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The storm have lasted 13 to 16 December; December 5 to 12 is an error. Tropical depression intensity Not be true. In Siciliy reported damage from strong winds 70-90 km/h and floods (300m in 24/h) and while the storm was like a hurricane, in south of Crete, the wind was close to 29m/s (104 km / h - 64.9 mph - 56.3 knots), in a small part of the center. The cyclone made landfall 16 dec on Lebanon coast with tropical storm intensity (98 km/h Beirut Airport). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.33.120 ( talk) 11:00, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Image of this Cyclone: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/mediterraneantropicalcyh.jpg/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.33.120 ( talk) 11:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
"These systems are a subject of some debate within meteorological circles whether they closely fit the definition of tropical cyclones, subtropical cyclones, or polar lows"..
This common sentence is incorrect, is wrong.. they are Not polar lows.
That the Mediterranean Tropical Cyclone is ugual Karl'80, Vince'05 or Grace'05. Not be a doubt.
Many Mediterranean tropical like Cyclones occured over sea surface (18-27°C) most warm Karl'80, Vince'05 or Grace'05 (24-17°C).
They can be intensity of tropical depresssion, tropical storm or (very rare)hurricane, but they cause flooding, damage and fatalties.
It obvious that these small tropical cyclones they are occured for tropical transition. (K.Emanuel: cutoff cold low is an ideal embryo in which a Mediterranean tropical cyclone can be produced).
Tropical transition refers to the dynamic and thermodynamic transformation of disturbances of sub-tropical or extratropical origin into tropical cyclones.
This is often synonymous with a transition from a cold-core cyclone to a warm-core cyclone . —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
151.60.130.77 (
talk)
15:36, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
why my news images for mediterranean hurricane january 1982 and september 1983 have been delete? User:Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy —Preceding undated comment added 23:05, 3 June 2010 (UTC).
35 knots Mediterranean tropical storm occured on October 2005:
http://img193.imageshack.us/i/47006990.jpg/
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3593/tlc26ott2005.jpg
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
151.54.0.84 (
talk)
12:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Mediterranean Hurricane occured in Decembre 2005 from tropical transition like Karl'80,Vince'05,Grace'09;
wind exceded 30m/s in the center:
http://img89.imageshack.us/i/tlcdic2005.jpg/ —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
151.54.0.84 (
talk)
12:27, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
40 knots tropical storm occured over Balearic Islands on October 2005:
http://img5.imageshack.us/i/mediterraneantropicalst.gif/
in March 2007 (984 hpa >25m/s) over Thyrrenian sea (Latium coast) :
http://www.meteored.com/ram/UserFiles/Image/noviembre07/medicane4.jpg
Mediterranean Hurricane occured in January 1982 from tropical transition like Karl'80,Vince'05, Grace'09:
http://img519.imageshack.us/i/tlc1982dp1.jpg/
Little Mediterranean Hurricnae occured on August 1976 over warm wather of Adriatic Sea:
http://www.tornadoit.org/immagini/dew.jpg —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
151.54.0.84 (
talk)
12:59, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
images of Mediterranean Hurricane 6-10 October 1996 like Karl'80,Vince'05, Grace'09 (maximum wind 145 km/h over Eolian Islands- 3 deads):
http://img39.imageshack.us/i/mediterraneanhurricane2.jpg/
images of Mediterranean Hurricane September 1983:
http://img194.imageshack.us/i/mediterraneanhurricane3.jpg/
From 2006, in Italy, the most important Mediterranean tropical cyclones have a name..
1983 hurricane called "
Callisto",
1995 hurricane called "
Celeno",
6-10 Oct. 1996 hurricane called "
Cornelia",
the 4-6 Oct. tropical storm called "
Samir".
and many others:
Plautilla '07,
Zeo '05,
Partenope '97,
Maximo '85,
Leucosia '82 ecc..
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy (
talk •
contribs)
13:35, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Insere in google Mediterranean hurricane Celeno..are not officiale name for America? the National Hurricane Center did not monitor Mediterranean sistems, as such they are not nominated.
You do not decide to Mediterranean tropical systems.
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy (
talk •
contribs) 01:23, 4 Marc 2010 (UTC)
The only sources i can see in Google calling a hurricane Celeno is Utube which is not reliable enough.
Jason Rees (
talk)
15:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
I believe these names are quite alright in the topic since it is the name that will be remembered just like unnamed Catarina or Anita (south atlantic)was. Since they do not have an official naming procedure down there, this is the next best way. with these names are and will be remembered in Italy, Greece and Spain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy ( talk • contribs) 12:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
For many people in storm2k forum Catarina and Anita are not offically named. http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=107638&start=100&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=anita —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.60.131.18 ( talk) 21:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Why is it plural? Compare Mediterranean tropical cyclones to South Atlantic tropical cyclone or Atlantic hurricane. Jdorje 00:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
So if this 1992 hurricane struck Spain, then Vince wasn't the first tropical system to do so... Jdorje 00:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Should they be added or not? I am currently looking through every September, starting with 1995 and currently at 1997 (I am doing every other day, so hopefully I didn't miss any). Some of these storms appear to be unknown across the world, which is always good with me! Hurricanehink 01:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
To me, that looks nontropical and like an attempt at an occluded cyclone. Where's the central convection? The others currently on the page look like reasonable additions. Thegreatdr 18:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Earlier today, there was a frontal low in the southern Mediterranean Sea. See here for a visible pic, and here for a broader view. It was likely extratropical, but given the near total lack of activity for the area, I think it's pretty cool. Hurricanehink 00:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
The article is at Start class for now, to make up to be more info is needed. Storm05 14:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
In this blog post. 91.64.30.89 15:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
In spanish: http://www.meteonix.com/v3_prinot.asp?sub=597
The 19 of October of 2007 another Mediterranean Hurricane hit the southeast of Spain.
I saw this in a documentary and found it in the 'Great Lakes' entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Lake_Huron_cyclone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.19 ( talk) 22:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Should we add this one? [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.40.137.199 ( talk) 05:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah! Matthurricane ( talk)
It is one of the best known cases of a tropical cyclone within the mediterranean ranking higher in appearance and organizion then any system since the hurricane of 1995. You can edit it, but this will be incomplete if you delete it. Matthurricane ( talk) 06:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Hurricanehink I study of many years mediterranean tropical cyclones. I have many other systems, descriptions and other images in the perfect status of Hurricane or tropical storm (for example your image mediterranean hurricane of October 1996 not look like a hurricane in the day 7 , but very hurricane in the 9 october day). You conctact in my e-mail and I invie images and description of thesee and other Mediterranean Tropical Cyclones. atraxmail@excite.it , Daniele , 11:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.60.143.222 ( talk)
I think this article is too disorganized, and too unofficial to warrant keeping as an article. I propose the well-sourced statements be kept and become a section in Tropical cyclone basins. -- Hurricanehink ( talk) 23:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Merge- I was reading the article, and I saw some sections with no refs. This leads me to believe that there is some OR in the article. And I agree with Hink that unless there is clear, sufficient, and a credible ref stating that these are TC's, then the article should be merged. And the overall structure of the article is poor, with bolding of words which shouldn't be, bolding of intensities, and this is just a few of the problems of this article, and that's why I gave up in copyediting this article. Darren 23 Edits| Mail 00:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not attempting to bring this page back to life or anything, but I just want to get these errors straight before I move on to more important subjects and things.
Taking a look at these pictures of Med cyclones, the October 4-6 1996 storm does not look like a cyclone. As somebody else stated in previous discussion, where's the central convection? It looks more like a regular low.
2 storms were referenced with reference 5. Clicking this link leads you to ICTP Publications. When you source, you go to the real page. At ICTP home page, there's not one single thing that talks about cyclones.
You heard what the other section above said (the one about merging).
In case anyone was wondering, I userfied the aforementioned article to User:Syntheticalconnections/Mediterranean tropical cyclone (who requested to keep it), but I merged the useful content to this article. The article was mostly original research, and not very encyclopediac. Hurricanehink ( talk) 01:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Just a note in the event of a future article is created - [2] SSD has issued Dvorak classifications for the first time ever on a system in the Mediterranean. In addition, it has been listed on NRL as 99L. Also, here is a news story describing it producing rainfall. They called it a "depression". --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 18:43, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
With all of the new refs that have been added to User:Atomic7732/Mediterranean tropical cyclone, can we restore this article, and with its contents? 72.197.249.141 ( talk) 23:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
The Mediterranean tropical cyclone article was recreated as Mediterranean tropical-like cyclone in late 2013, which is currently a Good article. However, this user subpage will continue to be maintained as a sandbox for the recreated article. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 08:47, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
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The storm have lasted 13 to 16 December; December 5 to 12 is an error. Tropical depression intensity Not be true. In Siciliy reported damage from strong winds 70-90 km/h and floods (300m in 24/h) and while the storm was like a hurricane, in south of Crete, the wind was close to 29m/s (104 km / h - 64.9 mph - 56.3 knots), in a small part of the center. The cyclone made landfall 16 dec on Lebanon coast with tropical storm intensity (98 km/h Beirut Airport). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.33.120 ( talk) 11:00, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Image of this Cyclone: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/mediterraneantropicalcyh.jpg/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.33.120 ( talk) 11:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
"These systems are a subject of some debate within meteorological circles whether they closely fit the definition of tropical cyclones, subtropical cyclones, or polar lows"..
This common sentence is incorrect, is wrong.. they are Not polar lows.
That the Mediterranean Tropical Cyclone is ugual Karl'80, Vince'05 or Grace'05. Not be a doubt.
Many Mediterranean tropical like Cyclones occured over sea surface (18-27°C) most warm Karl'80, Vince'05 or Grace'05 (24-17°C).
They can be intensity of tropical depresssion, tropical storm or (very rare)hurricane, but they cause flooding, damage and fatalties.
It obvious that these small tropical cyclones they are occured for tropical transition. (K.Emanuel: cutoff cold low is an ideal embryo in which a Mediterranean tropical cyclone can be produced).
Tropical transition refers to the dynamic and thermodynamic transformation of disturbances of sub-tropical or extratropical origin into tropical cyclones.
This is often synonymous with a transition from a cold-core cyclone to a warm-core cyclone . —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
151.60.130.77 (
talk)
15:36, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
why my news images for mediterranean hurricane january 1982 and september 1983 have been delete? User:Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy —Preceding undated comment added 23:05, 3 June 2010 (UTC).
35 knots Mediterranean tropical storm occured on October 2005:
http://img193.imageshack.us/i/47006990.jpg/
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3593/tlc26ott2005.jpg
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
151.54.0.84 (
talk)
12:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Mediterranean Hurricane occured in Decembre 2005 from tropical transition like Karl'80,Vince'05,Grace'09;
wind exceded 30m/s in the center:
http://img89.imageshack.us/i/tlcdic2005.jpg/ —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
151.54.0.84 (
talk)
12:27, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
40 knots tropical storm occured over Balearic Islands on October 2005:
http://img5.imageshack.us/i/mediterraneantropicalst.gif/
in March 2007 (984 hpa >25m/s) over Thyrrenian sea (Latium coast) :
http://www.meteored.com/ram/UserFiles/Image/noviembre07/medicane4.jpg
Mediterranean Hurricane occured in January 1982 from tropical transition like Karl'80,Vince'05, Grace'09:
http://img519.imageshack.us/i/tlc1982dp1.jpg/
Little Mediterranean Hurricnae occured on August 1976 over warm wather of Adriatic Sea:
http://www.tornadoit.org/immagini/dew.jpg —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
151.54.0.84 (
talk)
12:59, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
images of Mediterranean Hurricane 6-10 October 1996 like Karl'80,Vince'05, Grace'09 (maximum wind 145 km/h over Eolian Islands- 3 deads):
http://img39.imageshack.us/i/mediterraneanhurricane2.jpg/
images of Mediterranean Hurricane September 1983:
http://img194.imageshack.us/i/mediterraneanhurricane3.jpg/
From 2006, in Italy, the most important Mediterranean tropical cyclones have a name..
1983 hurricane called "
Callisto",
1995 hurricane called "
Celeno",
6-10 Oct. 1996 hurricane called "
Cornelia",
the 4-6 Oct. tropical storm called "
Samir".
and many others:
Plautilla '07,
Zeo '05,
Partenope '97,
Maximo '85,
Leucosia '82 ecc..
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy (
talk •
contribs)
13:35, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Insere in google Mediterranean hurricane Celeno..are not officiale name for America? the National Hurricane Center did not monitor Mediterranean sistems, as such they are not nominated.
You do not decide to Mediterranean tropical systems.
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy (
talk •
contribs) 01:23, 4 Marc 2010 (UTC)
The only sources i can see in Google calling a hurricane Celeno is Utube which is not reliable enough.
Jason Rees (
talk)
15:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
I believe these names are quite alright in the topic since it is the name that will be remembered just like unnamed Catarina or Anita (south atlantic)was. Since they do not have an official naming procedure down there, this is the next best way. with these names are and will be remembered in Italy, Greece and Spain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy ( talk • contribs) 12:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
For many people in storm2k forum Catarina and Anita are not offically named. http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=107638&start=100&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=anita —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.60.131.18 ( talk) 21:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Why is it plural? Compare Mediterranean tropical cyclones to South Atlantic tropical cyclone or Atlantic hurricane. Jdorje 00:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
So if this 1992 hurricane struck Spain, then Vince wasn't the first tropical system to do so... Jdorje 00:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Should they be added or not? I am currently looking through every September, starting with 1995 and currently at 1997 (I am doing every other day, so hopefully I didn't miss any). Some of these storms appear to be unknown across the world, which is always good with me! Hurricanehink 01:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
To me, that looks nontropical and like an attempt at an occluded cyclone. Where's the central convection? The others currently on the page look like reasonable additions. Thegreatdr 18:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Earlier today, there was a frontal low in the southern Mediterranean Sea. See here for a visible pic, and here for a broader view. It was likely extratropical, but given the near total lack of activity for the area, I think it's pretty cool. Hurricanehink 00:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
The article is at Start class for now, to make up to be more info is needed. Storm05 14:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
In this blog post. 91.64.30.89 15:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
In spanish: http://www.meteonix.com/v3_prinot.asp?sub=597
The 19 of October of 2007 another Mediterranean Hurricane hit the southeast of Spain.
I saw this in a documentary and found it in the 'Great Lakes' entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Lake_Huron_cyclone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.19 ( talk) 22:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Should we add this one? [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.40.137.199 ( talk) 05:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah! Matthurricane ( talk)
It is one of the best known cases of a tropical cyclone within the mediterranean ranking higher in appearance and organizion then any system since the hurricane of 1995. You can edit it, but this will be incomplete if you delete it. Matthurricane ( talk) 06:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Hurricanehink I study of many years mediterranean tropical cyclones. I have many other systems, descriptions and other images in the perfect status of Hurricane or tropical storm (for example your image mediterranean hurricane of October 1996 not look like a hurricane in the day 7 , but very hurricane in the 9 october day). You conctact in my e-mail and I invie images and description of thesee and other Mediterranean Tropical Cyclones. atraxmail@excite.it , Daniele , 11:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.60.143.222 ( talk)
I think this article is too disorganized, and too unofficial to warrant keeping as an article. I propose the well-sourced statements be kept and become a section in Tropical cyclone basins. -- Hurricanehink ( talk) 23:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Merge- I was reading the article, and I saw some sections with no refs. This leads me to believe that there is some OR in the article. And I agree with Hink that unless there is clear, sufficient, and a credible ref stating that these are TC's, then the article should be merged. And the overall structure of the article is poor, with bolding of words which shouldn't be, bolding of intensities, and this is just a few of the problems of this article, and that's why I gave up in copyediting this article. Darren 23 Edits| Mail 00:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not attempting to bring this page back to life or anything, but I just want to get these errors straight before I move on to more important subjects and things.
Taking a look at these pictures of Med cyclones, the October 4-6 1996 storm does not look like a cyclone. As somebody else stated in previous discussion, where's the central convection? It looks more like a regular low.
2 storms were referenced with reference 5. Clicking this link leads you to ICTP Publications. When you source, you go to the real page. At ICTP home page, there's not one single thing that talks about cyclones.
You heard what the other section above said (the one about merging).
In case anyone was wondering, I userfied the aforementioned article to User:Syntheticalconnections/Mediterranean tropical cyclone (who requested to keep it), but I merged the useful content to this article. The article was mostly original research, and not very encyclopediac. Hurricanehink ( talk) 01:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Just a note in the event of a future article is created - [2] SSD has issued Dvorak classifications for the first time ever on a system in the Mediterranean. In addition, it has been listed on NRL as 99L. Also, here is a news story describing it producing rainfall. They called it a "depression". --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 18:43, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
With all of the new refs that have been added to User:Atomic7732/Mediterranean tropical cyclone, can we restore this article, and with its contents? 72.197.249.141 ( talk) 23:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
The Mediterranean tropical cyclone article was recreated as Mediterranean tropical-like cyclone in late 2013, which is currently a Good article. However, this user subpage will continue to be maintained as a sandbox for the recreated article. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 08:47, 1 December 2017 (UTC)