Hi AP, glad that I could collaborate with you on the EastEnders episodes. Just wondering if I should add a note to episodes that are featuring: a character joining, leaving, recast etc. or one-hour episodes or if the episode is aired on BBC2. Just a simple: Note: This episode aired for one hour or a Note: The episode featured the departure of Emma Summerhayes ( Anna Acton). Thanks - Soaper1234 ( talk) 22:07, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi again, continuing my work on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2013) and I thought if an episode is 60 minutes, but not two episodes merged into one (i.e. there is three episodes in the week, with one of them a 60 minute - effectively making it four regular episodes), would that class as an episode that would have a 4560-01 number or would it just be 4560? Also, if the case is that it remains with a 4560-01, would the second number be 1-2 or 1? Thanks, Soaper1234 ( talk) 15:02, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Sorry about that AP. I removed your episode summaries because I was going to add new ones, but I could just edit out the links and that would make it easier. I've been a tad unavailable recently, but should be back getting on with the episode lists soon. I really trying to work with 2013, then I'll move to 2014 and 2012. I'll change the '-' to '/' and I was just using Rachel's list as a template, hence following that rule. Why is it a double episode with the overall numbers, but not in the year? Sorry if I have done anything incorrect and please let me know if there is anything else. :) Soaper1234 ( talk) 17:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: What do you guys think about adding a reception section? For general reception of that year's storylines? Might be difficult for older ones but easlier for 2016. Or could it end up with too much? Anemone Projectors 16:59, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
@
AnemoneProjectors,
Soaper1234, and
RachelRice:It's interesting to note that on the BBC Middle East website they actually use the actual episode numbers.
http://www.bbcmiddleeast.com/programme-search/?p=eastenders might be useful if we need a ref, have also saved a copy in
Internet Archive. I had suggested to the
BBC Store they use Episode numbers on their site as of yet they only seem to have seem to use it on double episodes but I hope they name them all using the episode number as the air date is already there next to the run time.
https://store.bbc.com/eastenders Thanks
Kelvin 101 (
talk)
00:22, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes I have generated static numbers that allow us to change them for instant I have gone back as far as 4775/76. 1 January 2014 and made alteration to include the two episode count as we could not do it on the previous list. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 02:06, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: You don't don't happen to have any ideas when they started the hour long episodes, I would imagine somewhere after 2000 but I could be mistaken as I didn't start watching it till about 2003 or 2005. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:34, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
By the way, I remember years ago, someone telling me or it becoming evident that EastEnders episode numbers were reset at some point. But obviously, the numbers currently stack up so if that's true, it's been "undone" at some point. In fact, the script for Dot's monologue episode says episode 1369, but we know it's episode 3526. Anemone Projectors 16:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
http://web.archive.org/web/20060525104744/http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/EASTENDERS Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi I was looking at the 2014 and 2015 list and the numbers do not seem to follow on last episode of 2014, 4987 but first episode of 2015,4989 so somewhere there is 1 missing episode. The same with 2011 last episode 4344 but the first episode of 2012 4348. According to the BBC there has been 105 episodes in 1988 but I only count 104 unless they include Civvy Street as part of the series. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:32, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi do you know when the 15th Anniversary was broadcast according BBC Genome http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-02-27#at-13.00 it was Sunday 27 February 2000 13.00 but I thought it strange to be a Sunday so I though I better ask. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:29, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
1998
2000
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:49, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I know we are not doing the numbers but this is just a note for us for the future 4556 is missing from 2012 Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:22, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
I didn't want to put these numbers into our other table until I was sure. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:49, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Year | # Episodes in Year | # Episodes Overall | Notes | |
---|---|---|---|---|
1985 | 91 | 1-91 | ||
1986 | 105 | 92-196 | ||
1987 | 107 | 197-303 | ||
1988 | 105 (with Civvy Street) |
304-408 | 1 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [1] | |
1989 | 104 | 409-512 | ||
1990 | 104 | 513-616 | ||
1991 | 105 | 617-721 | ||
1992 | 106 | 722-827 | ||
1993 | 105 | 828-932 | ||
1994 | 142 | 933-1074 | 2 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [2] [3]One episode aired on a Sunday. [4] | |
1995 | 157 | 1075-1231 | Note 1 Omnibus aired on Monday. | |
1996 | 161 | 1232-1392 | Note 1 Omnibus aired on Monday, 1 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [5] | |
1997 | 162 | 1393-1554 | ||
1998 | 166 (with 4 Doubles) *168 |
1555-1720 | 1 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [6]Two episode aired on Sunday one of them within World Cup Listing. [7] [8] | |
1999 | 169 (with 1 Double) *170 |
1721-1889 | Note 1 Omnibus aired on Monday, There's 3 episodes on a Sunday. [9] [10] [11] | |
2000 | 162 (with 1 Double and Return of Nick Cotton) |
1890-2051 | (1 episodes has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [12] Includes 2 sunday episodes. [13] [14] 162 with Return of Nick Cotton. [15]) | |
2001 | 179 | 2052-2230 | ||
2002 | 211 (with Ricky & Bianca, 2 Episodes) |
2231-2441 | ||
2003 | 212 (with Dot's Story or Perfectly Frank) |
2442-2653 |
(Includes 1 sunday episode. [16] | |
2004 | 210 (with 3 Doubles + Pat and Mo) |
2654-2863 | (Includes 1 sunday episode. [17])213 with Pat and Mo. 3 episodes has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [18] [19] [20] | |
2005 | 211 (with 2 Doubles) |
2864-3074 | (Includes 1 sunday episode. [21]) | |
2006 | 211 (with 4 Doubles) |
3075-3285 | (4 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [22] [23] [24] [25] Includes 1 sunday episode. [26]) | |
2007 | 212 (with 3 Doubles) |
3286-3497 | ||
2008 | 212 (with 5 Doubles) |
3498-3709 | (1 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules, moved to next day. [27] Includes 2 sunday episodes. [28] [29]) | |
2009 | 213 (with 3 double) |
3710-3922 | ||
2010 | 209 (+9 double=213, + 1 comic relief) |
3923-4135 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2011 | 210 (+2 double=212) |
4136-4347 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2012 | 206 (+6 double = 212 + 3 red button) |
4348-4559 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2013 | 211 (+4 double = 215 + 2 red button + 1 Comic Relief special) |
4560-4774 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2014 | 206 (+7 double = 213 + 3 online) |
4775-4987 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2015 | 209 (+5 double = 214) |
4988-5201 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2016 | TBA | 5202-present (Jan-Dec) |
References
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1994-07-05#at-19.30 Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:44, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Starting a new thread as the episode numbers one is massive.
We know that 12 July 1994 is episode 1000, but ages ago when I did a manual list of dates, that date is 999 on the list - any ideas where it may have gone wrong? Shall we just wait and see as we work our way through the years? Anemone Projectors 21:17, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: I think I have now updated most things accordingly, but not the following years - see how it pans out up to episode 1000 first. I'm wondering if the same thing might apply to "The Return of Nick Cotton" (2000), "Ricky & Bianca" (2 episodes in 2002), "Dot's Story" (2003), "Perfectly Frank" (2003), and "Pat and Mo" (2004). If they are counted in the numbering, we should do the same as I have done with "Civvy Street" and consider them true EastEnders episodes, and it might really help account for the numbering differences too. Anemone Projectors 18:08, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Additionally I have added all the double episodes to the list but I cannot seem to find a place to put these on the list. 7 July 2011, 25 December 2011, 6 June 2012 and 11 September 2013. Sorry if this message take up too much space. I apologise in advance if my instructions for how to work out the Infax episodes numbers are not very good. Thanks Kelvin Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:09, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
When checking 159 is the amount of regular episodes, I check entries from Mon-Sat there was 228, like you say there is 69 that are not EastEnders weekly episodes 228-69= 159 episodes
But then that means it does not include these episodes aired on Sunday 2 Regular episodes and 1 special.
I am confused, unless the two parts Omnibus only count as one? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:23, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Just thought I'd mention that we know the first 1000 episodes have the right numbers, as long as we include Civvy Street. See User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes#List of EastEnders episodes, where 12 July 1994 is the 1000th episode listed and is episode number 1000. Anemone Projectors 23:01, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
I checked Digital Spy for the double episode on 26 November 2009 and found out that it did indeed have a double number. So having done all that now, we have the following:
If there are 2 doubles missing, then we'd be consistently 6 out, meaning that possibly the 6 spin-offs aren't included. But there aren't any other doubles in 2009. Anemone Projectors 09:49, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: I found another missing one. Here are some of the ref points according to the list with the spin-offs excluded
Meaning actually they all now match! Are we agreed then that Civvy Street is inluded but other spin-offs are not, and the first episode with a double number is 26 November 2009? Anemone Projectors 13:23, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi do you think it's worth putting a note about schedule changes by the appropriate episode, I have identified a few below they all seem to be when a football match is on. Although i'm not sure about the last one with EastEnders being scheduled for 7:30am I have asked Genome about it.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:49, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234:Hi do you think it's overkill to mention a different air time if it's due to the Christmas or New Year Schedules and not a sporting event. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:09, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I have added the dates in on your episodes list from 3328 9 March 2007 to 3916 31 December 2009. I have also moved all the numbers up as 9 March did not have a number. Do you think we should go back to the auto number list but for the double episodes lay it out like this
or are you happy with the manual list as well. I have put all the dates into excel with the manual list so we can move about the manual list easier. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. When looking for information on when EastEnders reset its episode numbers, I found this about when The Bill reset its numbers. From that, I looked at The Bill (series 25), and saw that they have an initial column for the number of episodes (in that series) and then the final column is for the production code. We could do this!
No. overall |
No. in year |
Original air date | Running time | Directed by | Written by | Viewers (millions) |
Prod no. |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
???? | 1 | 30 minutes | Toby Frow | Anya Reiss | 8.09 | 5202 | |
On Mick and Linda's wedding day, their son Lee is missing; when Mick and Lee's girlfriend Whitney find him, Whitney says she did not mean it when she previously said she wanted to end their relationship, and they hug. Mick's brother Dean arrives at the wedding venue, and his mother Shirley tells him not to ruin it for them, but he says he is there for her, because she tried to drown him after discovering he is a rapist. They argue by the side of a lake where she attempts to call the police, but when Mick sees them, Dean jumps in the lake, taking Shirley with him. Meanwhile, Roxy decides to leave the country following Dean's attempted rape, but her mother Glenda and sister Ronnie try to convince her to stay, and Denise receives a visiting order for her former husband Lucas, who is in prison. |
That's how it would look. But we'd have to know exactly how many broadcasts there had been (and we'd have to decide if we count Civvy Street etc), and then we could put in the episode numbers (production codes) when we know them (and we only know a handful of them before 2009, and we'd have to put in the reset numbers and then find out when the reset stopped... that's complicated!). I only suggest this because of the difference between episode numbers and number of episodes. We currently go by episode numbers - but then again I reckon so does the BBC, they would probably say the 5000th episode was episode 5000. The reason I know this is on "EastEnders Greatest Cliffhangers" for the 25th anniversary, they said there had been 3918 episodes, and that's where I got that magical number of 3918! So we should probably do the same and just forget I mentioned anything :) Anemone Projectors 12:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
And what Kelvin said about EastEnders Live having its number referenced as the number of episodes by BBC News! Anemone Projectors 12:29, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I have some bad new I have just went through 2002 and discovered a number of problems it means there has not been 220 episodes but 213. But there is a few more years to check, it might even itself out.
No episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-09-22#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-09-09#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-10-06#at-13.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-10-27#at-13.55
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-11-03#at-13.25
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-11-10#at-13.40
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-11-11#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-11-12#at-19.30
Mislabeled
11 December 2002 should be 12 December 2002
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-12-11#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-12-12#at-19.30
Missing from list
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-11-14#at-19.30
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:30, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
No episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-02-10#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-09-13#at-20.00
"Perfectly Frank"? wrong place should be 21 September 2003 http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-09-21#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-10-26#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-11-09#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-11-16#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-11-28#at-20.00
Missing from list
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-02-24#at-20.00
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:17, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
No episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-01-25#at-15.05
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-02-01#at-15.20
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-02-22#at-13.55
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-02-29#at-14.50
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-03-07#at-15.25
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-03-28#at-15.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-04-04#at-14.10
Missing from list
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-09-23#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-09-24#at-20.00
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:42, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Missing from list
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-02-01#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-05-27#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-07-05#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-08-18#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-10-17#at-20.00
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:32, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 12:14, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
No episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-01-01#at-10.50
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-01-15#at-15.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-01-29#at-14.15
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-02-19#at-14.45
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-10-20#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-11-03#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-12-15#at-20.00
Missing from list
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-08-01#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-08-03#at-19.30
Mislabeled
Double not two seperate episodes http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-03-24#at-20.00
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Extended Episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1998-04-10#at-20.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1998-07-09#at-19.25
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-09-07#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2001-03-01#at-19.40
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1999-12-31#at-17.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-01-31#at-17.30
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:39, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
No Episode
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-01-21#at-13.25
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-02-18#at-15.15
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-02-25#at-15.20
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-03-18#at-14.55
Missing from List
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-01-22#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-01-23#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-03-19#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-03-22#at-19.30
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi I have finished 2008 let me know how's it looking so far at least theres more wrong ones removed now.
No Episode
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-08-12#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-12-03#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-12-10#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-12-17#at-19.30
Missing from List
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-06-25#at-19.30
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:03, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Doubles Found
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-12-25#at-21.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-06-18#at-20.00
Episodes that did not air
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-10-30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-12-11
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-01-01#at-20.30
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:20, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I put sandbox4 to the main list and deleted my other sandboxes as unneeded. But - Problem!!! The 2nd episode on 23 July 2012, with the Olympic Flame, is definitely episode 4466 ( http://www.webcitation.org/697uC0ACP) but we have it listed as 4465!! Anemone Projectors 13:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
I just wanted to put this here - I said earlier "Yes, I do trust Digital Spy. I noticed some time ago that on their old website, you could get the episode number by looking at images from an episode" and have found an example when going through character pages for episode numbers - this was sourcing Archie's date of death but clearly gives the episode number 3939, which also matches what we have. I thought it was worth keeping. Anemone Projectors 22:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Wrongly listed episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-12-31#at-20.00
Missing episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-10-31#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-12-12#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-01-31#at-17.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-12-25#at-20.25
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi looking at 31 January 2000 according to IMDB there was only 1 episode not 2 but its hard to tell on Genome http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-01-31 because they list 3 and they arn't label altertative schedule but looking at the Omnibus http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-02-06#at-13.00 there only seems to be 3 episodes for that week Mon,Tue, Thurs, not 4. Also on the old EastEnders site there no mention of it being a 2 parter http://web.archive.org/web/20060412153635/http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/eastenders/episodes/episode_content/episode20001231.shtml
I also wanted to ask you how you went about getting the air dates from IMDB was it just a simple copy and paste or was there a way of extract them from the list reason I ask I want to compare dates to see if there is some IMDB don't have which may mean possibly there was no episodes on that day.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/london/2011/11/18#evening
Um, if it helps, Colin Brake's book "EastEnders: The First 10 Years" lists episode numbers at the back, with writers and directors. 952 aired 07/04/94 and the new episode 1 aired on 11/04/94. It lists up to ep 88 (31/10/94). However, to complicate matters, Civvy Street is not mentioned and the episode does not appear in the table. HTH! Stephenb (Talk) 18:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
"Regarding your further queries, the production team provided the following data: They have had 5242 episodes since the series began. They work at roughly 208 episodes per year."
Thanks Stephenb I didn't know the first EastEnders: The First 10 Years listed episodes, I have actually ordered the book so that will be an added bonus when I get it.
Failing us not being able to work it out we might is to email BBC Studios [email protected] or ring the EastEnders Helpdesk number 020 822 87777. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:12, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Looking at 1994-2009 https://www.diffchecker.com/a1kbntcc were the problem is maybe it has something to do with Alternative Schedules 25 June 2008 has already been removed but it shows that the episode sypois is the same for the 26 June 2008 and the Sunday Omnibus shows only 4 episodes not 5. There might be another like that one we need to find. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:30, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Stephenb: Hi I have just got an email back from Genome about 19 March 2007. Remember we were not sure about this date because Genome had three episode listed and the BBC schedule said it didn't air. The reply is below.
"Eastenders was scheduled in RT, but Match of the Day Live actually went out – it was an FA Cup Replay, which is why it was unscheduled. It’s looking like there was a single episode shown on the 20th, with a double-length edition on the 22nd to get things back on schedule. We are sticking with what was in RT for the moment but when we get to the stage of putting what actually went out we will have the full details on the Genome site."
Also found these old radiotime pages not sure whether I have the dates right. Can you take a look please.
4265 - 18 August 2011
4293 - 4 October 2011
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:05, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Oh no, I've found a 55-minute episode on 27 November 2003! http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-11-27 Anemone Projectors 12:56, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
It's ok saw the note on the list, I wonder where those 5 mistakes could be. I was looking on BARB on BBC One 1998 29 Feb-6 Mar. I am confused number 8 is it saying there was any episode on Fri 6 March and I am sure there was no 29 Feb in 1998. Am I reading it right? I don't see a listing http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1998-03-06#at-19.30 Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I have had an idea just not sure how to execute it I have done a search on Digital Spy and have found this is the first episode entry http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/eastenders/spoilers/a8138/friday-4th-january-2000/ all the EastEnders episode pages seem to start with http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/eastenders/spoilers/ I know the episode numbers don't appear until 15 June 2009 - episode 3806 but if we could extract the data then we could possibly compare it to what we have with Genonme and hopeful work out an errors it just getting the data that is the tricky bit. If there is no errors then that would mean it would be somewhere before 2000. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/eastenders/images/c/c2/Soap_Spoilers_-_Digital_Spy.pdf/revision/latest?cb=20160320215946 So at the very least we can see the dates. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
I've just discovered that EastEnders Wikia have some episodes. It's not a reliable source but I thought I'd compare. They only have 1985, 1990, 1994, 2009, 2013, 2014 and 2015
So they've clearly used some unreliable list to get it so wrong in 2009, but they've used the correct numbers from where we know what the exact correct numbers are (their first ep after confirmed numbers from 15 June 2009 is in 2013). Worth checking, but not helpful in the end. Anemone Projectors 15:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi looking at the table like you say nothing stands out I was looking at the 10 Year book and though I would share this information. I have put it in a table as it's easier to read. I haven't check all the airdates but like Stephenb said Civvy Street does not appear. By my count there is 952 episode before reset, then to get to 12 July 1994 there's another 41 that 952+41= 933 + 7 other episodes labeled A or B thats now 1000 without Civvy Street. So civvy Street does not need to be include its just finding that one episode date in the book. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Episode # | Airdate | Notes |
---|---|---|
1 | 19 February 1985 | First episode |
194A | 25 December 1986 | |
194B | 25 December 1986 | |
298 | 24 December 1987 | |
298A | 25 December 1987 | |
300 | 31 December 1987 | |
300A | 31 December 1987 | |
358 | 21 July 1988 | |
358A | 26 July 1988 | |
372 | 13 September 1988 | |
372A | 15 September 1988 | |
818 | 24 December 1992 | |
818A | 25 December 1992 | |
922 | 23 December 1993 | |
922A | 25 December 1993 | |
952 | 7 April 1994 | Last episode before reset. |
1 | 11 April 1994 | First episode of reset |
88 | 31 October 1994 | Last episode in book |
Sorry it looks like in the book the list was mess up it not 88 episodes as of 31 October 1994 it 87 they missed a number of so it looks like Civvy Street would have to be included to make the numbers up to 1000. The mistake is below.
952 (episode pre reset)+ 40 (episode post reset) = 933 + 7 other episodes labeled A or B thats now 999. looks like Civvy Street is here to stay.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:51, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
I have found the exact dates for the others as well. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:08, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Also I have managed to find all the pages BBC Episode guide pages 2001-2008 all link are here User:Kelvin 101/BBC EastEnders Episode Links There are a few anomaly with the dates https://www.diffchecker.com/gall7r19 but they might misdated by the BBC. December 2008 was not on the old BBC site Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:29, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Episode 676: (6 July 1998)
Episode 766: (25 January 1999)
Episode 970 (24 April 2000)
Year | # INFAX Total | # Genome Omnibus | # INFAX - Omnibus | # Episodes (ours) | Notes |
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1985 | 136 | 45 | 91 | 91 | |
1986 | 157 | 52 | 105 | 105 | |
1987 | 159 | 52 | 107 | 107 | |
1988 | 157 | 52 | 105 | 105 | Includes Civvy Street |
1989 | 157 | 53 | 104 | 104 | |
1990 | 156 | 52 | 104 | 104 | |
1991 | 158 | 52 | 106 | 105 | |
1992 | 158 | 52 | 106 | 106 | |
1993 | 157 | 52 | 105 | 105 | |
1994 | 194 | 53 | 141 | 142 | 1 Sunday episode and 2 Alternative Schedules |
1995 | 211 | 54 | 157 | 157 | 1 Omnibus aired on BBC2 and 1 aired on a Monday |
1996 | 217 | 56 | 161 | 161 | 1 Monday Omnibus |
1997 | 217 | 56 | 161 | 162 | |
1998 | 220 | 60 | 160 | 164 (168 inc doubles) |
4 doubles , 1 Alt Schedules, 2 Sunday Eps |
1999 | 223 | 56 | 167 | 169 (170 inc doubles) |
1 double, 1 Omnibus aired Monday, 3 episodes on a Sunday. |
2000 | 215 | 56 | 159 | 161 | 1 Alt Schedule, 2 sunday episodes, Omnibus in Two Two Parts (2 Parts could count as 1) |
2001 | 272 | 54 | 218 | 179 | Omnibus in Two Two Parts |
2002 | 312 | 57 | 255 | 209 | Omnibus Five Two Parts |
2003 | 287 | 54 | 233 | 209 (210 inc doubles) |
1 double, Omnibus in Two Two Parts |
2004 | 283 | 57 | 226 | 208 (212 inc doubles) |
4 doubles, Omnibus Five Two Parts |
2005 | 268 | 56 | 212 | 209 (211 inc doubles) |
2 doubles, Omnibus Five Two Parts |
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi remember a while ago we look at the numbers of INFAX http://web.archive.org/web/20060525104744/http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/EASTENDERS I have had another look and made this table it basically shows the number of episode INFAX reports, the amount of Omnibus found on Genome, INFAX episode number - Genome Omnibuses = the amount of episodes that should in that year and to the right of that the amount of episodes we have. Everything seem to match up 1985-90 then it starts to go a bit funny. Any ideas for the differences? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
Hi they sent the list over https://www.diffchecker.com/gvegs2j6 I haven't had time to go through it all but it see, but would seem that their list has a lot of incorections on it but then again. It a shame we only really have Genome to check pre 2007 dates on. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:12, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi is do you think locatetv.com reset numbering is reliable? I have added the earliest I could find to the reset list User:Kelvin_101/EastEnders_Episodes_Reset and the main list 18 April 2008 (1414) and a few others Kelvin 101 ( talk) 01:04, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Just thought I'd mention that I found someone's website where they had added synopses of EastEnders episodes from 1997 to 2000 (plus a few in 1985), and I thought I'd compare. See https://www.diffchecker.com/0zxgoh53 - they don't have these:
But does have:
*17 September 1999
Their site is here [5] but is broken so easiest thing is to Google "site:www.angelfire.com/me/tvsoaps/ eastenders" or replace "eastenders" in the search with the month and year to find the page. Any anomalies? Anemone Projectors 12:50, 3 April 2016 (UTC) Anemone Projectors 12:50, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I notice the message on the list for 6 May 2011. I checked it against TV Locate at it agrees with Digital Spy.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm confident that now we only have to remove two dates from the list. One could be Civvy Street, so we may only need to find one error.
Looking at the reset list, reset 1 is correct at 822 but 1 out at 872 (however 826 is 1 out the other way!? An error?), so do we need to focus on 1999? The only thing in 1999 I can see is a double episode, but even if it was counted as 1 at the time, it looks like all doubles were counted as 2 when the 3rd reset was done, and I can't see that they would have missed one out. The numbers in reset 2 are all 1 out as well, but it could be as simple as 10 August 2001 was not the first reset episode. Anemone Projectors 10:51, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: This is probably wrong but thought I would share it anyway, managed to make numbers match on this list User:Kelvin_101/EastEnders_Episodes_List_2 I figured what if they kept the same original way of numbering e.g) 194A and 194B and assume that the spin-off were included on the list but hour long episode before 2000 were not counted. Again this is just guesswork, let me know what you think thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Might need to rethink the spin-off list list, I have found another two hour long episodes. It the gift that just keeps giving.
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-08-28#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-02-18#at-20.00
Although now everything in Reset 2 List seems to match so it just Reset 1 List 11 April 1994 - 9 August 2001
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:02, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi good point I am still playing around with the Reset 1 list for now. I have made the adjustments to the hourlong episodes. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:36, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I have had another look at the INFAX numbers and they seem to make a bit more sense now User:Kelvin_101/EastEnders_Episodes_Reset#INFAX. When you take 2 parts counting as 1 and added on extra programmes like EastEnders Revealed which they seem to count in INFAX. It does shows that, they 1998,1999 and 2000 hour long episode only count as one. I will try and finish off INFAX and try and tidy the table up a bit. I will have a look at your list. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:54, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I have used OCR on all the airdates in the First 10 Years Book to get all the airdates up to 31 October 1994 https://www.diffchecker.com/k7hret9u There are a few minor differences. It says 4 misnumbered dates and 1 missing episode but will need to look into them. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
According to Genome EastEnders did not air those days a part from one of them being an Omnibus. Worth a try I suppose. We do have all the airdates no I think. I am more convinced now its more about the way they are numbered. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:33, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Currently, our numbering is over by 5, meaning overall we need to remove 5 numbers. Here are some theories:
I'm not worried about making episode 1000 the 1000th episode - as it is referred to as the 1000th episode but it doesn't mean it has to be numbered episode 1000. None of these theories really work out, though. Anemone Projectors 10:44, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Episode # | Airdate | Notes |
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194A/B | 25 December 1986 | Two Episode on same day. |
298/A | 24 + 25 December 1987 | |
300/A | 31 December 1987 | Two Episode on same day. |
358/A | 21 + 26 July 1988 | This does not seem like a two-parter, not even in same week. |
372/A | 13 + 15 September 1988 | This does not seem like a two-parter, Different Writer/Director for each episode. |
818/A | 24 + 25 December 1992 | |
922/A | 23 + 25 December 1993 |
Another theory is that 27 November 2003 (50 minutes) counts as 1 not 2. Anemone Projectors 18:12, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
I apologise for the quality of some of the scans sometimes the directors/writers names don't come out clear, they need redone at some point. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:01, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi building on your theories, I have thought of a few. I am working on the assumption that the 7 A/B number are still present on the list. That leaves us with 2 episodes under.
Please let me know what you think of these theories. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:45, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I found this theory on Digital Spy Forum, it may help account for some the episodes that would need removed it would also possible corroborate for 18 February 2010 counting as only one.
"When they merge two eps to make a one hour one they usually count them as two separate episodes still, two writers are credited and each half retains its own episode number, which is why they count them as two. The merged ones are often merged at the last minute for scheduling reasons. If an episode is planned to be one hour long from the outset then it will count as one episode."
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi just received this email from BBC Archives, seems promising.
"We hold a collection of Programme-as-Broadcast documents here (PasBs) which contain the basic production details for all BBC programmes, including the Episode numbers for EastEnders.
From checking these I can confirm that the episodes were numbered 1 to 952 from 19/02/1985 to 07/04/1994. Then the numbering system restarted again with the episode on 11/04/1994 being Episode 1, coinciding with the beginning of there being 3 episodes a week.
The Civvy Street episode on 26/12/1988 does not have an official episode number according to the PasB, but I have checked a few of the hour long episodes (not all of them) and it looks as if these were counted as two episodes with two numbers per episode according to the numbering system.
In 2001 they decided to start from 1 again, when it changed to 4 episodes a week. So the episode on 06/08/2001 is Episode 1 according to PasBs.
Finally, in 2009 they decided to go back to the original numbering system - so the episode on 13/04/2009 is listed as number 3770 on the PasB (this is counting back from the first episode in 1985). This then matches up with the numbers on your table from the Radio Times.
I hope this is enough information to answer your query. It would be too time-consuming for me to check every special to confirm whether it counts as 1 or 2 episodes but if you have a few specific dates you would like the episode numbers confirming I can check these for you."
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:10, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Just found a different archive version that has Alfie Moon arrives. http://web.archive.org/web/20081231180052/http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/eastenders/eastde22.htm I can only guess they must have messed the page up somehow. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I heard back from the written archives, they could only give me the reset number as that is what is on the scripts.
"Glad to help – I’ve now had a look at the PasBs for the dates you have listed below and can confirm that they list the episode numbers as follows:
Hope this helps with your project,"
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:47, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi just came across this BBC Sale website it says the the World Cup episodes are supplemental episodes see link below. I am not 100% sure but it looks like they list the original numbers and reset numbers.
Do you think it's still worth confirming? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:06, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: There is more Seasons on this page 14-23, I think as far as it goes from 1998 to 20 November 2003. http://web.archive.org/web/20100411021506/http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/eastenders/eastmain.htm I had forgot about angelfire good call as Genome only gives very a limited synopsis. You were right about the A/B numbers there being more one example I found 10 April 1998 being 639/A then being re-numbered 1591/92 but then I wonder about the 7 A/B's if they were re-numbered. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:34, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Will try and match the reset list as well
User:Kelvin_101/EastEnders_Episodes_Reset#Reset_1_.281994-2001.29
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Well done in finding the hour-episode. They seem to use the same synopsis on the BBC Sale site as they do only the old EastEnders episode guides. http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/episodes/finder/list_episode_200305.shtml Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Wow well done I think you have cracked it, we know that they renumbered 10 April 1998 which was 639a so yeah It make sense they would have also renumbered the A/B's. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Just found a different archive version that has Alfie Moon arrives. http://web.archive.org/web/20081231180052/http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/eastenders/eastde22.htm I can only guess they must have messed the page up somehow. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
Was Phil arrest for Lisa's Murder on the 29 November 2002 because it on this list it seems to be 2 December 2002. Which maybe wrong. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:49, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
I do believe we are correct as of 18 November 2002 but my gut tells me that the 5 episode dates mentioned above should all be included. That means as of the 3rd reset (sandbox5 list) we are 3 out as of 13 April 2009. It's a shame that list doesn't continue. We probably have some hour-long episodes that are counted as a single episode. It'll probably be another request to the Archives though there's a lot of them. @ Kelvin 101: you could also ask about the two episodes on 25 December 2002. anemone projectors 16:26, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi unfortunately I have already sent the email asking for 20 November 2002, 21 November 2002, 29 November 2002, 16 December 2002 and 17 December 2002. But I am sure they won't mind in the next email. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:29, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Apparently 29 November 2002 was Spencer Moon's first appearance. Thannks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:22, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: So I have another theory, and that is that 5 September 1999 isn't counted, since according to BBC Sales, it didn't have an original episode number. This could be another one to ask about on email. anemone projectors 13:13, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi yeah the BBC Genome did confirm before that the 22 March 2007 was a 60 minutes episode because of Match of the Day taking priority on 19 March 2007. But you're right it could count as either one or two. I would love to know what the criteria is for just giving them one number if they are an hour-long. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:12, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: looking through the Series 16 list I Don't know if you came across this "908 UK SKIPPED THIS EPISODE # IT DOES NOT EXIST". Not sure what to make of that. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Found this http://www.kqed.org/tv/programs/archive/index.jsp?pgmid=9408&date=20070401 the dates are no UK airdates but might be able to match up some episodes from Synpois for example the below episode number matches in both the BBC Sale site and KQED Inc.
Having discovered that Trevor deleted Zoe's message, she stands up to him and leaves. Zoe contracts pnuemonia. Barry discovers Roy with Jane and is sworn to secrecy. (2223)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: I thought I'd have another look at my BBC Sales list with numbers ( User:AnemoneProjectors/sandbox) and noticed it goes one out as at number 1882 but is fine as at 1755. Can we add more reference points to this part of the list to try to find where the difference is? Or have we already established it? anemone projectors 17:05, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
I will take a look and come back to you asap. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:51, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:26, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I just came across something strange I found the picture of a script that was given away as part of a competition in Canada http://www.visiontv.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/EESwagSweepstakes_SignedScript.jpg the scripts is 4658 but on the bottom it says issued 20 August 2014. But we know that episode as 17 June 2013. Do you think the reason for that date was because it was for the competition. I also saw this picture and of Episode 3+4 and it I cross check the director's name which was wrong on the 1985 Article List. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ Kelvin 101: I looked the numbers you found from Getty Images, and saw that numbers in reset 2 didn't match up to what we had. I recreated User:AnemoneProjectors/sandbox to see how I could make them match - the changes I made are marked ***. For most of them I could find 2-parters or longer episodes, but one of them I didn't, so I just changed 6 May 2003. However, if we were to then implant these changes into the main list, as of 2009 it is 10 out, meaning 10 need to be added! 7 of them are probably original As and Bs (I am pretty sure they need to be counted as of the 3rd reset), but that still leaves a difference of 3. Therefore this still hasn't helped. Therefore I don't think finding more original numbers from reset 2 is going to make much difference, though I do wonder if it does give us a clue as to some of the hour-long episodes that have now been counted as a single number - I think good candidates are 25 December 2004, 18 February 2005, and 25 December 2005. These are more likely to have been deliberately written as hour-long episodes as two of them are Christmas episodes and the other is the 20th anniversary. If I am correct, then as of 13 April 2009, we are just 1 out. See User:AnemoneProjectors/sandbox6. anemone projectors 15:45, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Its strange only some episodes are listed on getty although I suspect they all might be there, it just what has been index in google as I can't find them on the Getty site. This is the link I have been using below.
I do agree with your points as soon as the written archives gets back in touch we can get those dates checked. On the reset list I hadn't counted the 2 parters as 1 as I was just collate the numbers. All 2 parters count as 1 second reset. It's a shame Getty doesn't list the reset numbers with the retroactive numbers.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:08, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I found the reset number for the ones you mentioned it looks like 18 February 2005 only counts as one.
I have no idea how I managed to find this link but can find the majority of episodes using the date filter on the side. http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/search/more-like-this/BBC_DRAA402K
The reset list is nearly done there is just a bit of tweaking with checking Getty whether hour-long episodes and 2 Parters count as 1 or 2. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC) Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I think I found one of the hour-long episodes that counts as 1
I have made a table with all the hour long episodes and their numbers. User:Kelvin_101/EastEnders_Hour_Long_Episodes two more episodes to find. Maybe to narrow it down. We should look to see if the hour-long episodes has two writer or just one. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:41, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I found a lot of scripts numbers on this site http://www.worthpoint.com/inventory/search?currencyCode=GBP&query=EASTENDERS+SCRIPT&categories=%7B%7D&channels=%7B%7D&max=100&rMin=&rMax=&sort=BestMatch&absoluteMax=632&layout=grid&saleLocation=UK&datasource=&datasourceName=&sourceUrl=&searchForm=search&restrictTo=worldwide&_img=&img=on its basicaly an archive of what is sold on ebay all the numbers seem to match up a part from 24 November 1998. It says its 738 but the reset list says it's 737. But might be a mistake as I cannot see the picture of script clearly and BBC sales notes it as 737 and synopsis matched date in Genome.
Although the numbers match up I am still curious about 5 December 1995 Part 1 + Part 2, According to Getty they are 268A/268B, 24+25 December 1996 could possibly 430/430A and 31 March 1997 Part 1 & Part 2 could possibly 471A/471B. Although then deducting 3 would me you would need to find three. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:28, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi sorry I was talking about the reset list which I was hoping that would help us solve the main list. It a shame we can't get access to bbcworldwidesales.com as they would likley have a full list but its only for businessss. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:27, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I came across these retroactive episode numbers on the official EastEnders Youtube channel. I am surprised I never noticed it before. I don't know if it will help us but thought I would mention it just in case. https://www.youtube.com/show/eastenders/playlists
on a clip if you click "show more" it shows you information like
I have tried to put them onto this list and match them up User:Kelvin_101/Test#List_of_EastEnders_episodes. It gets a bit tricky after 2 March 1995.
A selection of the air date and episode numbers are below.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi not sure if you have seen the British Soap Awards 2016, but Adam Woodyatt made a reference to Episode 527 when he was talking about Steve McFadden first appearance which was 20 February 1990. Trouble is we are one out on the main list. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:14, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
British Soap Awards 2016 Clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTmIb0sLvzQ
If there was only there was a way to contact him and ask him, where he got that number.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:40, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I came across this Freedom of Information Request made to the BBC in 2011
The person making the request wanted to know the episode and airdate of a specific episode. They provided the BBC with a synopsis. The BBC replied "Ep c963 (tx: 06.03.2006)"
It seems to match up with Genome and the reset list.
Strangely as it was 2011, I would have thought they would have given him a retroactive number instead.
I previously made a request for an episode list but it was turned down due to "Please note that the information you have requested is excluded from the Act because it is held for the purposes of ‘journalism, art or literature"
We know that the third reset starts 13 April 2009 on episode 3770. I am now wondering if I make a request for the air dates for the episode 1000, 2000, 3000 or possible 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500, 3000. Then because it not to much information for them to find out they might grant the request.
In other news I was speaking to someone on the Walford Gazette website and they said they would like to write a story about the project we are trying to do possibly to be published in late June. I did tell him I would have to ask your permission. Does this seem like a good idea? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:24, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Also have received an email back from the BBC in reply to the Freedom of Information request for the air date of episode 1000,1500,2000,2500,3000,3500 unfortunately they have refused it saying that it's only held for journalism but I have requested it be reviewed as it mentions on the information commissioner site.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:26, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Recently, I've observed episode numbers being added to some articles for characters arriving or leaving in around 2008 (not sure if I saw it for one in 2006) which are consistently 2 out with our list, which we know is 2 out. When I wrote the Pretty Baby article, I gave it the number 3517, though not sure where I got it from now, which is also 2 out. So thinking our error is somewhere before 2008, rather than at the very end of the reset. Just a thought. anemone projectors 09:07, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I certainly agree with you that the error is before 2008, going on the reset list I would say between 11 April 1994 and 2008. Reason I mention 11 April 1994 the start of the first reset is because I noticed after a search on the National Archives site that in the Special Collections Department Library at the University of Glasgow, they had a 68 scripts of the writer Susan Boyd and sent me a list of all the Episode numbers and Transmission dates data here User:Kelvin 101/Susan Boyd Scripts but at certain points they are either 1 out or 2 out in 1994/1996 and 1997. I am trying to find out the reason for this.
I have still not heard back from the BBC Freedom of Information Request but I think thats good as it should mean they are looking into the request. With regard to Pretty Baby.... episode 3517 is it possible you counted back from the Radio Times numbering? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 12:57, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: I have made a list of all the anomalies I could find on the User:Kelvin 101/BBC Sales Records, if you come across any others please let me know.
The last episode 20 November 2003 on BBC Sale ends 2616 It is likely if these four episodes are include it would now end 2620 .
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:58, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
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Were missed of the final list and 5 September 1999 the hong long which counts as two according to BBC Sales (previous we thought it was one and still is on the main list). That leaves one out and thinking back the mention that Adam Woodyatt made during the British Soap Awards makes me think of Civvy Street being included to make 12 July 1994 the 1000th episode as its claimed on they TV advert for that episode. This would all fit User:Kelvin 101/List of EastEnders episodes TEST. Although the reset was not done till 2009 and the BBC Sales list were made few years before that. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:22, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
# | No. in year |
Original air date | Running time | Directed by | Written by | Viewers (millions) | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
— | 191 | 30 minutes | Geoff Harris | Lynne Dallow | TBA | ||
Note: This episode is not included in the overall numbering of the EastEnders episodes. |
There is not many more year pages to do just 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006. But at the end we will need to try and fill in the blanks on certain directors/writers, if we can. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 10:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
I know you are most like right but now we are coming to the end keeping thinking of different combinations and I know I am overthinking it. Thanks 00:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi there nothing urgent so I want ping you. I was just editing User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (1999) and noticed there are already some episode numbers there. For example 4 January 1999 its down as 1723 but BBC Sales Records says it's 1712. You don't happen to know the source of 1723? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:09, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: I saw a few bits on User:RachelRice/List of EastEnders episodes (2015) where it says (eg) "Last appearance of Khali Best as Dexter Hartman and Anna Acton as DC Emma Summerhayes." and I thought this seemed a good idea, despite the fact I hadn't kept it up or done it anywhere myself... so I thought I'd add them in for 2016, but I'm confused as to what to do, so am wondering if we should actually bother at all.
Firstly, do we include returns or former regular characters in guest appearances (such as Glenda/Charlie/Jean/Ollie/Ryan)? If we do, it'll be very cluttered, especially if it's just for one or two episodes. And we don't really know what's going on with Mo anymore...
Secondly, currently I've added in the last appearances for Kat and Alfie, but if they do return after the spin-off, then it should probably be removed, and it seems likely that would be forgotten.
So actually I'm now wondering if it's not worth bothering at all - the cast list say how many episodes they were in, and the episode summary usually makes it clear that a character has arrived or left. So what are your thoughts on putting this information in? Anemone Projectors 16:22, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
In the cast lists, I list any cast member if the character is mentioned in the plots. In User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2016), I have added Bert and Ernie Moon, because I mentioned them and their portrayers are known, but as they are uncredited, I've put "unknown episodes" and a note saying they are uncredited. Am I right to do this? It's similar to Tracey in 2015, where she is only credited a couple of times but is mentioned in plots. Could I attempt to count their appearances before all of January's episodes expire (possibly not worth is, or I'd have to count Tracey's too)? How about Pearl? I haven't mentioned her yet, but the same would apply. Anemone Projectors 07:59, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234: Just to say that in the note I added about "infants", this is because children aged around 4 such as JJ and Lily (when she first arrived) have been credited, but children of this and similar ages weren't credited in the 80s and 90s, but they're not technically infants, so the notes should probably read "young children" rather than "infants". Maybe I should also change this for Bert and Ernie - and Pearl who is about to have her first birthday. Anemone Projectors 09:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Kelvin 101: I was about to start on adding the cast and characters onto the early years using the appearance guide on IMDb when I noticed the first nineteen episodes (19 February until 23 April) were given names. A similar format was used in the two episodes which aired on 19 February 2015. I wasn't sure if you would like to include these names or not? Soaper1234 ( talk) 14:56, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Well this is interesting, I just found this, which is an interview with Rob Gittins and says the following:
Tony Holland, the original creator of EastEnders insisted that all the writers title their episode, despite that title never appearing on screen.
Rob wrote the hour-long 30th anniversary episode of EastEnders which aired last year. Although the title never appears on screen, he called that episode 'Look Back in Anger', after the Oasis song.
“I usually use song titles. The old Beatles one, ‘Don’t Let Me Down’, was the most recent episode that I did” he adds.
So it looks like in the early days, the episodes were titled, and at least Rob Gittins still titles his episodes. We currently only know a small handful of episode titles, basically "Poor Old Reg", "Pretty Baby...." (which was on the script) and "Look Back in Anger" (also on the script). I'm not sure I trust the titles that IMDb has but it would be so good if we could find more titles, but it's probably impossible. We don't even know if "Don’t Let Me Down" would be the one he had most recently written before that interview or that was most recently broadcast. But I'm guessing that any episode that is titled has the title on the script's front page (the other scripts from the Live Week have no titles). — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 12:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:07, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234 and Kelvin 101: Where are we getting cast lists from, e.g. User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (1985)#Cast and characters? Anemone Projectors 22:33, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
As I have moved onto the 1986 cast, I have run into some issues that do not look like they make sense. I think your idea of doing an alphabetical list without a cast count may be a good idea. However, I may currently have someone that can provide me with some reliable numbers. Soaper1234 ( talk) 20:29, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and AnemoneProjectors: Hi, I noticed on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2016)#Cast and characters you had Shabnam written as "Shabnam Masood/Shabnam Kazemi". I wondered your reason behind this. I thought a better alternative may have been to write the name which she was most credited as throughout the year - so it would Shabnam Masood. Soaper1234 ( talk) 11:12, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and AnemoneProjectors: Doing the cast lists and I'm unsure of Nick Cotton's status within the show. Was he a regular throughout every appearance, would he be added as a "recurring and guest character". Of which years would he be a regular? Which years would he be a recurring/guest character? Soaper1234 ( talk) 17:11, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I was thinking about external links Pre 2007 do you think it's ok to use BBC Genome as the BBC don't have a programme guide on the EastEnders website as long as it list all the episodes.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 02:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
When an episode is a double and has two numbers - e.g. 5510/5511 - should we list it in that year as, for example, episode 1 in the year, or episode 1/2? And in the number of episodes in that year, should we count it as two or one? Anemone Projectors 16:32, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Continuing from my above comment (which I did write there but thought it was better as a new subject): I want these all to become mainspace articles when we have the full list, but then again I suppose we could move them into mainspace as and when each one is complete. What are your thoughts on when we should consider this ready to go into mainspace? Anemone Projectors 09:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
As you may be aware, I have added cast descriptions to 1985. I was wondering if you thought this would be okay for use or was too long/should it be changed. For the pages 1986 onwards, which I am editing I was going to just follow the idea of departures, returns and exits across the year as well as recasts etc. Is that alright or should it be edited? Thanks, Soaper1234 ( talk) 16:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi I know we sometimes have blank space for writers but mostly directors on the year pages. I noticed on the more recent entries on BBC Genome there are page such as
Tuesday 26 May 1999 that do not list a writer http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1992-05-26#at-19.30
but then on the Thursday 28 May 1992 it says "This week's episodes written by Susan Boyd" http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1992-05-28#at-19.30
is it ok to fill in these blanks even if it doesn't say it in the actual entry. Just want to make sure just incase I do it all wrong. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Just a quick reminder, if you're adding writers and directors, please check which have Wikipedia articles and add links appropriatey. I've done 1990 but not sure if I got them all - Leonard Lewis, Tony Jordan, Tony McHale, Rob Gittins, Mervyn Cumming and Tony Grounds all have articles, for example. Anemone Projectors 14:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
I have included a picture of the page of the book.
Somehow it seem to start to match up again at
Maybe there's an episode there that shouldn't be there.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:06, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Air Date | Genome Writer/Director |
Book Writer/Director |
Notes |
---|---|---|---|
12 April 1994 | No info | Tony Jordan/Leonard Lewis | |
14 April 1994 | Tony Jordan/Leonard Lewis | Ashley Pharoah/Keith Boak | |
18 April 1994 | No info | Ashley Pharoah/Keith Boak | |
19 April 1994 | No info | Ashley Pharoah/Keith Boak | |
21 April 1994 | Ashley Pharoah/Keith Boak | Example | |
25 April 1994 | Susan Boyd/Barbara Emile | Susan Boyd/Philip Casson | Genome has Barbara Emile as the director but mentions Philip Casson as producer might have it wrong way around? |
26 April 1994 | Susan Boyd | Susan Boyd/Philip Casson | |
28 April 1994 | Jeff Povey/Bill Hays | Jeff Povey/Bill Hays | Seems to Match |
3 May 1994 | No info | Jeff Povey/Bill Hays | |
5 May 1994 | week's episodes written Jeff Povey/Barrie Shore. Director:Bill Hays | Barrie Shore/Bill Hays | |
9 May 1994 | No info | Joanne Maguire/Geoff Feld | |
10 May 1994 | No info | Joanne Maguire/Geoff Feld | |
12 May 1994 | week's episodes written Joanne Maguire/Len Collin and Director: Geoff Feld. | Len Collin/Geoff Feld | |
16 May 1994 | Tony McHale/Stephen Garwood | Tony McHale/Stephen Garwood | Seems to Match |
17 May 1994 | Tony McHale | Tony McHale/Stephen Garwood | |
19 May 1994 | No info | Tony McHale/Stephen Garwood | |
23 May 1994 | Gillian Richmond/Penelope Shales | Gillian Richmond/Penelope Shales | Seems to Match |
24 May 1994 | No info | Gillian Richmond/Penelope Shales | |
26 May 1994 | No info | Gillian Richmond/Penelope Shales | |
30 May 1994 | No info | Michael Robartes/ Jeff Naylor | |
31 May 1994 | No info | Michael Robartes/ Jeff Naylor |
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234:Oh yeah found a useful piece of software called nbClipboard it's useful if you have lots to copy and paste. You basically just copy text and it queues it into a list then you can paste multiple items from that list one after another instead of going back and forth.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:29, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
The three new pages can be found here https://www.flickr.com/photos/30536759@N07/albums/72157671061439105
Strangely though even though it was published by a different publisher. The episode list remains the same with regard to no Episode 10 in the first reset. Which I find really strange might have to ask the written archives about that one. I did come up with a theory for this as it would make some sense as on the Reset 1 List they messed up the third programme number and didn't notice till later see below
I have a strong feeling that the mistake is somewhere within the first reset 11 April 1994 to 2 August 2001 as all the script numbers seem to match up in the second reset.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:26, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: I noticed you made this edit and rememebred I had made a list of some of the complaints at User:AnemoneProjectors/EastEnders complaints back in 2010. This should help in relation to some other eps, though I know my list is incomplete, even up to 2010 when I made it. Anemone Projectors 15:09, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
EastEnders complaint is at 3m 44s>
EastEnders Response:
Since it began in 1985, EastEnders has consistently entertained its millions of viewers each week with a huge breadth of wide ranging storylines, from the dramatic and powerful to the light and humorous. Our audience have a long and established relationship with the show and have come to expect our big dramatic moments as they continually follow the lives of those who live in Walford. EastEnders always seeks to tell new stories to entertain our viewers and we have a big summer ahead. We continue to be one of the most popular shows on the BBC and remain one of the most continuously requested shows on BBC iPlayer.
EastEnders Spokesperson
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:10, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
57 minutes should be treated the same as 60 minutes, because no episode is ever 30 minutes, but they are still listed as 30 minutes, most are 27 or 28 minutes. Anemone Projectors 23:38, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Going off topic I was trying to find a character today called "Estella Hulton" (2002) played by Ellen Thomas but there doesn't seem to be anything on her. Tried to find her first appearance date but can't seem to find one. Any ideas? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:58, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I just saw an article about the technical glitch in last night's episode and noticed that you have noted it in the 2016 Episodes article. It must have only been some parts of the country as I did not experience it. I was watching it on BBC One HD (London Version) as we do not have a HD version for are part of the country yet. Might by only SD broadcasts that were affected.
It going me thinking if there has been many more technical glitches we might be able to find on the news websites.
The only other one I could find was a sound glitch 22 October 2015 but thats already been noted http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/furious-eastenders-fans-demand-apology-6686237
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
Before 1998, we only know the ratings of the highest episode that year. Therefore, the rest should either be marked with N/A or the column could be removed for the rest of the months. Keeping the column would be consistent. Or we could keep them all in and put "Unknown". I think that's better as it shows that it is unknown. Any thoughts? anemone projectors 16:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I have conflicting information with regard to the ratings
Not sure which ones we should use. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:28, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Here are the link, do you think we could incorporate The Guardians table into the ratings section of the EastEnders article?
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:49, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Thanks for that I was looking at the rating for the first episode
The BBC say 13 million http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0276ht4 and so does this book "Understanding the Media: A Practical Guide" https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=tbGAAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=19+february+1985+eastenders+million&source=bl&ots=jUzr-Gw0N_&sig=2FuLg1BEWvIwnMrzX3hy67phhCg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW4uCarsbMAhVIJMAKHb-JBBkQ6AEISDAH#v=onepage&q=19%20february%201985%20eastenders%20million&f=false
but then again The Guardian and The Telegraph say 17 million which is quite a difference http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/feb/08/eastenders-bbc-25-years http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/02/29/the-history-of-eastenders/ Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
"Most of the figures from 1961 to 1997 came from back issues of two industry magazines - "Television Mail" from 1961 to 1973 and thereafter " Broadcast" (it's basically the same magazine, it just had a relaunch in '73).
If there's a chart placing alongside the figure, it came from the magazine, and the back issues were in the British Newspaper Library which is a part of the normal British Library, now based in St. Pancras. Now, that magazine only published the figure when the programme appeared in the top 10 (up to 1961) or the top 20 (thereafter).
Any viewing figure that's outside the top 10/20 and therefore on our site as "chart placing unknown" came from the Independent Broadcasting Authority archive which is held by the British Film Institute and can be viewed by appointment at their Rueben Library on London's South Bank. Post 1997 figures come from the BARB website."
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:36, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Looks like you can search but if you want to view the information it requires a subscription thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:44, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:58, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
<ref name="[name]">{{cite journal |last1=[name] |first1=[name] |date=[date] |url=[the link it is now at in the archive] |title=[article title] |access-date=[date you accessed it] |url-access=limited |format=[PDF, or something other than html] |journal=[[The Listener (magazine)|The Listener]] |volume=[if any] |issue=[number] |page=[number] |via=[[Gale (publisher)|Gale]] }}</ref>
Top 70 list
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:07, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Just checking - were those 9 missing ratings from 1985 really outside of the entire top 50 for BBC One those weeks? I'm finding that hard to believe, as all the others seemingly were all within the top 10. Could you make a note somewhere (on your missing data page maybe) of the lowest available rating for those weeks so we know that the rating would have been lower than that number? I'd be interested to see a screenshot if you could do that, just to see for myself as I find it so hard to believe! Not that I don't believe you, obviously! But I find it incredible. anemone projectors 09:47, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
With regard to the top 50 looking at it again that one is not weekly but rather monthly combined across BBC1/BBC2/ITV/Channel4.
But I did find weekly top 100 data combined across BBC1/BBC2/ITV/Channel4 but it seems to be sketchy especially the first mentioning it aired on Fri. These look like average figures rather than combined with both Tue/Thur and Sun.
Position= 20 - EastEnders - *Day= Fri *Millions = 13.40
Position= 24 - EastEnders - *Day= Tue, Thur, Sun *Millions =12.35
Position= 27 - EastEnders - *Day= Tue, Thur, Sun *Millions =11.78
Position= 23 - EastEnders - *Day= Tue, Thur, Sun *Millions = 12.48
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:13, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: We have a slight problem, I was reading ahead to 1998 and it turns out although the viewing figures on BARB site from July 1998 are combined with the Omnibus. The three magazine we are using switch from Combined figures to singular figures at different times so we only have combined figures up to April 1995. Ignore The Listener as that stops publication in January 1991. But the other two magazines info is below.
Up to December 1992 (combined viewing figures) - January 1993 onwards (Not combined viewing figures)
Up to April 1995 (combined viewing figures) - May 1995 onwards (Not combined viewing figures)
I was just wondering how to proceed as the first half of 1998 will would be singular figures and the second half combined.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:54, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Sorry I'm a bit behind as you can probably tell, but I just looked at the ratings for 1997 and you've said that the majority of them are not combined with the omnibus, however, there aren't any notes to say which are and which aren't, so does that mean none of them are combined? Also, for 15 December 1997 you've put "07.13", I just wanted to check that is definitely meant to be 7.13 because there wouldn't normally be a leading 0. Thanks anemone projectors 18:38, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: It would appear someone else has started researching old EE viewing figures they have some we don't but comparing a few of ours against theirs they seem to match.
Kelvin 101 ( talk) 11:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
I contacted the researcher and they gave me their sources.
These are all from Broadcast:
The only rating Broadcast has for 28/30 May is the week's average (8.34m) (Page 44, 21 June)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:01, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I am assuming from your bio you live in Hertfordshire. You just need your library card number.
I had a quick look at The Times via my library and there are some EastEnders articles that might be useful.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:38, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Moving away from episode numbering for a bit.... Seen what I did at User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2016)#Cast and characters with images? I think images in articles in a great idea if we have them available but I wondered if a side gallery of cast changes is a good idea or is it better to have a larger gallery section with a selection of cast members (not actually sure I like that idea, it could be a pretty big gallery). We could expand it to other years and could use cast, sets, props or costumes to illustrate certain storylines too, for example, the top of the January 2016 section could have an image of Linda's pink dressing gown because it relates to her and Mick's wedding, or images of murder weapons could go in relevant months. As long as there's enough space. anemone projectors 14:23, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: It's certainly a good idea and it looks really good to illustrate the characters but sometimes its hard to find licence free images to use. I think there some props pictures that can be used here https://www.flickr.com/photos/mediamuseumevents/sets/72157623334996871/ Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:32, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Kelvin 101:, I recently noticed the new template colours, matching the title card of that year. I wasn't sure whether it was a great idea to have them fairly dark/dull colours, which are all quite similar too. For example, List of Casualty episodes has a varied set of colours and I feel that something like this may be a better idea. I was wondering either of your thoughts on the topic, Soaper1234 ( talk) 14:53, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234: Do you mean this page User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (article) ? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
When there is a double episode with two numbers, should it take the format
When there are two writers, should it be:
I think we currently have a mixture and therefore all lists should be checked to make them the same. My preference is for full numbers (so if there was 4999/5000, it would be the same as 5100/5101), and for Person 1/Person 2, as I think the ampersand is unencylopaedic. Ideally I'd like the top line of every episode (i.e. the line with the number, date, credits etc) to only be on one line where possible, so we shouldn't force it onto two with <br/>, if it wants to fall onto two lines for certain screen resolutions, let it happen naturally. anemone projectors 09:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
If in doubt, look at the 2016 list. anemone projectors 10:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi sorry for getting back to you so late I will make sure that all double numbers are in full with a slash and that double writers also have a slash with no line break. I will set aside a day to check all articles using this criteria. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
I've noticed some errors when episodes are broadcast at different times, such as series or film titles not being in italics, which they should be. Also, It's better to say something like "This episode was shown at [time] because of [or due to] a broadcast of [or coverage of] [tv show or film or event]." rather than "This episode was shown at [time] because of [or due to] [tv show or film or event]." Also I noticed some of the genome references in the 1997 list are for the wrong date so they may need to be checked. And I don't think we need to add the #time part of the URL to the reference.
@ Kelvin 101: Do you check my edits to see what corrections I've made? anemone projectors 09:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
If in doubt, look at the 2016 list. anemone projectors 10:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Again sorry for the late reply, I had forgotten all about italicising as often try and get as much done as possible and occasion forget everything that is needed. I will use you wording from now on for the episode broadcast at different times and will backtrack through all the other articles so the wording is the same. The reason I included #time is when copying and pasting they come as standard and it easier for the person who is checking the reference to find.
Funny you should mention episode broadcast at different time just came across 28 June 2004 BARB has it listed as airing at 9pm and straight after it Traffic Cops at 9.30pm but Genome has it airing at EE at 8pm and does not list Traffic Cops. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:47, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
As discussed above you would like episodes that aired at different times, for the sentence structure to be like this "No episode on Thursday 17 June due to Programme Title being shown live".
Just to double check before I change all the pages are you ok with the following sentences examples.
If you have any problems with the wording please let me know I am going to try and go through all the pages tomorrow or when the above meets your approval.
Sorry to be a pain as you can problem guess my sentence structure, grammar and spelling are not up to much.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:00, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi guys all episode numbers, viewing figures (post 1998), directors/writers (some still need more research) but are more or less done. I have created this page which gives a breakdown or what is still need in each article User:Kelvin 101/List of missing data from year articles it's similar to the main list but lists specifics to allow it easier to research. Any thoughts on when the articles should be moved onto the main space. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
I just thought I'd check the latest edits of some of the pages but I only checked 2003 as I'm out of time really. I've decided to mark the 2003 list as "CHECKED", if it's ok I want to make sure I've checked every page, so I'll add this note for pages I've gone through. Thanks :-) anemone projectors 17:26, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Good idea writing "CHECKED" so we can see which one are all done. I got an email back BARB about the missing Data for w/e 3 Sep 2000 and w/e 20 Jul 2003, it has now been added. With regard to the below parts they have told me they do not have any records of which rating goes with which part and do not have any broadcast times to match them up.
I am wondering should rating be left blank or should it have both ratings in the field like this "16.15 /22.14" with a footnote mentioning the order is unknown. I was also thinking about the 1998 World Cup episode rating could we use this BARB rating for it "W.CUP PRE MATCH (SUN 1900) 7.67m" as it would have been before the match according to the Genome synopsis. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:48, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: One more thing I think needs to be added or checked on every page is the paragraph at the top of the "list of episodes" section that talks about the number of episodes, when they are normally broadcast, who executively produced them, where they were repeated (omnibus, BBC Three, etc), and where ratings, airdates, credits, running times, episode summaries and episode numbers are taken from, with references (see 2014 or 2016 for good examples). If there's no reference for episode numbers, don't worry about mentioning it! And if it's a year with no BARB ratings but they are individually referenced, don't worry about mentioning that either. I think we should put on our work in progress list a note to check that paragraph and remove it when it's checked and done. anemone projectors 12:03, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: That sounds like a good idea, will try and go through some year pages today, I have also done what you suggested with the 1998 world cup episode and it does make more sense to have a note explaining that the rating is for the programme the episode was broadcast within. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:12, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: This is the list for the usual days User:Kelvin 101/EastEnders Episodes Unusual Airdates but it only covers different days ask it's all extracted for Genome it does not cover different times. It might be a case of flicking through the BBC EE site month by month to see if there is any unusual broadcast times. I did make notes of years that don't have many time differences.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:03, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/4aad32e4ea76497299ab1eec1ebf1277
@ AnemoneProjectors: Sorry I couldn't help yesterday, I was away from my computer. Thats a very well detailed investigation there are a few episode with single numbers that last an hour see User:Kelvin 101/EastEnders Hour Long Episodes. After I finish going through BARB this week it might be worth me asking the written archives to check if the single numbered hour long episodes are correct. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:42, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I have just discovered that BBC Programme Catalogue (a cutdown version of Infax) is exclusively in British Library in the St Pancras ( London) and Boston Spa ( Yorkshire) reading rooms. Although it was made available in 2012, I am assuming it's still there as it's still listed on the British Library's website in the reading room section.
I assume this is the kind of information that would be available
No episode numbers but good for Directors and Writers. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 12:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
"The BBC Catalogue service at the British Library is based on their Redux off-air recording system (2007-11 records and programmes), but includes historic (i.e. pre-2007) catalogue records from what was Infax as well, going back to the 1950s. The records have been redacted to a degree, to remove some personal information.
However, there are currently technical problems with the BBC Catalogue service and the service is not available in our reading rooms at present. The BBC are looking at the issue, but I have not been given a date when the service is likely to return.
The Fabric archive access system never became a reality after the cancelling of the BBC’s Digital Media Initiative in 2013." Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Besides the missing Directors/Writers, is there anything else that I can do, I know you are checking through the articles and Soaper is collating the yearly cast/character lists. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:27, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: The list entry for this episode says it was shown at 7pm but Genome has it at 7.30pm and no mention of Sportsnight. Is this correct? anemone projectors 22:15, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
# | Date Aired | Writer |
---|---|---|
194 | 25 December 1986 | Tony Holland |
248 | 2 July 1987 | Charlie Humphreys |
401 | 17 October 1996 | Tony McHale |
479 | 17 April 1997 | Tony Jordan |
756 | 31 December 1998 | Simon Ashdown |
34 | 2 October 2001 | Tony Jordan |
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
When all the pages are moved into mainspace, they will need to be added to the navigation template. I just wondered what you guys thought might be the best layout out of the three ideas I had at User:AnemoneProjectors/Template:EastEnders. Personally I favour either the 2nd or 3rd ones over the 1st. @ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: thanks. anemone projectors 08:59, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi @ Kelvin 101: the ratings for 25 December 1999 are separated despite no times being given on BARB, and 31 December 1999 being combined. Could you check this for me? Thanks. anemone projectors 15:36, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I just checked 25 December 1999 it has times EASTENDERS (SAT 1753) 11.96 and EASTENDERS (SAT 2029) 12.43. It strange how the 25 December has times but the 31 December does not. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:45, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: I wondered if you could do me a favour, similar to what we had with the Mike Rendon character where he was credited but we couldn't see him on screen... Could you check the 3 November 2016 episode and see if you can find Tina, Denise or Kim in the episode? I basically tick off the characters credited online as they appear, and I didn't see those three, but they were credited on screen! Kush made a very minor appearance, so it could have been something similar. But I've rewatched some and not seen them, especially in the one scene Vincent appears in talking to Jack about Kim's theory test. I don't want to count them if they weren't in the episode. Thanks. anemone projectors 09:42, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Sure I will take a look thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:35, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: You are absolutely right Tina, Denise and Kim are not present. I also have noticed that Jerome who works at the arches appeared see below image but you cannot see his head but he has a different colour overalls to Ethan. Jerome's is navy blue were as Ethan's is grey. http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/eastenders/images/e/e3/Jerome_%283_November_2016%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161105171145
I suspect its maybe because the pre wedding episode (Thursday) and wedding day episode (Friday) scenes might not have been record consecutively and they just copied and pasted the cast for both episodes and only took into account guest cast. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:30, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I mentioned this to iPlayer and they contacted EE who confirmed that they were add in error and have apologised for any inconvenience.
The credits have since been corrected on the website.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b081vmx1/credits
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:59, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: have you kept any notes, if so the BBC might fix them. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:20, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Yeah here's a list of times I noticed a character was credited online but didn't appear.
Character | Actor | Date |
---|---|---|
Amy Mitchell | Abbie Knowles | 14/03/2016 |
Paramedic | Melissa Dean | 14/03/2016 (Note: another paramedic appeared the next day uncredited, don't know if it was her) |
Dr Rhys Thomas | Daniel Llewelyn-Williams | 14/03/2016 |
Jack Branning | Scott Maslen | 17/03/2016 part 1 |
Shirley Carter | Linda Henry | 11/04/2016 |
Paul Coker | Jonny Labey | 12/04/2016 |
Billy Mitchell | Perry Fenwick | 12/04/2016 |
Linford Short | Leon Lopez | 12/04/2016 |
Kathy Sullivan | Gillian Taylforth | 14/04/2016 |
Jack Branning | Scott Maslen | 15/04/2016 |
Abi Branning | Lorna Fitzgerald | 15/04/2016 |
Linford Short | Leon Lopez | 22/04/2016 |
Jay Brown | Jamie Borthwick | 28/04/2016 |
Les Coker | Roger Sloman | 20/05/2016 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 20/05/2016 |
Steven Beale | Aaron Sidwell | 24/06/2016 |
Lauren Branning | Jacqueline Jossa | 24/06/2016 |
Kush Kazemi | Davood Ghadami | 12/07/2016 |
Donna Yates | Lisa Hammond | 12/07/2016 |
Linda Carter | Kellie Bright | 08/09/2016 |
Ronnie Mitchell | Samantha Womack | 30/09/2016 |
Mike Rendon | Bailey Patrick | 17/10/2016 |
Martin Fowler | James Bye | 01/11/2016 |
Stacey Fowler | Lacey Turner | 01/11/2016 |
Carmel Kazemi | Bonnie Langford | 01/11/2016 |
Kush Kazemi | Davood Ghadami | 01/11/2016 |
Honey Mitchell | Emma Barton | 01/11/2016 |
Roxy Mitchell | Rita Simons | 01/11/2016 |
Kyle Slater | Riley Carter Millington | 14/11/2016 |
Bex Fowler | Jasmine Armfield | 14/11/2016 |
Shirley Carter | Linda Henry | 14/11/2016 |
Tina Carter | Luisa Bradshaw-White | 14/11/2016 |
Sylvie Carter | Linda Marlowe | 14/11/2016 |
I keep this because the way I do the character count list is from an Excel spreadsheet, so I copy every cast list into a massive table and another table calculates the numbers which I then sort by regular or guest, number and alphabetically by last name, and I just copy that into the page each time... but I have to check the first table during every episode to make sure nobody was missing from the episode or in the episode but not credited online. I can also do a list of times characters weren't credited online but appeared in the episode, though I think most of those get updated online later. I noticed Tiffany and Morgan were credited online after that episode aired, but not before it. anemone projectors 20:43, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
And here's a table of times someone wasn't credited online (at first) but appeared in the epsiode. Mostly to keep it a secret - and sometimes they weren't credited on screen either but I have notes for that in the 2016 list already (e.g Aaron Sidwell, Jamie Borthwick, Pam St. Clement).
Character | Actor | Date |
---|---|---|
Jack Branning | Scott Maslen | 01/01/2016 part 1 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 01/01/2016 part 2 |
Lucas Johnson | Don Gilet | 01/01/2016 part 2 |
Jack Branning | Scott Maslen | 01/01/2016 part 2 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 01/01/2016 part 2 |
Dean Wicks | Matt Di Angelo | 04/01/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 04/01/2016 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 04/01/2016 |
Belinda Peacock | Carli Norris | 11/01/2016 |
Peggy Mitchell | Barbara Windsor | 15/01/2016 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 22/01/2016 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 25/01/2016 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 26/01/2016 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 28/01/16 part 1 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 11/02/2016 |
Martin Fowler | James Bye | 23/02/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Patrick Trueman | Rudolph Walker | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Libby Fox | Belinda Owusu | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Denise Fox | Diane Parish | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Lucas Johnson | Don Gilet | 10/03/16 part 2 |
JJ Johnson | Zayden Kareem | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Linford Short | Leon Lopez | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Margaret Midhurst | Jan Harvey | 14/03/2016 |
Gavin Sullivan | Paul Nicholas | 14/03/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 15/03/2016 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 15/03/2016 |
JJ Johnson | Zayden Kareem | 15/03/2016 |
Patrick Trueman | Rudolph Walker | 15/03/2016 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 15/03/2016 |
Denise Fox | Diane Parish | 15/03/2016 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 17/03/16 part 1 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 17/03/16 part 1 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 17/03/16 part 1 |
Patrick Trueman | Rudolph Walker | 17/03/16 part 1 |
Linford Short | Leon Lopez | 17/03/16 part 1 |
Patrick Trueman | Rudolph Walker | 17/03/16 part 2 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 17/03/16 part 2 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 17/03/16 part 2 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 17/03/16 part 2 |
Denise Fox | Diane Parish | 21/03/2016 |
Denise Fox | Diane Parish | 24/03/2016 |
Denise Fox | Diane Parish | 25/03/2016 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 25/03/2016 |
JJ Johnson | Zayden Kareem | 25/03/2016 |
Lorna Cartwright | Janet Dibley | 04/04/2016 |
Ronnie Mitchell | Samantha Womack | 22/04/2016 |
Jack Branning | Scott Maslen | 22/04/2016 |
Linzi Bragg | Amy-Leigh Hickman | 25/04/2016 |
Thelma Bragg | Lorraine Stanley | 25/04/2016 |
Linzi Bragg | Amy-Leigh Hickman | 26/04/2016 |
Thelma Bragg | Lorraine Stanley | 26/04/2016 |
DC Vanessa Jenkins | Caroline Faber | 26/04/2016 |
DC Sally Booth | Sanchia McCormack | 26/04/2016 |
Clerk of the Court | Suzette Llewellyn | 27/04/2016 |
Judge Lionel Hale | Patrick Pearson | 27/04/2016 |
Ritchie Scott | Sian Webber | 27/04/2016 |
Rodney Bragg | Rhys Yates | 27/04/2016 |
Thelma Bragg | Lorraine Stanley | 27/04/2016 |
Linzi Bragg | Amy-Leigh Hickman | 27/04/2016 |
DC Sally Booth | Sanchia McCormack | 27/04/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 28/04/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 05/05/2016 |
Grant Mitchell | Ross Kemp | 13/05/2016 |
Pat Butcher | Pam St. Clement | 17/05/2016 |
Lauren Branning | Jacqueline Jossa | 27/05/2016 |
Gavin Sullivan | Paul Nicholas | 27/05/2016 |
Steven Beale | Aaron Sidwell | 06/06/2016 |
Steven Beale | Aaron Sidwell | 07/06/2016 |
Max Branning | Jake Wood | 09/06/2016 |
Steven Beale | Aaron Sidwell | 09/06/2016 |
Steven Beale | Aaron Sidwell | 10/06/2016 |
Grant Mitchell | Ross Kemp | 04/07/2016 |
Jay Brown | Jamie Borthwick | 05/07/2016 |
Kathy Sullivan | Gillian Taylforth | 11/07/2016 |
Andrew 'Buster' Briggs | Karl Howman | 11/07/2016 |
Sharon Mitchell | Letitia Dean | 11/07/2016 |
Kathy Sullivan | Gillian Taylforth | 12/07/2016 |
Andrew 'Buster' Briggs | Karl Howman | 12/07/2016 |
Sharon Mitchell | Letitia Dean | 15/07/2016 |
Andrew 'Buster' Briggs | Karl Howman | 15/07/2016 |
Kathy Sullivan | Gillian Taylforth | 15/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 19/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 21/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 22/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 25/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 26/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 26/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 28/07/2016 |
Abi Branning | Lorna Fitzgerald | 29/07/2016 |
Courtney Mitchell | Alice Nokes | 04/08/2016 |
Courtney Mitchell | Alice Nokes | 05/08/2016 |
Courtney Mitchell | Alice Nokes | 08/08/2016 |
Mark Fowler | Ned Porteous | 11/08/2016 |
Courtney Mitchell | Alice Nokes | 11/08/2016 |
Mark Fowler | Ned Porteous | 12/08/2016 |
Mark Fowler | Ned Porteous | 18/08/2016 |
Mark Fowler | Ned Porteous | 22/08/2016 |
Mark Fowler | Ned Porteous | 23/08/2016 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 20/09/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 29/09/2016 |
Patrick Trueman | Rudolph Walker | 30/09/2016 |
Jay Brown | Jamie Borthwick | 13/10/2016 |
Jay Brown | Jamie Borthwick | 14/10/2016 |
Tiffany Butcher | Maisie Smith | 03/11/2016 |
Morgan Butcher | Devon Higgs | 03/11/2016 |
anemone projectors 20:51, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Wow you keep detailed notes. It's worrying when you can't trust both the on screen and website credits. I thinks it's unlikely the BBC would go back and make that many changes. Maybe the EE team would be better using the script to find the credits. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:02, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Another one, in last night's episode I can see no sign of Kim or Vincent, yet they were credited on screen. I've double checked all the market, Queen Vic and café scenes and can't see them at all. Any chance you could double check as well? Thanks anemone projectors 09:38, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Will do thanks, I will check Monday 21 November and come back to you Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:21, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Yeah both Kim and Vincent did not appear. maybe we should re-name this section incorrect credits. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:48, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: The BBC have fixed 21 November 2016 credit page http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08442m7/credits
Their response was:
"We raised the fault with relevant team who after investigation fixed the fault with credits of 21 November of ‘EastEnders’ on the programme page.
However, the episode itself will not be corrected as the content would have to be revoked, edited and re-uploaded/transcoded at significant expense. It will remain incorrect on the video file until the end of its availability window."
I have also note the date in bold in the relevant section of this thread to make it easier to find specific dates. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:22, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Another one where I couldn't spot some characters that were credited on screen! In 2 December I didn't see Donna or Kush (I also didn't see Ben or Jay but then on checking I found them in background scenes, so maybe Donna and Kush did appear), and on 5 December I didn't see Bex. I know it's annoying having to rewatch scenes but could you check for me in case they're there and I can't find them? anemone projectors 09:44, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Will do, thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ Kelvin 101: I've looked and looked for Jack in this episode but can't see him, can you? anemone projectors 09:56, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Nope I can't see him either, not sure what is going on with all these errors. Imagine if someone did an audit for all the episode credits for the past 30 years. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:The BBC have fixing the credits for 9 December 2016 and have made changes so hopeful the credits will alway be accurate.
"I understand you contacted us to let us know that the credits for the 'EastEnders' episode broadcast on 9th December 2016 incorrectly credited the character Jack Branning, who did not appear in this episode.
We passed this on to our BBC iPlayer Curation Team, and they have now removed Jack Branning from the list of characters credited for this episode of 'EastEnders':
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08502l3/credits
There had been an on-going problem wherein the team supplying credits to the programme page for BBC iPlayer were not working to final edits, and so may have been crediting characters or actors who were scheduled in advance to appear in an episode but who may have been edited out of the programme before broadcast. There is now a new system in place to avoid this inconsistency."
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:50, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Dermot Haynes and Marcus Greaves-Smith seem to missing from the website credits but appear on the onscreen credits.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:46, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: This episode included one scene in the Vic with many characters in the background, but I couldn't see Billy, Ben or Whitney. I don't think it's necessarily incorrect credits as they were probably on the set at the time but the camera just never spotted them - do you think they should be removed or left in? anemone projectors 10:52, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: I had a quick look
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:52, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Mick's voice was heard on the phone to Shirley but Dyer was uncredited. When Linda and Sharon have been heard on the phone they have been credited. Listening to what Mick was saying, I'm wondering if it was put together from previously recorded Mick scenes and therefore is essentially archive footage and shouldn't be counted. I'm sure I heard him say those things before. What are everyone's thoughts? anemone projectors 10:29, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Linda calls Johnny so Whitney and Jonny can wish Ollie Happy Birthday and talk about the new kitchen (8 May 2017).
Mick argues with Linda about selling the pubs land without his knowledge (23 May 2017). Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Mick calls and Woody answers the phone but Johnny takes it from him and tell Mick that Woody is just a temp. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Credits included Honey, Karen, Janet and Will, but I didn't spot them. Did they appear? — anemone projectors 08:04, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234 and Kelvin 101: This episode had 4 uncredited voice appearances - Chatham, Riley, Mick and Linda - which I will add. But Kathy was credited and I failed to spot her. Was it another hidden away in the background scene? — anemone projectors 08:23, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi just checked Kathy is seen in the background at 07.44 when Martin and Michelle are talking about Stacey's appointment, Kathy is bringing food to a customer's table. Thank goodness for the video scrubber.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:24, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234 and Kelvin 101: At 27m 22s Dot makes a toast to Abi in the Vic, and several characters are seen in this small scene, some who didn't appear elsewhere in the episode. I spotted Honey, Billy, Ted and Joyce, as well as Carmel and Michelle, but I didn't see Karen, Keegan or Shakil. There is someone sitting to the right of the screen whose face cannot be seen, this could be Keegan, so I would assume that Karen and Shakil were also sitting there, though technically weren't seen on screen. Question 1 - did they actually appear in the episode anywhere? Question 2 - if not should they be left in? As everyone toasted "To Abi", it could still count as a voice-only appearance. iPlayer link — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 18:22, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Any sign of Keegan in that episode? — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 08:54, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234:
I'm looking for Mo in this episode https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bqmkts/eastenders-30102018 but I didn't see her... she's credited though. — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 10:43, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I usually checked the year list against Drama credits and if it doesn't match I pulled out the original BBC1 recording and cross reference them. There have been occasions when they don't match because the episode has been cut from the omnibus edition or the previous episode credits. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:31, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi yeah a have some of the older episodes not as great quality VHS but there are original broadcasts.
If we take your example 23 April 1987
so BBC Genome can be wrong sometimes but also can the first 10 years the only real source is the original broadcast. I don't believe the directors were listed in the Radio Times in the early days. I was fascinated to learn reading your note that "Julia Honour" isn't a real person.
Speaking of which Julia Honour is listed as the writer of 21 August 2007 on Genome, IMDB and EE Website but I found a script picture showing it to be Chris Reason.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:47, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Yeah I have not had the videos long. 30 December 1986 is a bit tricky it appears to be a the original 30 minute episode but on the credits doesn't look right, it looks like the credits have been edited in from an Omnibus edition to give the illusion of the full episode.
More research is needed, I will try and compare this with Drama's.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:39, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
@
AnemoneProjectors: I have checked 30 October 1986 with the 2 November 1986 Omnibus and the credits are identical. But we do have other sources to go on, 30 December 1986 looks right. I am confident these are right. Thanks
Kelvin 101 (
talk)
20:12, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:I am a bit confused about 18 + 20 August 1987 as BBC Genome says
Michael Robartes wrote 18 August and Tony McHale wrote 20 August
but the first 10 years Tony McHale wrote 18 August and
Michael Robartes wrote 20 August (football match with Julia's theme)
Thanks
Kelvin 101 (
talk)
13:11, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:26, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Not sure if Soaper is still around... but wondered if you can help find Bobby Beale in this episode, he was credited but I couldn't find him. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0009679/eastenders-07102019 Thanks! — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 17:54, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Can anyone see DI Steve Thompson on 6 February 2020?
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:57, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi hope you are both well, Can anyone see DI Steve Thompson on 19 May 2020. It might be I missed him but this did happen with the credits last time 6 February 2020. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:21, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234 and Kelvin 101: I know I said I wasn't worried about missing characters anymore as there is no character count but this one is weird because I didn't see Mick, Tina, Whitney, Sonia or Ollie in this episode and they were all credited. I'm thinking perhaps a scene was cut... or am I being totally blind? And yes I am that far behind but I'm desperately trying to catch up now :-) — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 11:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I wanted to check the director of this episode, as, according to the 2008 list, Paul Annett directed 2.5 hours of content while Michael Owen Morris only directed 1.5 hours - they're normally done in blocks of 4 episodes (2 hours) so it looks like Morris should be the director, not Annett. Sadly the official website didn't give directors back then. It does say that that Carey Andrews was the writer, the official site has Carey Andrews as writing many episodes in that period so is definitely wrong. So just want a check on the director. I'm working on June 2008 at the moment. anemone projectors 21:56, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi well spotted you are right the Monday 16th June episode must have been moved to Sunday 15th June due to the football. I think because in Genome its said on Wednesday 11 June This week's episodes directed by Paul Annett. I must have thought Sunday was included in that week. http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=1&mf=6&mt=6&order=asc&q=EastEnders&svc=9371541&tf=17%3A00&yf=2008&yt=2008#search
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:24, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi @ Kelvin 101: in some of the earlier lists, opening paragraphs for the list of episodes sections need to say where credits came from - which I think is Genome and the book you got with the list at the back. If so, can you confirm that the book is EastEnders: The First 10 Years: A Celebration by Colin Brake, published 1994 by BBC Books ( ISBN 978-0-563-37057-4)? If so I will add it to the lists up to, was it 1994? Are there any other sources you used to get credits, other than Genome, the official website or IMDb? Thanks. anemone projectors 17:05, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi @ AnemoneProjectors: sorry for late reply for earlier years 1985-1994 the first 10 years and 1985-2009 Genome but mainly Genome and 2008 onwards the EE site. But they aren't without conflicting/missing information. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:01, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: We usually note that there is no EastEnders episode due to Comic Relief or Children in Need. Do you think its worth noting also if the feature in the show. I know we have separate listings for Whitney Story and The Ghosts of Ian Beale but is it worth noting if the cast did a dance melody, something like this.
There was no episode on 18 November due to the live Children in Need 2016 telethon. However the cast did perform dance homages to 80s movie hits.<ref>{{cite web|title=EastEnders: Whitney and Lee's Dirty Dancing stuns Children in Need viewers|url=http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-11-19/eastenders-whitney-and-lees-dirty-dancing-stuns-children-in-need-viewers|publisher=[[Radio Times]]|accessdate=21 November 2016}}</ref>
Not sure if this is over kill or if it would be better noted somewhere elsewhere. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:41, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
I've done 1985 and 1986, but citations are needed for 1987-1992, for whoever wants to do it! Thanks :-) anemone projectors 12:48, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Genome citations for 1987-1992 are now done thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:38, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi, hope you're well. I'm trying to make my way through the casts as quick as I can (work has been quite pressing as of late). I am aware that where we place people within the cast section varies. For example, on the 2008 page I would have included Madeline Duggan in the recurring cast, but you put her in the regular cast. If possible, would you be able to look at the placings after I've done it, in case you feel they deserve a different position or alternatively, if you had a 'set rule' for cast members, I could follow that instead? Thanks, Soaper1234 ( talk) 22:23, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234: Great work on the cast lists. I have a quick question - I noticed on the 1995 list and others that it says "In 1995, the character was also credited as Ruth Aitken", for example. Ruth married Mark in 1995, but do you think she should be listed as Ruth Aitken, also credited as Ruth Fowler (and the same for other characters)?. Beacuse she starts off as Aitken and becomes Fowler... same as in 2016 with Stacey, she starts as a Branning and becomes a Fowler (but in 2017 I'll list her as Stacey Fowler). I'd do that even if the article was titled Stacey Fowler. Does this make sense?! anemone projectors 13:02, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234: Hi, I just decided to read your cast description for 1993, which looks good. I just wanted to point out that the character Billie Jackson was known as Billy Jackson until his 2010 reintroduction, so in the cast lists and descriptions for 1993–97 and 2004, we should call him Billy, not Billie. I've changed it in 1993. But because Billy Mitchell was also around in 2004, we will need to be careful not to confuse the two in that year, if there is any opportunity to do so. This happened in 2016 with Linda Carter and Linda Clarke and though they crossed paths, I fortunately didn't need to write about it and avoided confusion! anemone projectors 08:22, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Sigh, it's that subject again! @ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: I wondered what you guys thought about moving the three World Cup specials out of the supplemental section and into the main list, as they are similar to the two Comic Relief specials, were broadcast on BBC One, one was part of another programme like the Comic Relief ones, and as far as I can tell, they were part of the ongoing story (correct me if I'm wrong about that). If we decide to do this, we would number them 1638A, 1638B and 1638C. But if they do stand alone, and aren't part of the ongoing story, we can leave them as they are. Your thoughts? anemone projectors 15:59, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I just noticed that "Dot's Story" and "Perfectly Frank" are part of a series officially known as "EastEnders Bubbles" - Dot's Story - Perfectly Frank. However, I Googled the phrase and can't see any evidence that any of the other spin-offs are officially called "EastEnders Bubbles", so I don't know what to do with this information. Any thoughts? anemone projectors 17:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: What do you two think about using this logo in each infobox? It's free to use because it's considered that as a logo with "simple geometric shapes or text does, it not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain." Otherwise there would be no image in the infoboxes. I think the original plan may have been to use the screenshot logo from the time (because in some pages this logo is commented out), but I think that would be fair-use overuse as each image would be used in several articles. anemone projectors 18:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: It's a great idea as I was thinking of suggesting adding yearly cast pictures in the infoboxes but this logo would get around the whole copyright/fair use problem. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:11, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I noticed you put the logo on 1985-1987, do you mind if I start the rest. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
I can't remember if I've already said this (but I can't spot a discussion) - are we able to source the first and last episode dates of each producer? For example, in 1989 it says "Mike Gibbon continued his role as executive producer until Michael Ferguson took over the role" but I'd like something like "Until [month], each episode was executively produced by Mike Gibbon, who departed after [number of years]. Michael Ferguson took over the role and his first credited episode was broadcast on [date]", plus the note in each episode. @ Kelvin 101: Genome has this info? anemone projectors 19:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: I did try and make a table for each time an Executive producers changed on the on screen credits but some are a bit hard to find. Also Diederick Santer and Bryan Kirkwood both shared the Executive producer for two weeks in 2010. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:28, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
These are all of the Executive Producers:
Name | First episode | Last episode | Notes |
---|---|---|---|
Julia Smith | 1 February 1985 | 26 May 1988 | |
Mike Gibbon | 31 May 1988 | 1989 | |
Michael Ferguson | 1989 | 1991 | Last mentioned BBC Genome 21 June 1990 |
Leonard Lewis | 1991 | 1994 | First metnioned BBC Genome 11 January 1990 |
Helen Greaves | 1991 | 1992 | |
Barbara Emile | 1994 | 1995 | |
Corinne Hollingworth | 1995 | 1996 | |
Jane Harris | 9 July 1996 | 11 November 1997 | So confused ny IMDB |
Matthew Robinson | 11 July 1998 | 13 April 2000 | So confused ny IMDB |
John Yorke | 14 February 2000 | 28 June 2002 | Who is it from 1 July 2002 - 6 September 2002, So confused ny IMDB |
Louise Berridge | 9 September 2002 | 18 November 2004 | Who is it from 22 November 2004 to 17 December 2004, So confused ny IMDB |
Kathleen Hutchison | 20 December 2004 | 1 April 2005 | |
Kate Harwood | 4 April 2005 | 4 January 2007 | |
Diederick Santer | 5 January 2007 | 18 June 2010 (Shares the executive producer credit with Kirkwood for two weeks). |
|
Bryan Kirkwood | 4 June 2010 (Shares the executive producer credit with Santer for two weeks). |
13 July 2012 | |
Lorraine Newman | 16 July 2012 | 5 December 2013 | |
Dominic Treadwell-Collins | 9 December 2013 | 8 July 2016 | |
Sean O'Connor | 11 July 2016 | Present |
This is a list of Executive Producers only, and does not include this list of producers/series producers who were in charge of the making of EastEnders during their time on the show:
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:32, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Sorry, I know you're both probably really busy with Christmas and everything... but for me its a perfect time to do some checks. Earlier on there was a mention that episode 1 may have been named "Poor Old Reg" and at one point I saw a list where names had been given to several of the first episodes. I wondered if there's a way we could find any real evidence of this and if so, add the titles to the 1985 page. anemone projectors 19:41, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: We currently use footnotes with the the "lower-greek" group type, giving us footnotes with these type of labels:
However, I read that this isn't supported by Internet Explorer 7 or below. I have no idea if people still use those browsers but just in case, should we change? We could have:
anemone projectors 11:15, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: I just added Marsden's Video Diaries to 2009 and 2010, and I think we should add Lauren's Diaries to 2010, 2011 and 2012 (actually I think we should add them to Lauren's article). But should we add Tamwar Tales and The B&B? Are they supplemental episodes, or are they miniature spin-offs, like little EastEnders: E20s? anemone projectors 14:50, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
I think it does mention Tamwar Tales on one of these two articles.
What about the red button episode "Stacey and Janine (20 December 2010), Stacey and Ryan (23 December 2010), Max and Lauren wedding (24 December 2010)"
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:21, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Following the discussion at Talk:List of EastEnders characters, I wondered whether a cast photo could be possibly used in some of the earlier years where a cast changes gallery would not be suitable. Just an idea? Soaper1234 ( talk) 23:53, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi I remember a while ago, I saw a sandbox with Whitney storylines in it but I cannot seem to find it anymore, I am sure it was under the below category?
I remember editing the episode numbers on the article.
Any ideas?
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I was going to create a sandbox episode page for Episode 1 but I thought I would just check just incase you already created one in the past? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:57, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi can I ask if in Recurring and guest cast sections on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2017) for example if all guest are listed for example some characters appeared in 9 March 2017 Part 2 "Dr Natasha Black, Jimmy Glover, DS Yasmin Khodeir, Luke Ayshford etc but aren't listed or do we wait for a final count? If I am wrong I do apologise Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:54, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Hope that makes sense. I wasn't sure about including Louie Beale because I haven't had a chance to mention him, and when working on 2016 I didn't add the babies and pets until I did. anemone projectors 16:27, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Would it make more sense to have these notes in the episode after the date in which the episode was supposed to air, rather than the episode before? I mention this because of the use of "was", suggesting something in the past. — RachelRice ( talk, contribs) — 01:12, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors, Soaper1234, and RachelRice: Hi anyone know who the owner of walford.net was reason I ask its went offline a while ago and wanted to ask them if we could use the plots they had all from 1985-2014.
I did manage to find some on the internet archive. Although they probably would need a re-write anyway to shorten them down for the episode guides.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:39, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234, RachelRice, and Kelvin 101: Hey guys, I wondered if someone could help with expanding the monthly section opening paragraphs in 2016 and 2017. 2016 is mostly ok but June needs more, September needs sources, and November needs anything. Also, I'd like to see the arrivals and departures of any main characters added to these sections - I did do some that were missing for 2016 a while ago but there are more. For 2017 I've only done January and a small amount for February. I've been so busy that I've found these sections harder to keep up to date, especially when I'm sometimes a week behind and trying to avoid spoilers (currently just 2 eps behind, I should be completely caught up by Friday morning if I fit in a single episode ever day (which is my usual)!) So any help in those areas would be greatly appreciated. 2015 also needs more (Rachel did a great job on what was there). 2014 and 2013 have some paragraphs too, so could do with more. I won't check any others right now! But basically for any year that currently has at least one paragraph, it would be nice to have them all completed, but any year that has none isn't a priority at this time. Thanks! anemone projectors 17:13, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi pages 34–37 cover the whole of 1985. Will try try and put a pictures up for you later. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:21, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
These are the years with the months and which pages they are on.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:36, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi I have came across something that may explain the two unaccounted for episodes (29 November 2002 and 25 December 2002 Part 2).
I got came across a picture of a script on eBay and was also send sent an old script as a present. (Ignore the transmission date as they were not precise due to be scheduled in advance but writer/director match)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30536759@N07/34926270166/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30536759@N07/34926270026/
I don't know if these ended up with one or two numbers in the end but it might be worth asking the written archive to check for us. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:33, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
But as they are shooting scripts I am not sure how different they are compared to the standard script.
I don't have any objections and do agree it's convincing and would fix the the list, it would also mean changing the character's appearances from November 2000. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:55, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: I can't see the rating for this episode on BARB, but your draft cites BARB. Does the other reference in your draft confirm the rating or just its position in the top 100? — anemone projectors— 16:51, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I believe on BARB it's just labeled as "EASTENDERS (SUN 2000". The other reference does indeed confirm the figure. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 12:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
As you may or may not have noticed, I've been working on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders supplemental episodes. I started going through all the clips I could find on the BBC website to update this but it seems that a lot of them are exclusive scenes rather than special episodes (though I think they should still be listed there, which is why I made a separate section for them). I'm considering if we should remove these exclusive scenes from the supplemental episodes sections in the year lists, and instead, go with something like this:
# | No. in year |
Original air date | Running time | Directed by | Written by | Viewers (millions) | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
4125 | 195 | 30 minutes | Tim Mercier | Jesse O'Mahoney | 11.42 | ||
This episode was followed by an exclusive 6-minute scene made available online, titled "Janine meets... Stacey!"[ref] |
That would reduce the number of supplemental episodes, but to me it sounds like the right thing to do - they're scenes not episodes, unlike things like "CivvyStreet" and "Dorothy Branning: The Next Chapter". But Lauren's Diaries, Marsden's Video Diaries, etc, would still count as supplemental episodes. — anemone projectors— 11:32, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Kelvin 101: I don't know if this throws anything out of balance for your episode numbering but the 2508th episode (actually broadcast on 29 April 2003) was listed twice in the 2003 list, which knocked everything forward an episode. I'm changing it now so it adds up but does this mean everything else needs changing too? Soaper1234 - talk 09:52, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Just wondering something - since {{ Episode list}} says the viewing figure should be the "final" number, should we add the BBC One rating to the BBC Three/W rating? BARB ratings for BBC3 start at 16 May 2005, so that's a lot. So we might decide not to do it. Also not every episode will have made the top 10 for BBC3 or W so it wouldn't be consistent and if possible I like to be consistent - I'd hate to have to add loads of notes if we don't have to! Example: 23 January 2012 had 9,743,000 viewers on BBC One, and 703,000 on BBC Three, making a total of 10,446,000. However, a week like 7 September 2015 only had 2 episodes rated in BBC3's top 10, and quite often EE doesn't rate in W's top 10 at all. Any thoughts? — anemone projectors 23:01, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:When it says the final are you sure it just means to use the final figure after the 28 days and not the overnight figure. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi just to confirm do you prefer precise or rounded runtimes or even both on Supplemental episodes?
On some pages such as the below the runtimes are round and precise
User:AnemoneProjectors/List_of_EastEnders_episodes_(2013)#Supplemental_episodes
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:13, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: I think we should consider moving the remaining specials to their public pages.
I am surprised we managed to find that much information about the specials, particularly regarding Perfectly Frank. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:59, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi AnemoneProjectors and Kelvin 101. Hope you are both well. Following news of Mel's return, which is scheduled for 2018, I have created a draft for 2018 episodes. I kept in your name AP and I hope you both don't mind. Thank you, Soaper1234 - talk 15:19, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234: Sorry forgot to reply to your message looks good to me. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:14, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Not sure if it's worth noting this on the 2017 episode page about the stolen Christmas scripts, it seem to be reported by a number of news outlets
but I am confused because if you look at the daily mail picture of the script
you will see it references episode 5521-5524, which according to our list was broadcast 3 July 2017 to 7 July 2017?
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:27, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: iPlayer currently has a number of classic Christmas episodes available here, though I doubt I'll have time to watch them. But noticed a few things:
Does this mean that Genome has corrected some wrong information since we added it? If so, do you think we need to go through other episodes shown at different times or of different lengths just to make sure? Although I haven't watched the available episodes, I checked the end credits and didn't find anything wrong apart from 1998 has barely any credits at all, no writers or directors. However, unrelated to this article maybe the end credits might reveal some missing "other" characters for character lists. I didn't really look. — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 10:58, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: I don't know if you have Channel W but tonight the Spin-off Ricky and Bianca is on at 11pm and 11:40pm. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi @ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: I wondered if you had an opinion on this - in 2017 especially, the recurring and guest cast section is a mix of recurring, former regular and one-off characters and I wondered if you thought it might be a good idea to split it into two sections like this:
I just thought it might make things a little clearer, and would start it in 2018 as well, maybe 2016 too but any sections for other years that are smaller we could leave. Your thoughts? — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 13:07, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
That would eliminate the need for a footnote. As for recurring/guest, it's obvious for many, like Aunt Sal, Reverend Stevens, who have been appearing on and off for years, and then all the child characters who can't be considered regulars. Maybe for now keep recurring and guest together, separate former regulars? — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 10:55, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi I have been adding book reference for the below pages, can you please check that the book references have been resolved for all the below pages. Then all these notes can be removed and we are closer to moving all of them to the main space.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:17, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:51, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Hope you are both enjoying the festive season. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:25, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi just in case you didn't see this article
Repeats of EE will begin in August on the Drama Channel. I am not sure if they will be in the single episode or omnibus format. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
I have been looking through The Times online archive 1985 for EastEnders articles, some of them maybe useful.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:03, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi some information that might be useful.
The Annual Report & Accounts 1986
BBC Annual Report & Accounts 1987/88
The Annual Report & Accounts 1990
The Annual Report & Accounts 1991
BBC Annual Review 1992
The Annual Report & Accounts 1992
Annual Report and Accounts 1998
Thanks
Kelvin 101 (
talk)
14:02, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: This might be useful: I found on iTunes four EastEnders box sets containing full episodes. I found these Christmas specials first, and then I launched iTunes and searched for more and found two sets of "iconic exits" and one set of "Kalfie" (Kat and Alfie) episodes. Could be added to the lists or any individual episode articles or drafts? — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 13:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
They are also available on Youtube and Amazon
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:46, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
EastEnders Digital Episodes Sets, discounted each set usually costs £14.99 now £4.99. If you buy all of them it would have cost £59.96 now its just £19.96 saving of £40. Not sure how long the discount is on.
Eastenders Iconic Exits - Part 1
Eastenders Iconic Exits - Part 2
Eastenders Kalfie
Eastenders Christmas Specials
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:30, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Following a discussion about this in relation to Casualty articles at
my talk page, it has come to my attention that character counts are not permitted per
MOS:TVCAST. In particular the rule states, The cast listing should not contain an episode count, e.g. (6 episodes) or (episodes 1–6), to indicate the number of episodes in which the actor or character appeared.
Will this affect the character counts in the episode lists or is there are a way around this?
Soaper1234 -
talk
17:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Should it be noted on 1989 page that the Prison Stories for Series Written by Bill Lyons and Tony Holland? I am not sure how you would list this as technically the Prison scenes were in most episodes up to 16 February 1989, when Den was released.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:53, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Sorry for late reply, I have checked Prison scenes run from 13 September 1988 - 16 February 1989. I believe this is mentioned in the books 10 years/handbook. I do remember seeing them credited on screen for the prison scenes but I am not sure which episode they were credited on, I will have to check. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:47, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:30, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
I was thinking a footnote, a bit like this:
# | No. in year | Original air date | Directed by | Written by | Viewers (millions) |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
419 | 12 | Terry Iland | Tony McHale / Bill Lyons and Tony Holland [1] | 19.96 |
References
But maybe a note in the shortsummary would be better since Lyons and Holland aren't actually credited as episode writers. I'm not really sure which is best. — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 21:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
# | No. in year | Original air date | Directed by | Written by | Viewers (millions) | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
419 | 12 | Terry Iland | Tony McHale | 19.96 | ||
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 08:46, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Matthew Robinson has released part of the original scripts - https://walfordweb.com/things-found-at-the-bottom-of-a-cupboard-t355278.html - note that neither of them show a title. Should we take this to mean that "Poor Old Reg" is not the title of episode 1? — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 09:28, 8 July 2019 (UTC) (Remembering that Rob Gittins said that "Tony Holland, the original creator of EastEnders insisted that all the writers title their episode, despite that title never appearing on screen.") — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 09:30, 8 July 2019 (UTC) I shall link back to the section #Episode Names as a reminder. I probably should have posted this there but I was too lazy to find it. — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 09:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC) @ AnemoneProjectors:
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234:
Hi I just remembered that EastEnders episodes premiered on BBC Three for two weeks.Should these really be the actual broadcast dates.
Episode 2464-2471
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hope you both had a good new year. I was contacted on Wikia by a moderator that the mention they have seen a post of a writer on twitter and the numbering doesn't match our system. Lee Saczak wrote Tuesday 5 January 2021, we have it down a Episode 6197 but his script says 6198.
See post https://twitter.com/LSaczak/status/1346530732760592385
I am not sure what has happened, after New Year Day episode it seems to have jumped three numbers instead of two?
Radio Times - 31 December 2020 (Episode 6193) https://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/mzyd5m/eastenders--episode-6193/
Radio Times - 1 January 2020 (Episode no number given) https://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/mz2w5f/eastenders--01012021/
Radio Times - 4 January 2020 (Episode 6197) https://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/m2g24x/eastenders--episode-6197/
Radio Times - 5 January 2020 (Episode 6198) https://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/m2k8fj/eastenders--episode-6198/
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi AP, glad that I could collaborate with you on the EastEnders episodes. Just wondering if I should add a note to episodes that are featuring: a character joining, leaving, recast etc. or one-hour episodes or if the episode is aired on BBC2. Just a simple: Note: This episode aired for one hour or a Note: The episode featured the departure of Emma Summerhayes ( Anna Acton). Thanks - Soaper1234 ( talk) 22:07, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi again, continuing my work on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2013) and I thought if an episode is 60 minutes, but not two episodes merged into one (i.e. there is three episodes in the week, with one of them a 60 minute - effectively making it four regular episodes), would that class as an episode that would have a 4560-01 number or would it just be 4560? Also, if the case is that it remains with a 4560-01, would the second number be 1-2 or 1? Thanks, Soaper1234 ( talk) 15:02, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Sorry about that AP. I removed your episode summaries because I was going to add new ones, but I could just edit out the links and that would make it easier. I've been a tad unavailable recently, but should be back getting on with the episode lists soon. I really trying to work with 2013, then I'll move to 2014 and 2012. I'll change the '-' to '/' and I was just using Rachel's list as a template, hence following that rule. Why is it a double episode with the overall numbers, but not in the year? Sorry if I have done anything incorrect and please let me know if there is anything else. :) Soaper1234 ( talk) 17:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: What do you guys think about adding a reception section? For general reception of that year's storylines? Might be difficult for older ones but easlier for 2016. Or could it end up with too much? Anemone Projectors 16:59, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
@
AnemoneProjectors,
Soaper1234, and
RachelRice:It's interesting to note that on the BBC Middle East website they actually use the actual episode numbers.
http://www.bbcmiddleeast.com/programme-search/?p=eastenders might be useful if we need a ref, have also saved a copy in
Internet Archive. I had suggested to the
BBC Store they use Episode numbers on their site as of yet they only seem to have seem to use it on double episodes but I hope they name them all using the episode number as the air date is already there next to the run time.
https://store.bbc.com/eastenders Thanks
Kelvin 101 (
talk)
00:22, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes I have generated static numbers that allow us to change them for instant I have gone back as far as 4775/76. 1 January 2014 and made alteration to include the two episode count as we could not do it on the previous list. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 02:06, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: You don't don't happen to have any ideas when they started the hour long episodes, I would imagine somewhere after 2000 but I could be mistaken as I didn't start watching it till about 2003 or 2005. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:34, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
By the way, I remember years ago, someone telling me or it becoming evident that EastEnders episode numbers were reset at some point. But obviously, the numbers currently stack up so if that's true, it's been "undone" at some point. In fact, the script for Dot's monologue episode says episode 1369, but we know it's episode 3526. Anemone Projectors 16:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
http://web.archive.org/web/20060525104744/http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/EASTENDERS Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi I was looking at the 2014 and 2015 list and the numbers do not seem to follow on last episode of 2014, 4987 but first episode of 2015,4989 so somewhere there is 1 missing episode. The same with 2011 last episode 4344 but the first episode of 2012 4348. According to the BBC there has been 105 episodes in 1988 but I only count 104 unless they include Civvy Street as part of the series. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:32, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi do you know when the 15th Anniversary was broadcast according BBC Genome http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-02-27#at-13.00 it was Sunday 27 February 2000 13.00 but I thought it strange to be a Sunday so I though I better ask. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:29, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
1998
2000
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:49, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I know we are not doing the numbers but this is just a note for us for the future 4556 is missing from 2012 Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:22, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
I didn't want to put these numbers into our other table until I was sure. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:49, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Year | # Episodes in Year | # Episodes Overall | Notes | |
---|---|---|---|---|
1985 | 91 | 1-91 | ||
1986 | 105 | 92-196 | ||
1987 | 107 | 197-303 | ||
1988 | 105 (with Civvy Street) |
304-408 | 1 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [1] | |
1989 | 104 | 409-512 | ||
1990 | 104 | 513-616 | ||
1991 | 105 | 617-721 | ||
1992 | 106 | 722-827 | ||
1993 | 105 | 828-932 | ||
1994 | 142 | 933-1074 | 2 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [2] [3]One episode aired on a Sunday. [4] | |
1995 | 157 | 1075-1231 | Note 1 Omnibus aired on Monday. | |
1996 | 161 | 1232-1392 | Note 1 Omnibus aired on Monday, 1 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [5] | |
1997 | 162 | 1393-1554 | ||
1998 | 166 (with 4 Doubles) *168 |
1555-1720 | 1 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [6]Two episode aired on Sunday one of them within World Cup Listing. [7] [8] | |
1999 | 169 (with 1 Double) *170 |
1721-1889 | Note 1 Omnibus aired on Monday, There's 3 episodes on a Sunday. [9] [10] [11] | |
2000 | 162 (with 1 Double and Return of Nick Cotton) |
1890-2051 | (1 episodes has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [12] Includes 2 sunday episodes. [13] [14] 162 with Return of Nick Cotton. [15]) | |
2001 | 179 | 2052-2230 | ||
2002 | 211 (with Ricky & Bianca, 2 Episodes) |
2231-2441 | ||
2003 | 212 (with Dot's Story or Perfectly Frank) |
2442-2653 |
(Includes 1 sunday episode. [16] | |
2004 | 210 (with 3 Doubles + Pat and Mo) |
2654-2863 | (Includes 1 sunday episode. [17])213 with Pat and Mo. 3 episodes has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [18] [19] [20] | |
2005 | 211 (with 2 Doubles) |
2864-3074 | (Includes 1 sunday episode. [21]) | |
2006 | 211 (with 4 Doubles) |
3075-3285 | (4 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules. [22] [23] [24] [25] Includes 1 sunday episode. [26]) | |
2007 | 212 (with 3 Doubles) |
3286-3497 | ||
2008 | 212 (with 5 Doubles) |
3498-3709 | (1 episode has been removed due to Alternative Schedules, moved to next day. [27] Includes 2 sunday episodes. [28] [29]) | |
2009 | 213 (with 3 double) |
3710-3922 | ||
2010 | 209 (+9 double=213, + 1 comic relief) |
3923-4135 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2011 | 210 (+2 double=212) |
4136-4347 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2012 | 206 (+6 double = 212 + 3 red button) |
4348-4559 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2013 | 211 (+4 double = 215 + 2 red button + 1 Comic Relief special) |
4560-4774 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2014 | 206 (+7 double = 213 + 3 online) |
4775-4987 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2015 | 209 (+5 double = 214) |
4988-5201 (Jan-Dec) | ||
2016 | TBA | 5202-present (Jan-Dec) |
References
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1994-07-05#at-19.30 Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:44, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Starting a new thread as the episode numbers one is massive.
We know that 12 July 1994 is episode 1000, but ages ago when I did a manual list of dates, that date is 999 on the list - any ideas where it may have gone wrong? Shall we just wait and see as we work our way through the years? Anemone Projectors 21:17, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: I think I have now updated most things accordingly, but not the following years - see how it pans out up to episode 1000 first. I'm wondering if the same thing might apply to "The Return of Nick Cotton" (2000), "Ricky & Bianca" (2 episodes in 2002), "Dot's Story" (2003), "Perfectly Frank" (2003), and "Pat and Mo" (2004). If they are counted in the numbering, we should do the same as I have done with "Civvy Street" and consider them true EastEnders episodes, and it might really help account for the numbering differences too. Anemone Projectors 18:08, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Additionally I have added all the double episodes to the list but I cannot seem to find a place to put these on the list. 7 July 2011, 25 December 2011, 6 June 2012 and 11 September 2013. Sorry if this message take up too much space. I apologise in advance if my instructions for how to work out the Infax episodes numbers are not very good. Thanks Kelvin Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:09, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
When checking 159 is the amount of regular episodes, I check entries from Mon-Sat there was 228, like you say there is 69 that are not EastEnders weekly episodes 228-69= 159 episodes
But then that means it does not include these episodes aired on Sunday 2 Regular episodes and 1 special.
I am confused, unless the two parts Omnibus only count as one? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:23, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Just thought I'd mention that we know the first 1000 episodes have the right numbers, as long as we include Civvy Street. See User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes#List of EastEnders episodes, where 12 July 1994 is the 1000th episode listed and is episode number 1000. Anemone Projectors 23:01, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
I checked Digital Spy for the double episode on 26 November 2009 and found out that it did indeed have a double number. So having done all that now, we have the following:
If there are 2 doubles missing, then we'd be consistently 6 out, meaning that possibly the 6 spin-offs aren't included. But there aren't any other doubles in 2009. Anemone Projectors 09:49, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: I found another missing one. Here are some of the ref points according to the list with the spin-offs excluded
Meaning actually they all now match! Are we agreed then that Civvy Street is inluded but other spin-offs are not, and the first episode with a double number is 26 November 2009? Anemone Projectors 13:23, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi do you think it's worth putting a note about schedule changes by the appropriate episode, I have identified a few below they all seem to be when a football match is on. Although i'm not sure about the last one with EastEnders being scheduled for 7:30am I have asked Genome about it.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:49, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234:Hi do you think it's overkill to mention a different air time if it's due to the Christmas or New Year Schedules and not a sporting event. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:09, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I have added the dates in on your episodes list from 3328 9 March 2007 to 3916 31 December 2009. I have also moved all the numbers up as 9 March did not have a number. Do you think we should go back to the auto number list but for the double episodes lay it out like this
or are you happy with the manual list as well. I have put all the dates into excel with the manual list so we can move about the manual list easier. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. When looking for information on when EastEnders reset its episode numbers, I found this about when The Bill reset its numbers. From that, I looked at The Bill (series 25), and saw that they have an initial column for the number of episodes (in that series) and then the final column is for the production code. We could do this!
No. overall |
No. in year |
Original air date | Running time | Directed by | Written by | Viewers (millions) |
Prod no. |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
???? | 1 | 30 minutes | Toby Frow | Anya Reiss | 8.09 | 5202 | |
On Mick and Linda's wedding day, their son Lee is missing; when Mick and Lee's girlfriend Whitney find him, Whitney says she did not mean it when she previously said she wanted to end their relationship, and they hug. Mick's brother Dean arrives at the wedding venue, and his mother Shirley tells him not to ruin it for them, but he says he is there for her, because she tried to drown him after discovering he is a rapist. They argue by the side of a lake where she attempts to call the police, but when Mick sees them, Dean jumps in the lake, taking Shirley with him. Meanwhile, Roxy decides to leave the country following Dean's attempted rape, but her mother Glenda and sister Ronnie try to convince her to stay, and Denise receives a visiting order for her former husband Lucas, who is in prison. |
That's how it would look. But we'd have to know exactly how many broadcasts there had been (and we'd have to decide if we count Civvy Street etc), and then we could put in the episode numbers (production codes) when we know them (and we only know a handful of them before 2009, and we'd have to put in the reset numbers and then find out when the reset stopped... that's complicated!). I only suggest this because of the difference between episode numbers and number of episodes. We currently go by episode numbers - but then again I reckon so does the BBC, they would probably say the 5000th episode was episode 5000. The reason I know this is on "EastEnders Greatest Cliffhangers" for the 25th anniversary, they said there had been 3918 episodes, and that's where I got that magical number of 3918! So we should probably do the same and just forget I mentioned anything :) Anemone Projectors 12:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
And what Kelvin said about EastEnders Live having its number referenced as the number of episodes by BBC News! Anemone Projectors 12:29, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I have some bad new I have just went through 2002 and discovered a number of problems it means there has not been 220 episodes but 213. But there is a few more years to check, it might even itself out.
No episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-09-22#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-09-09#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-10-06#at-13.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-10-27#at-13.55
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-11-03#at-13.25
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-11-10#at-13.40
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-11-11#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-11-12#at-19.30
Mislabeled
11 December 2002 should be 12 December 2002
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-12-11#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-12-12#at-19.30
Missing from list
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-11-14#at-19.30
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:30, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
No episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-02-10#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-09-13#at-20.00
"Perfectly Frank"? wrong place should be 21 September 2003 http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-09-21#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-10-26#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-11-09#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-11-16#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-11-28#at-20.00
Missing from list
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-02-24#at-20.00
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:17, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
No episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-01-25#at-15.05
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-02-01#at-15.20
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-02-22#at-13.55
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-02-29#at-14.50
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-03-07#at-15.25
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-03-28#at-15.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-04-04#at-14.10
Missing from list
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-09-23#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-09-24#at-20.00
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:42, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Missing from list
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-02-01#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-05-27#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-07-05#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-08-18#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-10-17#at-20.00
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:32, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 12:14, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
No episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-01-01#at-10.50
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-01-15#at-15.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-01-29#at-14.15
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-02-19#at-14.45
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-10-20#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-11-03#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-12-15#at-20.00
Missing from list
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-08-01#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-08-03#at-19.30
Mislabeled
Double not two seperate episodes http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2006-03-24#at-20.00
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Extended Episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1998-04-10#at-20.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1998-07-09#at-19.25
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-09-07#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2001-03-01#at-19.40
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1999-12-31#at-17.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-01-31#at-17.30
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:39, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
No Episode
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-01-21#at-13.25
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-02-18#at-15.15
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-02-25#at-15.20
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-03-18#at-14.55
Missing from List
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-01-22#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-01-23#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-03-19#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2007-03-22#at-19.30
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi I have finished 2008 let me know how's it looking so far at least theres more wrong ones removed now.
No Episode
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-08-12#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-12-03#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-12-10#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-12-17#at-19.30
Missing from List
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-06-25#at-19.30
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:03, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Doubles Found
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-12-25#at-21.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2008-06-18#at-20.00
Episodes that did not air
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-10-30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-12-11
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-01-01#at-20.30
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:20, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I put sandbox4 to the main list and deleted my other sandboxes as unneeded. But - Problem!!! The 2nd episode on 23 July 2012, with the Olympic Flame, is definitely episode 4466 ( http://www.webcitation.org/697uC0ACP) but we have it listed as 4465!! Anemone Projectors 13:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
I just wanted to put this here - I said earlier "Yes, I do trust Digital Spy. I noticed some time ago that on their old website, you could get the episode number by looking at images from an episode" and have found an example when going through character pages for episode numbers - this was sourcing Archie's date of death but clearly gives the episode number 3939, which also matches what we have. I thought it was worth keeping. Anemone Projectors 22:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Wrongly listed episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-12-31#at-20.00
Missing episodes
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-10-31#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2002-12-12#at-19.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-01-31#at-17.30
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2004-12-25#at-20.25
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi looking at 31 January 2000 according to IMDB there was only 1 episode not 2 but its hard to tell on Genome http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-01-31 because they list 3 and they arn't label altertative schedule but looking at the Omnibus http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-02-06#at-13.00 there only seems to be 3 episodes for that week Mon,Tue, Thurs, not 4. Also on the old EastEnders site there no mention of it being a 2 parter http://web.archive.org/web/20060412153635/http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/eastenders/episodes/episode_content/episode20001231.shtml
I also wanted to ask you how you went about getting the air dates from IMDB was it just a simple copy and paste or was there a way of extract them from the list reason I ask I want to compare dates to see if there is some IMDB don't have which may mean possibly there was no episodes on that day.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/london/2011/11/18#evening
Um, if it helps, Colin Brake's book "EastEnders: The First 10 Years" lists episode numbers at the back, with writers and directors. 952 aired 07/04/94 and the new episode 1 aired on 11/04/94. It lists up to ep 88 (31/10/94). However, to complicate matters, Civvy Street is not mentioned and the episode does not appear in the table. HTH! Stephenb (Talk) 18:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
"Regarding your further queries, the production team provided the following data: They have had 5242 episodes since the series began. They work at roughly 208 episodes per year."
Thanks Stephenb I didn't know the first EastEnders: The First 10 Years listed episodes, I have actually ordered the book so that will be an added bonus when I get it.
Failing us not being able to work it out we might is to email BBC Studios [email protected] or ring the EastEnders Helpdesk number 020 822 87777. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:12, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Looking at 1994-2009 https://www.diffchecker.com/a1kbntcc were the problem is maybe it has something to do with Alternative Schedules 25 June 2008 has already been removed but it shows that the episode sypois is the same for the 26 June 2008 and the Sunday Omnibus shows only 4 episodes not 5. There might be another like that one we need to find. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:30, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Stephenb: Hi I have just got an email back from Genome about 19 March 2007. Remember we were not sure about this date because Genome had three episode listed and the BBC schedule said it didn't air. The reply is below.
"Eastenders was scheduled in RT, but Match of the Day Live actually went out – it was an FA Cup Replay, which is why it was unscheduled. It’s looking like there was a single episode shown on the 20th, with a double-length edition on the 22nd to get things back on schedule. We are sticking with what was in RT for the moment but when we get to the stage of putting what actually went out we will have the full details on the Genome site."
Also found these old radiotime pages not sure whether I have the dates right. Can you take a look please.
4265 - 18 August 2011
4293 - 4 October 2011
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:05, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Oh no, I've found a 55-minute episode on 27 November 2003! http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2003-11-27 Anemone Projectors 12:56, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
It's ok saw the note on the list, I wonder where those 5 mistakes could be. I was looking on BARB on BBC One 1998 29 Feb-6 Mar. I am confused number 8 is it saying there was any episode on Fri 6 March and I am sure there was no 29 Feb in 1998. Am I reading it right? I don't see a listing http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1998-03-06#at-19.30 Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I have had an idea just not sure how to execute it I have done a search on Digital Spy and have found this is the first episode entry http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/eastenders/spoilers/a8138/friday-4th-january-2000/ all the EastEnders episode pages seem to start with http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/eastenders/spoilers/ I know the episode numbers don't appear until 15 June 2009 - episode 3806 but if we could extract the data then we could possibly compare it to what we have with Genonme and hopeful work out an errors it just getting the data that is the tricky bit. If there is no errors then that would mean it would be somewhere before 2000. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/eastenders/images/c/c2/Soap_Spoilers_-_Digital_Spy.pdf/revision/latest?cb=20160320215946 So at the very least we can see the dates. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
I've just discovered that EastEnders Wikia have some episodes. It's not a reliable source but I thought I'd compare. They only have 1985, 1990, 1994, 2009, 2013, 2014 and 2015
So they've clearly used some unreliable list to get it so wrong in 2009, but they've used the correct numbers from where we know what the exact correct numbers are (their first ep after confirmed numbers from 15 June 2009 is in 2013). Worth checking, but not helpful in the end. Anemone Projectors 15:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi looking at the table like you say nothing stands out I was looking at the 10 Year book and though I would share this information. I have put it in a table as it's easier to read. I haven't check all the airdates but like Stephenb said Civvy Street does not appear. By my count there is 952 episode before reset, then to get to 12 July 1994 there's another 41 that 952+41= 933 + 7 other episodes labeled A or B thats now 1000 without Civvy Street. So civvy Street does not need to be include its just finding that one episode date in the book. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Episode # | Airdate | Notes |
---|---|---|
1 | 19 February 1985 | First episode |
194A | 25 December 1986 | |
194B | 25 December 1986 | |
298 | 24 December 1987 | |
298A | 25 December 1987 | |
300 | 31 December 1987 | |
300A | 31 December 1987 | |
358 | 21 July 1988 | |
358A | 26 July 1988 | |
372 | 13 September 1988 | |
372A | 15 September 1988 | |
818 | 24 December 1992 | |
818A | 25 December 1992 | |
922 | 23 December 1993 | |
922A | 25 December 1993 | |
952 | 7 April 1994 | Last episode before reset. |
1 | 11 April 1994 | First episode of reset |
88 | 31 October 1994 | Last episode in book |
Sorry it looks like in the book the list was mess up it not 88 episodes as of 31 October 1994 it 87 they missed a number of so it looks like Civvy Street would have to be included to make the numbers up to 1000. The mistake is below.
952 (episode pre reset)+ 40 (episode post reset) = 933 + 7 other episodes labeled A or B thats now 999. looks like Civvy Street is here to stay.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:51, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
I have found the exact dates for the others as well. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:08, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Also I have managed to find all the pages BBC Episode guide pages 2001-2008 all link are here User:Kelvin 101/BBC EastEnders Episode Links There are a few anomaly with the dates https://www.diffchecker.com/gall7r19 but they might misdated by the BBC. December 2008 was not on the old BBC site Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:29, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Episode 676: (6 July 1998)
Episode 766: (25 January 1999)
Episode 970 (24 April 2000)
Year | # INFAX Total | # Genome Omnibus | # INFAX - Omnibus | # Episodes (ours) | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1985 | 136 | 45 | 91 | 91 | |
1986 | 157 | 52 | 105 | 105 | |
1987 | 159 | 52 | 107 | 107 | |
1988 | 157 | 52 | 105 | 105 | Includes Civvy Street |
1989 | 157 | 53 | 104 | 104 | |
1990 | 156 | 52 | 104 | 104 | |
1991 | 158 | 52 | 106 | 105 | |
1992 | 158 | 52 | 106 | 106 | |
1993 | 157 | 52 | 105 | 105 | |
1994 | 194 | 53 | 141 | 142 | 1 Sunday episode and 2 Alternative Schedules |
1995 | 211 | 54 | 157 | 157 | 1 Omnibus aired on BBC2 and 1 aired on a Monday |
1996 | 217 | 56 | 161 | 161 | 1 Monday Omnibus |
1997 | 217 | 56 | 161 | 162 | |
1998 | 220 | 60 | 160 | 164 (168 inc doubles) |
4 doubles , 1 Alt Schedules, 2 Sunday Eps |
1999 | 223 | 56 | 167 | 169 (170 inc doubles) |
1 double, 1 Omnibus aired Monday, 3 episodes on a Sunday. |
2000 | 215 | 56 | 159 | 161 | 1 Alt Schedule, 2 sunday episodes, Omnibus in Two Two Parts (2 Parts could count as 1) |
2001 | 272 | 54 | 218 | 179 | Omnibus in Two Two Parts |
2002 | 312 | 57 | 255 | 209 | Omnibus Five Two Parts |
2003 | 287 | 54 | 233 | 209 (210 inc doubles) |
1 double, Omnibus in Two Two Parts |
2004 | 283 | 57 | 226 | 208 (212 inc doubles) |
4 doubles, Omnibus Five Two Parts |
2005 | 268 | 56 | 212 | 209 (211 inc doubles) |
2 doubles, Omnibus Five Two Parts |
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi remember a while ago we look at the numbers of INFAX http://web.archive.org/web/20060525104744/http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/EASTENDERS I have had another look and made this table it basically shows the number of episode INFAX reports, the amount of Omnibus found on Genome, INFAX episode number - Genome Omnibuses = the amount of episodes that should in that year and to the right of that the amount of episodes we have. Everything seem to match up 1985-90 then it starts to go a bit funny. Any ideas for the differences? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
Hi they sent the list over https://www.diffchecker.com/gvegs2j6 I haven't had time to go through it all but it see, but would seem that their list has a lot of incorections on it but then again. It a shame we only really have Genome to check pre 2007 dates on. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:12, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi is do you think locatetv.com reset numbering is reliable? I have added the earliest I could find to the reset list User:Kelvin_101/EastEnders_Episodes_Reset and the main list 18 April 2008 (1414) and a few others Kelvin 101 ( talk) 01:04, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Just thought I'd mention that I found someone's website where they had added synopses of EastEnders episodes from 1997 to 2000 (plus a few in 1985), and I thought I'd compare. See https://www.diffchecker.com/0zxgoh53 - they don't have these:
But does have:
*17 September 1999
Their site is here [5] but is broken so easiest thing is to Google "site:www.angelfire.com/me/tvsoaps/ eastenders" or replace "eastenders" in the search with the month and year to find the page. Any anomalies? Anemone Projectors 12:50, 3 April 2016 (UTC) Anemone Projectors 12:50, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I notice the message on the list for 6 May 2011. I checked it against TV Locate at it agrees with Digital Spy.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm confident that now we only have to remove two dates from the list. One could be Civvy Street, so we may only need to find one error.
Looking at the reset list, reset 1 is correct at 822 but 1 out at 872 (however 826 is 1 out the other way!? An error?), so do we need to focus on 1999? The only thing in 1999 I can see is a double episode, but even if it was counted as 1 at the time, it looks like all doubles were counted as 2 when the 3rd reset was done, and I can't see that they would have missed one out. The numbers in reset 2 are all 1 out as well, but it could be as simple as 10 August 2001 was not the first reset episode. Anemone Projectors 10:51, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: This is probably wrong but thought I would share it anyway, managed to make numbers match on this list User:Kelvin_101/EastEnders_Episodes_List_2 I figured what if they kept the same original way of numbering e.g) 194A and 194B and assume that the spin-off were included on the list but hour long episode before 2000 were not counted. Again this is just guesswork, let me know what you think thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Might need to rethink the spin-off list list, I have found another two hour long episodes. It the gift that just keeps giving.
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2000-08-28#at-20.00
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/2005-02-18#at-20.00
Although now everything in Reset 2 List seems to match so it just Reset 1 List 11 April 1994 - 9 August 2001
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:02, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi good point I am still playing around with the Reset 1 list for now. I have made the adjustments to the hourlong episodes. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:36, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I have had another look at the INFAX numbers and they seem to make a bit more sense now User:Kelvin_101/EastEnders_Episodes_Reset#INFAX. When you take 2 parts counting as 1 and added on extra programmes like EastEnders Revealed which they seem to count in INFAX. It does shows that, they 1998,1999 and 2000 hour long episode only count as one. I will try and finish off INFAX and try and tidy the table up a bit. I will have a look at your list. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:54, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I have used OCR on all the airdates in the First 10 Years Book to get all the airdates up to 31 October 1994 https://www.diffchecker.com/k7hret9u There are a few minor differences. It says 4 misnumbered dates and 1 missing episode but will need to look into them. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
According to Genome EastEnders did not air those days a part from one of them being an Omnibus. Worth a try I suppose. We do have all the airdates no I think. I am more convinced now its more about the way they are numbered. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:33, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Currently, our numbering is over by 5, meaning overall we need to remove 5 numbers. Here are some theories:
I'm not worried about making episode 1000 the 1000th episode - as it is referred to as the 1000th episode but it doesn't mean it has to be numbered episode 1000. None of these theories really work out, though. Anemone Projectors 10:44, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Episode # | Airdate | Notes |
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194A/B | 25 December 1986 | Two Episode on same day. |
298/A | 24 + 25 December 1987 | |
300/A | 31 December 1987 | Two Episode on same day. |
358/A | 21 + 26 July 1988 | This does not seem like a two-parter, not even in same week. |
372/A | 13 + 15 September 1988 | This does not seem like a two-parter, Different Writer/Director for each episode. |
818/A | 24 + 25 December 1992 | |
922/A | 23 + 25 December 1993 |
Another theory is that 27 November 2003 (50 minutes) counts as 1 not 2. Anemone Projectors 18:12, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
I apologise for the quality of some of the scans sometimes the directors/writers names don't come out clear, they need redone at some point. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:01, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi building on your theories, I have thought of a few. I am working on the assumption that the 7 A/B number are still present on the list. That leaves us with 2 episodes under.
Please let me know what you think of these theories. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:45, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I found this theory on Digital Spy Forum, it may help account for some the episodes that would need removed it would also possible corroborate for 18 February 2010 counting as only one.
"When they merge two eps to make a one hour one they usually count them as two separate episodes still, two writers are credited and each half retains its own episode number, which is why they count them as two. The merged ones are often merged at the last minute for scheduling reasons. If an episode is planned to be one hour long from the outset then it will count as one episode."
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi just received this email from BBC Archives, seems promising.
"We hold a collection of Programme-as-Broadcast documents here (PasBs) which contain the basic production details for all BBC programmes, including the Episode numbers for EastEnders.
From checking these I can confirm that the episodes were numbered 1 to 952 from 19/02/1985 to 07/04/1994. Then the numbering system restarted again with the episode on 11/04/1994 being Episode 1, coinciding with the beginning of there being 3 episodes a week.
The Civvy Street episode on 26/12/1988 does not have an official episode number according to the PasB, but I have checked a few of the hour long episodes (not all of them) and it looks as if these were counted as two episodes with two numbers per episode according to the numbering system.
In 2001 they decided to start from 1 again, when it changed to 4 episodes a week. So the episode on 06/08/2001 is Episode 1 according to PasBs.
Finally, in 2009 they decided to go back to the original numbering system - so the episode on 13/04/2009 is listed as number 3770 on the PasB (this is counting back from the first episode in 1985). This then matches up with the numbers on your table from the Radio Times.
I hope this is enough information to answer your query. It would be too time-consuming for me to check every special to confirm whether it counts as 1 or 2 episodes but if you have a few specific dates you would like the episode numbers confirming I can check these for you."
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:10, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Just found a different archive version that has Alfie Moon arrives. http://web.archive.org/web/20081231180052/http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/eastenders/eastde22.htm I can only guess they must have messed the page up somehow. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I heard back from the written archives, they could only give me the reset number as that is what is on the scripts.
"Glad to help – I’ve now had a look at the PasBs for the dates you have listed below and can confirm that they list the episode numbers as follows:
Hope this helps with your project,"
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:47, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi just came across this BBC Sale website it says the the World Cup episodes are supplemental episodes see link below. I am not 100% sure but it looks like they list the original numbers and reset numbers.
Do you think it's still worth confirming? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:06, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: There is more Seasons on this page 14-23, I think as far as it goes from 1998 to 20 November 2003. http://web.archive.org/web/20100411021506/http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/eastenders/eastmain.htm I had forgot about angelfire good call as Genome only gives very a limited synopsis. You were right about the A/B numbers there being more one example I found 10 April 1998 being 639/A then being re-numbered 1591/92 but then I wonder about the 7 A/B's if they were re-numbered. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:34, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Will try and match the reset list as well
User:Kelvin_101/EastEnders_Episodes_Reset#Reset_1_.281994-2001.29
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Well done in finding the hour-episode. They seem to use the same synopsis on the BBC Sale site as they do only the old EastEnders episode guides. http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/episodes/finder/list_episode_200305.shtml Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Wow well done I think you have cracked it, we know that they renumbered 10 April 1998 which was 639a so yeah It make sense they would have also renumbered the A/B's. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Just found a different archive version that has Alfie Moon arrives. http://web.archive.org/web/20081231180052/http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/eastenders/eastde22.htm I can only guess they must have messed the page up somehow. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
Was Phil arrest for Lisa's Murder on the 29 November 2002 because it on this list it seems to be 2 December 2002. Which maybe wrong. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:49, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
I do believe we are correct as of 18 November 2002 but my gut tells me that the 5 episode dates mentioned above should all be included. That means as of the 3rd reset (sandbox5 list) we are 3 out as of 13 April 2009. It's a shame that list doesn't continue. We probably have some hour-long episodes that are counted as a single episode. It'll probably be another request to the Archives though there's a lot of them. @ Kelvin 101: you could also ask about the two episodes on 25 December 2002. anemone projectors 16:26, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi unfortunately I have already sent the email asking for 20 November 2002, 21 November 2002, 29 November 2002, 16 December 2002 and 17 December 2002. But I am sure they won't mind in the next email. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:29, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Apparently 29 November 2002 was Spencer Moon's first appearance. Thannks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:22, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: So I have another theory, and that is that 5 September 1999 isn't counted, since according to BBC Sales, it didn't have an original episode number. This could be another one to ask about on email. anemone projectors 13:13, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi yeah the BBC Genome did confirm before that the 22 March 2007 was a 60 minutes episode because of Match of the Day taking priority on 19 March 2007. But you're right it could count as either one or two. I would love to know what the criteria is for just giving them one number if they are an hour-long. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:12, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: looking through the Series 16 list I Don't know if you came across this "908 UK SKIPPED THIS EPISODE # IT DOES NOT EXIST". Not sure what to make of that. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Found this http://www.kqed.org/tv/programs/archive/index.jsp?pgmid=9408&date=20070401 the dates are no UK airdates but might be able to match up some episodes from Synpois for example the below episode number matches in both the BBC Sale site and KQED Inc.
Having discovered that Trevor deleted Zoe's message, she stands up to him and leaves. Zoe contracts pnuemonia. Barry discovers Roy with Jane and is sworn to secrecy. (2223)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: I thought I'd have another look at my BBC Sales list with numbers ( User:AnemoneProjectors/sandbox) and noticed it goes one out as at number 1882 but is fine as at 1755. Can we add more reference points to this part of the list to try to find where the difference is? Or have we already established it? anemone projectors 17:05, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
I will take a look and come back to you asap. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:51, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:26, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I just came across something strange I found the picture of a script that was given away as part of a competition in Canada http://www.visiontv.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/EESwagSweepstakes_SignedScript.jpg the scripts is 4658 but on the bottom it says issued 20 August 2014. But we know that episode as 17 June 2013. Do you think the reason for that date was because it was for the competition. I also saw this picture and of Episode 3+4 and it I cross check the director's name which was wrong on the 1985 Article List. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ Kelvin 101: I looked the numbers you found from Getty Images, and saw that numbers in reset 2 didn't match up to what we had. I recreated User:AnemoneProjectors/sandbox to see how I could make them match - the changes I made are marked ***. For most of them I could find 2-parters or longer episodes, but one of them I didn't, so I just changed 6 May 2003. However, if we were to then implant these changes into the main list, as of 2009 it is 10 out, meaning 10 need to be added! 7 of them are probably original As and Bs (I am pretty sure they need to be counted as of the 3rd reset), but that still leaves a difference of 3. Therefore this still hasn't helped. Therefore I don't think finding more original numbers from reset 2 is going to make much difference, though I do wonder if it does give us a clue as to some of the hour-long episodes that have now been counted as a single number - I think good candidates are 25 December 2004, 18 February 2005, and 25 December 2005. These are more likely to have been deliberately written as hour-long episodes as two of them are Christmas episodes and the other is the 20th anniversary. If I am correct, then as of 13 April 2009, we are just 1 out. See User:AnemoneProjectors/sandbox6. anemone projectors 15:45, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Its strange only some episodes are listed on getty although I suspect they all might be there, it just what has been index in google as I can't find them on the Getty site. This is the link I have been using below.
I do agree with your points as soon as the written archives gets back in touch we can get those dates checked. On the reset list I hadn't counted the 2 parters as 1 as I was just collate the numbers. All 2 parters count as 1 second reset. It's a shame Getty doesn't list the reset numbers with the retroactive numbers.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:08, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I found the reset number for the ones you mentioned it looks like 18 February 2005 only counts as one.
I have no idea how I managed to find this link but can find the majority of episodes using the date filter on the side. http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/search/more-like-this/BBC_DRAA402K
The reset list is nearly done there is just a bit of tweaking with checking Getty whether hour-long episodes and 2 Parters count as 1 or 2. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC) Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I think I found one of the hour-long episodes that counts as 1
I have made a table with all the hour long episodes and their numbers. User:Kelvin_101/EastEnders_Hour_Long_Episodes two more episodes to find. Maybe to narrow it down. We should look to see if the hour-long episodes has two writer or just one. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:41, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I found a lot of scripts numbers on this site http://www.worthpoint.com/inventory/search?currencyCode=GBP&query=EASTENDERS+SCRIPT&categories=%7B%7D&channels=%7B%7D&max=100&rMin=&rMax=&sort=BestMatch&absoluteMax=632&layout=grid&saleLocation=UK&datasource=&datasourceName=&sourceUrl=&searchForm=search&restrictTo=worldwide&_img=&img=on its basicaly an archive of what is sold on ebay all the numbers seem to match up a part from 24 November 1998. It says its 738 but the reset list says it's 737. But might be a mistake as I cannot see the picture of script clearly and BBC sales notes it as 737 and synopsis matched date in Genome.
Although the numbers match up I am still curious about 5 December 1995 Part 1 + Part 2, According to Getty they are 268A/268B, 24+25 December 1996 could possibly 430/430A and 31 March 1997 Part 1 & Part 2 could possibly 471A/471B. Although then deducting 3 would me you would need to find three. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:28, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi sorry I was talking about the reset list which I was hoping that would help us solve the main list. It a shame we can't get access to bbcworldwidesales.com as they would likley have a full list but its only for businessss. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:27, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I came across these retroactive episode numbers on the official EastEnders Youtube channel. I am surprised I never noticed it before. I don't know if it will help us but thought I would mention it just in case. https://www.youtube.com/show/eastenders/playlists
on a clip if you click "show more" it shows you information like
I have tried to put them onto this list and match them up User:Kelvin_101/Test#List_of_EastEnders_episodes. It gets a bit tricky after 2 March 1995.
A selection of the air date and episode numbers are below.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi not sure if you have seen the British Soap Awards 2016, but Adam Woodyatt made a reference to Episode 527 when he was talking about Steve McFadden first appearance which was 20 February 1990. Trouble is we are one out on the main list. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:14, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
British Soap Awards 2016 Clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTmIb0sLvzQ
If there was only there was a way to contact him and ask him, where he got that number.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:40, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I came across this Freedom of Information Request made to the BBC in 2011
The person making the request wanted to know the episode and airdate of a specific episode. They provided the BBC with a synopsis. The BBC replied "Ep c963 (tx: 06.03.2006)"
It seems to match up with Genome and the reset list.
Strangely as it was 2011, I would have thought they would have given him a retroactive number instead.
I previously made a request for an episode list but it was turned down due to "Please note that the information you have requested is excluded from the Act because it is held for the purposes of ‘journalism, art or literature"
We know that the third reset starts 13 April 2009 on episode 3770. I am now wondering if I make a request for the air dates for the episode 1000, 2000, 3000 or possible 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500, 3000. Then because it not to much information for them to find out they might grant the request.
In other news I was speaking to someone on the Walford Gazette website and they said they would like to write a story about the project we are trying to do possibly to be published in late June. I did tell him I would have to ask your permission. Does this seem like a good idea? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:24, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Also have received an email back from the BBC in reply to the Freedom of Information request for the air date of episode 1000,1500,2000,2500,3000,3500 unfortunately they have refused it saying that it's only held for journalism but I have requested it be reviewed as it mentions on the information commissioner site.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:26, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Recently, I've observed episode numbers being added to some articles for characters arriving or leaving in around 2008 (not sure if I saw it for one in 2006) which are consistently 2 out with our list, which we know is 2 out. When I wrote the Pretty Baby article, I gave it the number 3517, though not sure where I got it from now, which is also 2 out. So thinking our error is somewhere before 2008, rather than at the very end of the reset. Just a thought. anemone projectors 09:07, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I certainly agree with you that the error is before 2008, going on the reset list I would say between 11 April 1994 and 2008. Reason I mention 11 April 1994 the start of the first reset is because I noticed after a search on the National Archives site that in the Special Collections Department Library at the University of Glasgow, they had a 68 scripts of the writer Susan Boyd and sent me a list of all the Episode numbers and Transmission dates data here User:Kelvin 101/Susan Boyd Scripts but at certain points they are either 1 out or 2 out in 1994/1996 and 1997. I am trying to find out the reason for this.
I have still not heard back from the BBC Freedom of Information Request but I think thats good as it should mean they are looking into the request. With regard to Pretty Baby.... episode 3517 is it possible you counted back from the Radio Times numbering? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 12:57, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: I have made a list of all the anomalies I could find on the User:Kelvin 101/BBC Sales Records, if you come across any others please let me know.
The last episode 20 November 2003 on BBC Sale ends 2616 It is likely if these four episodes are include it would now end 2620 .
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:58, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
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Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Were missed of the final list and 5 September 1999 the hong long which counts as two according to BBC Sales (previous we thought it was one and still is on the main list). That leaves one out and thinking back the mention that Adam Woodyatt made during the British Soap Awards makes me think of Civvy Street being included to make 12 July 1994 the 1000th episode as its claimed on they TV advert for that episode. This would all fit User:Kelvin 101/List of EastEnders episodes TEST. Although the reset was not done till 2009 and the BBC Sales list were made few years before that. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:22, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
# | No. in year |
Original air date | Running time | Directed by | Written by | Viewers (millions) | |
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— | 191 | 30 minutes | Geoff Harris | Lynne Dallow | TBA | ||
Note: This episode is not included in the overall numbering of the EastEnders episodes. |
There is not many more year pages to do just 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006. But at the end we will need to try and fill in the blanks on certain directors/writers, if we can. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 10:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
I know you are most like right but now we are coming to the end keeping thinking of different combinations and I know I am overthinking it. Thanks 00:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi there nothing urgent so I want ping you. I was just editing User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (1999) and noticed there are already some episode numbers there. For example 4 January 1999 its down as 1723 but BBC Sales Records says it's 1712. You don't happen to know the source of 1723? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:09, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: I saw a few bits on User:RachelRice/List of EastEnders episodes (2015) where it says (eg) "Last appearance of Khali Best as Dexter Hartman and Anna Acton as DC Emma Summerhayes." and I thought this seemed a good idea, despite the fact I hadn't kept it up or done it anywhere myself... so I thought I'd add them in for 2016, but I'm confused as to what to do, so am wondering if we should actually bother at all.
Firstly, do we include returns or former regular characters in guest appearances (such as Glenda/Charlie/Jean/Ollie/Ryan)? If we do, it'll be very cluttered, especially if it's just for one or two episodes. And we don't really know what's going on with Mo anymore...
Secondly, currently I've added in the last appearances for Kat and Alfie, but if they do return after the spin-off, then it should probably be removed, and it seems likely that would be forgotten.
So actually I'm now wondering if it's not worth bothering at all - the cast list say how many episodes they were in, and the episode summary usually makes it clear that a character has arrived or left. So what are your thoughts on putting this information in? Anemone Projectors 16:22, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
In the cast lists, I list any cast member if the character is mentioned in the plots. In User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2016), I have added Bert and Ernie Moon, because I mentioned them and their portrayers are known, but as they are uncredited, I've put "unknown episodes" and a note saying they are uncredited. Am I right to do this? It's similar to Tracey in 2015, where she is only credited a couple of times but is mentioned in plots. Could I attempt to count their appearances before all of January's episodes expire (possibly not worth is, or I'd have to count Tracey's too)? How about Pearl? I haven't mentioned her yet, but the same would apply. Anemone Projectors 07:59, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234: Just to say that in the note I added about "infants", this is because children aged around 4 such as JJ and Lily (when she first arrived) have been credited, but children of this and similar ages weren't credited in the 80s and 90s, but they're not technically infants, so the notes should probably read "young children" rather than "infants". Maybe I should also change this for Bert and Ernie - and Pearl who is about to have her first birthday. Anemone Projectors 09:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Kelvin 101: I was about to start on adding the cast and characters onto the early years using the appearance guide on IMDb when I noticed the first nineteen episodes (19 February until 23 April) were given names. A similar format was used in the two episodes which aired on 19 February 2015. I wasn't sure if you would like to include these names or not? Soaper1234 ( talk) 14:56, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Well this is interesting, I just found this, which is an interview with Rob Gittins and says the following:
Tony Holland, the original creator of EastEnders insisted that all the writers title their episode, despite that title never appearing on screen.
Rob wrote the hour-long 30th anniversary episode of EastEnders which aired last year. Although the title never appears on screen, he called that episode 'Look Back in Anger', after the Oasis song.
“I usually use song titles. The old Beatles one, ‘Don’t Let Me Down’, was the most recent episode that I did” he adds.
So it looks like in the early days, the episodes were titled, and at least Rob Gittins still titles his episodes. We currently only know a small handful of episode titles, basically "Poor Old Reg", "Pretty Baby...." (which was on the script) and "Look Back in Anger" (also on the script). I'm not sure I trust the titles that IMDb has but it would be so good if we could find more titles, but it's probably impossible. We don't even know if "Don’t Let Me Down" would be the one he had most recently written before that interview or that was most recently broadcast. But I'm guessing that any episode that is titled has the title on the script's front page (the other scripts from the Live Week have no titles). — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 12:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:07, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234 and Kelvin 101: Where are we getting cast lists from, e.g. User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (1985)#Cast and characters? Anemone Projectors 22:33, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
As I have moved onto the 1986 cast, I have run into some issues that do not look like they make sense. I think your idea of doing an alphabetical list without a cast count may be a good idea. However, I may currently have someone that can provide me with some reliable numbers. Soaper1234 ( talk) 20:29, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and AnemoneProjectors: Hi, I noticed on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2016)#Cast and characters you had Shabnam written as "Shabnam Masood/Shabnam Kazemi". I wondered your reason behind this. I thought a better alternative may have been to write the name which she was most credited as throughout the year - so it would Shabnam Masood. Soaper1234 ( talk) 11:12, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and AnemoneProjectors: Doing the cast lists and I'm unsure of Nick Cotton's status within the show. Was he a regular throughout every appearance, would he be added as a "recurring and guest character". Of which years would he be a regular? Which years would he be a recurring/guest character? Soaper1234 ( talk) 17:11, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi I was thinking about external links Pre 2007 do you think it's ok to use BBC Genome as the BBC don't have a programme guide on the EastEnders website as long as it list all the episodes.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 02:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
When an episode is a double and has two numbers - e.g. 5510/5511 - should we list it in that year as, for example, episode 1 in the year, or episode 1/2? And in the number of episodes in that year, should we count it as two or one? Anemone Projectors 16:32, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Continuing from my above comment (which I did write there but thought it was better as a new subject): I want these all to become mainspace articles when we have the full list, but then again I suppose we could move them into mainspace as and when each one is complete. What are your thoughts on when we should consider this ready to go into mainspace? Anemone Projectors 09:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
As you may be aware, I have added cast descriptions to 1985. I was wondering if you thought this would be okay for use or was too long/should it be changed. For the pages 1986 onwards, which I am editing I was going to just follow the idea of departures, returns and exits across the year as well as recasts etc. Is that alright or should it be edited? Thanks, Soaper1234 ( talk) 16:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi I know we sometimes have blank space for writers but mostly directors on the year pages. I noticed on the more recent entries on BBC Genome there are page such as
Tuesday 26 May 1999 that do not list a writer http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1992-05-26#at-19.30
but then on the Thursday 28 May 1992 it says "This week's episodes written by Susan Boyd" http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1992-05-28#at-19.30
is it ok to fill in these blanks even if it doesn't say it in the actual entry. Just want to make sure just incase I do it all wrong. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Just a quick reminder, if you're adding writers and directors, please check which have Wikipedia articles and add links appropriatey. I've done 1990 but not sure if I got them all - Leonard Lewis, Tony Jordan, Tony McHale, Rob Gittins, Mervyn Cumming and Tony Grounds all have articles, for example. Anemone Projectors 14:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
I have included a picture of the page of the book.
Somehow it seem to start to match up again at
Maybe there's an episode there that shouldn't be there.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:06, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Air Date | Genome Writer/Director |
Book Writer/Director |
Notes |
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12 April 1994 | No info | Tony Jordan/Leonard Lewis | |
14 April 1994 | Tony Jordan/Leonard Lewis | Ashley Pharoah/Keith Boak | |
18 April 1994 | No info | Ashley Pharoah/Keith Boak | |
19 April 1994 | No info | Ashley Pharoah/Keith Boak | |
21 April 1994 | Ashley Pharoah/Keith Boak | Example | |
25 April 1994 | Susan Boyd/Barbara Emile | Susan Boyd/Philip Casson | Genome has Barbara Emile as the director but mentions Philip Casson as producer might have it wrong way around? |
26 April 1994 | Susan Boyd | Susan Boyd/Philip Casson | |
28 April 1994 | Jeff Povey/Bill Hays | Jeff Povey/Bill Hays | Seems to Match |
3 May 1994 | No info | Jeff Povey/Bill Hays | |
5 May 1994 | week's episodes written Jeff Povey/Barrie Shore. Director:Bill Hays | Barrie Shore/Bill Hays | |
9 May 1994 | No info | Joanne Maguire/Geoff Feld | |
10 May 1994 | No info | Joanne Maguire/Geoff Feld | |
12 May 1994 | week's episodes written Joanne Maguire/Len Collin and Director: Geoff Feld. | Len Collin/Geoff Feld | |
16 May 1994 | Tony McHale/Stephen Garwood | Tony McHale/Stephen Garwood | Seems to Match |
17 May 1994 | Tony McHale | Tony McHale/Stephen Garwood | |
19 May 1994 | No info | Tony McHale/Stephen Garwood | |
23 May 1994 | Gillian Richmond/Penelope Shales | Gillian Richmond/Penelope Shales | Seems to Match |
24 May 1994 | No info | Gillian Richmond/Penelope Shales | |
26 May 1994 | No info | Gillian Richmond/Penelope Shales | |
30 May 1994 | No info | Michael Robartes/ Jeff Naylor | |
31 May 1994 | No info | Michael Robartes/ Jeff Naylor |
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234:Oh yeah found a useful piece of software called nbClipboard it's useful if you have lots to copy and paste. You basically just copy text and it queues it into a list then you can paste multiple items from that list one after another instead of going back and forth.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:29, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
The three new pages can be found here https://www.flickr.com/photos/30536759@N07/albums/72157671061439105
Strangely though even though it was published by a different publisher. The episode list remains the same with regard to no Episode 10 in the first reset. Which I find really strange might have to ask the written archives about that one. I did come up with a theory for this as it would make some sense as on the Reset 1 List they messed up the third programme number and didn't notice till later see below
I have a strong feeling that the mistake is somewhere within the first reset 11 April 1994 to 2 August 2001 as all the script numbers seem to match up in the second reset.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:26, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: I noticed you made this edit and rememebred I had made a list of some of the complaints at User:AnemoneProjectors/EastEnders complaints back in 2010. This should help in relation to some other eps, though I know my list is incomplete, even up to 2010 when I made it. Anemone Projectors 15:09, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
EastEnders complaint is at 3m 44s>
EastEnders Response:
Since it began in 1985, EastEnders has consistently entertained its millions of viewers each week with a huge breadth of wide ranging storylines, from the dramatic and powerful to the light and humorous. Our audience have a long and established relationship with the show and have come to expect our big dramatic moments as they continually follow the lives of those who live in Walford. EastEnders always seeks to tell new stories to entertain our viewers and we have a big summer ahead. We continue to be one of the most popular shows on the BBC and remain one of the most continuously requested shows on BBC iPlayer.
EastEnders Spokesperson
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:10, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
57 minutes should be treated the same as 60 minutes, because no episode is ever 30 minutes, but they are still listed as 30 minutes, most are 27 or 28 minutes. Anemone Projectors 23:38, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Going off topic I was trying to find a character today called "Estella Hulton" (2002) played by Ellen Thomas but there doesn't seem to be anything on her. Tried to find her first appearance date but can't seem to find one. Any ideas? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:58, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I just saw an article about the technical glitch in last night's episode and noticed that you have noted it in the 2016 Episodes article. It must have only been some parts of the country as I did not experience it. I was watching it on BBC One HD (London Version) as we do not have a HD version for are part of the country yet. Might by only SD broadcasts that were affected.
It going me thinking if there has been many more technical glitches we might be able to find on the news websites.
The only other one I could find was a sound glitch 22 October 2015 but thats already been noted http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/furious-eastenders-fans-demand-apology-6686237
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
Before 1998, we only know the ratings of the highest episode that year. Therefore, the rest should either be marked with N/A or the column could be removed for the rest of the months. Keeping the column would be consistent. Or we could keep them all in and put "Unknown". I think that's better as it shows that it is unknown. Any thoughts? anemone projectors 16:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I have conflicting information with regard to the ratings
Not sure which ones we should use. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:28, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Here are the link, do you think we could incorporate The Guardians table into the ratings section of the EastEnders article?
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:49, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Thanks for that I was looking at the rating for the first episode
The BBC say 13 million http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0276ht4 and so does this book "Understanding the Media: A Practical Guide" https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=tbGAAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=19+february+1985+eastenders+million&source=bl&ots=jUzr-Gw0N_&sig=2FuLg1BEWvIwnMrzX3hy67phhCg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW4uCarsbMAhVIJMAKHb-JBBkQ6AEISDAH#v=onepage&q=19%20february%201985%20eastenders%20million&f=false
but then again The Guardian and The Telegraph say 17 million which is quite a difference http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/feb/08/eastenders-bbc-25-years http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/02/29/the-history-of-eastenders/ Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
"Most of the figures from 1961 to 1997 came from back issues of two industry magazines - "Television Mail" from 1961 to 1973 and thereafter " Broadcast" (it's basically the same magazine, it just had a relaunch in '73).
If there's a chart placing alongside the figure, it came from the magazine, and the back issues were in the British Newspaper Library which is a part of the normal British Library, now based in St. Pancras. Now, that magazine only published the figure when the programme appeared in the top 10 (up to 1961) or the top 20 (thereafter).
Any viewing figure that's outside the top 10/20 and therefore on our site as "chart placing unknown" came from the Independent Broadcasting Authority archive which is held by the British Film Institute and can be viewed by appointment at their Rueben Library on London's South Bank. Post 1997 figures come from the BARB website."
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:36, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Looks like you can search but if you want to view the information it requires a subscription thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:44, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:58, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
<ref name="[name]">{{cite journal |last1=[name] |first1=[name] |date=[date] |url=[the link it is now at in the archive] |title=[article title] |access-date=[date you accessed it] |url-access=limited |format=[PDF, or something other than html] |journal=[[The Listener (magazine)|The Listener]] |volume=[if any] |issue=[number] |page=[number] |via=[[Gale (publisher)|Gale]] }}</ref>
Top 70 list
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:07, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Just checking - were those 9 missing ratings from 1985 really outside of the entire top 50 for BBC One those weeks? I'm finding that hard to believe, as all the others seemingly were all within the top 10. Could you make a note somewhere (on your missing data page maybe) of the lowest available rating for those weeks so we know that the rating would have been lower than that number? I'd be interested to see a screenshot if you could do that, just to see for myself as I find it so hard to believe! Not that I don't believe you, obviously! But I find it incredible. anemone projectors 09:47, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
With regard to the top 50 looking at it again that one is not weekly but rather monthly combined across BBC1/BBC2/ITV/Channel4.
But I did find weekly top 100 data combined across BBC1/BBC2/ITV/Channel4 but it seems to be sketchy especially the first mentioning it aired on Fri. These look like average figures rather than combined with both Tue/Thur and Sun.
Position= 20 - EastEnders - *Day= Fri *Millions = 13.40
Position= 24 - EastEnders - *Day= Tue, Thur, Sun *Millions =12.35
Position= 27 - EastEnders - *Day= Tue, Thur, Sun *Millions =11.78
Position= 23 - EastEnders - *Day= Tue, Thur, Sun *Millions = 12.48
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:13, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: We have a slight problem, I was reading ahead to 1998 and it turns out although the viewing figures on BARB site from July 1998 are combined with the Omnibus. The three magazine we are using switch from Combined figures to singular figures at different times so we only have combined figures up to April 1995. Ignore The Listener as that stops publication in January 1991. But the other two magazines info is below.
Up to December 1992 (combined viewing figures) - January 1993 onwards (Not combined viewing figures)
Up to April 1995 (combined viewing figures) - May 1995 onwards (Not combined viewing figures)
I was just wondering how to proceed as the first half of 1998 will would be singular figures and the second half combined.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:54, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Sorry I'm a bit behind as you can probably tell, but I just looked at the ratings for 1997 and you've said that the majority of them are not combined with the omnibus, however, there aren't any notes to say which are and which aren't, so does that mean none of them are combined? Also, for 15 December 1997 you've put "07.13", I just wanted to check that is definitely meant to be 7.13 because there wouldn't normally be a leading 0. Thanks anemone projectors 18:38, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: It would appear someone else has started researching old EE viewing figures they have some we don't but comparing a few of ours against theirs they seem to match.
Kelvin 101 ( talk) 11:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
I contacted the researcher and they gave me their sources.
These are all from Broadcast:
The only rating Broadcast has for 28/30 May is the week's average (8.34m) (Page 44, 21 June)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:01, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I am assuming from your bio you live in Hertfordshire. You just need your library card number.
I had a quick look at The Times via my library and there are some EastEnders articles that might be useful.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:38, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Moving away from episode numbering for a bit.... Seen what I did at User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2016)#Cast and characters with images? I think images in articles in a great idea if we have them available but I wondered if a side gallery of cast changes is a good idea or is it better to have a larger gallery section with a selection of cast members (not actually sure I like that idea, it could be a pretty big gallery). We could expand it to other years and could use cast, sets, props or costumes to illustrate certain storylines too, for example, the top of the January 2016 section could have an image of Linda's pink dressing gown because it relates to her and Mick's wedding, or images of murder weapons could go in relevant months. As long as there's enough space. anemone projectors 14:23, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: It's certainly a good idea and it looks really good to illustrate the characters but sometimes its hard to find licence free images to use. I think there some props pictures that can be used here https://www.flickr.com/photos/mediamuseumevents/sets/72157623334996871/ Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:32, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Kelvin 101:, I recently noticed the new template colours, matching the title card of that year. I wasn't sure whether it was a great idea to have them fairly dark/dull colours, which are all quite similar too. For example, List of Casualty episodes has a varied set of colours and I feel that something like this may be a better idea. I was wondering either of your thoughts on the topic, Soaper1234 ( talk) 14:53, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234: Do you mean this page User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (article) ? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
When there is a double episode with two numbers, should it take the format
When there are two writers, should it be:
I think we currently have a mixture and therefore all lists should be checked to make them the same. My preference is for full numbers (so if there was 4999/5000, it would be the same as 5100/5101), and for Person 1/Person 2, as I think the ampersand is unencylopaedic. Ideally I'd like the top line of every episode (i.e. the line with the number, date, credits etc) to only be on one line where possible, so we shouldn't force it onto two with <br/>, if it wants to fall onto two lines for certain screen resolutions, let it happen naturally. anemone projectors 09:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
If in doubt, look at the 2016 list. anemone projectors 10:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi sorry for getting back to you so late I will make sure that all double numbers are in full with a slash and that double writers also have a slash with no line break. I will set aside a day to check all articles using this criteria. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
I've noticed some errors when episodes are broadcast at different times, such as series or film titles not being in italics, which they should be. Also, It's better to say something like "This episode was shown at [time] because of [or due to] a broadcast of [or coverage of] [tv show or film or event]." rather than "This episode was shown at [time] because of [or due to] [tv show or film or event]." Also I noticed some of the genome references in the 1997 list are for the wrong date so they may need to be checked. And I don't think we need to add the #time part of the URL to the reference.
@ Kelvin 101: Do you check my edits to see what corrections I've made? anemone projectors 09:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
If in doubt, look at the 2016 list. anemone projectors 10:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Again sorry for the late reply, I had forgotten all about italicising as often try and get as much done as possible and occasion forget everything that is needed. I will use you wording from now on for the episode broadcast at different times and will backtrack through all the other articles so the wording is the same. The reason I included #time is when copying and pasting they come as standard and it easier for the person who is checking the reference to find.
Funny you should mention episode broadcast at different time just came across 28 June 2004 BARB has it listed as airing at 9pm and straight after it Traffic Cops at 9.30pm but Genome has it airing at EE at 8pm and does not list Traffic Cops. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:47, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
As discussed above you would like episodes that aired at different times, for the sentence structure to be like this "No episode on Thursday 17 June due to Programme Title being shown live".
Just to double check before I change all the pages are you ok with the following sentences examples.
If you have any problems with the wording please let me know I am going to try and go through all the pages tomorrow or when the above meets your approval.
Sorry to be a pain as you can problem guess my sentence structure, grammar and spelling are not up to much.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:00, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi guys all episode numbers, viewing figures (post 1998), directors/writers (some still need more research) but are more or less done. I have created this page which gives a breakdown or what is still need in each article User:Kelvin 101/List of missing data from year articles it's similar to the main list but lists specifics to allow it easier to research. Any thoughts on when the articles should be moved onto the main space. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
I just thought I'd check the latest edits of some of the pages but I only checked 2003 as I'm out of time really. I've decided to mark the 2003 list as "CHECKED", if it's ok I want to make sure I've checked every page, so I'll add this note for pages I've gone through. Thanks :-) anemone projectors 17:26, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Good idea writing "CHECKED" so we can see which one are all done. I got an email back BARB about the missing Data for w/e 3 Sep 2000 and w/e 20 Jul 2003, it has now been added. With regard to the below parts they have told me they do not have any records of which rating goes with which part and do not have any broadcast times to match them up.
I am wondering should rating be left blank or should it have both ratings in the field like this "16.15 /22.14" with a footnote mentioning the order is unknown. I was also thinking about the 1998 World Cup episode rating could we use this BARB rating for it "W.CUP PRE MATCH (SUN 1900) 7.67m" as it would have been before the match according to the Genome synopsis. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:48, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: One more thing I think needs to be added or checked on every page is the paragraph at the top of the "list of episodes" section that talks about the number of episodes, when they are normally broadcast, who executively produced them, where they were repeated (omnibus, BBC Three, etc), and where ratings, airdates, credits, running times, episode summaries and episode numbers are taken from, with references (see 2014 or 2016 for good examples). If there's no reference for episode numbers, don't worry about mentioning it! And if it's a year with no BARB ratings but they are individually referenced, don't worry about mentioning that either. I think we should put on our work in progress list a note to check that paragraph and remove it when it's checked and done. anemone projectors 12:03, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: That sounds like a good idea, will try and go through some year pages today, I have also done what you suggested with the 1998 world cup episode and it does make more sense to have a note explaining that the rating is for the programme the episode was broadcast within. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:12, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: This is the list for the usual days User:Kelvin 101/EastEnders Episodes Unusual Airdates but it only covers different days ask it's all extracted for Genome it does not cover different times. It might be a case of flicking through the BBC EE site month by month to see if there is any unusual broadcast times. I did make notes of years that don't have many time differences.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:03, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/4aad32e4ea76497299ab1eec1ebf1277
@ AnemoneProjectors: Sorry I couldn't help yesterday, I was away from my computer. Thats a very well detailed investigation there are a few episode with single numbers that last an hour see User:Kelvin 101/EastEnders Hour Long Episodes. After I finish going through BARB this week it might be worth me asking the written archives to check if the single numbered hour long episodes are correct. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:42, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I have just discovered that BBC Programme Catalogue (a cutdown version of Infax) is exclusively in British Library in the St Pancras ( London) and Boston Spa ( Yorkshire) reading rooms. Although it was made available in 2012, I am assuming it's still there as it's still listed on the British Library's website in the reading room section.
I assume this is the kind of information that would be available
No episode numbers but good for Directors and Writers. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 12:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
"The BBC Catalogue service at the British Library is based on their Redux off-air recording system (2007-11 records and programmes), but includes historic (i.e. pre-2007) catalogue records from what was Infax as well, going back to the 1950s. The records have been redacted to a degree, to remove some personal information.
However, there are currently technical problems with the BBC Catalogue service and the service is not available in our reading rooms at present. The BBC are looking at the issue, but I have not been given a date when the service is likely to return.
The Fabric archive access system never became a reality after the cancelling of the BBC’s Digital Media Initiative in 2013." Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Besides the missing Directors/Writers, is there anything else that I can do, I know you are checking through the articles and Soaper is collating the yearly cast/character lists. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:27, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: The list entry for this episode says it was shown at 7pm but Genome has it at 7.30pm and no mention of Sportsnight. Is this correct? anemone projectors 22:15, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
# | Date Aired | Writer |
---|---|---|
194 | 25 December 1986 | Tony Holland |
248 | 2 July 1987 | Charlie Humphreys |
401 | 17 October 1996 | Tony McHale |
479 | 17 April 1997 | Tony Jordan |
756 | 31 December 1998 | Simon Ashdown |
34 | 2 October 2001 | Tony Jordan |
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
When all the pages are moved into mainspace, they will need to be added to the navigation template. I just wondered what you guys thought might be the best layout out of the three ideas I had at User:AnemoneProjectors/Template:EastEnders. Personally I favour either the 2nd or 3rd ones over the 1st. @ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: thanks. anemone projectors 08:59, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi @ Kelvin 101: the ratings for 25 December 1999 are separated despite no times being given on BARB, and 31 December 1999 being combined. Could you check this for me? Thanks. anemone projectors 15:36, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I just checked 25 December 1999 it has times EASTENDERS (SAT 1753) 11.96 and EASTENDERS (SAT 2029) 12.43. It strange how the 25 December has times but the 31 December does not. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:45, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: I wondered if you could do me a favour, similar to what we had with the Mike Rendon character where he was credited but we couldn't see him on screen... Could you check the 3 November 2016 episode and see if you can find Tina, Denise or Kim in the episode? I basically tick off the characters credited online as they appear, and I didn't see those three, but they were credited on screen! Kush made a very minor appearance, so it could have been something similar. But I've rewatched some and not seen them, especially in the one scene Vincent appears in talking to Jack about Kim's theory test. I don't want to count them if they weren't in the episode. Thanks. anemone projectors 09:42, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Sure I will take a look thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:35, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: You are absolutely right Tina, Denise and Kim are not present. I also have noticed that Jerome who works at the arches appeared see below image but you cannot see his head but he has a different colour overalls to Ethan. Jerome's is navy blue were as Ethan's is grey. http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/eastenders/images/e/e3/Jerome_%283_November_2016%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161105171145
I suspect its maybe because the pre wedding episode (Thursday) and wedding day episode (Friday) scenes might not have been record consecutively and they just copied and pasted the cast for both episodes and only took into account guest cast. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:30, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I mentioned this to iPlayer and they contacted EE who confirmed that they were add in error and have apologised for any inconvenience.
The credits have since been corrected on the website.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b081vmx1/credits
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:59, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: have you kept any notes, if so the BBC might fix them. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:20, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Yeah here's a list of times I noticed a character was credited online but didn't appear.
Character | Actor | Date |
---|---|---|
Amy Mitchell | Abbie Knowles | 14/03/2016 |
Paramedic | Melissa Dean | 14/03/2016 (Note: another paramedic appeared the next day uncredited, don't know if it was her) |
Dr Rhys Thomas | Daniel Llewelyn-Williams | 14/03/2016 |
Jack Branning | Scott Maslen | 17/03/2016 part 1 |
Shirley Carter | Linda Henry | 11/04/2016 |
Paul Coker | Jonny Labey | 12/04/2016 |
Billy Mitchell | Perry Fenwick | 12/04/2016 |
Linford Short | Leon Lopez | 12/04/2016 |
Kathy Sullivan | Gillian Taylforth | 14/04/2016 |
Jack Branning | Scott Maslen | 15/04/2016 |
Abi Branning | Lorna Fitzgerald | 15/04/2016 |
Linford Short | Leon Lopez | 22/04/2016 |
Jay Brown | Jamie Borthwick | 28/04/2016 |
Les Coker | Roger Sloman | 20/05/2016 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 20/05/2016 |
Steven Beale | Aaron Sidwell | 24/06/2016 |
Lauren Branning | Jacqueline Jossa | 24/06/2016 |
Kush Kazemi | Davood Ghadami | 12/07/2016 |
Donna Yates | Lisa Hammond | 12/07/2016 |
Linda Carter | Kellie Bright | 08/09/2016 |
Ronnie Mitchell | Samantha Womack | 30/09/2016 |
Mike Rendon | Bailey Patrick | 17/10/2016 |
Martin Fowler | James Bye | 01/11/2016 |
Stacey Fowler | Lacey Turner | 01/11/2016 |
Carmel Kazemi | Bonnie Langford | 01/11/2016 |
Kush Kazemi | Davood Ghadami | 01/11/2016 |
Honey Mitchell | Emma Barton | 01/11/2016 |
Roxy Mitchell | Rita Simons | 01/11/2016 |
Kyle Slater | Riley Carter Millington | 14/11/2016 |
Bex Fowler | Jasmine Armfield | 14/11/2016 |
Shirley Carter | Linda Henry | 14/11/2016 |
Tina Carter | Luisa Bradshaw-White | 14/11/2016 |
Sylvie Carter | Linda Marlowe | 14/11/2016 |
I keep this because the way I do the character count list is from an Excel spreadsheet, so I copy every cast list into a massive table and another table calculates the numbers which I then sort by regular or guest, number and alphabetically by last name, and I just copy that into the page each time... but I have to check the first table during every episode to make sure nobody was missing from the episode or in the episode but not credited online. I can also do a list of times characters weren't credited online but appeared in the episode, though I think most of those get updated online later. I noticed Tiffany and Morgan were credited online after that episode aired, but not before it. anemone projectors 20:43, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
And here's a table of times someone wasn't credited online (at first) but appeared in the epsiode. Mostly to keep it a secret - and sometimes they weren't credited on screen either but I have notes for that in the 2016 list already (e.g Aaron Sidwell, Jamie Borthwick, Pam St. Clement).
Character | Actor | Date |
---|---|---|
Jack Branning | Scott Maslen | 01/01/2016 part 1 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 01/01/2016 part 2 |
Lucas Johnson | Don Gilet | 01/01/2016 part 2 |
Jack Branning | Scott Maslen | 01/01/2016 part 2 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 01/01/2016 part 2 |
Dean Wicks | Matt Di Angelo | 04/01/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 04/01/2016 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 04/01/2016 |
Belinda Peacock | Carli Norris | 11/01/2016 |
Peggy Mitchell | Barbara Windsor | 15/01/2016 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 22/01/2016 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 25/01/2016 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 26/01/2016 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 28/01/16 part 1 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 11/02/2016 |
Martin Fowler | James Bye | 23/02/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Patrick Trueman | Rudolph Walker | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Libby Fox | Belinda Owusu | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Denise Fox | Diane Parish | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Lucas Johnson | Don Gilet | 10/03/16 part 2 |
JJ Johnson | Zayden Kareem | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Linford Short | Leon Lopez | 10/03/16 part 2 |
Margaret Midhurst | Jan Harvey | 14/03/2016 |
Gavin Sullivan | Paul Nicholas | 14/03/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 15/03/2016 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 15/03/2016 |
JJ Johnson | Zayden Kareem | 15/03/2016 |
Patrick Trueman | Rudolph Walker | 15/03/2016 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 15/03/2016 |
Denise Fox | Diane Parish | 15/03/2016 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 17/03/16 part 1 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 17/03/16 part 1 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 17/03/16 part 1 |
Patrick Trueman | Rudolph Walker | 17/03/16 part 1 |
Linford Short | Leon Lopez | 17/03/16 part 1 |
Patrick Trueman | Rudolph Walker | 17/03/16 part 2 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 17/03/16 part 2 |
Vincent Hubbard | Richard Blackwood | 17/03/16 part 2 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 17/03/16 part 2 |
Denise Fox | Diane Parish | 21/03/2016 |
Denise Fox | Diane Parish | 24/03/2016 |
Denise Fox | Diane Parish | 25/03/2016 |
Kim Fox-Hubbard | Tameka Empson | 25/03/2016 |
JJ Johnson | Zayden Kareem | 25/03/2016 |
Lorna Cartwright | Janet Dibley | 04/04/2016 |
Ronnie Mitchell | Samantha Womack | 22/04/2016 |
Jack Branning | Scott Maslen | 22/04/2016 |
Linzi Bragg | Amy-Leigh Hickman | 25/04/2016 |
Thelma Bragg | Lorraine Stanley | 25/04/2016 |
Linzi Bragg | Amy-Leigh Hickman | 26/04/2016 |
Thelma Bragg | Lorraine Stanley | 26/04/2016 |
DC Vanessa Jenkins | Caroline Faber | 26/04/2016 |
DC Sally Booth | Sanchia McCormack | 26/04/2016 |
Clerk of the Court | Suzette Llewellyn | 27/04/2016 |
Judge Lionel Hale | Patrick Pearson | 27/04/2016 |
Ritchie Scott | Sian Webber | 27/04/2016 |
Rodney Bragg | Rhys Yates | 27/04/2016 |
Thelma Bragg | Lorraine Stanley | 27/04/2016 |
Linzi Bragg | Amy-Leigh Hickman | 27/04/2016 |
DC Sally Booth | Sanchia McCormack | 27/04/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 28/04/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 05/05/2016 |
Grant Mitchell | Ross Kemp | 13/05/2016 |
Pat Butcher | Pam St. Clement | 17/05/2016 |
Lauren Branning | Jacqueline Jossa | 27/05/2016 |
Gavin Sullivan | Paul Nicholas | 27/05/2016 |
Steven Beale | Aaron Sidwell | 06/06/2016 |
Steven Beale | Aaron Sidwell | 07/06/2016 |
Max Branning | Jake Wood | 09/06/2016 |
Steven Beale | Aaron Sidwell | 09/06/2016 |
Steven Beale | Aaron Sidwell | 10/06/2016 |
Grant Mitchell | Ross Kemp | 04/07/2016 |
Jay Brown | Jamie Borthwick | 05/07/2016 |
Kathy Sullivan | Gillian Taylforth | 11/07/2016 |
Andrew 'Buster' Briggs | Karl Howman | 11/07/2016 |
Sharon Mitchell | Letitia Dean | 11/07/2016 |
Kathy Sullivan | Gillian Taylforth | 12/07/2016 |
Andrew 'Buster' Briggs | Karl Howman | 12/07/2016 |
Sharon Mitchell | Letitia Dean | 15/07/2016 |
Andrew 'Buster' Briggs | Karl Howman | 15/07/2016 |
Kathy Sullivan | Gillian Taylforth | 15/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 19/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 21/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 22/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 25/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 26/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 26/07/2016 |
Ben Mitchell | Harry Reid | 28/07/2016 |
Abi Branning | Lorna Fitzgerald | 29/07/2016 |
Courtney Mitchell | Alice Nokes | 04/08/2016 |
Courtney Mitchell | Alice Nokes | 05/08/2016 |
Courtney Mitchell | Alice Nokes | 08/08/2016 |
Mark Fowler | Ned Porteous | 11/08/2016 |
Courtney Mitchell | Alice Nokes | 11/08/2016 |
Mark Fowler | Ned Porteous | 12/08/2016 |
Mark Fowler | Ned Porteous | 18/08/2016 |
Mark Fowler | Ned Porteous | 22/08/2016 |
Mark Fowler | Ned Porteous | 23/08/2016 |
Ryan Malloy | Neil McDermott | 20/09/2016 |
Claudette Hubbard | Ellen Thomas | 29/09/2016 |
Patrick Trueman | Rudolph Walker | 30/09/2016 |
Jay Brown | Jamie Borthwick | 13/10/2016 |
Jay Brown | Jamie Borthwick | 14/10/2016 |
Tiffany Butcher | Maisie Smith | 03/11/2016 |
Morgan Butcher | Devon Higgs | 03/11/2016 |
anemone projectors 20:51, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Wow you keep detailed notes. It's worrying when you can't trust both the on screen and website credits. I thinks it's unlikely the BBC would go back and make that many changes. Maybe the EE team would be better using the script to find the credits. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:02, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Another one, in last night's episode I can see no sign of Kim or Vincent, yet they were credited on screen. I've double checked all the market, Queen Vic and café scenes and can't see them at all. Any chance you could double check as well? Thanks anemone projectors 09:38, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Will do thanks, I will check Monday 21 November and come back to you Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:21, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Yeah both Kim and Vincent did not appear. maybe we should re-name this section incorrect credits. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:48, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: The BBC have fixed 21 November 2016 credit page http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08442m7/credits
Their response was:
"We raised the fault with relevant team who after investigation fixed the fault with credits of 21 November of ‘EastEnders’ on the programme page.
However, the episode itself will not be corrected as the content would have to be revoked, edited and re-uploaded/transcoded at significant expense. It will remain incorrect on the video file until the end of its availability window."
I have also note the date in bold in the relevant section of this thread to make it easier to find specific dates. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:22, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: Another one where I couldn't spot some characters that were credited on screen! In 2 December I didn't see Donna or Kush (I also didn't see Ben or Jay but then on checking I found them in background scenes, so maybe Donna and Kush did appear), and on 5 December I didn't see Bex. I know it's annoying having to rewatch scenes but could you check for me in case they're there and I can't find them? anemone projectors 09:44, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Will do, thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ Kelvin 101: I've looked and looked for Jack in this episode but can't see him, can you? anemone projectors 09:56, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Nope I can't see him either, not sure what is going on with all these errors. Imagine if someone did an audit for all the episode credits for the past 30 years. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:The BBC have fixing the credits for 9 December 2016 and have made changes so hopeful the credits will alway be accurate.
"I understand you contacted us to let us know that the credits for the 'EastEnders' episode broadcast on 9th December 2016 incorrectly credited the character Jack Branning, who did not appear in this episode.
We passed this on to our BBC iPlayer Curation Team, and they have now removed Jack Branning from the list of characters credited for this episode of 'EastEnders':
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08502l3/credits
There had been an on-going problem wherein the team supplying credits to the programme page for BBC iPlayer were not working to final edits, and so may have been crediting characters or actors who were scheduled in advance to appear in an episode but who may have been edited out of the programme before broadcast. There is now a new system in place to avoid this inconsistency."
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:50, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Dermot Haynes and Marcus Greaves-Smith seem to missing from the website credits but appear on the onscreen credits.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:46, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: This episode included one scene in the Vic with many characters in the background, but I couldn't see Billy, Ben or Whitney. I don't think it's necessarily incorrect credits as they were probably on the set at the time but the camera just never spotted them - do you think they should be removed or left in? anemone projectors 10:52, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: I had a quick look
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:52, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Mick's voice was heard on the phone to Shirley but Dyer was uncredited. When Linda and Sharon have been heard on the phone they have been credited. Listening to what Mick was saying, I'm wondering if it was put together from previously recorded Mick scenes and therefore is essentially archive footage and shouldn't be counted. I'm sure I heard him say those things before. What are everyone's thoughts? anemone projectors 10:29, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Linda calls Johnny so Whitney and Jonny can wish Ollie Happy Birthday and talk about the new kitchen (8 May 2017).
Mick argues with Linda about selling the pubs land without his knowledge (23 May 2017). Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Mick calls and Woody answers the phone but Johnny takes it from him and tell Mick that Woody is just a temp. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Credits included Honey, Karen, Janet and Will, but I didn't spot them. Did they appear? — anemone projectors 08:04, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234 and Kelvin 101: This episode had 4 uncredited voice appearances - Chatham, Riley, Mick and Linda - which I will add. But Kathy was credited and I failed to spot her. Was it another hidden away in the background scene? — anemone projectors 08:23, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi just checked Kathy is seen in the background at 07.44 when Martin and Michelle are talking about Stacey's appointment, Kathy is bringing food to a customer's table. Thank goodness for the video scrubber.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:24, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234 and Kelvin 101: At 27m 22s Dot makes a toast to Abi in the Vic, and several characters are seen in this small scene, some who didn't appear elsewhere in the episode. I spotted Honey, Billy, Ted and Joyce, as well as Carmel and Michelle, but I didn't see Karen, Keegan or Shakil. There is someone sitting to the right of the screen whose face cannot be seen, this could be Keegan, so I would assume that Karen and Shakil were also sitting there, though technically weren't seen on screen. Question 1 - did they actually appear in the episode anywhere? Question 2 - if not should they be left in? As everyone toasted "To Abi", it could still count as a voice-only appearance. iPlayer link — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 18:22, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Any sign of Keegan in that episode? — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 08:54, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234:
I'm looking for Mo in this episode https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bqmkts/eastenders-30102018 but I didn't see her... she's credited though. — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 10:43, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I usually checked the year list against Drama credits and if it doesn't match I pulled out the original BBC1 recording and cross reference them. There have been occasions when they don't match because the episode has been cut from the omnibus edition or the previous episode credits. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:31, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Hi yeah a have some of the older episodes not as great quality VHS but there are original broadcasts.
If we take your example 23 April 1987
so BBC Genome can be wrong sometimes but also can the first 10 years the only real source is the original broadcast. I don't believe the directors were listed in the Radio Times in the early days. I was fascinated to learn reading your note that "Julia Honour" isn't a real person.
Speaking of which Julia Honour is listed as the writer of 21 August 2007 on Genome, IMDB and EE Website but I found a script picture showing it to be Chris Reason.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:47, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:Yeah I have not had the videos long. 30 December 1986 is a bit tricky it appears to be a the original 30 minute episode but on the credits doesn't look right, it looks like the credits have been edited in from an Omnibus edition to give the illusion of the full episode.
More research is needed, I will try and compare this with Drama's.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:39, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
@
AnemoneProjectors: I have checked 30 October 1986 with the 2 November 1986 Omnibus and the credits are identical. But we do have other sources to go on, 30 December 1986 looks right. I am confident these are right. Thanks
Kelvin 101 (
talk)
20:12, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:I am a bit confused about 18 + 20 August 1987 as BBC Genome says
Michael Robartes wrote 18 August and Tony McHale wrote 20 August
but the first 10 years Tony McHale wrote 18 August and
Michael Robartes wrote 20 August (football match with Julia's theme)
Thanks
Kelvin 101 (
talk)
13:11, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 13:26, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Not sure if Soaper is still around... but wondered if you can help find Bobby Beale in this episode, he was credited but I couldn't find him. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0009679/eastenders-07102019 Thanks! — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 17:54, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Can anyone see DI Steve Thompson on 6 February 2020?
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:57, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi hope you are both well, Can anyone see DI Steve Thompson on 19 May 2020. It might be I missed him but this did happen with the credits last time 6 February 2020. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:21, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234 and Kelvin 101: I know I said I wasn't worried about missing characters anymore as there is no character count but this one is weird because I didn't see Mick, Tina, Whitney, Sonia or Ollie in this episode and they were all credited. I'm thinking perhaps a scene was cut... or am I being totally blind? And yes I am that far behind but I'm desperately trying to catch up now :-) — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 11:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I wanted to check the director of this episode, as, according to the 2008 list, Paul Annett directed 2.5 hours of content while Michael Owen Morris only directed 1.5 hours - they're normally done in blocks of 4 episodes (2 hours) so it looks like Morris should be the director, not Annett. Sadly the official website didn't give directors back then. It does say that that Carey Andrews was the writer, the official site has Carey Andrews as writing many episodes in that period so is definitely wrong. So just want a check on the director. I'm working on June 2008 at the moment. anemone projectors 21:56, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi well spotted you are right the Monday 16th June episode must have been moved to Sunday 15th June due to the football. I think because in Genome its said on Wednesday 11 June This week's episodes directed by Paul Annett. I must have thought Sunday was included in that week. http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=1&mf=6&mt=6&order=asc&q=EastEnders&svc=9371541&tf=17%3A00&yf=2008&yt=2008#search
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:24, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi @ Kelvin 101: in some of the earlier lists, opening paragraphs for the list of episodes sections need to say where credits came from - which I think is Genome and the book you got with the list at the back. If so, can you confirm that the book is EastEnders: The First 10 Years: A Celebration by Colin Brake, published 1994 by BBC Books ( ISBN 978-0-563-37057-4)? If so I will add it to the lists up to, was it 1994? Are there any other sources you used to get credits, other than Genome, the official website or IMDb? Thanks. anemone projectors 17:05, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi @ AnemoneProjectors: sorry for late reply for earlier years 1985-1994 the first 10 years and 1985-2009 Genome but mainly Genome and 2008 onwards the EE site. But they aren't without conflicting/missing information. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:01, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: We usually note that there is no EastEnders episode due to Comic Relief or Children in Need. Do you think its worth noting also if the feature in the show. I know we have separate listings for Whitney Story and The Ghosts of Ian Beale but is it worth noting if the cast did a dance melody, something like this.
There was no episode on 18 November due to the live Children in Need 2016 telethon. However the cast did perform dance homages to 80s movie hits.<ref>{{cite web|title=EastEnders: Whitney and Lee's Dirty Dancing stuns Children in Need viewers|url=http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-11-19/eastenders-whitney-and-lees-dirty-dancing-stuns-children-in-need-viewers|publisher=[[Radio Times]]|accessdate=21 November 2016}}</ref>
Not sure if this is over kill or if it would be better noted somewhere elsewhere. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:41, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
I've done 1985 and 1986, but citations are needed for 1987-1992, for whoever wants to do it! Thanks :-) anemone projectors 12:48, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Genome citations for 1987-1992 are now done thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:38, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi, hope you're well. I'm trying to make my way through the casts as quick as I can (work has been quite pressing as of late). I am aware that where we place people within the cast section varies. For example, on the 2008 page I would have included Madeline Duggan in the recurring cast, but you put her in the regular cast. If possible, would you be able to look at the placings after I've done it, in case you feel they deserve a different position or alternatively, if you had a 'set rule' for cast members, I could follow that instead? Thanks, Soaper1234 ( talk) 22:23, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234: Great work on the cast lists. I have a quick question - I noticed on the 1995 list and others that it says "In 1995, the character was also credited as Ruth Aitken", for example. Ruth married Mark in 1995, but do you think she should be listed as Ruth Aitken, also credited as Ruth Fowler (and the same for other characters)?. Beacuse she starts off as Aitken and becomes Fowler... same as in 2016 with Stacey, she starts as a Branning and becomes a Fowler (but in 2017 I'll list her as Stacey Fowler). I'd do that even if the article was titled Stacey Fowler. Does this make sense?! anemone projectors 13:02, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234: Hi, I just decided to read your cast description for 1993, which looks good. I just wanted to point out that the character Billie Jackson was known as Billy Jackson until his 2010 reintroduction, so in the cast lists and descriptions for 1993–97 and 2004, we should call him Billy, not Billie. I've changed it in 1993. But because Billy Mitchell was also around in 2004, we will need to be careful not to confuse the two in that year, if there is any opportunity to do so. This happened in 2016 with Linda Carter and Linda Clarke and though they crossed paths, I fortunately didn't need to write about it and avoided confusion! anemone projectors 08:22, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Sigh, it's that subject again! @ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: I wondered what you guys thought about moving the three World Cup specials out of the supplemental section and into the main list, as they are similar to the two Comic Relief specials, were broadcast on BBC One, one was part of another programme like the Comic Relief ones, and as far as I can tell, they were part of the ongoing story (correct me if I'm wrong about that). If we decide to do this, we would number them 1638A, 1638B and 1638C. But if they do stand alone, and aren't part of the ongoing story, we can leave them as they are. Your thoughts? anemone projectors 15:59, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I just noticed that "Dot's Story" and "Perfectly Frank" are part of a series officially known as "EastEnders Bubbles" - Dot's Story - Perfectly Frank. However, I Googled the phrase and can't see any evidence that any of the other spin-offs are officially called "EastEnders Bubbles", so I don't know what to do with this information. Any thoughts? anemone projectors 17:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: What do you two think about using this logo in each infobox? It's free to use because it's considered that as a logo with "simple geometric shapes or text does, it not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain." Otherwise there would be no image in the infoboxes. I think the original plan may have been to use the screenshot logo from the time (because in some pages this logo is commented out), but I think that would be fair-use overuse as each image would be used in several articles. anemone projectors 18:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: It's a great idea as I was thinking of suggesting adding yearly cast pictures in the infoboxes but this logo would get around the whole copyright/fair use problem. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:11, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I noticed you put the logo on 1985-1987, do you mind if I start the rest. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
I can't remember if I've already said this (but I can't spot a discussion) - are we able to source the first and last episode dates of each producer? For example, in 1989 it says "Mike Gibbon continued his role as executive producer until Michael Ferguson took over the role" but I'd like something like "Until [month], each episode was executively produced by Mike Gibbon, who departed after [number of years]. Michael Ferguson took over the role and his first credited episode was broadcast on [date]", plus the note in each episode. @ Kelvin 101: Genome has this info? anemone projectors 19:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: I did try and make a table for each time an Executive producers changed on the on screen credits but some are a bit hard to find. Also Diederick Santer and Bryan Kirkwood both shared the Executive producer for two weeks in 2010. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:28, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
These are all of the Executive Producers:
Name | First episode | Last episode | Notes |
---|---|---|---|
Julia Smith | 1 February 1985 | 26 May 1988 | |
Mike Gibbon | 31 May 1988 | 1989 | |
Michael Ferguson | 1989 | 1991 | Last mentioned BBC Genome 21 June 1990 |
Leonard Lewis | 1991 | 1994 | First metnioned BBC Genome 11 January 1990 |
Helen Greaves | 1991 | 1992 | |
Barbara Emile | 1994 | 1995 | |
Corinne Hollingworth | 1995 | 1996 | |
Jane Harris | 9 July 1996 | 11 November 1997 | So confused ny IMDB |
Matthew Robinson | 11 July 1998 | 13 April 2000 | So confused ny IMDB |
John Yorke | 14 February 2000 | 28 June 2002 | Who is it from 1 July 2002 - 6 September 2002, So confused ny IMDB |
Louise Berridge | 9 September 2002 | 18 November 2004 | Who is it from 22 November 2004 to 17 December 2004, So confused ny IMDB |
Kathleen Hutchison | 20 December 2004 | 1 April 2005 | |
Kate Harwood | 4 April 2005 | 4 January 2007 | |
Diederick Santer | 5 January 2007 | 18 June 2010 (Shares the executive producer credit with Kirkwood for two weeks). |
|
Bryan Kirkwood | 4 June 2010 (Shares the executive producer credit with Santer for two weeks). |
13 July 2012 | |
Lorraine Newman | 16 July 2012 | 5 December 2013 | |
Dominic Treadwell-Collins | 9 December 2013 | 8 July 2016 | |
Sean O'Connor | 11 July 2016 | Present |
This is a list of Executive Producers only, and does not include this list of producers/series producers who were in charge of the making of EastEnders during their time on the show:
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:32, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Sorry, I know you're both probably really busy with Christmas and everything... but for me its a perfect time to do some checks. Earlier on there was a mention that episode 1 may have been named "Poor Old Reg" and at one point I saw a list where names had been given to several of the first episodes. I wondered if there's a way we could find any real evidence of this and if so, add the titles to the 1985 page. anemone projectors 19:41, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: We currently use footnotes with the the "lower-greek" group type, giving us footnotes with these type of labels:
However, I read that this isn't supported by Internet Explorer 7 or below. I have no idea if people still use those browsers but just in case, should we change? We could have:
anemone projectors 11:15, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: I just added Marsden's Video Diaries to 2009 and 2010, and I think we should add Lauren's Diaries to 2010, 2011 and 2012 (actually I think we should add them to Lauren's article). But should we add Tamwar Tales and The B&B? Are they supplemental episodes, or are they miniature spin-offs, like little EastEnders: E20s? anemone projectors 14:50, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
I think it does mention Tamwar Tales on one of these two articles.
What about the red button episode "Stacey and Janine (20 December 2010), Stacey and Ryan (23 December 2010), Max and Lauren wedding (24 December 2010)"
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:21, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Following the discussion at Talk:List of EastEnders characters, I wondered whether a cast photo could be possibly used in some of the earlier years where a cast changes gallery would not be suitable. Just an idea? Soaper1234 ( talk) 23:53, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi I remember a while ago, I saw a sandbox with Whitney storylines in it but I cannot seem to find it anymore, I am sure it was under the below category?
I remember editing the episode numbers on the article.
Any ideas?
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I was going to create a sandbox episode page for Episode 1 but I thought I would just check just incase you already created one in the past? Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:57, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi can I ask if in Recurring and guest cast sections on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2017) for example if all guest are listed for example some characters appeared in 9 March 2017 Part 2 "Dr Natasha Black, Jimmy Glover, DS Yasmin Khodeir, Luke Ayshford etc but aren't listed or do we wait for a final count? If I am wrong I do apologise Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:54, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Hope that makes sense. I wasn't sure about including Louie Beale because I haven't had a chance to mention him, and when working on 2016 I didn't add the babies and pets until I did. anemone projectors 16:27, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Would it make more sense to have these notes in the episode after the date in which the episode was supposed to air, rather than the episode before? I mention this because of the use of "was", suggesting something in the past. — RachelRice ( talk, contribs) — 01:12, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors, Soaper1234, and RachelRice: Hi anyone know who the owner of walford.net was reason I ask its went offline a while ago and wanted to ask them if we could use the plots they had all from 1985-2014.
I did manage to find some on the internet archive. Although they probably would need a re-write anyway to shorten them down for the episode guides.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:39, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234, RachelRice, and Kelvin 101: Hey guys, I wondered if someone could help with expanding the monthly section opening paragraphs in 2016 and 2017. 2016 is mostly ok but June needs more, September needs sources, and November needs anything. Also, I'd like to see the arrivals and departures of any main characters added to these sections - I did do some that were missing for 2016 a while ago but there are more. For 2017 I've only done January and a small amount for February. I've been so busy that I've found these sections harder to keep up to date, especially when I'm sometimes a week behind and trying to avoid spoilers (currently just 2 eps behind, I should be completely caught up by Friday morning if I fit in a single episode ever day (which is my usual)!) So any help in those areas would be greatly appreciated. 2015 also needs more (Rachel did a great job on what was there). 2014 and 2013 have some paragraphs too, so could do with more. I won't check any others right now! But basically for any year that currently has at least one paragraph, it would be nice to have them all completed, but any year that has none isn't a priority at this time. Thanks! anemone projectors 17:13, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi pages 34–37 cover the whole of 1985. Will try try and put a pictures up for you later. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 20:21, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
These are the years with the months and which pages they are on.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 23:36, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi I have came across something that may explain the two unaccounted for episodes (29 November 2002 and 25 December 2002 Part 2).
I got came across a picture of a script on eBay and was also send sent an old script as a present. (Ignore the transmission date as they were not precise due to be scheduled in advance but writer/director match)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30536759@N07/34926270166/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30536759@N07/34926270026/
I don't know if these ended up with one or two numbers in the end but it might be worth asking the written archive to check for us. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 14:33, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
But as they are shooting scripts I am not sure how different they are compared to the standard script.
I don't have any objections and do agree it's convincing and would fix the the list, it would also mean changing the character's appearances from November 2000. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:55, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101: I can't see the rating for this episode on BARB, but your draft cites BARB. Does the other reference in your draft confirm the rating or just its position in the top 100? — anemone projectors— 16:51, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Hi I believe on BARB it's just labeled as "EASTENDERS (SUN 2000". The other reference does indeed confirm the figure. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 12:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
As you may or may not have noticed, I've been working on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders supplemental episodes. I started going through all the clips I could find on the BBC website to update this but it seems that a lot of them are exclusive scenes rather than special episodes (though I think they should still be listed there, which is why I made a separate section for them). I'm considering if we should remove these exclusive scenes from the supplemental episodes sections in the year lists, and instead, go with something like this:
# | No. in year |
Original air date | Running time | Directed by | Written by | Viewers (millions) | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
4125 | 195 | 30 minutes | Tim Mercier | Jesse O'Mahoney | 11.42 | ||
This episode was followed by an exclusive 6-minute scene made available online, titled "Janine meets... Stacey!"[ref] |
That would reduce the number of supplemental episodes, but to me it sounds like the right thing to do - they're scenes not episodes, unlike things like "CivvyStreet" and "Dorothy Branning: The Next Chapter". But Lauren's Diaries, Marsden's Video Diaries, etc, would still count as supplemental episodes. — anemone projectors— 11:32, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Kelvin 101: I don't know if this throws anything out of balance for your episode numbering but the 2508th episode (actually broadcast on 29 April 2003) was listed twice in the 2003 list, which knocked everything forward an episode. I'm changing it now so it adds up but does this mean everything else needs changing too? Soaper1234 - talk 09:52, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Just wondering something - since {{ Episode list}} says the viewing figure should be the "final" number, should we add the BBC One rating to the BBC Three/W rating? BARB ratings for BBC3 start at 16 May 2005, so that's a lot. So we might decide not to do it. Also not every episode will have made the top 10 for BBC3 or W so it wouldn't be consistent and if possible I like to be consistent - I'd hate to have to add loads of notes if we don't have to! Example: 23 January 2012 had 9,743,000 viewers on BBC One, and 703,000 on BBC Three, making a total of 10,446,000. However, a week like 7 September 2015 only had 2 episodes rated in BBC3's top 10, and quite often EE doesn't rate in W's top 10 at all. Any thoughts? — anemone projectors 23:01, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors:When it says the final are you sure it just means to use the final figure after the 28 days and not the overnight figure. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 00:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi just to confirm do you prefer precise or rounded runtimes or even both on Supplemental episodes?
On some pages such as the below the runtimes are round and precise
User:AnemoneProjectors/List_of_EastEnders_episodes_(2013)#Supplemental_episodes
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:13, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: I think we should consider moving the remaining specials to their public pages.
I am surprised we managed to find that much information about the specials, particularly regarding Perfectly Frank. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:59, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi AnemoneProjectors and Kelvin 101. Hope you are both well. Following news of Mel's return, which is scheduled for 2018, I have created a draft for 2018 episodes. I kept in your name AP and I hope you both don't mind. Thank you, Soaper1234 - talk 15:19, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Soaper1234: Sorry forgot to reply to your message looks good to me. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:14, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Not sure if it's worth noting this on the 2017 episode page about the stolen Christmas scripts, it seem to be reported by a number of news outlets
but I am confused because if you look at the daily mail picture of the script
you will see it references episode 5521-5524, which according to our list was broadcast 3 July 2017 to 7 July 2017?
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 21:27, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: iPlayer currently has a number of classic Christmas episodes available here, though I doubt I'll have time to watch them. But noticed a few things:
Does this mean that Genome has corrected some wrong information since we added it? If so, do you think we need to go through other episodes shown at different times or of different lengths just to make sure? Although I haven't watched the available episodes, I checked the end credits and didn't find anything wrong apart from 1998 has barely any credits at all, no writers or directors. However, unrelated to this article maybe the end credits might reveal some missing "other" characters for character lists. I didn't really look. — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 10:58, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: I don't know if you have Channel W but tonight the Spin-off Ricky and Bianca is on at 11pm and 11:40pm. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi @ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: I wondered if you had an opinion on this - in 2017 especially, the recurring and guest cast section is a mix of recurring, former regular and one-off characters and I wondered if you thought it might be a good idea to split it into two sections like this:
I just thought it might make things a little clearer, and would start it in 2018 as well, maybe 2016 too but any sections for other years that are smaller we could leave. Your thoughts? — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 13:07, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
That would eliminate the need for a footnote. As for recurring/guest, it's obvious for many, like Aunt Sal, Reverend Stevens, who have been appearing on and off for years, and then all the child characters who can't be considered regulars. Maybe for now keep recurring and guest together, separate former regulars? — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 10:55, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi I have been adding book reference for the below pages, can you please check that the book references have been resolved for all the below pages. Then all these notes can be removed and we are closer to moving all of them to the main space.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:17, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 17:51, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Hope you are both enjoying the festive season. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:25, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hi just in case you didn't see this article
Repeats of EE will begin in August on the Drama Channel. I am not sure if they will be in the single episode or omnibus format. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk)
I have been looking through The Times online archive 1985 for EastEnders articles, some of them maybe useful.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 22:03, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi some information that might be useful.
The Annual Report & Accounts 1986
BBC Annual Report & Accounts 1987/88
The Annual Report & Accounts 1990
The Annual Report & Accounts 1991
BBC Annual Review 1992
The Annual Report & Accounts 1992
Annual Report and Accounts 1998
Thanks
Kelvin 101 (
talk)
14:02, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: This might be useful: I found on iTunes four EastEnders box sets containing full episodes. I found these Christmas specials first, and then I launched iTunes and searched for more and found two sets of "iconic exits" and one set of "Kalfie" (Kat and Alfie) episodes. Could be added to the lists or any individual episode articles or drafts? — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 13:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
They are also available on Youtube and Amazon
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:46, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
EastEnders Digital Episodes Sets, discounted each set usually costs £14.99 now £4.99. If you buy all of them it would have cost £59.96 now its just £19.96 saving of £40. Not sure how long the discount is on.
Eastenders Iconic Exits - Part 1
Eastenders Iconic Exits - Part 2
Eastenders Kalfie
Eastenders Christmas Specials
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:30, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Following a discussion about this in relation to Casualty articles at
my talk page, it has come to my attention that character counts are not permitted per
MOS:TVCAST. In particular the rule states, The cast listing should not contain an episode count, e.g. (6 episodes) or (episodes 1–6), to indicate the number of episodes in which the actor or character appeared.
Will this affect the character counts in the episode lists or is there are a way around this?
Soaper1234 -
talk
17:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Should it be noted on 1989 page that the Prison Stories for Series Written by Bill Lyons and Tony Holland? I am not sure how you would list this as technically the Prison scenes were in most episodes up to 16 February 1989, when Den was released.
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:53, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Sorry for late reply, I have checked Prison scenes run from 13 September 1988 - 16 February 1989. I believe this is mentioned in the books 10 years/handbook. I do remember seeing them credited on screen for the prison scenes but I am not sure which episode they were credited on, I will have to check. Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 18:47, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 19:30, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
I was thinking a footnote, a bit like this:
# | No. in year | Original air date | Directed by | Written by | Viewers (millions) |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
419 | 12 | Terry Iland | Tony McHale / Bill Lyons and Tony Holland [1] | 19.96 |
References
But maybe a note in the shortsummary would be better since Lyons and Holland aren't actually credited as episode writers. I'm not really sure which is best. — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 21:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
# | No. in year | Original air date | Directed by | Written by | Viewers (millions) | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
419 | 12 | Terry Iland | Tony McHale | 19.96 | ||
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 08:46, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: Matthew Robinson has released part of the original scripts - https://walfordweb.com/things-found-at-the-bottom-of-a-cupboard-t355278.html - note that neither of them show a title. Should we take this to mean that "Poor Old Reg" is not the title of episode 1? — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 09:28, 8 July 2019 (UTC) (Remembering that Rob Gittins said that "Tony Holland, the original creator of EastEnders insisted that all the writers title their episode, despite that title never appearing on screen.") — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 09:30, 8 July 2019 (UTC) I shall link back to the section #Episode Names as a reminder. I probably should have posted this there but I was too lazy to find it. — 🌼📽️Anemone Projectors💬 09:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC) @ AnemoneProjectors:
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234:
Hi I just remembered that EastEnders episodes premiered on BBC Three for two weeks.Should these really be the actual broadcast dates.
Episode 2464-2471
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 16:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Hope you both had a good new year. I was contacted on Wikia by a moderator that the mention they have seen a post of a writer on twitter and the numbering doesn't match our system. Lee Saczak wrote Tuesday 5 January 2021, we have it down a Episode 6197 but his script says 6198.
See post https://twitter.com/LSaczak/status/1346530732760592385
I am not sure what has happened, after New Year Day episode it seems to have jumped three numbers instead of two?
Radio Times - 31 December 2020 (Episode 6193) https://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/mzyd5m/eastenders--episode-6193/
Radio Times - 1 January 2020 (Episode no number given) https://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/mz2w5f/eastenders--01012021/
Radio Times - 4 January 2020 (Episode 6197) https://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/m2g24x/eastenders--episode-6197/
Radio Times - 5 January 2020 (Episode 6198) https://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/m2k8fj/eastenders--episode-6198/
Thanks Kelvin 101 ( talk) 15:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)