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With regards to your comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. "Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users." Please keep this in mind while editing. Thanks.
Much as I hate making this sort of thing official, your comments about myself, Byrgenwulf and Jeffire on the above-mentioned AfD have, in my opinion, crossed the line. WP:NPA refers. Tevildo 01:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Response Pardon me, but I just noticed your message.
Byrgenwulf has been making unsupported, unverifiable attacks on the topic of this article. Indeed, in clear violation of Wikipedia policy regarding neutrality and verifiability, both of you have been attacking the content, or topic, of the article rather than the article itself. All that the article has to do is faithfully report what appeared in the press and was written by Langan; given the clear notability of the content, you have no right whatsoever to carp and complain about it, at least in the capacity of Wikipedia editors acting in good faith. All you can do is report what other sufficiently notable people have said about the theory in sufficiently reputable and verifiable sources. If you choose to carp and complain anyway, particularly in a way that influences how the article is edited - after all, voting for deletion amounts to attempting to edit the article, right out of existence in fact, and likewise for encouraging others to vote as you do - then you are yourself in contempt of Wikipedia policy, and it is hypocritical of you to complain when you get the worst of it.
Instead of supporting his (and your) claims, as is your editorial responsibility, Byrgenwulf ignored his responsibility and attempted to infuse his attacks with authority by claiming to be a professional philosopher of physics. He did this both voluntarily and dishonestly, and that is now a proven fact. Once you have been shown to be something, that's it - anybody can point it out, as many times as he or she likes. If Byrgenwulf has been shown to be dishonest, or not an expert as he claims to be, anyone is free to state as much whenever convenient. Wikipedia policy is not just something that people like Byrgenwulf, and you, and jeffire, can point to when you don't like the way things are going for you, but then ignore whenever you can get away with it. It is something that applies to you as well.
Incidentally, although you may think that I find your supercilious comments about philosophy impressive, this is anything but the case. Quite the opposite, in fact. I am quite certain, on the basis of your snide and shallow comments, that your level of philosophical understanding is nothing to respect. In fact, it may even be as deficient as Byrgenwulf's own. Please bear this in mind as you attempt to do the Wikipedia community, and the world at large, a monumental disservice by attacking a valuable, informative, and well-referenced article on a notable topic just to strike a blow for your own inability to comprehend it while meanwhile advancing your own opinions. Truly, this is a black mark on your record. Asmodeus 03:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
The third paragraph of your answer consists of personal attacks, which were already made clear to you as being in violation of Wikipedia's policy. If you need, please do consult that policy once again and give it some further reading:
WP:NPA. Thank you.
Apeximius
07:54, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Please refrain from making personal attacks, this is a blockable offense, see WP:NPA. And especially stop using th edit summary to make personal attacks. -- Pjacobi 19:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Let me refresh your memory.
pjacobi: Delete - one person's theory, not in any way in contact with academic reserach. --Pjacobi 13:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
My response: Who cares how many people wrote it, or whether it is "in contact with academic reserach"? If you want to read about things that are "in contact with academic reserach", you should subscribe to academic journals. Wikipedia is not an appendage of academia, and the CTMU nowhere relies on "contact with academic reserach" to make its points. Please, let's keep our eyes on the ball here. Asmodeus 15:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Now please read carefully.
1. Most theories are written by one person; others are free to utilize them (or not) in their own work later on down the line, as they choose. That others have not yet chosen to do so need not reflect on the theory or its applicability to important issues, particularly given the polarization associated with the central focus of the scholastic journal in which the CTMU was published. This is not necessarily a reflection on the theory; it is more likely pertinent to the philosophical assumptions under which others are working, which - inasmuch as we are, after all, talking about philosophy - may ultimately lead nowhere. Indeed, it may merely mean that other scholars are unfamiliar with the theory because they only pay attention to a narrow or professionally closed set of sources. You have improperly recommended this article for deletion on those grounds, and that was wrong of you as a Wikipedia editor.
This leads us to
2. It makes no difference whether a theory is "notable to academic researchers" (whether or not this is the case). It has been patiently explained to you that academics are not the ones who make this particular theory notable; it is notable because it was covered by highly reputable sources in the popular media, and because it has a remarkable structure that no other theory possesses. Again, citing the superficially apparent inattention of academia as grounds for deletion was irresponsible of you as a Wikipedia editor.
You have voted to delete an informative, well-verified article about a notable topic on irrelevant or nebulous grounds for which you have no verification. In so doing, you have let Wikipedia and its readership down. Please be more responsible about your editing activities in the future. Asmodeus 21:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Again? [2] -- Pjacobi 22:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Others also violating policy is no excuse. If you want to to report specific incidents, please give me or another admin a diff to the incident. You can also use Wikipedia:Personal attack intervention noticeboard. oh, you were already reported there, I see. Anyway, regarding abuse in edit comments, your contributions clearly stand out [3]. -- Pjacobi 23:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
As you have guessed, I've warned nobody else. It was the attack in your edit summary that caught my eye. I checked whether the posting you were responding to was an attack and judged it not be. My actions as admin are unrelated to my actions as editor (like contributing to AfD -- it's not a vote actually). For this reason I'll most likely (read: if no immediate response is required) I have to involve another admin for deciding to actually block you. -- Pjacobi 00:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
These remarks, [4] [5] [6] [7] violate Wikipedia policies on personal attacks and civility. This kind of language becomes disruptive very quickly. Please don't do this any more, or it may be neccessary to temporarily suspend your editing privileges. Tom Harrison Talk 01:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The incivil hostility of these remarks is disruptive. [8] [9] I'm blocking you for twenty-four hours. When you come back, please take more care with your words. Tom Harrison Talk 01:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
You're making a personal judgment call, and it's a bad one. In at least two of those comments, I was being positively moderate. In no case was anyone personally attacked, called names, or treated in any way that wouldn't have flown on any other site but this one. You're protecting miscreants, probably out of personal bias, and In my humble opinion, you're totally out of line. Just thought I'd let you know. Asmodeus 05:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Editors like Tom make me want to close Wikipedia for good. The double standard evident throughout this encyclopedia is embarrassing. Tom - Try to work out a less condescending way of criticizing others, please. Your words read as passive aggressive, arrogant and, again, condescending. This is completely unnecessary and obviously, inevitably, results in fueling arguments rather than resolving them. CanisLupisArctus ( talk) 22:29, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
As you have edited the article on the Mega Society, I wish to inform you it is up for deletion. I saw that you are active in the debate over the deletion of the CTMU article. Although I am not completely certain, I am suspicious that Byrgenwulf and Jefffire have put the Mega Society article up for deletion because of its (now tenuous) link with Christopher Langan and the CTMU. I mean no disrespect, but, especially since you have gotten into trouble with admins in the past, please be circumspect in your posts in both debates. It does not help our argument to even appear to be making personal attacks. — Tox 09:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts to save CTMU. No one can say we didn't try. You might want to add your opinion to the deletion review. Thanks again. Tim Smith 21:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
You seem to be a big fan of this CTMU thingie. I have to ask: are you by any chance Christopher Michael Langan IRL?
If so, as a matter of common courtesy, I think you need to disclose this on the talk page when you edit articles like Christopher Michael Langan or Mega Foundation. If challenged, this would help you make a case that your edits are in good faith. Wikipedia currently has a huge problem with vanity cruft, so many users are apt to become concerned when they see edits which suggest a possible undisclosed personal interest in slanting a WP article in some direction.--- CH 23:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I am going to assume that you were merely very confused. When an admin closes a log, one does not reopen it to add additional comments. Refer to the recently concluded section of the main DRV page for the result: in the case of CTMU, that result is "Deletion endorsed".
Repeated reversion of administrative closures would be grounds for a block; I'm sure your action today was a simple accident, though. Best wishes, Xoloz 23:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Asmodeus, you will probably be interested in this MfD. --- CH 23:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I notice that you've edited a few philosophy articles. Have you considered joining the
Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy? It is an effort to coordinate the work of Wikipedians who are knowledgeable about philosophy in an effort to improve the general quality and range of Wikipedia articles on philosophical topics.
DrL
21:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
You obviously already know about Wikipedia's policies on personal attacks and incivility, since you've been blocked for this kind of behaviour before. These edits ( [10], [11]), among many others, I regard as being unduly offensive, not to mention completely off-topic. Please stop this disruptive behaviour now. Thanks. Byrgenwulf 22:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Would you consider accepting me as your advocate for the case? This would allow us to present a consistent, coherent argument, rather than two separate arguments. -- David Mestel( Talk) 07:02, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Response Of course I'd consider it. I would, however, ask that you make very sure that you have enough spare time to actually pursue the case. I'd also ask you to understand that User Hillman's behavior has flipped over a rotten log here at Wikipedia, and that I have no intention of either ignoring what is underneath it or allowing Hillman to extract concessions of any kind without making important concessions of its own.
I don't know whether you're familiar with the full history of this dispute. But to make a long story short, an utter mockery was made of Wikipedia and its guidelines by a certain militant faction as it engaged in a vicious but comically misguided attempt to sabotage and/or delete a handful of articles related to a certain notable person and his equally notable ideas. This group was led by two people, User Hillman and an intellectually incompetent, ethically unconstrained newbie. As I see it, User Hillman, probably being old enough to know better and having a bit more upstairs, bears most of the responsibility.
This attempt, which involved various glaring abuses of Wikipedia policy, childish errors of classification, and lopsided, blame-the-victims administrative intervention (see above), was all the more comical for its bizarre success. However, I'm not laughing, because it wasted a lot of my time. Thus, I don't think that User Hillman should skate away clean. At the very least, they/he/she/it must agree to stay away from DrL and me, period, and agree not to mount any more soapboxes or mindlessly incite any more mob action against us or our editorial activities (which are, after all, well in accord with Wikipedia policy and guidelines, and probably well over Hillman's head as well).
Needless to say, the removal of all personal material regarding DrL and me is absolutely non-negotiable. All that is open for negotiation are the conditions under which this will occur. If these stipulations are agreeable to you, let me know...and in any event, thanks. Asmodeus 19:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Comment: Hello, David. I note that on Hillman's Talk page, somebody has remarked that early in the discussion, I mentioned a couple of details regarding the personal identity of Byrgenwulf. The reason: in attempting to lend weight to his attack on the CTMU article, Byrgenwulf had claimed to "work professionally in the field (of the philosophy of physics)".
Inasmuch as Byrgenwulf thereby invited others to perceive him as a professional philosopher of physics, and his attack on the CTMU as a "professional" judgment by a qualified authority, I needed to set the record straight. There was only one way to do this: to make note of the truth - that Byrgenwulf is merely a college student - and give the means of verification (an Internet search on "Byrgenwulf"). At the time, I was unfamiliar with some of the rules of the site; I was only aware that Byrgenwulf was being dishonest in a way calculated to sway the issue, and that somebody needed to do something about it. Indeed, since there seems to be no other way to refute false claims of expertise or professional status on the parts of personally or ideologically motivated vandals, this amounts to a "hole" in Wikipedia policy...a hole through which Byrgenwulf himself compelled me to step.
Also, I see that KSmrq has inserted his(?) personal bloviations regarding the Hillman Affair on Hillman's Talk page. I have requested (on KSmrq's own Talk page) that he stay out of the discussion. It might help if at some point, you were to point out that declarations of partiality, shows of solidarity, slant-edited conversations, and outright counterfactual nonsense are irrelevant to the negotiations and should be posted elsewhere. This will obviate any need for a personal response from me on Hillman's Talk page. Thanks, Asmodeus 16:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
It would be helpful if, while I'm advocating for you, you could refrain from leaving comments on other users' talk pages or Hillman's talk page expressing your frank opinion on their conduct, as it is counterproductive to our case. Thanks. -- David Mestel( Talk) 07:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Please stop speculating about Hillman's RL identity and otherwise verbally assualting him - it really doesn't help any. It would be helpful if you would let me conduct the negotiations on my own. -- David Mestel( Talk) 06:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm going on holiday from today until Saturday 26th August, so please address any inquiries to Steve Caruso in my absence. Thanks, David Mestel( Talk) 06:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
David left a message on my talk page that concerns you. In case my page is not on your watchlist, I am letting you know. Just FYI ... -- DrL 19:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Hillman has indicated that he is not prepared to continue with negotiations until you have explicitly agreed to the following four conditions:
If those are acceptable to you, please indicate by posting "I agree" below. Thanks, David Mestel( Talk) 17:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
It is courteous, I think, to inform you that there is a Request for Comment open on your behaviour. You can comment, here. Byrgenwulf 17:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
The edits to which you drew my attention are intemperate, perhaps, but they do not constitute personal attacks, in my judgment, because no person or editor is named, nor is any indicated by linking. On leaving, editors will sometimes make intemperate statements; so long as these are not directed against any particular editor, they generally are allowed to stand. You may nominate the page for deletion if you wish, at MfD, but I decline to speedy delete it, as it does not appear to constitute a personal attack. Best wishes, Xoloz 19:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
This arbitration case might interest you. Tim Smith 03:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Asmodeus. Now it very well may be that your understanding of the theory in question is deeper than mine -- I don't know and won't presume to know how many times you've read the key paper on it, but it seems to me, from the very first sentence of the abstract of that paper is the model's self declaration as a meta-model enclosing a philosophy of science, rather than as a "science instance":
Inasmuch as science is observational or perceptual in nature, the goal of providing a scientific model and mechanism for the evolution of complex systems ultimately requires a supporting theory of reality of which perception itself is the model (or theory-to-universe mapping).
To my dull mind, that reads:
Science observes and perceives reality, and to that end, needs a supporting meta-structure above it that includes the notion of perception, if the scientific model is then going to map to observable reality.
Further to this, in that same abstract, the model discussed in the paper then self-represents as follows:
By the nature of its derivation, this theory, ..., can be regarded as a supertautological reality-theoretic extension of logic.
In other words (in my dull mind at least):
The theory expounded upon in the present paper is an extension to formal logic that allows for the definition of the tautologies [that is, the self-evident truths] in those submodels it encompasses and proposes to regulate.
Now, since you very well may grok it better than I have here -- to me that is clear as the nose on my face. The meta-model proposed suggests not that it is science, but that by including a notion of perceptional feedback, allows us (for some value of "us") to formally and symbolically test a proposed theory candidate against standard methods of logical symbol manipulation to see if the candidate theory is self-consistent and itself can hold in a larger, all-encompassing system.
That is, if I wished to propose a "theory of economics", I could test that theory itself to see if it is broken within its own axioms, against a higher order theory of what makes theories in general tenable.
Should I take up origami, or is this also close to your own understanding of the theory's self-declaration?
It seems to me the theory of theory in question is presenting itself as a benchmark of theories, scientific and otherwise, not as a fixed-point contained (instantiated) theory. That is -- it's presenting itself as having the necessary ingredients to know if the recipe for baking a cake is tenable, not as a cake, and not as a recipe for a cake, but as a recipe-test. (Addendum: and moreover, it contains within it mechanisms such that it can reflexivy test itself as it begins to contain more recipes, in order to avoid becoming muddied should tripe somehow locally have a better value than some better soup, such that pragmatically acceptable elements later need to be replaced with better recipes as knowledge evolves to observation. This being required of a ToE because we observe free will, and thus the meta-theory must account for telesis-shifts -- that is, goals change and thus what is "acceptable" in a theoretic system now may not be as our free will is exercised to require stricter theories in future.)
-- QTJ 16:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Further groping factored out to avoid a content-based discussion. -- QTJ
Hey there. Figured you might grok this. BTW -- no skin off my nose if you agree with me that this section I started on your talk page might have outlived the purpose of my clarifying my muddled brain a bit on some of the concerns. Feel free to shove it into the history bin as a refactor if you want. Cheers. -- QTJ 09:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I strongly suggest you read WP:AUTO which discourages the editing of subjects one is personally involved in. JoshuaZ 20:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I think you came in a bit late. Fred Bauder 23:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for making a statement in an Arbitration application on Requests for arbitration. We ask all participants and commentators to limit the size of their initial statements to 500 words. Please trim your statement. If the case is accepted, you will have the opportunity to present more evidence. Neat, concisely presented statements are much more likely to be understood and to influence the decisions of the arbitrators.
For the Arbitration Committee. Arbitration Clerk FloNight 20:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Question: Hello, William. I notice that you've blocked me, and also that you are a member of WikiProject:Pseudoscience, a couple of whose members have recently been harassing me. I also note that you have not blocked user Prosfilaes, who pursued me to the page in question for the obvious purpose of harassment - although none of the pro-or-con arguments in that article is specifically referenced, he/she used referencing as a pretext for removing all and only those arguments added by me, after previously picking a fight with me regarding this very topic here. Why are you allowing this to happen? Specifically, why do you seem to be censuring one party in this disagreement while letting the other run away free? A brief review of the talk page for the article should have told you what's up, and your skewed enforcement in this case makes it look as though you are an active partisan of user Prosfilaes...or worse yet, that you are a partisan of ScienceApologist, against whom I was recently forced to request arbitration. Would you mind explaining why you've decided to block me for a perfectly justifiable series of reverts, yet overlooked Prosfilaes' glaring violations of WP:HARASS? Thanks, Asmodeus 16:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Asmodeus ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
First, I was stalked to Academic Elitism by one "Haldane Fisher". This account was recognized as bogus and duly blocked. Then User:Prosfilaes immediately moved to capitalize on the situation by following in the footsteps of "Haldane Fisher" and removing all and only my own edits to the page; look at the talk page of the article for background. Obviously, Prosfilaes stalked me to the page in order to continue the fight he had started with me here on exactly the same topic. This is a violation of WP:HARRASS. By the time William M. Connolley got around to blocking me, extensive efforts to resolve the situation had already been made (on the talk page). The block is unfair, unnecessary, and quite possibly retaliatory in nature. (Regarding what Administrator Connolley calls my "spurious 3RR report" about the three (3) reverts committed by User Prosfilaes, it was an honest mistake...I assumed that three reverts, rather than four, constituted a violation.)
Decline reason:
See discussion below. User admits to violating 3RR and states that he thought that even three reverts would have been a violating. Claims of justification are not compelling -- JoshuaZ 19:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/ScienceApologist. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/ScienceApologist/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/ScienceApologist/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, -- Srikeit 21:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
...I noticed in your statement that you listed the three users who suggested arbitration [13] - "Administrators Shell Kinney, Daniel Bryant, and Thatcher131 all recommended arbitration". Just to clear up, I'm actually not an administrator, and I apologise if you percieved me as one - it was not my intention :) Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 23:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
You are involved in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/ScienceApologist/Workshop. It reminds me of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Agapetos angel. I think you would be wise to read it and some of its associated pages. A quote just to get you started: "Agapetos angel and several anonymous editors are suspected to be either him or associated with him." WAS 4.250 22:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
is unacceptable] and is exactly the sort of thing you've been told not to do. Don't continue. JoshuaZ 16:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Response: I'm sorry, JoshuaZ, but in my judgment, that's not a "personal attack". I merely made what I regard as a factual, verifiable statement regarding ScienceApologist's contentious editorial assertions and proposed a little test to which I think he might agree. After all, ScienceApologist seems very, very concerned with credentials and qualifications, to the extent that in exactly that context, he regularly violates WP:HARASS, WP:V, WP:LIVING, and various other policies in plain view of you and other administrators. Surely, in the spirit if not the letter of WP:V, he'd be willing to help us verify his self-proclaimed "expertise"? But of course, if I'm really out of line here, then thanks for setting me straight, and have a nice day. Asmodeus 16:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.
For the Arbitration committee. Thatcher131 02:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that you've repeatedly stated that Langan verifiably accepts evolution. Do you have a citation for this statement? JoshuaZ 00:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Christopher Michael Langan should conform to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Particularly, any controversial information which is not well sourced may be removed. In addition, the article should have a sober balanced tone. It is usually best for the subject or anyone closely associated with him to avoid editing the article, but comments on the talk page are welcome. In instances where persistent negative editing keeps the article in an unbalanced state it may be best to delete the article. Last I looked it seemed OK but I am no student of the subject. Fred Bauder 15:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I should like to make it entirely clear that you are not entitled to any sort of action replay, re-run or second guessing of ArbCom cases. Your typing material into my Talk page, fraught with accusations of bias, matters involving other editors, and claims that I'm ignorant of fact and policy, does not constitute anything that I have to put up with. There is no customary right here of a daily chance to pin down Arbitrators on their votes, and badmouth them. Charles Matthews 15:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.
Asmodeus is indefinitely banned from editing Christopher Michael Langan and all related articles including but not limited to: Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe, Crank (person), and Academic elitism. He may make suggestions on talk pages if he is not disruptive. Asmodeus is also placed on probation indefinitely and is cautioned to be courteous to other users. He may be banned from any article, talk page, or subject area which he disrupts by aggressive biased editing or incivility. All remedies which apply to Asmodeus also apply to DrL and, after warning accompanied by a link to this matter, to any other user with a similar editing pattern. Haldane Fisher and Hal Fisher are banned indefinitely. FeloniousMonk is counseled to consult with other administrators with respect to disruptive users and to cooperate with them in a collegial way. ScienceApologist is counseled to be more patient and diplomatic with users who may edit their own article or advance original research. Bans imposed by this decision may be enforced by appropriate blocks. All blocks to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/ScienceApologist#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.
For the Arbitration Committee -- Srikeit 17:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I think your personal attacks at Talk:Christopher Michael Langan against User:Arthur Rubin are totally uncalled for and disruptive, particularly since you have already been banned from the editing that article Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/ScienceApologist. If you continue to disrupt that article's talk page and attack editors there I'll seek to have enforcement of the ruling extended to cover the article's talk page as well. 151.151.73.165 21:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know that I have made some edits of the entry on Chris Langan, and some comments in the talk page, and that I am currently attempting (in the face of resistance) to remove the section on the lawsuit. FNMF 01:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
You may additionally be interested in this and this. On the other hand, you may have lost all interest in Wikipedia. Anyway, thought I should at least leave a note. FNMF 08:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
For an account of what I believe are important policy issues arising from the problems with the Christopher Michael Langan entry, see here. FNMF 03:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Just in case you missed it, see the reply by Jimbo Wales to the comment by Asmodeus. Mr Wales makes clear he believes the block by FeloniousMonk of FNMF was unwarranted. He also suggests an RfC. My feeling is that if DrL and yourself would like to have the ruling banning you from editing the Langan entry rescinded, now might be a favourable time to get the ball rolling. Of course, it's a huge mountain to climb, but the material which has accrued in the last week adds further weight to the argument (specifically, by the clarity with which Mr Wales has explained the gravity of NOR and BLP violations in relation to the Langan entry). At least if you undertake such a process now, involved users will know that Mr Wales could well be paying attention. But, again, the effort required would be Herculean, if not Sisyphean. FNMF 23:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, I would be interested to know what you thought of the section "On Wikipedia," to which I have recently added a paragraph, and which is located on my UserPage. FNMF 00:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has rendered decisions passing a motion to apply discretionary sanctions remedies to the case linked above. Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict ("articles which relate to pseudoscience, broadly interpreted") if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process.
The final text of the motions can be found at the case page linked above.
— Coren (talk) for the Arbitration Committee, 14:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
How much potential do you think there is in the work of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey
what if energy was the unbound telesis? Subtlevirtue ( talk) 00:11, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Dear Langan, I would like some peer review for my research https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Theological_correlates
Subtlevirtue ( talk) 20:40, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
why did you plagiarize me in your last publication?
"As an identity, M can be considered one coherent entity which self-differentiates by syndiffeonic self-stratification through the cumulative factorization of telesis, a dual generalization of energy properly defined to serve as the ultimate "stuff" of reality." https://cosmosandhistory.org/index.php/journal/article/view/618 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subtlevirtue ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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With regards to your comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. "Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users." Please keep this in mind while editing. Thanks.
Much as I hate making this sort of thing official, your comments about myself, Byrgenwulf and Jeffire on the above-mentioned AfD have, in my opinion, crossed the line. WP:NPA refers. Tevildo 01:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Response Pardon me, but I just noticed your message.
Byrgenwulf has been making unsupported, unverifiable attacks on the topic of this article. Indeed, in clear violation of Wikipedia policy regarding neutrality and verifiability, both of you have been attacking the content, or topic, of the article rather than the article itself. All that the article has to do is faithfully report what appeared in the press and was written by Langan; given the clear notability of the content, you have no right whatsoever to carp and complain about it, at least in the capacity of Wikipedia editors acting in good faith. All you can do is report what other sufficiently notable people have said about the theory in sufficiently reputable and verifiable sources. If you choose to carp and complain anyway, particularly in a way that influences how the article is edited - after all, voting for deletion amounts to attempting to edit the article, right out of existence in fact, and likewise for encouraging others to vote as you do - then you are yourself in contempt of Wikipedia policy, and it is hypocritical of you to complain when you get the worst of it.
Instead of supporting his (and your) claims, as is your editorial responsibility, Byrgenwulf ignored his responsibility and attempted to infuse his attacks with authority by claiming to be a professional philosopher of physics. He did this both voluntarily and dishonestly, and that is now a proven fact. Once you have been shown to be something, that's it - anybody can point it out, as many times as he or she likes. If Byrgenwulf has been shown to be dishonest, or not an expert as he claims to be, anyone is free to state as much whenever convenient. Wikipedia policy is not just something that people like Byrgenwulf, and you, and jeffire, can point to when you don't like the way things are going for you, but then ignore whenever you can get away with it. It is something that applies to you as well.
Incidentally, although you may think that I find your supercilious comments about philosophy impressive, this is anything but the case. Quite the opposite, in fact. I am quite certain, on the basis of your snide and shallow comments, that your level of philosophical understanding is nothing to respect. In fact, it may even be as deficient as Byrgenwulf's own. Please bear this in mind as you attempt to do the Wikipedia community, and the world at large, a monumental disservice by attacking a valuable, informative, and well-referenced article on a notable topic just to strike a blow for your own inability to comprehend it while meanwhile advancing your own opinions. Truly, this is a black mark on your record. Asmodeus 03:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
The third paragraph of your answer consists of personal attacks, which were already made clear to you as being in violation of Wikipedia's policy. If you need, please do consult that policy once again and give it some further reading:
WP:NPA. Thank you.
Apeximius
07:54, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Please refrain from making personal attacks, this is a blockable offense, see WP:NPA. And especially stop using th edit summary to make personal attacks. -- Pjacobi 19:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Let me refresh your memory.
pjacobi: Delete - one person's theory, not in any way in contact with academic reserach. --Pjacobi 13:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
My response: Who cares how many people wrote it, or whether it is "in contact with academic reserach"? If you want to read about things that are "in contact with academic reserach", you should subscribe to academic journals. Wikipedia is not an appendage of academia, and the CTMU nowhere relies on "contact with academic reserach" to make its points. Please, let's keep our eyes on the ball here. Asmodeus 15:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Now please read carefully.
1. Most theories are written by one person; others are free to utilize them (or not) in their own work later on down the line, as they choose. That others have not yet chosen to do so need not reflect on the theory or its applicability to important issues, particularly given the polarization associated with the central focus of the scholastic journal in which the CTMU was published. This is not necessarily a reflection on the theory; it is more likely pertinent to the philosophical assumptions under which others are working, which - inasmuch as we are, after all, talking about philosophy - may ultimately lead nowhere. Indeed, it may merely mean that other scholars are unfamiliar with the theory because they only pay attention to a narrow or professionally closed set of sources. You have improperly recommended this article for deletion on those grounds, and that was wrong of you as a Wikipedia editor.
This leads us to
2. It makes no difference whether a theory is "notable to academic researchers" (whether or not this is the case). It has been patiently explained to you that academics are not the ones who make this particular theory notable; it is notable because it was covered by highly reputable sources in the popular media, and because it has a remarkable structure that no other theory possesses. Again, citing the superficially apparent inattention of academia as grounds for deletion was irresponsible of you as a Wikipedia editor.
You have voted to delete an informative, well-verified article about a notable topic on irrelevant or nebulous grounds for which you have no verification. In so doing, you have let Wikipedia and its readership down. Please be more responsible about your editing activities in the future. Asmodeus 21:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Again? [2] -- Pjacobi 22:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Others also violating policy is no excuse. If you want to to report specific incidents, please give me or another admin a diff to the incident. You can also use Wikipedia:Personal attack intervention noticeboard. oh, you were already reported there, I see. Anyway, regarding abuse in edit comments, your contributions clearly stand out [3]. -- Pjacobi 23:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
As you have guessed, I've warned nobody else. It was the attack in your edit summary that caught my eye. I checked whether the posting you were responding to was an attack and judged it not be. My actions as admin are unrelated to my actions as editor (like contributing to AfD -- it's not a vote actually). For this reason I'll most likely (read: if no immediate response is required) I have to involve another admin for deciding to actually block you. -- Pjacobi 00:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
These remarks, [4] [5] [6] [7] violate Wikipedia policies on personal attacks and civility. This kind of language becomes disruptive very quickly. Please don't do this any more, or it may be neccessary to temporarily suspend your editing privileges. Tom Harrison Talk 01:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The incivil hostility of these remarks is disruptive. [8] [9] I'm blocking you for twenty-four hours. When you come back, please take more care with your words. Tom Harrison Talk 01:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
You're making a personal judgment call, and it's a bad one. In at least two of those comments, I was being positively moderate. In no case was anyone personally attacked, called names, or treated in any way that wouldn't have flown on any other site but this one. You're protecting miscreants, probably out of personal bias, and In my humble opinion, you're totally out of line. Just thought I'd let you know. Asmodeus 05:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Editors like Tom make me want to close Wikipedia for good. The double standard evident throughout this encyclopedia is embarrassing. Tom - Try to work out a less condescending way of criticizing others, please. Your words read as passive aggressive, arrogant and, again, condescending. This is completely unnecessary and obviously, inevitably, results in fueling arguments rather than resolving them. CanisLupisArctus ( talk) 22:29, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
As you have edited the article on the Mega Society, I wish to inform you it is up for deletion. I saw that you are active in the debate over the deletion of the CTMU article. Although I am not completely certain, I am suspicious that Byrgenwulf and Jefffire have put the Mega Society article up for deletion because of its (now tenuous) link with Christopher Langan and the CTMU. I mean no disrespect, but, especially since you have gotten into trouble with admins in the past, please be circumspect in your posts in both debates. It does not help our argument to even appear to be making personal attacks. — Tox 09:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts to save CTMU. No one can say we didn't try. You might want to add your opinion to the deletion review. Thanks again. Tim Smith 21:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
You seem to be a big fan of this CTMU thingie. I have to ask: are you by any chance Christopher Michael Langan IRL?
If so, as a matter of common courtesy, I think you need to disclose this on the talk page when you edit articles like Christopher Michael Langan or Mega Foundation. If challenged, this would help you make a case that your edits are in good faith. Wikipedia currently has a huge problem with vanity cruft, so many users are apt to become concerned when they see edits which suggest a possible undisclosed personal interest in slanting a WP article in some direction.--- CH 23:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I am going to assume that you were merely very confused. When an admin closes a log, one does not reopen it to add additional comments. Refer to the recently concluded section of the main DRV page for the result: in the case of CTMU, that result is "Deletion endorsed".
Repeated reversion of administrative closures would be grounds for a block; I'm sure your action today was a simple accident, though. Best wishes, Xoloz 23:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Asmodeus, you will probably be interested in this MfD. --- CH 23:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I notice that you've edited a few philosophy articles. Have you considered joining the
Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy? It is an effort to coordinate the work of Wikipedians who are knowledgeable about philosophy in an effort to improve the general quality and range of Wikipedia articles on philosophical topics.
DrL
21:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
You obviously already know about Wikipedia's policies on personal attacks and incivility, since you've been blocked for this kind of behaviour before. These edits ( [10], [11]), among many others, I regard as being unduly offensive, not to mention completely off-topic. Please stop this disruptive behaviour now. Thanks. Byrgenwulf 22:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Would you consider accepting me as your advocate for the case? This would allow us to present a consistent, coherent argument, rather than two separate arguments. -- David Mestel( Talk) 07:02, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Response Of course I'd consider it. I would, however, ask that you make very sure that you have enough spare time to actually pursue the case. I'd also ask you to understand that User Hillman's behavior has flipped over a rotten log here at Wikipedia, and that I have no intention of either ignoring what is underneath it or allowing Hillman to extract concessions of any kind without making important concessions of its own.
I don't know whether you're familiar with the full history of this dispute. But to make a long story short, an utter mockery was made of Wikipedia and its guidelines by a certain militant faction as it engaged in a vicious but comically misguided attempt to sabotage and/or delete a handful of articles related to a certain notable person and his equally notable ideas. This group was led by two people, User Hillman and an intellectually incompetent, ethically unconstrained newbie. As I see it, User Hillman, probably being old enough to know better and having a bit more upstairs, bears most of the responsibility.
This attempt, which involved various glaring abuses of Wikipedia policy, childish errors of classification, and lopsided, blame-the-victims administrative intervention (see above), was all the more comical for its bizarre success. However, I'm not laughing, because it wasted a lot of my time. Thus, I don't think that User Hillman should skate away clean. At the very least, they/he/she/it must agree to stay away from DrL and me, period, and agree not to mount any more soapboxes or mindlessly incite any more mob action against us or our editorial activities (which are, after all, well in accord with Wikipedia policy and guidelines, and probably well over Hillman's head as well).
Needless to say, the removal of all personal material regarding DrL and me is absolutely non-negotiable. All that is open for negotiation are the conditions under which this will occur. If these stipulations are agreeable to you, let me know...and in any event, thanks. Asmodeus 19:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Comment: Hello, David. I note that on Hillman's Talk page, somebody has remarked that early in the discussion, I mentioned a couple of details regarding the personal identity of Byrgenwulf. The reason: in attempting to lend weight to his attack on the CTMU article, Byrgenwulf had claimed to "work professionally in the field (of the philosophy of physics)".
Inasmuch as Byrgenwulf thereby invited others to perceive him as a professional philosopher of physics, and his attack on the CTMU as a "professional" judgment by a qualified authority, I needed to set the record straight. There was only one way to do this: to make note of the truth - that Byrgenwulf is merely a college student - and give the means of verification (an Internet search on "Byrgenwulf"). At the time, I was unfamiliar with some of the rules of the site; I was only aware that Byrgenwulf was being dishonest in a way calculated to sway the issue, and that somebody needed to do something about it. Indeed, since there seems to be no other way to refute false claims of expertise or professional status on the parts of personally or ideologically motivated vandals, this amounts to a "hole" in Wikipedia policy...a hole through which Byrgenwulf himself compelled me to step.
Also, I see that KSmrq has inserted his(?) personal bloviations regarding the Hillman Affair on Hillman's Talk page. I have requested (on KSmrq's own Talk page) that he stay out of the discussion. It might help if at some point, you were to point out that declarations of partiality, shows of solidarity, slant-edited conversations, and outright counterfactual nonsense are irrelevant to the negotiations and should be posted elsewhere. This will obviate any need for a personal response from me on Hillman's Talk page. Thanks, Asmodeus 16:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
It would be helpful if, while I'm advocating for you, you could refrain from leaving comments on other users' talk pages or Hillman's talk page expressing your frank opinion on their conduct, as it is counterproductive to our case. Thanks. -- David Mestel( Talk) 07:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Please stop speculating about Hillman's RL identity and otherwise verbally assualting him - it really doesn't help any. It would be helpful if you would let me conduct the negotiations on my own. -- David Mestel( Talk) 06:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm going on holiday from today until Saturday 26th August, so please address any inquiries to Steve Caruso in my absence. Thanks, David Mestel( Talk) 06:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
David left a message on my talk page that concerns you. In case my page is not on your watchlist, I am letting you know. Just FYI ... -- DrL 19:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Hillman has indicated that he is not prepared to continue with negotiations until you have explicitly agreed to the following four conditions:
If those are acceptable to you, please indicate by posting "I agree" below. Thanks, David Mestel( Talk) 17:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
It is courteous, I think, to inform you that there is a Request for Comment open on your behaviour. You can comment, here. Byrgenwulf 17:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
The edits to which you drew my attention are intemperate, perhaps, but they do not constitute personal attacks, in my judgment, because no person or editor is named, nor is any indicated by linking. On leaving, editors will sometimes make intemperate statements; so long as these are not directed against any particular editor, they generally are allowed to stand. You may nominate the page for deletion if you wish, at MfD, but I decline to speedy delete it, as it does not appear to constitute a personal attack. Best wishes, Xoloz 19:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
This arbitration case might interest you. Tim Smith 03:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Asmodeus. Now it very well may be that your understanding of the theory in question is deeper than mine -- I don't know and won't presume to know how many times you've read the key paper on it, but it seems to me, from the very first sentence of the abstract of that paper is the model's self declaration as a meta-model enclosing a philosophy of science, rather than as a "science instance":
Inasmuch as science is observational or perceptual in nature, the goal of providing a scientific model and mechanism for the evolution of complex systems ultimately requires a supporting theory of reality of which perception itself is the model (or theory-to-universe mapping).
To my dull mind, that reads:
Science observes and perceives reality, and to that end, needs a supporting meta-structure above it that includes the notion of perception, if the scientific model is then going to map to observable reality.
Further to this, in that same abstract, the model discussed in the paper then self-represents as follows:
By the nature of its derivation, this theory, ..., can be regarded as a supertautological reality-theoretic extension of logic.
In other words (in my dull mind at least):
The theory expounded upon in the present paper is an extension to formal logic that allows for the definition of the tautologies [that is, the self-evident truths] in those submodels it encompasses and proposes to regulate.
Now, since you very well may grok it better than I have here -- to me that is clear as the nose on my face. The meta-model proposed suggests not that it is science, but that by including a notion of perceptional feedback, allows us (for some value of "us") to formally and symbolically test a proposed theory candidate against standard methods of logical symbol manipulation to see if the candidate theory is self-consistent and itself can hold in a larger, all-encompassing system.
That is, if I wished to propose a "theory of economics", I could test that theory itself to see if it is broken within its own axioms, against a higher order theory of what makes theories in general tenable.
Should I take up origami, or is this also close to your own understanding of the theory's self-declaration?
It seems to me the theory of theory in question is presenting itself as a benchmark of theories, scientific and otherwise, not as a fixed-point contained (instantiated) theory. That is -- it's presenting itself as having the necessary ingredients to know if the recipe for baking a cake is tenable, not as a cake, and not as a recipe for a cake, but as a recipe-test. (Addendum: and moreover, it contains within it mechanisms such that it can reflexivy test itself as it begins to contain more recipes, in order to avoid becoming muddied should tripe somehow locally have a better value than some better soup, such that pragmatically acceptable elements later need to be replaced with better recipes as knowledge evolves to observation. This being required of a ToE because we observe free will, and thus the meta-theory must account for telesis-shifts -- that is, goals change and thus what is "acceptable" in a theoretic system now may not be as our free will is exercised to require stricter theories in future.)
-- QTJ 16:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Further groping factored out to avoid a content-based discussion. -- QTJ
Hey there. Figured you might grok this. BTW -- no skin off my nose if you agree with me that this section I started on your talk page might have outlived the purpose of my clarifying my muddled brain a bit on some of the concerns. Feel free to shove it into the history bin as a refactor if you want. Cheers. -- QTJ 09:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I strongly suggest you read WP:AUTO which discourages the editing of subjects one is personally involved in. JoshuaZ 20:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I think you came in a bit late. Fred Bauder 23:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for making a statement in an Arbitration application on Requests for arbitration. We ask all participants and commentators to limit the size of their initial statements to 500 words. Please trim your statement. If the case is accepted, you will have the opportunity to present more evidence. Neat, concisely presented statements are much more likely to be understood and to influence the decisions of the arbitrators.
For the Arbitration Committee. Arbitration Clerk FloNight 20:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Question: Hello, William. I notice that you've blocked me, and also that you are a member of WikiProject:Pseudoscience, a couple of whose members have recently been harassing me. I also note that you have not blocked user Prosfilaes, who pursued me to the page in question for the obvious purpose of harassment - although none of the pro-or-con arguments in that article is specifically referenced, he/she used referencing as a pretext for removing all and only those arguments added by me, after previously picking a fight with me regarding this very topic here. Why are you allowing this to happen? Specifically, why do you seem to be censuring one party in this disagreement while letting the other run away free? A brief review of the talk page for the article should have told you what's up, and your skewed enforcement in this case makes it look as though you are an active partisan of user Prosfilaes...or worse yet, that you are a partisan of ScienceApologist, against whom I was recently forced to request arbitration. Would you mind explaining why you've decided to block me for a perfectly justifiable series of reverts, yet overlooked Prosfilaes' glaring violations of WP:HARASS? Thanks, Asmodeus 16:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Asmodeus ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
First, I was stalked to Academic Elitism by one "Haldane Fisher". This account was recognized as bogus and duly blocked. Then User:Prosfilaes immediately moved to capitalize on the situation by following in the footsteps of "Haldane Fisher" and removing all and only my own edits to the page; look at the talk page of the article for background. Obviously, Prosfilaes stalked me to the page in order to continue the fight he had started with me here on exactly the same topic. This is a violation of WP:HARRASS. By the time William M. Connolley got around to blocking me, extensive efforts to resolve the situation had already been made (on the talk page). The block is unfair, unnecessary, and quite possibly retaliatory in nature. (Regarding what Administrator Connolley calls my "spurious 3RR report" about the three (3) reverts committed by User Prosfilaes, it was an honest mistake...I assumed that three reverts, rather than four, constituted a violation.)
Decline reason:
See discussion below. User admits to violating 3RR and states that he thought that even three reverts would have been a violating. Claims of justification are not compelling -- JoshuaZ 19:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/ScienceApologist. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/ScienceApologist/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/ScienceApologist/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, -- Srikeit 21:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
...I noticed in your statement that you listed the three users who suggested arbitration [13] - "Administrators Shell Kinney, Daniel Bryant, and Thatcher131 all recommended arbitration". Just to clear up, I'm actually not an administrator, and I apologise if you percieved me as one - it was not my intention :) Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 23:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
You are involved in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/ScienceApologist/Workshop. It reminds me of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Agapetos angel. I think you would be wise to read it and some of its associated pages. A quote just to get you started: "Agapetos angel and several anonymous editors are suspected to be either him or associated with him." WAS 4.250 22:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
is unacceptable] and is exactly the sort of thing you've been told not to do. Don't continue. JoshuaZ 16:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Response: I'm sorry, JoshuaZ, but in my judgment, that's not a "personal attack". I merely made what I regard as a factual, verifiable statement regarding ScienceApologist's contentious editorial assertions and proposed a little test to which I think he might agree. After all, ScienceApologist seems very, very concerned with credentials and qualifications, to the extent that in exactly that context, he regularly violates WP:HARASS, WP:V, WP:LIVING, and various other policies in plain view of you and other administrators. Surely, in the spirit if not the letter of WP:V, he'd be willing to help us verify his self-proclaimed "expertise"? But of course, if I'm really out of line here, then thanks for setting me straight, and have a nice day. Asmodeus 16:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.
For the Arbitration committee. Thatcher131 02:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that you've repeatedly stated that Langan verifiably accepts evolution. Do you have a citation for this statement? JoshuaZ 00:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Christopher Michael Langan should conform to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Particularly, any controversial information which is not well sourced may be removed. In addition, the article should have a sober balanced tone. It is usually best for the subject or anyone closely associated with him to avoid editing the article, but comments on the talk page are welcome. In instances where persistent negative editing keeps the article in an unbalanced state it may be best to delete the article. Last I looked it seemed OK but I am no student of the subject. Fred Bauder 15:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I should like to make it entirely clear that you are not entitled to any sort of action replay, re-run or second guessing of ArbCom cases. Your typing material into my Talk page, fraught with accusations of bias, matters involving other editors, and claims that I'm ignorant of fact and policy, does not constitute anything that I have to put up with. There is no customary right here of a daily chance to pin down Arbitrators on their votes, and badmouth them. Charles Matthews 15:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.
Asmodeus is indefinitely banned from editing Christopher Michael Langan and all related articles including but not limited to: Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe, Crank (person), and Academic elitism. He may make suggestions on talk pages if he is not disruptive. Asmodeus is also placed on probation indefinitely and is cautioned to be courteous to other users. He may be banned from any article, talk page, or subject area which he disrupts by aggressive biased editing or incivility. All remedies which apply to Asmodeus also apply to DrL and, after warning accompanied by a link to this matter, to any other user with a similar editing pattern. Haldane Fisher and Hal Fisher are banned indefinitely. FeloniousMonk is counseled to consult with other administrators with respect to disruptive users and to cooperate with them in a collegial way. ScienceApologist is counseled to be more patient and diplomatic with users who may edit their own article or advance original research. Bans imposed by this decision may be enforced by appropriate blocks. All blocks to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/ScienceApologist#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.
For the Arbitration Committee -- Srikeit 17:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I think your personal attacks at Talk:Christopher Michael Langan against User:Arthur Rubin are totally uncalled for and disruptive, particularly since you have already been banned from the editing that article Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/ScienceApologist. If you continue to disrupt that article's talk page and attack editors there I'll seek to have enforcement of the ruling extended to cover the article's talk page as well. 151.151.73.165 21:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know that I have made some edits of the entry on Chris Langan, and some comments in the talk page, and that I am currently attempting (in the face of resistance) to remove the section on the lawsuit. FNMF 01:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
You may additionally be interested in this and this. On the other hand, you may have lost all interest in Wikipedia. Anyway, thought I should at least leave a note. FNMF 08:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
For an account of what I believe are important policy issues arising from the problems with the Christopher Michael Langan entry, see here. FNMF 03:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Just in case you missed it, see the reply by Jimbo Wales to the comment by Asmodeus. Mr Wales makes clear he believes the block by FeloniousMonk of FNMF was unwarranted. He also suggests an RfC. My feeling is that if DrL and yourself would like to have the ruling banning you from editing the Langan entry rescinded, now might be a favourable time to get the ball rolling. Of course, it's a huge mountain to climb, but the material which has accrued in the last week adds further weight to the argument (specifically, by the clarity with which Mr Wales has explained the gravity of NOR and BLP violations in relation to the Langan entry). At least if you undertake such a process now, involved users will know that Mr Wales could well be paying attention. But, again, the effort required would be Herculean, if not Sisyphean. FNMF 23:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, I would be interested to know what you thought of the section "On Wikipedia," to which I have recently added a paragraph, and which is located on my UserPage. FNMF 00:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has rendered decisions passing a motion to apply discretionary sanctions remedies to the case linked above. Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict ("articles which relate to pseudoscience, broadly interpreted") if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process.
The final text of the motions can be found at the case page linked above.
— Coren (talk) for the Arbitration Committee, 14:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
How much potential do you think there is in the work of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey
what if energy was the unbound telesis? Subtlevirtue ( talk) 00:11, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Dear Langan, I would like some peer review for my research https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Theological_correlates
Subtlevirtue ( talk) 20:40, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
why did you plagiarize me in your last publication?
"As an identity, M can be considered one coherent entity which self-differentiates by syndiffeonic self-stratification through the cumulative factorization of telesis, a dual generalization of energy properly defined to serve as the ultimate "stuff" of reality." https://cosmosandhistory.org/index.php/journal/article/view/618 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subtlevirtue ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 28 November 2017 (UTC)