-- Andreas Balart ( talk) 13:39, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
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Hello Andreas Balart, since Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of perspective, removing references to "Spanish" from articles related to Catalonia (such as wine regions, which is why I spotted your edits) looks like a kind of nationalist/regionalist "point of view" which is in general not appreciated. For all well-written wine region articles, we mention the country in which it is located already in the lead. I'm fairly certain that quite a lot of English-speaking readers don't know that (most of) Catalonia is in Spain, so this is one of those things that definitely have to be spelled out. You're of course very welcome to add to and improve articles, but please leave any nationalist/regionalist/whatever sentiments out of your editing. Regards, Tomas e ( talk) 13:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Dear Tomas e.
First of all, thank you for your kind observations.
In my humble opinion, re-arrangement of Alella wines as purely Catalan not only does not break Wikipedia's neutral point of perspective or shows any nationalist/regionalist/whatever sentiment but scupulously respects legislation on the matter.
Wine legislation in those wine-growing areas that fall entirely in the territory of one of Spain's 17 regions or nationalities are a completely devolved matter (the [ at the bottom of the page]actually leads you to a Catalonia's Official Gazzette issue whereby the Alella DO is created; by an act in council of the Catalan government, no less).
I'll be more than happy to share with you more material on this matter regarding other wine-growing regions in Catalonia
Quite another matter would be, for instance, portraying the "cava" region as a purely Catalan thing, since some areas in Extremadura and Rioja also produce cava, and therefore you need to take it in a Spanish, rather than purely Catalan, perspective. That's why I would never mention cava as a "Catalan" wine, but I would only refer the fact that most of it is being produced in Catalonia in the body text, and possibly the Spanish regions and nationalities where it is being produces in the data box.
Hope this helps on your nationalist/regionalist/whatever concerns. Looking forward collaborating with you.
Take good care --AB
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14:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Additionally, I would suggest starting a conversation on the Talk:Sparkling wine article about why you feel a separate article on Cava is warranted. Cava is already extensively discussed in both that article as well as the Catalan wine article where, in both cases, the extra context of the main article provides additional benefit to the reader then a single isolated article would offer. Considering that there is little tangible differences in all the sparkling wines of the world, there is little sense in having separate stub articles on each one. But again, if you feel that Cava deserves some special consideration then please start a discussion on the Talk:Sparkling wine rather than edit war. Agne Cheese/ Wine 14:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Andreas Balart ( talk) 15:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello Andreas. You moved Banyuls AOC to Banyuls (AOC). If you check around, you will find that all French AOCs which require the "AOC" part for disambiguation contains "AOC" instead of "(AOC)". There is consistency between the French AOC articles, but unfortunately not full consistency between wine appellations/regions between different countries, since the Spanish ones use "(DO)" in the name. However, lacking a global standard, it's better to have national consistency than a mixed system even within countries. If you want to make changes that would potentially affect the namings of hundreds of articles, this could mean that thousands of wikilinks have to be changed. In the long run, I hope we will achieve a common standard, but we're not there today, and it would be better to reach consensus first. Until that time, it's better to stick to have national consistency. Regards, Tomas e ( talk) 15:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Apologies for piling on, but I thought it would be worth pointing out/emphasising a few things about recent edits to wine and other articles. I wouldn't want this to be seen as an admonishment, since I'm in no better position than anyone else to give one (I'm just an ordinary editor like you), plus it's always a good thing to have other perspectives on issues. However, I do think you're pushing some "Catalan" points a bit far here. You should also be aware that even quite trivial-seeming nationalist/regionalist issues often eventually end up at one of Wikipedia's dispute resolution processes, often with unhappy consequences for those involved if administrators or ArbCom get involved, whether that's fair or not. At the end of the day content here has to follow mainstream, standard representation of things. Editors shouldn't be inserting content that attempts to rewrite any of that, however strongly they feel or however just their case may be for that. Anyway -
Anyway, apologies for the essay, but it's probably better to not immediately leap into making extensive changes to a large number of pages immediately after opening an account. Otherwise you'll end up just having many of your changes reverted, and potentially ending up in disputes that end with blocks and bans. Although, having said that, I assume you have been editing here for a while before opening this account? -- Nickhh ( talk) 10:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I reverted several of your moves and edits. This is English wikipedia, which uses the names most used in English. If that's the Catalan name, we use the Catalan name. If the French or Spanish name is the most used, we use that. The most surprising move I saw was Ibiza to Eivissa. Show me one English encyclopedia that uses the Catalan name for this island. Please don't continue this kind of moves, and read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names). Markussep Talk 17:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
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Apologies, but I've also listed this page for deletion (via a more formal process than the speedy deletion noted above, since there's more content to this page, and it's been here longer). I meant to do it a while ago, but kind of let it slip. You can comment here. -- Nickhh ( talk) 23:37, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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Hi! In regards to http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vueling_Airlines&diff=next&oldid=335981840
Andreas, when you see the address, that does not mean that the HQ is in the City of Barcelona. That's referring to Barcelona Province. The HQ is in El Prat de Llobregat. We must state exactly the city of the HQ. WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:21, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
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-- Andreas Balart ( talk) 13:39, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
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Hello Andreas Balart, since Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of perspective, removing references to "Spanish" from articles related to Catalonia (such as wine regions, which is why I spotted your edits) looks like a kind of nationalist/regionalist "point of view" which is in general not appreciated. For all well-written wine region articles, we mention the country in which it is located already in the lead. I'm fairly certain that quite a lot of English-speaking readers don't know that (most of) Catalonia is in Spain, so this is one of those things that definitely have to be spelled out. You're of course very welcome to add to and improve articles, but please leave any nationalist/regionalist/whatever sentiments out of your editing. Regards, Tomas e ( talk) 13:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Dear Tomas e.
First of all, thank you for your kind observations.
In my humble opinion, re-arrangement of Alella wines as purely Catalan not only does not break Wikipedia's neutral point of perspective or shows any nationalist/regionalist/whatever sentiment but scupulously respects legislation on the matter.
Wine legislation in those wine-growing areas that fall entirely in the territory of one of Spain's 17 regions or nationalities are a completely devolved matter (the [ at the bottom of the page]actually leads you to a Catalonia's Official Gazzette issue whereby the Alella DO is created; by an act in council of the Catalan government, no less).
I'll be more than happy to share with you more material on this matter regarding other wine-growing regions in Catalonia
Quite another matter would be, for instance, portraying the "cava" region as a purely Catalan thing, since some areas in Extremadura and Rioja also produce cava, and therefore you need to take it in a Spanish, rather than purely Catalan, perspective. That's why I would never mention cava as a "Catalan" wine, but I would only refer the fact that most of it is being produced in Catalonia in the body text, and possibly the Spanish regions and nationalities where it is being produces in the data box.
Hope this helps on your nationalist/regionalist/whatever concerns. Looking forward collaborating with you.
Take good care --AB
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Agne
Cheese/
Wine
14:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Additionally, I would suggest starting a conversation on the Talk:Sparkling wine article about why you feel a separate article on Cava is warranted. Cava is already extensively discussed in both that article as well as the Catalan wine article where, in both cases, the extra context of the main article provides additional benefit to the reader then a single isolated article would offer. Considering that there is little tangible differences in all the sparkling wines of the world, there is little sense in having separate stub articles on each one. But again, if you feel that Cava deserves some special consideration then please start a discussion on the Talk:Sparkling wine rather than edit war. Agne Cheese/ Wine 14:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Andreas Balart ( talk) 15:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello Andreas. You moved Banyuls AOC to Banyuls (AOC). If you check around, you will find that all French AOCs which require the "AOC" part for disambiguation contains "AOC" instead of "(AOC)". There is consistency between the French AOC articles, but unfortunately not full consistency between wine appellations/regions between different countries, since the Spanish ones use "(DO)" in the name. However, lacking a global standard, it's better to have national consistency than a mixed system even within countries. If you want to make changes that would potentially affect the namings of hundreds of articles, this could mean that thousands of wikilinks have to be changed. In the long run, I hope we will achieve a common standard, but we're not there today, and it would be better to reach consensus first. Until that time, it's better to stick to have national consistency. Regards, Tomas e ( talk) 15:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Apologies for piling on, but I thought it would be worth pointing out/emphasising a few things about recent edits to wine and other articles. I wouldn't want this to be seen as an admonishment, since I'm in no better position than anyone else to give one (I'm just an ordinary editor like you), plus it's always a good thing to have other perspectives on issues. However, I do think you're pushing some "Catalan" points a bit far here. You should also be aware that even quite trivial-seeming nationalist/regionalist issues often eventually end up at one of Wikipedia's dispute resolution processes, often with unhappy consequences for those involved if administrators or ArbCom get involved, whether that's fair or not. At the end of the day content here has to follow mainstream, standard representation of things. Editors shouldn't be inserting content that attempts to rewrite any of that, however strongly they feel or however just their case may be for that. Anyway -
Anyway, apologies for the essay, but it's probably better to not immediately leap into making extensive changes to a large number of pages immediately after opening an account. Otherwise you'll end up just having many of your changes reverted, and potentially ending up in disputes that end with blocks and bans. Although, having said that, I assume you have been editing here for a while before opening this account? -- Nickhh ( talk) 10:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I reverted several of your moves and edits. This is English wikipedia, which uses the names most used in English. If that's the Catalan name, we use the Catalan name. If the French or Spanish name is the most used, we use that. The most surprising move I saw was Ibiza to Eivissa. Show me one English encyclopedia that uses the Catalan name for this island. Please don't continue this kind of moves, and read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names). Markussep Talk 17:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
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Apologies, but I've also listed this page for deletion (via a more formal process than the speedy deletion noted above, since there's more content to this page, and it's been here longer). I meant to do it a while ago, but kind of let it slip. You can comment here. -- Nickhh ( talk) 23:37, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Alex Cruz de Llano requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, a rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content. You may wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.
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Hi! In regards to http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vueling_Airlines&diff=next&oldid=335981840
Andreas, when you see the address, that does not mean that the HQ is in the City of Barcelona. That's referring to Barcelona Province. The HQ is in El Prat de Llobregat. We must state exactly the city of the HQ. WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:21, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Jusdafax 22:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC) Note: The thread is titled 'User:Eva Grossjean'. Jusdafax 23:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
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