probably not a good idea to accuse Bishonen of being an "involved admin" without evidence. Asking an admin not to post on your talk page can't prevent them from interacting with you here in an administrative capacity. If you really think you have a case of involved admin abuse the proper forum is Arbcom. (I'm not recommending that course of action for you based on the quality of evidence you submitted to them last week.) That's all. ~
Awilley (
talk)
16:37, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
"The fact that my questions to an arb have remained unanswered speaks volumes about the whole process."Oh FGS. No, the fact that Newyorkbrad hasn't replied to your question doesn't speak any volumes, or speak above a whisper at all. NYB doesn't edit that frequently. Nobody's obliged to go online and edit Wikipedia more frequently than they want to, or than their other obligations in life permit. Why don't you check a person's contributions before you talk like that? Are you actively working on becoming impossible to take seriously? One would think so, from the way you threw a thesaurus at me above, in preference to engaging with anything I'd said. Though I liked the "you have distressed me beyond reproach" bit. Shouldn't that be a good thing? Bishonen | talk 21:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC).
I looked up the meaning of CYA – and got a laugh out of it! -- Tryptofish ( talk) 20:26, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Ole Thunderbritches has bought you a pint! Sharing a pint is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work. Spread the WikiLove by buying someone else a pint, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements. Cheers!
ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:47, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Cheers!!!
Atsme
📞
📧
13:50, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Also Knights of the Round Table which where I mostly just merged 17 small articles. -- SNAAAAKE!! ( talk) 18:49, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I mean, Knights is more like a stub and I just wanted it copyedited, and most of all Breunor's section as tagged. Actually would like to see what needs references or expansions/clarifications too, as separate articles they've been not actually worked on since the 2000s and I only worked on them just to a limited degree now. -- SNAAAAKE!! ( talk) 05:53, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for taking time to explain current issues with lifer admins, and thanks for closing discussion with Jimbo before more admins circled in to disrespect any users who might agree with your research. I think the environment is worse than ever, so it was an awakening to see Jimbo unaware of the admin problems today. Now more than ever, I realize "we are Wikipedia" and what we accomplish is all that will be done in this era.
If Wikipedia dwindles due to lack of modern leadership, then what will matter is the quality of the vital articles; and no end-game archive-pedia will have the stomach to maintain +5 million articles on "cruft" info-mush, as if people would want 5,000 articles on racehorses who only finished in 7th place. Beyond the proposed 50,000 Level-5 wp:VITAL articles, perhaps only 200,000 pages could be expected to matter, and we must focus on vital articles because few people have that vision to avoid the endless distractions of minor pages.
For example, before cars and trucks, transportation was provided by horses, donkeys, burrows, oxen, or dogsleds (etc.), and two hundred vital pages could be expanded also about wagons, carriages, stagecoaches, pony express, plows, grist mills, etc. Many people would likely read a page about " Race horse training methods" or comparisons of Man o' War with Secretariat, or explain Seabiscuit trained by punishment/reward system, etc. So the idea is to try to avoid relatively minor pages. - Wikid77 ( talk) 04:34, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Just recently, the developers have installed a weave merge for the diff action, and now we can move paragraphs across a page up/down over 20 paragraphs away, and the weave-diff will still show which words have changed, even when a paragraph is moved. It is getting harder for hack-edits to hide when text is moved, and the vandalism patrollers can pinpoint false text when inserted inside large paragraphs, as to directly revert false data. For example, someone could alter vital article " Pneumonia" to move paragraphs and insert false advice to try " chain-smoking to use smoke to kill the germs" and a diff could pinpoint to remove the false text.
Another issue was Arbcom almost ready to forbid the forcing of dashes into words where hyphens have been for over 100 years, such as the " Mason-Dixon Line" (or " Michelson-Morley experiment"), but no one talked to them as supportive of a hyphen/dash study. The current developers are helping Wikipedia, and some Arbcom seem to want to help more. I guess what I'm saying is: we need to find better ways for the tail to wag the dog, now that you have confirmed that is how the system is working. - Wikid77 ( talk) 15:48, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
The wp:developers have discussed storing each line of a page with internal linenumbers, and line-author history could be stored as well. Currently, the wp:Wikiblame tool ( run) can be used to find a revision where a phrase was added into a page, but results might be confusing if the phrase was added in several portions of the page.
The difficulty of line-author tracking would likely deter such a feature, but because the developers have spent years developing the wp:VE visual editor (plus template-editing), then the storage of lines with line-revision history might be a feature they would consider, and possibly already exists from storage systems which handle avionics software to track each line of source code back to requirements authorization documents plus related test cases. - Wikid77 ( talk) 11:32, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi there. Was it you who volunteered to be Snake's mentor? Are you still doing that? If so, I wanted to be fair and give you a shot to intervene before escalating things. He has made repeated long, aggressive, accusatory messages on my talk page, and has refused to stop. Are you able to get through to him any better? Because it's like he doesn't even read what I'm saying, and he's not making any sense. Sergecross73 msg me 14:08, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I advise you not to go there. This is an article deleted two years ago, righteously. The link you just added to MH's talk page is an absolutely classic red flag for a group of quacks. The problem with "ancestral health" is that it is a walled garden of self-reinforcing True Believers, a bunch of people out looking for evidence to support what they believe to be true, not seeking to test and falsify their beliefs. This is known as pathological science or (less formally) as policy-based evidence making. The fact that MH appears unable to get over the deletion of one article, even two years later, is really his problem, not anyone else's, and I really do urge you not to get involved. It is difficult for an outsider to spot the difference between legitimate medical inquiry and quackery, and you've had trouble with this in the past. Guy ( Help!) 07:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 20 | ← | Archive 25 | Archive 26 | Archive 27 | Archive 28 | Archive 29 | Archive 30 |
I'm sort-of back, though I don't know for how long. Figured you'd want to know, since you seemed worried at talk that something may have happened to me. Nothing did, I just got really sick of WP and un-bookmarked it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
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Hello! Tryptofish has given you some delicious kale to go along with whatever else you have! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else some delicious kale! Enjoy! -- Tryptofish ( talk) 18:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC) |
Please discuss in talk instead of continuing to edit information that is clearly contentious. I'll start a section. (And I'll try to invite the unregistered editor also involved but his or her IP address changes sometimes so I don't know if he or she will see my message.) ElKevbo ( talk) 14:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Hey Atsme, I just caught up on some of what has happened the past couple of days with the ARCA case and all. I just wanted to extend my condolences for the stress and lost sleep you experienced. I've lost a good deal of sleep myself over Wikipedia disputes and it's not fun. I realize a lot of it is probably coming across as being very personal. From my perspective it's not, and the most personal thing that MrX said was mostly complimentary:
Atsme seems to be a warm and affable person who is rarely uncivil, and who I believe is sincere in her participation in the project. She has made some outstanding contributions to building the encyclopedia in areas outside of American politics, and I have great respect for her for that. It seems though that she has an ideological blind spot which affects her objectivity, and manifests as large amounts of low signal-to-noise ratio commentary.
Anyway I know the topic ban hurts and I'm not trying to minimize that. But I encourage you to first, take some time to disengage, lower your stress level, and catch up on your sleep. Then when you're ready, review the complaint itself and identify what the problems were and you can do better to fix those problems in the future (assuming you want to appeal the topic ban at some point). I don't recommend trying to desysop Bishonen as I believe I saw some people suggesting you should. Bishonen's action was perfectly legal and defensible, and I can imagine myself having done something very similar myself if I had been reviewing the complaint. Anyway, not trying to pour salt in a fresh wound, just trying to dissuade you from following bad advice. Good luck and take care! ~ Awilley ( talk) 05:09, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
-- Cameron11598 (Talk) 21:52, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Can the notification bots be turned off or modified? I never had them myself. Wouldn't want you to get tripped up into doing something naughty.-- MONGO ( talk) 04:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
I noticed a now-archived thread about how to get rid of bot notices on one's talk page, and I can point out another method that can be used for instances where one cannot simply take one's name off of a list. By using {{ bots}}, particularly with its allow or deny parameters, there is a lot of flexibility about what you can exclude. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 16:17, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
More turbulence and a much bigger issue than paywalls....
It makes me think back to Project Accuracy, and the involvement of academia....the latter of which helps clear the way for WP as an "educational resource" but doing so would conflict with our allowance of commercial use and basically annuls the fair use educational exemption. "Commercial use" appears to be the primary flaw; i.e., the fact that Google and other commercial entities are allowed to use it in a capitalistic manner. Having said that, I will add that we don't know what part "commercial use" plays in WP's success (via donations), but in light of recent developments, it appears to be more of a liability than an asset. Atsme 📞 📧 21:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia should've gone on strike to protest it. You know, like they did with the SOPA blackout. SNAAAAKE!! ( talk) 21:26, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
You made some good points over on commons with respect to the reach of their copyright discussions. Honestly, I think commons should keep a couple of copyright lawyers on hand to help out in these situations. Right now, the level of ignorance of copyright law I see in editors making vociferous claims about copyright is staggering. And I'm by no means an expert myself. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:43, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
-- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 02:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
-Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 02:17, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Couldn't leave all that blank space, so I'll start a discussion here. I'm sure my ( talk page stalker) will think of something to add. Atsme 📞 📧 19:07, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
A file that you uploaded or altered,
File:Frog smile.gif, has been listed at
Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the
discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. —
innotata
08:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Hey, I just saw your appeal and wanted to offer a bit of advice. You are making your appeal about the conduct of other people. It needs to be about you. Do you understand why people thought you should be topic banned? What was the problem, in your own words? What specifically have you done to remedy the problem? That kind of stuff. ~ Awilley ( talk) 19:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Not sure what you want me to do here; you asked me a question, then archived the section. Let me know if you still want me to explain here. Otherwise, just delete this and I'll get the message. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 14:32, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Atsme, the Arbitration Committee has closed your appeal at ARCA as withdrawn and it has been archived here.
Since you have withdrawn your appeal, the Committee has decided that you may appeal again in six months. If your appeal is based on the validity of the sanction, it must be made at ARCA. If your appeal is based on the sanction no longer being necessary, it may be made at AE, AN, or ARCA.
For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 21:41, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
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Karma needs help sometimes... |
Smudge away the negativity and maybe karma will visit more expediently. Worth a try, right?! -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 22:35, 11 August 2018 (UTC) |
Thank you, Winkelvi - the sage reminded me of Wednesday night's episode of Yellowstone. It's bizarre how closely I can relate to that series - I provided the cattle and helped the director with the cutting horse scenes for Dallas (1978 TV series) - yet at the same time, I can relate equally to The Sopranos, Sea Hunt, and The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau. What a roller coaster ride my life has been, but based on what I've seen on your user page, my life has to be a big yawn for you. Thank you for your service, sir. My nephew was career Navy - Chief Petty Officer with the Admiral's Fleet. Atsme 📞 📧 23:09, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
(reposting from archives since I can't undo the edit)
Atsme, I noticed this post of yours with surprise. The venue, "New pages patrol", is not exactly the natural port of call for questioning articles that are over a year old, for a start. You obviously found those articles, all created by Snooganssnoogans, through either my contributions [1] [2] or Winkelvi's, [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] and decided to "help". If I see you mounting a two-pronged attack along with Winkelvi again, for the purpose of supporting him in distressing an editor he doesn't like (or whatever the problem is — I don't know why Winkelvi has it in so for Snooganssnoogans), I will block you both for harassment. I understand that you're not in a good place atm, I sympathize up to a point, but you don't get to relieve your feelings by persecuting others, or by bolstering Winkelvi's persecution, under cover of an innocent-sounding inquiry. Try smudging away the negativity. Bishonen | talk 11:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC).
Responding to
this, which got archived as I was trying to write a comment, Atsme probably saw themselves as just lending a helping hand to a friend, and helping "Karma" out along the way. Unfortunately that was also engaging in the kind of tribalism that admins like Bishonen are sick of seeing every day on Wikipedia. Bishonen was correct in asking you to stop, and there were no "aspersions" in Bishonen's statement, which included evidence. Speaking of "aspersions" it's probably not a good idea to accuse Bishonen of being an "involved admin" without evidence. Asking an admin not to post on your talk page can't prevent them from interacting with you here in an administrative capacity. If you really think you have a case of involved admin abuse the proper forum is Arbcom. (I'm not recommending that course of action for you based on the quality of evidence you submitted to them last week.) That's all. ~
Awilley (
talk)
16:37, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
"The fact that my questions to an arb have remained unanswered speaks volumes about the whole process."Oh FGS. No, the fact that Newyorkbrad hasn't replied to your question doesn't speak any volumes, or speak above a whisper at all. NYB doesn't edit that frequently. Nobody's obliged to go online and edit Wikipedia more frequently than they want to, or than their other obligations in life permit. Why don't you check a person's contributions before you talk like that? Are you actively working on becoming impossible to take seriously? One would think so, from the way you threw a thesaurus at me above, in preference to engaging with anything I'd said. Though I liked the "you have distressed me beyond reproach" bit. Shouldn't that be a good thing? Bishonen | talk 21:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC).
I looked up the meaning of CYA – and got a laugh out of it! -- Tryptofish ( talk) 20:26, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Ole Thunderbritches has bought you a pint! Sharing a pint is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work. Spread the WikiLove by buying someone else a pint, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements. Cheers!
ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:47, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Cheers!!!
Atsme
📞
📧
13:50, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Also Knights of the Round Table which where I mostly just merged 17 small articles. -- SNAAAAKE!! ( talk) 18:49, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I mean, Knights is more like a stub and I just wanted it copyedited, and most of all Breunor's section as tagged. Actually would like to see what needs references or expansions/clarifications too, as separate articles they've been not actually worked on since the 2000s and I only worked on them just to a limited degree now. -- SNAAAAKE!! ( talk) 05:53, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for taking time to explain current issues with lifer admins, and thanks for closing discussion with Jimbo before more admins circled in to disrespect any users who might agree with your research. I think the environment is worse than ever, so it was an awakening to see Jimbo unaware of the admin problems today. Now more than ever, I realize "we are Wikipedia" and what we accomplish is all that will be done in this era.
If Wikipedia dwindles due to lack of modern leadership, then what will matter is the quality of the vital articles; and no end-game archive-pedia will have the stomach to maintain +5 million articles on "cruft" info-mush, as if people would want 5,000 articles on racehorses who only finished in 7th place. Beyond the proposed 50,000 Level-5 wp:VITAL articles, perhaps only 200,000 pages could be expected to matter, and we must focus on vital articles because few people have that vision to avoid the endless distractions of minor pages.
For example, before cars and trucks, transportation was provided by horses, donkeys, burrows, oxen, or dogsleds (etc.), and two hundred vital pages could be expanded also about wagons, carriages, stagecoaches, pony express, plows, grist mills, etc. Many people would likely read a page about " Race horse training methods" or comparisons of Man o' War with Secretariat, or explain Seabiscuit trained by punishment/reward system, etc. So the idea is to try to avoid relatively minor pages. - Wikid77 ( talk) 04:34, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Just recently, the developers have installed a weave merge for the diff action, and now we can move paragraphs across a page up/down over 20 paragraphs away, and the weave-diff will still show which words have changed, even when a paragraph is moved. It is getting harder for hack-edits to hide when text is moved, and the vandalism patrollers can pinpoint false text when inserted inside large paragraphs, as to directly revert false data. For example, someone could alter vital article " Pneumonia" to move paragraphs and insert false advice to try " chain-smoking to use smoke to kill the germs" and a diff could pinpoint to remove the false text.
Another issue was Arbcom almost ready to forbid the forcing of dashes into words where hyphens have been for over 100 years, such as the " Mason-Dixon Line" (or " Michelson-Morley experiment"), but no one talked to them as supportive of a hyphen/dash study. The current developers are helping Wikipedia, and some Arbcom seem to want to help more. I guess what I'm saying is: we need to find better ways for the tail to wag the dog, now that you have confirmed that is how the system is working. - Wikid77 ( talk) 15:48, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
The wp:developers have discussed storing each line of a page with internal linenumbers, and line-author history could be stored as well. Currently, the wp:Wikiblame tool ( run) can be used to find a revision where a phrase was added into a page, but results might be confusing if the phrase was added in several portions of the page.
The difficulty of line-author tracking would likely deter such a feature, but because the developers have spent years developing the wp:VE visual editor (plus template-editing), then the storage of lines with line-revision history might be a feature they would consider, and possibly already exists from storage systems which handle avionics software to track each line of source code back to requirements authorization documents plus related test cases. - Wikid77 ( talk) 11:32, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi there. Was it you who volunteered to be Snake's mentor? Are you still doing that? If so, I wanted to be fair and give you a shot to intervene before escalating things. He has made repeated long, aggressive, accusatory messages on my talk page, and has refused to stop. Are you able to get through to him any better? Because it's like he doesn't even read what I'm saying, and he's not making any sense. Sergecross73 msg me 14:08, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I advise you not to go there. This is an article deleted two years ago, righteously. The link you just added to MH's talk page is an absolutely classic red flag for a group of quacks. The problem with "ancestral health" is that it is a walled garden of self-reinforcing True Believers, a bunch of people out looking for evidence to support what they believe to be true, not seeking to test and falsify their beliefs. This is known as pathological science or (less formally) as policy-based evidence making. The fact that MH appears unable to get over the deletion of one article, even two years later, is really his problem, not anyone else's, and I really do urge you not to get involved. It is difficult for an outsider to spot the difference between legitimate medical inquiry and quackery, and you've had trouble with this in the past. Guy ( Help!) 07:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)