![]() | The following edit-warring report [was proven to be erroneous], falsely representing a beneficial addition as a revert. |
Your recent editing history at Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Andrewgprout ( talk) 05:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Despite all the evidence, OPs' more serious edit-warring, and disruptive actions were ignored. According to
WP:EW "Where multiple editors edit war or breach 3RR, administrators should consider all sides". This did not happen.
I've quit edit-warring with OPs before making the ANI report – 13 hours before being blocked (
EW block proven to be unjustified), the last revert was made by the reporting OP. According to
WP:EW "[blocks] are intended to prevent, deter and encourage change in disruptive behavior, not to punish it." There was no edit-warring on my part after that, thus the block was not necessitated by policies.
Edit: add digest — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 22:45, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
— Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 05:53, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on
edit warring. Thank you.
Marc Lacoste (
talk)
16:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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Marc made mistakes in filing the EW report. Diff 1 was not a revert, but my actual contribution, which Andrew and Marc warred together. The remaining 4 reverts happened in 3 days, that's standard content dispute. It took 2 reverts, before Andrew followed policy, and replied on the talk page. Marc himself made 8 reverts to 2 editors in the last week, 3 of which in one day, and engaged in 3 "edit wars". The ANI report also lists the diff that shows Andrew hounded my edit. They demonstrated hostilities, a threat, disruptive editing. Please review the AN/I report, which lists 11 reverts in 3 edit wars, opposing 4 of my reverts on the AN/EW report. It is clear they initiated the edit wars in all cases. Thank you. — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 20:40, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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Thank you for considering this. — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 22:22, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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Procedural decline only, block is expired. 331dot ( talk) 19:24, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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Sorry, but if multiple editors revert you, the thing to do isn't to revert them back multiple times. Even if you don't technically violate 3RR — I'm not gonna allow it to be gamed.
El_C
20:48, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
@ El C: Although I was very far from breaking the rules, this is not about the technicality of 3RR. Andrew started the edit war by reverting my useful contribution 3 minutes after I edited, on a page that he never edited before. For 3 days he did nothing else, but revert my edits. After his first revert I initiated dispute resolution on the talk page, which he did not reply to for 2 reverts. When he replied, he made a threat. This is a clear case of hounding.
Please reopen the AN/I report, and punish the real perpetrators. The "multiple editors" were Marc and Andrew only. Both of them reverted my edits days before, it seems they are holding a grudge. The fact that Marc supported Andrew in this edit war, which he had nothing to do with, just makes the case worse. Marc had engaged in 3 edit wars in the last week, doing 3 reverts just in 24 hours on one occasion. That's more serious violation than my 4 reverts in 3 days. Marc and Andrew both have been blocked before, and have multiple warnings to refrain from edit warring and disruptive edits. It is clear, they disregard WP policies of WP:CONSENSUS, WP:5P4, WP:BITE, WP:HOUND, WP:!HERE.
Thank you. — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 21:19, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure you show that you do understand, though. Because even if, as you say, you will drop this particular addition, if you then go to yet another aviation article and repeat these types of edits (overreliance on primary sources), are we gonna see the same thing happen all over again? That's the question I'm asking. El_C 22:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Please review this block and conduct dispute between me and 2 editors.
I was part of an edit war: I re-added an insignificant source 4 times in 3 days. 2 editors reverted it with wrong reasons 5 times.
I've proven my edits are in line with policies, the editors reverting it had no proper reason to do so (see answers above).
I believe 4 edits in 3 days in opposite of 5 reverts do not warrant a block. Note: the
[AN/EW report] erroneously lists my original contribution as a revert.
The reverts:
The 2 editors were repeatedly reverting my addition on another page before, this led to the protection of the page:
One of the editors engaged in another EW earlier, making 1 addition and 3 reverts in 24 hours:
I've filed [an AN/I report] ( current) to end the disruptive reverts listed above. The AN/EW report was filed half a day later, but it was more concise, thus the AN/I report was not read. Please review the [AN/I report], to address the disruption caused by these edit wars. 4 contributing editors could not work on the protected article for 4 days because of these events. One editwarring editor - Marc - made few edits to the page, but Andrew did not contribute to these pages at all.
Both editors were blocked before for edit warring, and their talk pages list many EW warnings, some of them is listed above on this page.
Marc Lacoste (
talk ·
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filter log ·
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block log)
Andrewgprout (
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Thank you. — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 03:17, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
How to resolve this situation? I made
[an AN/Incidents report] (
current) of 11 disruptive reverts in a week, that was closed without having been read. First it was ignored for half a day, then OP made
[an AN/EW report] against me re-adding a reference 4 times in 3 days, very far from 3RR violation. In a few hours I got a 24h block, and the clear evidence of OPs' 11 edit warring edits was dismissed with the response: "No, I will not reopen the ANI request, which I admit freely I did not review".
Thank you for any suggestions. The topic being contentious, the feedback of more editors is expected. — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) <span style="color:#888 talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:06, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, but as indicated, these are now stale. For future reference, it's better to report edit warring on AN3 —as they happen— rather than bring it to ANI, where lengthy reports are less likely to be reviewed. El_C 02:31, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
![]() | The following edit-warring report [was proven to be erroneous], falsely representing a beneficial addition as a revert. |
Your recent editing history at Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Andrewgprout ( talk) 05:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Despite all the evidence, OPs' more serious edit-warring, and disruptive actions were ignored. According to
WP:EW "Where multiple editors edit war or breach 3RR, administrators should consider all sides". This did not happen.
I've quit edit-warring with OPs before making the ANI report – 13 hours before being blocked (
EW block proven to be unjustified), the last revert was made by the reporting OP. According to
WP:EW "[blocks] are intended to prevent, deter and encourage change in disruptive behavior, not to punish it." There was no edit-warring on my part after that, thus the block was not necessitated by policies.
Edit: add digest — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 22:45, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
— Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 05:53, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on
edit warring. Thank you.
Marc Lacoste (
talk)
16:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
. To editor El C:
Aron Manning ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Marc made mistakes in filing the EW report. Diff 1 was not a revert, but my actual contribution, which Andrew and Marc warred together. The remaining 4 reverts happened in 3 days, that's standard content dispute. It took 2 reverts, before Andrew followed policy, and replied on the talk page. Marc himself made 8 reverts to 2 editors in the last week, 3 of which in one day, and engaged in 3 "edit wars". The ANI report also lists the diff that shows Andrew hounded my edit. They demonstrated hostilities, a threat, disruptive editing. Please review the AN/I report, which lists 11 reverts in 3 edit wars, opposing 4 of my reverts on the AN/EW report. It is clear they initiated the edit wars in all cases. Thank you. — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 20:40, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
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Thank you for considering this. — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 22:22, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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Procedural decline only, block is expired. 331dot ( talk) 19:24, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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Sorry, but if multiple editors revert you, the thing to do isn't to revert them back multiple times. Even if you don't technically violate 3RR — I'm not gonna allow it to be gamed.
El_C
20:48, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
@ El C: Although I was very far from breaking the rules, this is not about the technicality of 3RR. Andrew started the edit war by reverting my useful contribution 3 minutes after I edited, on a page that he never edited before. For 3 days he did nothing else, but revert my edits. After his first revert I initiated dispute resolution on the talk page, which he did not reply to for 2 reverts. When he replied, he made a threat. This is a clear case of hounding.
Please reopen the AN/I report, and punish the real perpetrators. The "multiple editors" were Marc and Andrew only. Both of them reverted my edits days before, it seems they are holding a grudge. The fact that Marc supported Andrew in this edit war, which he had nothing to do with, just makes the case worse. Marc had engaged in 3 edit wars in the last week, doing 3 reverts just in 24 hours on one occasion. That's more serious violation than my 4 reverts in 3 days. Marc and Andrew both have been blocked before, and have multiple warnings to refrain from edit warring and disruptive edits. It is clear, they disregard WP policies of WP:CONSENSUS, WP:5P4, WP:BITE, WP:HOUND, WP:!HERE.
Thank you. — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 21:19, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure you show that you do understand, though. Because even if, as you say, you will drop this particular addition, if you then go to yet another aviation article and repeat these types of edits (overreliance on primary sources), are we gonna see the same thing happen all over again? That's the question I'm asking. El_C 22:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Please review this block and conduct dispute between me and 2 editors.
I was part of an edit war: I re-added an insignificant source 4 times in 3 days. 2 editors reverted it with wrong reasons 5 times.
I've proven my edits are in line with policies, the editors reverting it had no proper reason to do so (see answers above).
I believe 4 edits in 3 days in opposite of 5 reverts do not warrant a block. Note: the
[AN/EW report] erroneously lists my original contribution as a revert.
The reverts:
The 2 editors were repeatedly reverting my addition on another page before, this led to the protection of the page:
One of the editors engaged in another EW earlier, making 1 addition and 3 reverts in 24 hours:
I've filed [an AN/I report] ( current) to end the disruptive reverts listed above. The AN/EW report was filed half a day later, but it was more concise, thus the AN/I report was not read. Please review the [AN/I report], to address the disruption caused by these edit wars. 4 contributing editors could not work on the protected article for 4 days because of these events. One editwarring editor - Marc - made few edits to the page, but Andrew did not contribute to these pages at all.
Both editors were blocked before for edit warring, and their talk pages list many EW warnings, some of them is listed above on this page.
Marc Lacoste (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
logs ·
filter log ·
block user ·
block log)
Andrewgprout (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
logs ·
filter log ·
block user ·
block log)
Thank you. — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) 03:17, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
How to resolve this situation? I made
[an AN/Incidents report] (
current) of 11 disruptive reverts in a week, that was closed without having been read. First it was ignored for half a day, then OP made
[an AN/EW report] against me re-adding a reference 4 times in 3 days, very far from 3RR violation. In a few hours I got a 24h block, and the clear evidence of OPs' 11 edit warring edits was dismissed with the response: "No, I will not reopen the ANI request, which I admit freely I did not review".
Thank you for any suggestions. The topic being contentious, the feedback of more editors is expected. — Aron M🍂 (🛄📤) <span style="color:#888 talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:06, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, but as indicated, these are now stale. For future reference, it's better to report edit warring on AN3 —as they happen— rather than bring it to ANI, where lengthy reports are less likely to be reviewed. El_C 02:31, 28 May 2019 (UTC)