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Asher Heimermann
20:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. You may not have noticed, but there's an entire article called Atlantis in art, literature and popular culture. Your paragraph about the Rifts RPG would fit better there. I suggest moving what you wrote to Atlantis in art, literature and popular culture and leave something shorter in the Atlantis article along the lines of "Atlantis is featured in Rifts and other role-playing games." Thanks for your contributions. Shaundakulbara 02:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I think you are making some worthwhile arguments on the talk page. I hope you understand if I don't join the fray. We have been doing this kind of discussion thing for a long time now and I must be up to a million keystrokes that went nowhere. Right now I just want to see how the ArbCom goes, and when the articles are unlocked and I feel it is safe, begin to actually start adding content from peer-reviewed journals and other wiki-friendly sources. I kind of hope that with the mediator and people like yourself, some of the more extreme approaches of presenting things may be curtailed, and I wish upon a star that some of the other endemic problems will somehow vanish like so many wisps of smoke. Anyway, enough of that. You may have already encountered something like this, or maybe I am even aggravating things, but I feel that I do not understand when you mention that Falun Gong has cultiness, in your experience. I don't know what contact you have with Falun Gong, so I suppose it would be meaningless to discuss things along those lines, and your experiences are now your own, but I just want to say that never felt anything like that from when I didn't understand Dafa to now considering myself a practitioner. I assume by cultiness you mean like, I am not sure exactly, but I guess secretiveness, umm, actually, I don't know what you mean, maybe like strangeness, you think it is strange to you? I am not sure what you mean, to be honest. Anyway, it has some bad kind of significance. So I will just say that I think Falun Gong is wonderful, and that since I first came into contact with practitioners, no one asked me for anything, asked me to do anything, told me that I could not do anything, asked me for money, expected that I give them money, etc. etc.. There were some old Chinese people who could not speak english and just smiled at me and said "hello! hello!", and a friendly youngish couple with twins who held the Fa-study at their house, as well as some other Chinese people with various backgrounds. For maybe 8 months I thought they were a rather friendly, if slightly misguided bunch. Anyway, I just did the exercises and read the book caused I liked them and felt good about them. I had approached things in an intellectual way, using complicated ways of thinking and justifications. I still have that, but now I don't do a lot of drugs, listen to chaotic music (drum n bass, jungle, etc.), watch porn, drink and smoke myself stupid on a regular basis, not care about other people etc.--I am just saying some good things that have resulted from me practicing Dafa. I can't site any bad things, obviously. Maybe you have heard some kinds of things like this from a practitioner before. I would just like to say it from my perspective anyway. When people don't want to learn Dafa I don't care. When people say they think Dafa is bad I just try to say this kind of thing, to tell them that in my experience it is not bad. I hope that you do not think Dafa is bad, but merely that you think it doesn't suit your taste, if you know what I mean.-- Asdfg 12345 02:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Arek, I made changes to my reply to you before noticing your response. Most of these changes are stylistic, I toned down my criticism against you. Two important changes are: 1) my response to your Christian Science argument and 2) my response to your personal attack-like comments. The passages of these changes are displayed below for your convenience. I also added this passage regarding Falun Gong suppression of critics—-The Falun Gong even demanded the government to step in to suppress freedom of the press: “Since this program will jeopardize the social stability in China and bring benefits only to the very few with ulterior motives at the expense of the good people at large, we Falun Gong practitioners sincerely hope that the governments at each level will prevent the airing of this slanderous program.”
1) The Chinese Constitution emphasizes protecting public health and order; the ban is perfectly legal in China. Religions like Christian Science and cults like Falun Gong that preach abandonment of medical treatment enjoy legal protection in the US. But in China where there is no such tradition (no traditional Chinese religion has ever preached that) this kind of practice is seen as dangerous and unlawful. The Chinese have the right to govern their country according to their tradition and law, provided that it does not violate the UN human rights Covenants. Do you have any right to demand the Chinese adapt to American values? Why stop at China, why not demand the whole world to adapt to American values?
2) Now I am going to respond to your personal attack-like comments. You said the following:
Arek, these insults say a lot about you. I bet you like to put down anyone who agrees with the Chinese government on anything and call him an apologist for the Chinese government. By any reasonable standards, you have to show that I defend the Chinese government regardless of what it does. While we disagree on many issues, I hope we can agree to respect each other.
Sorry for the inconvenient, please respond on the Falun Gong talk page. -- Samuel Luo 06:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for yoru contributions to that page. Very appreciated. Would be brilliant if you could persevere. 213.235.24.138 15:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Welcome!
Hello, ArekExcelsior, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out
Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}}
on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome!
Asher Heimermann
20:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. You may not have noticed, but there's an entire article called Atlantis in art, literature and popular culture. Your paragraph about the Rifts RPG would fit better there. I suggest moving what you wrote to Atlantis in art, literature and popular culture and leave something shorter in the Atlantis article along the lines of "Atlantis is featured in Rifts and other role-playing games." Thanks for your contributions. Shaundakulbara 02:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I think you are making some worthwhile arguments on the talk page. I hope you understand if I don't join the fray. We have been doing this kind of discussion thing for a long time now and I must be up to a million keystrokes that went nowhere. Right now I just want to see how the ArbCom goes, and when the articles are unlocked and I feel it is safe, begin to actually start adding content from peer-reviewed journals and other wiki-friendly sources. I kind of hope that with the mediator and people like yourself, some of the more extreme approaches of presenting things may be curtailed, and I wish upon a star that some of the other endemic problems will somehow vanish like so many wisps of smoke. Anyway, enough of that. You may have already encountered something like this, or maybe I am even aggravating things, but I feel that I do not understand when you mention that Falun Gong has cultiness, in your experience. I don't know what contact you have with Falun Gong, so I suppose it would be meaningless to discuss things along those lines, and your experiences are now your own, but I just want to say that never felt anything like that from when I didn't understand Dafa to now considering myself a practitioner. I assume by cultiness you mean like, I am not sure exactly, but I guess secretiveness, umm, actually, I don't know what you mean, maybe like strangeness, you think it is strange to you? I am not sure what you mean, to be honest. Anyway, it has some bad kind of significance. So I will just say that I think Falun Gong is wonderful, and that since I first came into contact with practitioners, no one asked me for anything, asked me to do anything, told me that I could not do anything, asked me for money, expected that I give them money, etc. etc.. There were some old Chinese people who could not speak english and just smiled at me and said "hello! hello!", and a friendly youngish couple with twins who held the Fa-study at their house, as well as some other Chinese people with various backgrounds. For maybe 8 months I thought they were a rather friendly, if slightly misguided bunch. Anyway, I just did the exercises and read the book caused I liked them and felt good about them. I had approached things in an intellectual way, using complicated ways of thinking and justifications. I still have that, but now I don't do a lot of drugs, listen to chaotic music (drum n bass, jungle, etc.), watch porn, drink and smoke myself stupid on a regular basis, not care about other people etc.--I am just saying some good things that have resulted from me practicing Dafa. I can't site any bad things, obviously. Maybe you have heard some kinds of things like this from a practitioner before. I would just like to say it from my perspective anyway. When people don't want to learn Dafa I don't care. When people say they think Dafa is bad I just try to say this kind of thing, to tell them that in my experience it is not bad. I hope that you do not think Dafa is bad, but merely that you think it doesn't suit your taste, if you know what I mean.-- Asdfg 12345 02:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Arek, I made changes to my reply to you before noticing your response. Most of these changes are stylistic, I toned down my criticism against you. Two important changes are: 1) my response to your Christian Science argument and 2) my response to your personal attack-like comments. The passages of these changes are displayed below for your convenience. I also added this passage regarding Falun Gong suppression of critics—-The Falun Gong even demanded the government to step in to suppress freedom of the press: “Since this program will jeopardize the social stability in China and bring benefits only to the very few with ulterior motives at the expense of the good people at large, we Falun Gong practitioners sincerely hope that the governments at each level will prevent the airing of this slanderous program.”
1) The Chinese Constitution emphasizes protecting public health and order; the ban is perfectly legal in China. Religions like Christian Science and cults like Falun Gong that preach abandonment of medical treatment enjoy legal protection in the US. But in China where there is no such tradition (no traditional Chinese religion has ever preached that) this kind of practice is seen as dangerous and unlawful. The Chinese have the right to govern their country according to their tradition and law, provided that it does not violate the UN human rights Covenants. Do you have any right to demand the Chinese adapt to American values? Why stop at China, why not demand the whole world to adapt to American values?
2) Now I am going to respond to your personal attack-like comments. You said the following:
Arek, these insults say a lot about you. I bet you like to put down anyone who agrees with the Chinese government on anything and call him an apologist for the Chinese government. By any reasonable standards, you have to show that I defend the Chinese government regardless of what it does. While we disagree on many issues, I hope we can agree to respect each other.
Sorry for the inconvenient, please respond on the Falun Gong talk page. -- Samuel Luo 06:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for yoru contributions to that page. Very appreciated. Would be brilliant if you could persevere. 213.235.24.138 15:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)