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* [http://www.steamrail.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=114 Steamrail Victoria Forums - thread title]
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Glad to see your contribtions on railway history. Your E carriage article got me fired up - we cannot give NSW a free kick, as Robert Lee has done! Robert is NQR about the design of the E cars (not to detract from his valuable book). Carriage design in NSW was nothing like as advanced as in Victoria, and the Pullmans were only used for sleepers. I hope to add something of the background of the E carriages and rollingstock design. Might I suggest you research the humble Z van? They were so characteristic of the VR over such a long time - right back into the mid 19th Century, and still with us into the 1970's. I cold help you out with a few historical photographs. Mav62 ( talk) 01:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
My next pages that I want to do, include a page on the BCPL cars (linked to the MT car page), an APL/BPL page, and something on guard's vans. Any preference?
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...PCO 1 was refurbished and re-entered service with Great Southern Railway in 2007.
PCO 1 is in plain grey...
Correct about PCO 4 [smacks head]. I though I had already started scattering red New Deal (Victoria) about, but I guess I haven't. The xxx type carriage pages are about the train, SoP is about the train that used the S cars (and the Z stock as well later on), New Deal mentions the N cars were part of it. The non sitting SOP cars did get the S classification in the 1980s, so are S type carriage. Wongm ( talk) 12:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
The 'Brief History' book has 2 pages in the front with a general history of tank wagons - I might tackle a article on that soon. Wongm ( talk) 04:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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You mentioned
gooseneck-type couplers in
large bogie boxvan for car parts. Are these couplers still in use? Would it be possible to get a dimensioned drawing? What particularly interests me is the vertical offset between the coupler head and the shank.
Regards,
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You can take a look at what I did here. I think that's much easier to read even though I didn't manage to stack it horizontally. Huon ( talk) 20:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
That said, I'd still argue that this level of detail, without any reliable published sources (and no, a closed Facebook group is not a reliable published source), is excessive - I appreciate that you have invested a huge amount of effort in gathering that information, but I'm not sure Wikipedia is an appropriate venue for such intricate details as the numbers of specific carriages or timetables. If you're looking for an off-Wikipedia site to host such content, Wikia may be worth a look. Huon ( talk) 20:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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{{convert|46|LT|0|Lcwt|6|qtr|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 46 long tons 0 cwt 6 qtr (46.81 t){{convert|30|LT|16|Lcwt|2|qtr|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 30 long tons 16 cwt 2 qtr (31.32 t){{convert|32|LT|6|Lcwt|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 32 long tons 6 cwt (32.82 t){{convert|37|LT|8|Lcwt|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 37 long tons 8 cwt (38.00 t){{convert|46|lt|0|Lcwt|6|qtr|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 46 LT 0 cwt 6 qtr (46.81 t){{convert|30|lt|16|Lcwt|2|qtr|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 30 LT 16 cwt 2 qtr (31.32 t){{convert|32|lt|6|Lcwt|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 32 LT 6 cwt (32.82 t){{convert|37|lt|8|Lcwt|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 37 LT 8 cwt (38.00 t)Please check any other similar articles you may have edited. Johnuniq ( talk) 09:12, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks for your edits. Unfortunately some of it is using posts on the Railpage forum as cites. Irrespective of a personal opinion as to the reliability of an individual poster, forum discussions are not considered reliable as described at WP:SELFPUBLISH. Sorry if I am coming across as a bit of a bureaucrat, but if something is only supported by an invalid cite, an editor may come along in the future and delete. Better to write an article with what can be backed up by reliable sources. Beachbo ( talk) 21:25, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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Further discussion should probably take place here:
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There is a pile of drafts that were started, but never included a lede sentence or a reference. Are you in a position to turn these into stubs so that they can again become articles?
Draft:South Australian Railways C Class Draft:South Australian Railways F Class (First) Draft:South Australian Railways G Class Draft:South Australian Railways Ga Class Draft:South Australian Railways Gc Class Draft:South Australian Railways Gd Class Draft:South Australian Railways Ge Class Draft:South Australian Railways H Class Draft:South Australian Railways I Class (First) Draft:South Australian Railways I Class (Second) Draft:South Australian Railways K Class Draft:South Australian Railways Kitson Goods Motors Class Draft:South Australian Railways M Class (First) Draft:South Australian Railways N Class Draft:South Australian Railways No. 107 Draft:South Australian Railways No. 154 Draft:South Australian Railways No. 155 Draft:South Australian Railways No. 205 Draft:South Australian Railways O Class (First) Draft:South Australian Railways O Class (Second) Draft:South Australian Railways Q Class Draft:South Australian Railways U Class
You recently moved and created an article Victorian Railways tank wagons which you yourself blanked subsequently.May you clarify on the issue?temporarilyarily reverted your blanking. Winged Blades Godric 16:04, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
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Accidentally created this page too early - I'll get around to it eventually but for now I don't have time to write it. Victorian Railways tank wagons Can someone please delete?
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I see this has been discussed several times here on your talk but perhaps it is worth revisiting again. FB in this context is especially is not a RS. This comes from photos, closed Facebook groups, etc...however this is the equivalent of WP:OR as it is not a published source with any editorial oversight. If information is not available in an RS, it is not appropriate for inclusion in the article. Content is also required to be verifiable. Facebook posts, especially being in a closed group is not verifiable and even if it were open, would still not be verifiable in this context. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I'll put the RfC on the VRLocos template talk page Template talk:Locomotives and rolling stock of the Victorian Railways, predecessors and successors, because the referencing issues apply to most of the pages in that table. It also makes it easier for me to link to it in the future. Anothersignalman ( talk) 15:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
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* [http://www.steamrail.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=114 Steamrail Victoria Forums - thread title]
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Glad to see your contribtions on railway history. Your E carriage article got me fired up - we cannot give NSW a free kick, as Robert Lee has done! Robert is NQR about the design of the E cars (not to detract from his valuable book). Carriage design in NSW was nothing like as advanced as in Victoria, and the Pullmans were only used for sleepers. I hope to add something of the background of the E carriages and rollingstock design. Might I suggest you research the humble Z van? They were so characteristic of the VR over such a long time - right back into the mid 19th Century, and still with us into the 1970's. I cold help you out with a few historical photographs. Mav62 ( talk) 01:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
My next pages that I want to do, include a page on the BCPL cars (linked to the MT car page), an APL/BPL page, and something on guard's vans. Any preference?
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...PCO 1 was refurbished and re-entered service with Great Southern Railway in 2007.
PCO 1 is in plain grey...
Correct about PCO 4 [smacks head]. I though I had already started scattering red New Deal (Victoria) about, but I guess I haven't. The xxx type carriage pages are about the train, SoP is about the train that used the S cars (and the Z stock as well later on), New Deal mentions the N cars were part of it. The non sitting SOP cars did get the S classification in the 1980s, so are S type carriage. Wongm ( talk) 12:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
The 'Brief History' book has 2 pages in the front with a general history of tank wagons - I might tackle a article on that soon. Wongm ( talk) 04:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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You mentioned
gooseneck-type couplers in
large bogie boxvan for car parts. Are these couplers still in use? Would it be possible to get a dimensioned drawing? What particularly interests me is the vertical offset between the coupler head and the shank.
Regards,
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Sorry, I'm not sure where to look. You could try contacting the ARHS as a starting point.
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You can take a look at what I did here. I think that's much easier to read even though I didn't manage to stack it horizontally. Huon ( talk) 20:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
That said, I'd still argue that this level of detail, without any reliable published sources (and no, a closed Facebook group is not a reliable published source), is excessive - I appreciate that you have invested a huge amount of effort in gathering that information, but I'm not sure Wikipedia is an appropriate venue for such intricate details as the numbers of specific carriages or timetables. If you're looking for an off-Wikipedia site to host such content, Wikia may be worth a look. Huon ( talk) 20:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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I think the following is what is wanted, but it would be better if you were to confirm this and make the edit. There is no need to use fractional tons because convert has been able to do the following for a couple of years. Using LT gives the name in full, while lt gives an abbreviation. In the first example, it is necessary to include "|0|Lcwt"—convert gives a junk result without it.
{{convert|46|LT|0|Lcwt|6|qtr|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 46 long tons 0 cwt 6 qtr (46.81 t){{convert|30|LT|16|Lcwt|2|qtr|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 30 long tons 16 cwt 2 qtr (31.32 t){{convert|32|LT|6|Lcwt|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 32 long tons 6 cwt (32.82 t){{convert|37|LT|8|Lcwt|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 37 long tons 8 cwt (38.00 t){{convert|46|lt|0|Lcwt|6|qtr|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 46 LT 0 cwt 6 qtr (46.81 t){{convert|30|lt|16|Lcwt|2|qtr|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 30 LT 16 cwt 2 qtr (31.32 t){{convert|32|lt|6|Lcwt|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 32 LT 6 cwt (32.82 t){{convert|37|lt|8|Lcwt|t|2|abbr=on}}
→ 37 LT 8 cwt (38.00 t)Please check any other similar articles you may have edited. Johnuniq ( talk) 09:12, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks for your edits. Unfortunately some of it is using posts on the Railpage forum as cites. Irrespective of a personal opinion as to the reliability of an individual poster, forum discussions are not considered reliable as described at WP:SELFPUBLISH. Sorry if I am coming across as a bit of a bureaucrat, but if something is only supported by an invalid cite, an editor may come along in the future and delete. Better to write an article with what can be backed up by reliable sources. Beachbo ( talk) 21:25, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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Further discussion should probably take place here:
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Hi Anothersignalman
There is a pile of drafts that were started, but never included a lede sentence or a reference. Are you in a position to turn these into stubs so that they can again become articles?
Draft:South Australian Railways C Class Draft:South Australian Railways F Class (First) Draft:South Australian Railways G Class Draft:South Australian Railways Ga Class Draft:South Australian Railways Gc Class Draft:South Australian Railways Gd Class Draft:South Australian Railways Ge Class Draft:South Australian Railways H Class Draft:South Australian Railways I Class (First) Draft:South Australian Railways I Class (Second) Draft:South Australian Railways K Class Draft:South Australian Railways Kitson Goods Motors Class Draft:South Australian Railways M Class (First) Draft:South Australian Railways N Class Draft:South Australian Railways No. 107 Draft:South Australian Railways No. 154 Draft:South Australian Railways No. 155 Draft:South Australian Railways No. 205 Draft:South Australian Railways O Class (First) Draft:South Australian Railways O Class (Second) Draft:South Australian Railways Q Class Draft:South Australian Railways U Class
You recently moved and created an article Victorian Railways tank wagons which you yourself blanked subsequently.May you clarify on the issue?temporarilyarily reverted your blanking. Winged Blades Godric 16:04, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
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Accidentally created this page too early - I'll get around to it eventually but for now I don't have time to write it. Victorian Railways tank wagons Can someone please delete?
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I have added this list to the Requests page.
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Thanks for your help with the W type carriage disambiguation. Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 11:33, 15 April 2017 (UTC) |
I see this has been discussed several times here on your talk but perhaps it is worth revisiting again. FB in this context is especially is not a RS. This comes from photos, closed Facebook groups, etc...however this is the equivalent of WP:OR as it is not a published source with any editorial oversight. If information is not available in an RS, it is not appropriate for inclusion in the article. Content is also required to be verifiable. Facebook posts, especially being in a closed group is not verifiable and even if it were open, would still not be verifiable in this context. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I'll put the RfC on the VRLocos template talk page Template talk:Locomotives and rolling stock of the Victorian Railways, predecessors and successors, because the referencing issues apply to most of the pages in that table. It also makes it easier for me to link to it in the future. Anothersignalman ( talk) 15:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Template:Locomotives and rolling stock of privately-owned railways in Victoria, Australia has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 05:26, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
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