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Voisitko vilkaista pohjoissaamen ekan sivun keskustelua ja ottaa kantaa? Huomasin, että sinulla on jo saamen natiiviloota (sme), mutta ei näytä olevan muille tasoille vielä noita lootia. Olisi ehkä hyvä idea saada ne aikaan pikku hiljaa?
Giitu ollu!
- Yupik 13:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Bures! Dárogiel teavsttas lea: Umesamisk har, som sørsamisk, ikkje stadieveksling.. Juos dát ii leat riekta, molssut go dánge? Giitu! - Yupik 06:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that you listed yourself as a linguist. There is currently a dispute at the Lindy Hop article the Dance WikiProject about the capitalization of dances that could use the expertise of a linguist. If you think you might be able to help, we would certainly appreciate your comments. Thanks! -- Cswrye 05:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello Ante! As far as I know, the Uralic affinity hypothesis has, right from the time it was suggested by Caldwell, been rejected out of hand by Uralic linguists but has, nonetheless, continued to be taken seriously by Dravidian linguists. This isn't an area I've looked at in a while, but two other papers which I have at hand are:
Mikhail Andronov has also written widely on this topic, but I don't have any of his papers with me at the moment. Zvelebil gives a more complete bibliography in Comparative Dravidian Phonology (Mouton, The Hauge: 1970) at p. 22 which, I think, also includes papers skeptical of any connection. I'm not aware of more recent work, but that could well be because these references are from my student days, and it's not a debate I'm actively following. -- Arvind 10:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Ante, there's a dispute regarding Altaic at the Turkish language article. Could you please join-in on the discussion here and here? e104421 is not convinced that the Altaic languages are disputed, perhaps you could provide sources for him? Thanks. — Khoikhoi 01:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Ante,
I searched Alexander Vovins page, there are tons of references there, and most of them are seem to be conference papers (procedings). Maybe better to refer some articles form the citation index, i could reach them from the library. Can you advice some of them (please give me just a few from the citation index that's enough). I'm not an expert on this field. After reading these, i can turn you back.
My main objections are related with the statements as "someone believe something" which do not scientifically make sense, cause they are related with a guess or a belief. These cannot be accepted to be relevent from academical point of view. Maybe there are some minor uncertainities about Altaic Family definition or classification, but this does not mean Altaic language family is totally disputed.
Altaic subgroup classifications (Mongolian, Tungus, Turkic) are quite consistent, cause each member of these subgroups have certain relations with each other. There are also tons of articles and books about them, you know. For this reason, in my opinion, it is safer to consider these three subgroups (Mongolian, Tungus, and Turkic) under Altaic Family. In the Wikipedia page of the Turkish language, there is no valid reason to state as "disputed" for Altaic family classification for Turkish. One may change the name Altaic, but these three subgroubs themselves constitute a family whatever the name given to it. e104421 1 August 2006, 19:07 (UCT).
The problem is to put the discussion on the right place. If we continue the discussion under Turkic Languages pages, this would lead to conclusion that there is a dispute of Turkic languages being Altaic cause only in the Turkic language pages there exist "disputed" tag. This is my main objection for removal. Ante, if you seach the pages of all Altaic languages, you'll see the "disputed" tag only in the articles about Turkic languages not for the others in the Altaic group. I think someone, on purpose, is trying to create speculations all Turkish related articles. Otherwise, he/she sould have done this for all languages under Altaic classification. e104421 3 September 2006, 10:15 (UTC)
Hi Ante. Thanks for your fix at Daldøs; I've now made a similar fix at Sáhkku. I had used the spelling used in my source for the two articles, but I'm sure you are right. Do you think you can summon anyone to flesh out the sáhkku article (a sami board game)?-- Niels Ø 08:08, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Ante,
As I noted your Sami skills, could you kindly translate "Gulf of Bothnia" in Sami, thanks! -- Drieakko 14:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
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What's your source for the statement that Kerek is now extinct? I'm saddened but not surprised to hear it, since five years ago there was reputed to be only one elderly speaker (Ekaterina Khatkana) still alive. Ngio 09:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Tervehdys. Tiedän, ettei Wikipedia ole paras mahdollinen väline pyyntöihin, muttei muutakaan oikein ole. Osallistun projektiin jonka tarkoituksena on elvyyttää varhaiskantasuomi, jos sellaista edes oli, eläväksi rituaalikieleksi suomalaisten - ja miksei muidenkin - uuspakanoiden käyttöön. Pyydän anteeksi jos olen väärässä, mutta oletan teidän tuntevan kyseisen kielen rekonstruktiot hyvin, tai ainakin paremmin kuin minä. Tästä syystä pyydän apuanne. Koska asun pienellä paikkakunnalla, en pysty turvautumaan kovinkaan hyviin kirjastopalveluihin tai kirjakauppoihin, joten joudun etsimään lähteitä tätä kautta. Mikä tahansa apu olisi erittäin tervettullut. En odota teidän selittävän minulle yksityiskohtaisesti kaikkea mahdollista, mutta pyydän teitä tarjoamaan käyttööni kaiken tiedon, jonka vain kohtuullisella vaivalla voitte. Pyydän suuresti anteeksi tätä vaivaa ja muistutan, että voitte toki kieltäytyä. Se ei johtaisi minkäänlaisiin negatiivisiin tunteisiin. Kiitos. -- Fagyd 02:11, 14.10.2006 (UTC+2)
Sääli. Kiitos kuitenkin. -- Fagyd 01:05, 19.10.2006
Aika mielenkiintoinen yritys on dialogi elokuvassa Unna ja Nuuk (saatavissa videovuokraamoista). En ole pystynyt tutustumaan siihen kirjallisessa muodossa mutta ensikuulemalta johonkin tällaiseen vaikutelmaan on pyritty, ehkä kuitenkin niin, että käytetty sanasto on olennaisesti esi-itämerensuomalainen. "Varhaiskantasuomalainen" sanasto, saati sitten syntaksi ja morfologia, ei varmaan olisi riittävän kattava mihinkään elokuvadialogiin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.181.143 ( talk) 12:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Bures!
En tiedä, kuinka paljon tiedät aiheesta, mutta tämä artikkeli on tynkä sinänsä ja käsittelee vain ja ainoastaan pohjoissaamelaisten joikua. En tiedä, pystytkö auttamaan tai tunnetko jonkun, joka pystyy, mutta olisi kivaa nähdä tämän artikkelin laajennetuna! Yritän itsekin jossain vaiheessa tehdä osuuteni, mutta ajattelin pyytää sinua mukana! Saat muuten levittää tämän sanoman eteenpäin. Kiitos :) - Yupik 12:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, perhaps you can help... someone in Polish Wikipedia wrote the article pl:Oslårhålvar claiming it is some sort of archaic sleigh used by Sami people. We suspect it is a hoax and consider deleting the article. Google doesn't find this word, but perhaps it is misspelt? Thanks, tsca @ 19:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Ante. Sorry, i forgot to reply. After checking the sources and considering the Altaic controversy again, i now agree that the information related with Altaic controversy should be mentioned in more detail in the Altaic languages page, and the Altaic hypothesis page should be merged with Altaic languages page (which is already done, actually the Altaic hypothesis page was nearly a copy-paste edit). Together with Khoikhoi, we proposed a new solution to the tag problem also keeping your comment "the infobox says "Language family", and if Altaic is not a family then removing the tags could eventually turn out to be misleading" in mind. The solution is as follows:
Genetic Classification: Altaic [1] ( controversial)
As an example, see Turkish. What do you think? Cheers! E104421 15:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi! This is not related to Wikipedia, but my mother is singing a text in "lappish" and would like to know a translation. We have come as far as that it must be in some Sami language, but which one, we're not sure. Since you seem to be a native speaker, I thought, perhaps can you identify the text and perhaps tell-us what it means? :)
Na, Piete Heikka snuuren aalttudža jo nuu, de Ko maanaditte, Loi, loi, lonko, loi
Na, lokkameattun thaalla da la, Kultte loi, loi, lon laajiistuoddares vel Loi, loi, lonko, loi
We are not even sure if the words are concatenated in the right way. And the diacritics are missing, too.
I refer to your research paper about paleo-european substratum in modern Saami from 2004 where you also reject ethnic continuity between the earlier paleo-european population and the later Saami population. I feel wondered how there can not be ethnic continuity after this language shift, before the language shift the people where hunters, fishermen and gatherers so they also were after the language shift, as you state in your work a significant part of the lexica from some semantic fields seem to have survived the language shift, I am just an amatur, but I cant really see the big differences in their lives from before and after the language shift as you suggest it happend as far back as the iron age. By the way do you think joik come with the proto-sami language or is it a paleo-european cultural relic that survived the language shift?
You did not mention the specific DNA literature in this text, what literature did you actually refer to, mtDNA or classical markers? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.202.76.147 ( talk) 05:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I see that you have recently edited the Kemi Sami article. I have made an attempt to translate the Swedish version of the first poem on the page to English (a non-poetic translation). Maybe you might check it out to see if I've made any gross errors! The person who requested the translation on the article's talk page as retired from Wikipedia, so I thought I'd turn to people who edited the article recently. Also, is it worth my while trying to translate the second poem in a similar fashion?. Thanks, Pikiwedian 21:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Have you noticed this article? It's rather weirdly structured and should probably be reworked. I'll see what I can do, but make no promises. And don't worry about it either right now, have a good trip :) - Yupik 14:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Good work! And I'm glad to see you're not losing your motivation, it would be a shame if you were! I have to admit that I don't know a thing about Ter Sámi, so I can't help you there, sorry! - Yupik 16:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I had found a new Finno-Ugric language, and it made me excited. Namely, this is the Székely language. Székely is truly a Hungarian dialect, but not a language. Also, this dialect does not differ from standard Hungarian much, but mainly only in vocabulary, e.g., Székelys say törökbúza instead of kukorica 'maize'.
Or this is only my opinion? You seems to be an expert of the question, so this is why I was such bold to contact you. (The article was written by User:Székely Attila.) See you, -- Cserlajos (talk) (contribs) 17:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
N: The major diferrence between pseudoscience and Popper non-science lay in number of participants.
A: (rv further: the edit by User:Nasz is garbled English, and furthermore it is obvious that the main difference between science and pseudoscience is *not* in number of practicioners)
1 Did you omit the leters NON in non-science? [4]
Bures! I was wondering if you would have time to translate the phonology section you wrote for this article in English into Finnish as fi:koltansaame is the project of the week for the Language Wikiproject on the Finnish wiki. Your help would be greatly appreciated! - Yupik 21:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello! Just to let you know that a place has been created for any Finnish --> English translation requests you would like to make at ( Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/fi) to make them easier to add, find and take care of. Thank you for your contributions! - Yupik 20:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
How is called Proto-Indo-European language in North Sami? Where in North Sami Wikipedia is article about PIE itself, but not about Indo-European languages? I can't localize it. It is true that PIE in North Sami is called Indoeurohpálaš Vuođđogiella, or Vuođđoindoeurohpágiella? Which name is used in North Sami? Please correct me if I'm in error, or confirm if I'm correct. I need these informations to finish finding best PIE paradigms across Wikipedias and to make proper link to interwiki PIE article in Italian: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoeuropeo For all other languages I succeeded in localizing relevant articles or confirming lack of their existence. Please answer very quickly - Thanks in advance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.5.59.207 ( talk) 15:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC).
Thanks for the correction. Nice to see you back :) - Yupik 09:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Bures! Sorry to bother you again. Would you have time in the near future to knock up a section on the phonology of Northern Sámi like you did for Skolt? Thanks for your time. - Yupik 12:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Reading this Linguistlist post again, I found the following:
A third example might perhaps be involved in PE *igø- 'swallow' that Fortescue compares with a PU verb meaning 'to eat'. However, the comparison is not as straightforward as the previous ones, as the Mordvinic points to a PU form *sewi- and not *sexi- (the evidence from other languages is ambiguous), and the tentative equation PU *puwa- 'to blow' with PE *puvø- 'to swell', *puva-k 'lungs' suggests that PU *-w- might rather correspond to PE *-v-.
I find that very interesting. Because I'm not a Linguistlist member and because the post is 6 years old anyway, I'll comment it here.
Is it possible that the Proto-Uralic form was "both" *sexi "and" *sewi – that is, *sexwi? Or are (for example) such consonant clusters illegal in PU? Because if such a reconstruction is permissible, interesting comparisons are possible. As cited in the Nostratic languages article, there is a Proto-Indo-European root *seh3(w) "satiated" (apparently the ancestor of satiated via Latin satis "enough", and of German satt "satiated"). I don't know what the evidence for or against that *(w) is, but if it's real (and if *xw was possible in PU), it might be a common innovation of IE and Uralo-Siberian…
Furthermore, Kaiser & Shevoroshkin (1988), my source for the Nostratic article, list a proposed cognate from Proto-Kartvelian and one from whatever partial reconstruction of Proto-Afro-Asiatic they relied on. Both end in /ʁ/. The PIE *h3 seems to have been a voiced fricative of some rear place of articulation: [ɣ], [ʁ], [ʕ], or [ʢ]. From IE data alone it seems not to be possible to decide between these possibilities, but various Nostratic comparisons favor [ʁ] – and point to the same value for PU *x. The Proto-Eskimo *g is supposed to have been [ɣ], right? And no phonemic contrast between [ɣ] and [ʁ] is reconstructed, right?
Under such circumstances, changes between velar and uvular fricatives must be easy (e. g. the Alemannic dialects of German have [χ] where most others have an allophone range [x~ç]). No opposition between velar and uvular fricatives is reconstructed for Proto-Nostratic, -Afro-Asiatic or -Kartvelian either.
In short, what do you think – can I add "Proto-Eskimo */iɣə/-" to the 3rd-to-last set of proposed cognates in the Nostratic article, and can I change the PU reflex "*sexE" into "*sexi or *sewi", or even into "*se(x)wi", citing your Linguistlist post for both?
Many thanks in advance. David Marjanović 22:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Buorre Beavi & Moikka!
I see that you are a linguist.... I am curious if you know of any audio or video files of pronounciations of reconstructed proto-Uralic or proto-Finno-Ugric words that might be added for those not yet familiar with the phonetic alphabets to those pages' lists of links? If not, might be you be interested in creating one yourself (for example, an mp3, ogg, or even a video on YouTube)?
Giitu & kiitos! -- Peer Gynt 06:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Can you add sample verb conjugations of Sami languages? -- 88.112.227.173 17:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
You inserted citations needed tags to the changes I made in Afro-Asiatic. I hope the changes I have made are satisfactory, as I have now removed the tags. Warm regards John D. Croft 10:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, en tiedä käytetäänkö nimeä todellisuudessa, mutta Suomi-wikipediassa artikkeli kulkee nimellä Teno (kunta) ja Finnish exonyms for places in Norway artikkelissa on myös listattu Tana bru olevan Tenon kylä. Tosin luotan kyllä siihen, että tiedät asian paremmin kuin minä. :) -- Zache 21:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Bures! I know you're busy elsewhere right now, but the link in the header was created as a place to add info about Sámi- and Sápmi-related articles that are missing, need more info, need to be reworked, etc. Feel free to add articles that you feel should be there. Trond has written some extensive articles on the Nynorsk wiki, so the work right now is concentrating on translating those and localizing them for English speakers, but it's always a good idea to have an up-to-date list to refer to! Plus we're all busy with other commitments, so the work is progressing slowly, but surely. No rushing, no stress, no hurry :). Ollu giitu! - Yupik 15:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Dear AAikio, I left you a message, sorry that it took that long to obtain a substantial reference document. Barefact ( talk) 03:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Aikio,
I noticed this unsourced sentence in the "Status" section of the Finno-Ugric Languages page:
"The term Finno-Ugric is somewhat controversial today, with many historical linguists feeling that the Finno-Permic languages are as distinct from the Ugric languages as they are from the Samoyedic languages spoken in Siberia."
Is this accurate? If so, could you, if convenient, direct me to a good reference source for this statement?
I understand, as per your user page, that you no longer regularly edit Wikipedia, so I apologize if this is a bother. It's too bad, by the way, that, as an academic, you have more-or-less given up on the project; it is understandable, however.
A testament to your misgivings regarding Wikipedia's validity, I find myself editing articles that I'm hardly qualified to speak on, let alone write about in an encyclopedic fashion (though I do my best to locate and cite good sources, and portray them reasonably), and not because I appreciate Wikipedia (I actually loathe it), but because it horrifies me that so many people around the world actually take it as a wonderfully valid first (or only!) source for information--when it's hardly better than a lay personal web page. Even Amazon.com flaunts its new, popular digital reading device, the Kindle's, capability to access Wikipedia! So it goes, as Kurt Vonnegut said....
By the way, are you familiar with Google's "Knol" project? It's similar to Wikipedia in that anyone may write articles, BUT only individual authors or self-chosen collaborators can edit his, her, or their articles; further, credentials and affiliations may be noted, and feedback on articles is given via ratings and reviews. As such, several articles may exist on a single topic, but the reader may choose to read only articles written by authors that he or she finds or knows to be credible, etc. It's been open to the public for just one month now. I do hope that more academics continue to join that project. [5] [6]
(A side note: this December 2007 article by the Register discusses the early stages of Google's Knol project--and, interestingly, the article also details how Wikipedia came to be so popular: when Google deliberately put Wikipedia pages among the top search engine results in order to combat the SPAM blogs that were clogging up Google search results. [7])
Anyhow, thanks regardless, and best of luck with your professional work. I've read a few of your articles, and though I'm not a linguist, I've found them to be of great interest; they must certainly be a terrific contribution to the field.
Best, Peer Gynt ( talk) 07:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for the comment. You obviously know better than I, and I trust you on this. I invite you to modify my legend of the images on commons accordingly (perhaps precisely mentionning about the "tourism costumes"). I'll be happy to see more accuracy on my legend. Thanks Anthere ( talk) 15:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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Voisitko vilkaista pohjoissaamen ekan sivun keskustelua ja ottaa kantaa? Huomasin, että sinulla on jo saamen natiiviloota (sme), mutta ei näytä olevan muille tasoille vielä noita lootia. Olisi ehkä hyvä idea saada ne aikaan pikku hiljaa?
Giitu ollu!
- Yupik 13:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Bures! Dárogiel teavsttas lea: Umesamisk har, som sørsamisk, ikkje stadieveksling.. Juos dát ii leat riekta, molssut go dánge? Giitu! - Yupik 06:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that you listed yourself as a linguist. There is currently a dispute at the Lindy Hop article the Dance WikiProject about the capitalization of dances that could use the expertise of a linguist. If you think you might be able to help, we would certainly appreciate your comments. Thanks! -- Cswrye 05:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello Ante! As far as I know, the Uralic affinity hypothesis has, right from the time it was suggested by Caldwell, been rejected out of hand by Uralic linguists but has, nonetheless, continued to be taken seriously by Dravidian linguists. This isn't an area I've looked at in a while, but two other papers which I have at hand are:
Mikhail Andronov has also written widely on this topic, but I don't have any of his papers with me at the moment. Zvelebil gives a more complete bibliography in Comparative Dravidian Phonology (Mouton, The Hauge: 1970) at p. 22 which, I think, also includes papers skeptical of any connection. I'm not aware of more recent work, but that could well be because these references are from my student days, and it's not a debate I'm actively following. -- Arvind 10:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Ante, there's a dispute regarding Altaic at the Turkish language article. Could you please join-in on the discussion here and here? e104421 is not convinced that the Altaic languages are disputed, perhaps you could provide sources for him? Thanks. — Khoikhoi 01:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Ante,
I searched Alexander Vovins page, there are tons of references there, and most of them are seem to be conference papers (procedings). Maybe better to refer some articles form the citation index, i could reach them from the library. Can you advice some of them (please give me just a few from the citation index that's enough). I'm not an expert on this field. After reading these, i can turn you back.
My main objections are related with the statements as "someone believe something" which do not scientifically make sense, cause they are related with a guess or a belief. These cannot be accepted to be relevent from academical point of view. Maybe there are some minor uncertainities about Altaic Family definition or classification, but this does not mean Altaic language family is totally disputed.
Altaic subgroup classifications (Mongolian, Tungus, Turkic) are quite consistent, cause each member of these subgroups have certain relations with each other. There are also tons of articles and books about them, you know. For this reason, in my opinion, it is safer to consider these three subgroups (Mongolian, Tungus, and Turkic) under Altaic Family. In the Wikipedia page of the Turkish language, there is no valid reason to state as "disputed" for Altaic family classification for Turkish. One may change the name Altaic, but these three subgroubs themselves constitute a family whatever the name given to it. e104421 1 August 2006, 19:07 (UCT).
The problem is to put the discussion on the right place. If we continue the discussion under Turkic Languages pages, this would lead to conclusion that there is a dispute of Turkic languages being Altaic cause only in the Turkic language pages there exist "disputed" tag. This is my main objection for removal. Ante, if you seach the pages of all Altaic languages, you'll see the "disputed" tag only in the articles about Turkic languages not for the others in the Altaic group. I think someone, on purpose, is trying to create speculations all Turkish related articles. Otherwise, he/she sould have done this for all languages under Altaic classification. e104421 3 September 2006, 10:15 (UTC)
Hi Ante. Thanks for your fix at Daldøs; I've now made a similar fix at Sáhkku. I had used the spelling used in my source for the two articles, but I'm sure you are right. Do you think you can summon anyone to flesh out the sáhkku article (a sami board game)?-- Niels Ø 08:08, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Ante,
As I noted your Sami skills, could you kindly translate "Gulf of Bothnia" in Sami, thanks! -- Drieakko 14:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
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What's your source for the statement that Kerek is now extinct? I'm saddened but not surprised to hear it, since five years ago there was reputed to be only one elderly speaker (Ekaterina Khatkana) still alive. Ngio 09:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Tervehdys. Tiedän, ettei Wikipedia ole paras mahdollinen väline pyyntöihin, muttei muutakaan oikein ole. Osallistun projektiin jonka tarkoituksena on elvyyttää varhaiskantasuomi, jos sellaista edes oli, eläväksi rituaalikieleksi suomalaisten - ja miksei muidenkin - uuspakanoiden käyttöön. Pyydän anteeksi jos olen väärässä, mutta oletan teidän tuntevan kyseisen kielen rekonstruktiot hyvin, tai ainakin paremmin kuin minä. Tästä syystä pyydän apuanne. Koska asun pienellä paikkakunnalla, en pysty turvautumaan kovinkaan hyviin kirjastopalveluihin tai kirjakauppoihin, joten joudun etsimään lähteitä tätä kautta. Mikä tahansa apu olisi erittäin tervettullut. En odota teidän selittävän minulle yksityiskohtaisesti kaikkea mahdollista, mutta pyydän teitä tarjoamaan käyttööni kaiken tiedon, jonka vain kohtuullisella vaivalla voitte. Pyydän suuresti anteeksi tätä vaivaa ja muistutan, että voitte toki kieltäytyä. Se ei johtaisi minkäänlaisiin negatiivisiin tunteisiin. Kiitos. -- Fagyd 02:11, 14.10.2006 (UTC+2)
Sääli. Kiitos kuitenkin. -- Fagyd 01:05, 19.10.2006
Aika mielenkiintoinen yritys on dialogi elokuvassa Unna ja Nuuk (saatavissa videovuokraamoista). En ole pystynyt tutustumaan siihen kirjallisessa muodossa mutta ensikuulemalta johonkin tällaiseen vaikutelmaan on pyritty, ehkä kuitenkin niin, että käytetty sanasto on olennaisesti esi-itämerensuomalainen. "Varhaiskantasuomalainen" sanasto, saati sitten syntaksi ja morfologia, ei varmaan olisi riittävän kattava mihinkään elokuvadialogiin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.181.143 ( talk) 12:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Bures!
En tiedä, kuinka paljon tiedät aiheesta, mutta tämä artikkeli on tynkä sinänsä ja käsittelee vain ja ainoastaan pohjoissaamelaisten joikua. En tiedä, pystytkö auttamaan tai tunnetko jonkun, joka pystyy, mutta olisi kivaa nähdä tämän artikkelin laajennetuna! Yritän itsekin jossain vaiheessa tehdä osuuteni, mutta ajattelin pyytää sinua mukana! Saat muuten levittää tämän sanoman eteenpäin. Kiitos :) - Yupik 12:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, perhaps you can help... someone in Polish Wikipedia wrote the article pl:Oslårhålvar claiming it is some sort of archaic sleigh used by Sami people. We suspect it is a hoax and consider deleting the article. Google doesn't find this word, but perhaps it is misspelt? Thanks, tsca @ 19:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Ante. Sorry, i forgot to reply. After checking the sources and considering the Altaic controversy again, i now agree that the information related with Altaic controversy should be mentioned in more detail in the Altaic languages page, and the Altaic hypothesis page should be merged with Altaic languages page (which is already done, actually the Altaic hypothesis page was nearly a copy-paste edit). Together with Khoikhoi, we proposed a new solution to the tag problem also keeping your comment "the infobox says "Language family", and if Altaic is not a family then removing the tags could eventually turn out to be misleading" in mind. The solution is as follows:
Genetic Classification: Altaic [1] ( controversial)
As an example, see Turkish. What do you think? Cheers! E104421 15:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi! This is not related to Wikipedia, but my mother is singing a text in "lappish" and would like to know a translation. We have come as far as that it must be in some Sami language, but which one, we're not sure. Since you seem to be a native speaker, I thought, perhaps can you identify the text and perhaps tell-us what it means? :)
Na, Piete Heikka snuuren aalttudža jo nuu, de Ko maanaditte, Loi, loi, lonko, loi
Na, lokkameattun thaalla da la, Kultte loi, loi, lon laajiistuoddares vel Loi, loi, lonko, loi
We are not even sure if the words are concatenated in the right way. And the diacritics are missing, too.
I refer to your research paper about paleo-european substratum in modern Saami from 2004 where you also reject ethnic continuity between the earlier paleo-european population and the later Saami population. I feel wondered how there can not be ethnic continuity after this language shift, before the language shift the people where hunters, fishermen and gatherers so they also were after the language shift, as you state in your work a significant part of the lexica from some semantic fields seem to have survived the language shift, I am just an amatur, but I cant really see the big differences in their lives from before and after the language shift as you suggest it happend as far back as the iron age. By the way do you think joik come with the proto-sami language or is it a paleo-european cultural relic that survived the language shift?
You did not mention the specific DNA literature in this text, what literature did you actually refer to, mtDNA or classical markers? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.202.76.147 ( talk) 05:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I see that you have recently edited the Kemi Sami article. I have made an attempt to translate the Swedish version of the first poem on the page to English (a non-poetic translation). Maybe you might check it out to see if I've made any gross errors! The person who requested the translation on the article's talk page as retired from Wikipedia, so I thought I'd turn to people who edited the article recently. Also, is it worth my while trying to translate the second poem in a similar fashion?. Thanks, Pikiwedian 21:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Have you noticed this article? It's rather weirdly structured and should probably be reworked. I'll see what I can do, but make no promises. And don't worry about it either right now, have a good trip :) - Yupik 14:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Good work! And I'm glad to see you're not losing your motivation, it would be a shame if you were! I have to admit that I don't know a thing about Ter Sámi, so I can't help you there, sorry! - Yupik 16:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I had found a new Finno-Ugric language, and it made me excited. Namely, this is the Székely language. Székely is truly a Hungarian dialect, but not a language. Also, this dialect does not differ from standard Hungarian much, but mainly only in vocabulary, e.g., Székelys say törökbúza instead of kukorica 'maize'.
Or this is only my opinion? You seems to be an expert of the question, so this is why I was such bold to contact you. (The article was written by User:Székely Attila.) See you, -- Cserlajos (talk) (contribs) 17:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
N: The major diferrence between pseudoscience and Popper non-science lay in number of participants.
A: (rv further: the edit by User:Nasz is garbled English, and furthermore it is obvious that the main difference between science and pseudoscience is *not* in number of practicioners)
1 Did you omit the leters NON in non-science? [4]
Bures! I was wondering if you would have time to translate the phonology section you wrote for this article in English into Finnish as fi:koltansaame is the project of the week for the Language Wikiproject on the Finnish wiki. Your help would be greatly appreciated! - Yupik 21:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello! Just to let you know that a place has been created for any Finnish --> English translation requests you would like to make at ( Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/fi) to make them easier to add, find and take care of. Thank you for your contributions! - Yupik 20:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
How is called Proto-Indo-European language in North Sami? Where in North Sami Wikipedia is article about PIE itself, but not about Indo-European languages? I can't localize it. It is true that PIE in North Sami is called Indoeurohpálaš Vuođđogiella, or Vuođđoindoeurohpágiella? Which name is used in North Sami? Please correct me if I'm in error, or confirm if I'm correct. I need these informations to finish finding best PIE paradigms across Wikipedias and to make proper link to interwiki PIE article in Italian: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoeuropeo For all other languages I succeeded in localizing relevant articles or confirming lack of their existence. Please answer very quickly - Thanks in advance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.5.59.207 ( talk) 15:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC).
Thanks for the correction. Nice to see you back :) - Yupik 09:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Bures! Sorry to bother you again. Would you have time in the near future to knock up a section on the phonology of Northern Sámi like you did for Skolt? Thanks for your time. - Yupik 12:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Reading this Linguistlist post again, I found the following:
A third example might perhaps be involved in PE *igø- 'swallow' that Fortescue compares with a PU verb meaning 'to eat'. However, the comparison is not as straightforward as the previous ones, as the Mordvinic points to a PU form *sewi- and not *sexi- (the evidence from other languages is ambiguous), and the tentative equation PU *puwa- 'to blow' with PE *puvø- 'to swell', *puva-k 'lungs' suggests that PU *-w- might rather correspond to PE *-v-.
I find that very interesting. Because I'm not a Linguistlist member and because the post is 6 years old anyway, I'll comment it here.
Is it possible that the Proto-Uralic form was "both" *sexi "and" *sewi – that is, *sexwi? Or are (for example) such consonant clusters illegal in PU? Because if such a reconstruction is permissible, interesting comparisons are possible. As cited in the Nostratic languages article, there is a Proto-Indo-European root *seh3(w) "satiated" (apparently the ancestor of satiated via Latin satis "enough", and of German satt "satiated"). I don't know what the evidence for or against that *(w) is, but if it's real (and if *xw was possible in PU), it might be a common innovation of IE and Uralo-Siberian…
Furthermore, Kaiser & Shevoroshkin (1988), my source for the Nostratic article, list a proposed cognate from Proto-Kartvelian and one from whatever partial reconstruction of Proto-Afro-Asiatic they relied on. Both end in /ʁ/. The PIE *h3 seems to have been a voiced fricative of some rear place of articulation: [ɣ], [ʁ], [ʕ], or [ʢ]. From IE data alone it seems not to be possible to decide between these possibilities, but various Nostratic comparisons favor [ʁ] – and point to the same value for PU *x. The Proto-Eskimo *g is supposed to have been [ɣ], right? And no phonemic contrast between [ɣ] and [ʁ] is reconstructed, right?
Under such circumstances, changes between velar and uvular fricatives must be easy (e. g. the Alemannic dialects of German have [χ] where most others have an allophone range [x~ç]). No opposition between velar and uvular fricatives is reconstructed for Proto-Nostratic, -Afro-Asiatic or -Kartvelian either.
In short, what do you think – can I add "Proto-Eskimo */iɣə/-" to the 3rd-to-last set of proposed cognates in the Nostratic article, and can I change the PU reflex "*sexE" into "*sexi or *sewi", or even into "*se(x)wi", citing your Linguistlist post for both?
Many thanks in advance. David Marjanović 22:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Buorre Beavi & Moikka!
I see that you are a linguist.... I am curious if you know of any audio or video files of pronounciations of reconstructed proto-Uralic or proto-Finno-Ugric words that might be added for those not yet familiar with the phonetic alphabets to those pages' lists of links? If not, might be you be interested in creating one yourself (for example, an mp3, ogg, or even a video on YouTube)?
Giitu & kiitos! -- Peer Gynt 06:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Can you add sample verb conjugations of Sami languages? -- 88.112.227.173 17:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
You inserted citations needed tags to the changes I made in Afro-Asiatic. I hope the changes I have made are satisfactory, as I have now removed the tags. Warm regards John D. Croft 10:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, en tiedä käytetäänkö nimeä todellisuudessa, mutta Suomi-wikipediassa artikkeli kulkee nimellä Teno (kunta) ja Finnish exonyms for places in Norway artikkelissa on myös listattu Tana bru olevan Tenon kylä. Tosin luotan kyllä siihen, että tiedät asian paremmin kuin minä. :) -- Zache 21:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Bures! I know you're busy elsewhere right now, but the link in the header was created as a place to add info about Sámi- and Sápmi-related articles that are missing, need more info, need to be reworked, etc. Feel free to add articles that you feel should be there. Trond has written some extensive articles on the Nynorsk wiki, so the work right now is concentrating on translating those and localizing them for English speakers, but it's always a good idea to have an up-to-date list to refer to! Plus we're all busy with other commitments, so the work is progressing slowly, but surely. No rushing, no stress, no hurry :). Ollu giitu! - Yupik 15:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Dear AAikio, I left you a message, sorry that it took that long to obtain a substantial reference document. Barefact ( talk) 03:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Aikio,
I noticed this unsourced sentence in the "Status" section of the Finno-Ugric Languages page:
"The term Finno-Ugric is somewhat controversial today, with many historical linguists feeling that the Finno-Permic languages are as distinct from the Ugric languages as they are from the Samoyedic languages spoken in Siberia."
Is this accurate? If so, could you, if convenient, direct me to a good reference source for this statement?
I understand, as per your user page, that you no longer regularly edit Wikipedia, so I apologize if this is a bother. It's too bad, by the way, that, as an academic, you have more-or-less given up on the project; it is understandable, however.
A testament to your misgivings regarding Wikipedia's validity, I find myself editing articles that I'm hardly qualified to speak on, let alone write about in an encyclopedic fashion (though I do my best to locate and cite good sources, and portray them reasonably), and not because I appreciate Wikipedia (I actually loathe it), but because it horrifies me that so many people around the world actually take it as a wonderfully valid first (or only!) source for information--when it's hardly better than a lay personal web page. Even Amazon.com flaunts its new, popular digital reading device, the Kindle's, capability to access Wikipedia! So it goes, as Kurt Vonnegut said....
By the way, are you familiar with Google's "Knol" project? It's similar to Wikipedia in that anyone may write articles, BUT only individual authors or self-chosen collaborators can edit his, her, or their articles; further, credentials and affiliations may be noted, and feedback on articles is given via ratings and reviews. As such, several articles may exist on a single topic, but the reader may choose to read only articles written by authors that he or she finds or knows to be credible, etc. It's been open to the public for just one month now. I do hope that more academics continue to join that project. [5] [6]
(A side note: this December 2007 article by the Register discusses the early stages of Google's Knol project--and, interestingly, the article also details how Wikipedia came to be so popular: when Google deliberately put Wikipedia pages among the top search engine results in order to combat the SPAM blogs that were clogging up Google search results. [7])
Anyhow, thanks regardless, and best of luck with your professional work. I've read a few of your articles, and though I'm not a linguist, I've found them to be of great interest; they must certainly be a terrific contribution to the field.
Best, Peer Gynt ( talk) 07:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello
Thanks for the comment. You obviously know better than I, and I trust you on this. I invite you to modify my legend of the images on commons accordingly (perhaps precisely mentionning about the "tourism costumes"). I'll be happy to see more accuracy on my legend. Thanks Anthere ( talk) 15:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Yupik would like to wish you a
Merry Christmas, a
Happy Chanukah, or whatever you may be celebrating at this time of year plus warm wishes for a good 2009!
Hyvää joulua ja onnellista uutta vuotta!
Buriid juovllaid ja ráfálaš ođđajagi!
Pyereh juovlah já luholaš uđđa ihe!
Lahkoe jåvle jih buerie orre jaepie!
Buorre javla ja buorre ådå jagev!
God jul och gott nytt år!
Hyveä roštuota!
Hyveä rastavoa!
С новым годом! -
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Hi,
I tried to write the best lead I could based on what was there, but despite several years experience I could barely tell what the page was about. Could you draft a better one? Perhaps put in place a disambiguation page if there are that many? WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 21:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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