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First, thank you again for getting the RfC going. Likewise for commenting on actual policy at ANI.
I'd hope my edit summaries answer your question, but all I'm doing is trying out possible solutions in the context of the article. Sometimes I get so focused on a source, sentence, etc that I don't think enough about how it will work in the context of the article. Doing so made this solution appear.
Meanwhile, I agree that material under dispute in an RfC should not be moved or changed, other than removed if policy requires it. Of course, I think policy is on the side of removal until there's consensus for inclusion in BLPs where there are NOT/POV/etc concerns.
I hope this answers your question, and am happy to go into further detail. -- Ronz ( talk) 01:32, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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21:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)Anastrophe ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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I don't believe I violated 3RR, while the other user did. I'm not planning on making any changes to the article or article talk page in question until user Vnkd is back, so that we can work (hopefully) collaboratively. I'd appreciate not being blocked from the whole of wikipedia. Thanks. ADDITION: I was unaware of the 1RR in place on that article. I have no history of disruptive editing, I would hope that counts for something. Anastrophe ( talk) 21:33, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
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@ Bbb23: downgrade to partial block?-- Deep fried okra 22:16, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Here you go. I've saved you $1.50 (do they really cost that much)?-- Bbb23 ( talk) 00:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
So - to summarize, as my tendency to bloviate can cause drowsiness: I understand the block was for edit warring, and the block was justified for that reason. 1RR, 3RR, .0076RR are irrelevant to that overriding issue. I promise not to edit the article in question for at least a week - and then, not before some reasonable discussion has formed and consensus arisen. Hell, I probably won't edit the particular issue itself ever - I'm not invested in it. And, with all of that, I say we let the block run out on its already-set timeline. I'll live, trust me - no no, please, I know how to swim, there's room on the liferaft for the next chap who's gone overboard, I can tread water to shore.
This is what happens when I write immediate after having my morning coffee. Cheers. Anastrophe ( talk) 17:00, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Good Afternoon (At least if you are on the east coast of the United States). I had made some edits to the Skyscraper article, which according to this site you had reversed. I had intended to link the fact that there were plenty of large, commercial buildings in New York before Chicago had really taken to develop, and that a good segment of the population in New York believes that they are the first city to develop a skyscraper. I am not ignoring or disparaging the accomplishments the fine city of Chicago has made in the architectural sphere, especially developing the first steel-framed commercial building, and I have a deep respect for the city. I am simply saying that perhaps this added context would, with the existing sources of the E. V. Haughwout Building and the Equitable Life Building already developed as further research, be needed aspects to this important discussion.
-- Omnificent879 ( talk) 20:20, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Anastrophe = I didn't mean to revert anything you did - my apologies - but we edit conflicted. Forgive me? Will you go back and make them? Atsme Talk 📧 19:17, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
I tried to figure out when the buildings were built, and not the interferometer, but wasn't so sure on that. 1999 is fine with me. Gah4 ( talk) 07:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
How can we resolve the issues with "Queering the 19th Amendment"?
Last time you took it down you wrote:
"as a standalone section, it would require wider acknowledgement of these interpretations in other reliable sources."
I have provided "wider acknowledgement of these interpretations in other reliable sources"
Perhaps there are others who would agree with the inclusion of the text I contributed. There is other material in the article that have "has no direct relevance to the nineteenth amendment" but discuss the suffrage movement and specific suffragists. The material I have provided is no different. Please refrain from these vague rebuttals and help make this contribution possible.
Also, your response could have been made in a more timely manner. My text was posted uninterrupted for a couple days. "please discuss on talk page. While sources have been expanded, the larger problem is that this is meta-commentary on some of those involved in the suffrage movement; it has no direct relevance to the nineteenth amendment. It may be appropriate to the larger Suffrage article as well as the individual suffrage actors"
"Queering the suffrage movement"[edit | edit source]
“Queering the suffrage movement" is an effort actively underway in suffrage scholarly circles[1][2] Wendy Rouse writes, "Scholars have already begun ‘queering’ the history of the suffrage movement by deconstructing the dominant narrative that has focused on the stories of elite, white, upper-class suffragists.”[1] Susan Ware says, "To speak of 'queering the suffrage movement' is to identify it as a space where women felt free to express a wide range of gender non-conforming behaviors, including but not limited to sexual expression, in both public and private settings."[2] Suffragists challenged gendered dress and behavior publicly, e.g., Annie Tinker (1884-1924) and Dr. Margaret ‘Mike’ Chung (1889-1959); they also challenged gender norms privately in bi- or homosexual relationships, e.g., African-American activist, writer and organizer for the Congressional Union (later the National Woman’s Party), Alice Dunbar-Nelson (1835-1935).[1] “Boston Marriage” partners (women involved in intimate longterm relationships with other women) included Carrie Chapman Catt with Mary Garrett Hay, Jane Addams with Mary Rozet Smith, Gail Laughlin with Dr. Mary Austin Sperry.[1] Other known suffragist couples are Susan B. Anthony with Emily Gross, and National American Woman Suffrage Association president Dr. Anna Howard-Shaw with Susan B. Anthony's niece, Lucy Anthony[3]; Alice Stone Blackwell was "betrothed" to Kitty Barry.[2] Many leaders of the National Woman's Party co-habitated with other women involved in feminist politics: Alma Lutz and Marguerite Smith, Jeanette Marks and Mary Wooley, and Mabel Vernon and Consuelo Reyes.[4] There are also the significant same sex relationships of NAWSA first and second vice presidents Jane Addams and Sophonisba Breckenridge, respectively,[5] and the chronic close female friendships of Alice Paul.[6] "Outing" historic feminists is not the aim of "queering the suffrage movement," but identifying a broad range of gender identities within the suffrage movement attests to the diversity of those contributing to the cause.[2]
^ Jump up to: a b c d Rouse, Wendy. "The Very Queer History of the Suffrage Movement". 1920-2020 Women's Vote Centennial: the official site commemorating 100 years of women's right to vote. Retrieved August 18, 2020.
^ Jump up to: a b c d Ware, Susan (20019). Why They Marched: Untold Stories of the Women Who Fought for the Right to Vote. Cambridge, Massachusetts: The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press. p. 161. ISBN 9780674986688. Check date values in: |year= (help)
^ Salam, Maya (August 14, 2020). "How Queer Women Powered the Suffrage Movement". The New York Times. Retrieved August 18, 2020.
^ Lillian, Faderman (1999). To Believe in Women: What Lesbians Have Done for America--A History. New York, NY: Houghton Mifflin Company. p. 3. ISBN 039585010X.
^ Jabour, Anya (January 24, 2020). "When Lesbians Led the Women's Suffrage Movement". The Conversation: Academic rigor, journalistic flair. Retrieved August 20, 2020.
^ Rupp, Leila J. "'Imagine My Surprise': Women's Relationships in Historical Perspective". Frontiers: A Journal of Women Studies. Vol. 5, No. 3 Autumn 1980: 61–70 – via JSTOR.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by De Pisan ( talk • contribs) 17:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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First, thank you again for getting the RfC going. Likewise for commenting on actual policy at ANI.
I'd hope my edit summaries answer your question, but all I'm doing is trying out possible solutions in the context of the article. Sometimes I get so focused on a source, sentence, etc that I don't think enough about how it will work in the context of the article. Doing so made this solution appear.
Meanwhile, I agree that material under dispute in an RfC should not be moved or changed, other than removed if policy requires it. Of course, I think policy is on the side of removal until there's consensus for inclusion in BLPs where there are NOT/POV/etc concerns.
I hope this answers your question, and am happy to go into further detail. -- Ronz ( talk) 01:32, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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Bbb23 (
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21:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)Anastrophe ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I don't believe I violated 3RR, while the other user did. I'm not planning on making any changes to the article or article talk page in question until user Vnkd is back, so that we can work (hopefully) collaboratively. I'd appreciate not being blocked from the whole of wikipedia. Thanks. ADDITION: I was unaware of the 1RR in place on that article. I have no history of disruptive editing, I would hope that counts for something. Anastrophe ( talk) 21:33, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
It appears that your block has expired. SQL Query me! 00:20, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
@ Bbb23: downgrade to partial block?-- Deep fried okra 22:16, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Here you go. I've saved you $1.50 (do they really cost that much)?-- Bbb23 ( talk) 00:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
So - to summarize, as my tendency to bloviate can cause drowsiness: I understand the block was for edit warring, and the block was justified for that reason. 1RR, 3RR, .0076RR are irrelevant to that overriding issue. I promise not to edit the article in question for at least a week - and then, not before some reasonable discussion has formed and consensus arisen. Hell, I probably won't edit the particular issue itself ever - I'm not invested in it. And, with all of that, I say we let the block run out on its already-set timeline. I'll live, trust me - no no, please, I know how to swim, there's room on the liferaft for the next chap who's gone overboard, I can tread water to shore.
This is what happens when I write immediate after having my morning coffee. Cheers. Anastrophe ( talk) 17:00, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Good Afternoon (At least if you are on the east coast of the United States). I had made some edits to the Skyscraper article, which according to this site you had reversed. I had intended to link the fact that there were plenty of large, commercial buildings in New York before Chicago had really taken to develop, and that a good segment of the population in New York believes that they are the first city to develop a skyscraper. I am not ignoring or disparaging the accomplishments the fine city of Chicago has made in the architectural sphere, especially developing the first steel-framed commercial building, and I have a deep respect for the city. I am simply saying that perhaps this added context would, with the existing sources of the E. V. Haughwout Building and the Equitable Life Building already developed as further research, be needed aspects to this important discussion.
-- Omnificent879 ( talk) 20:20, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Anastrophe = I didn't mean to revert anything you did - my apologies - but we edit conflicted. Forgive me? Will you go back and make them? Atsme Talk 📧 19:17, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
I tried to figure out when the buildings were built, and not the interferometer, but wasn't so sure on that. 1999 is fine with me. Gah4 ( talk) 07:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
How can we resolve the issues with "Queering the 19th Amendment"?
Last time you took it down you wrote:
"as a standalone section, it would require wider acknowledgement of these interpretations in other reliable sources."
I have provided "wider acknowledgement of these interpretations in other reliable sources"
Perhaps there are others who would agree with the inclusion of the text I contributed. There is other material in the article that have "has no direct relevance to the nineteenth amendment" but discuss the suffrage movement and specific suffragists. The material I have provided is no different. Please refrain from these vague rebuttals and help make this contribution possible.
Also, your response could have been made in a more timely manner. My text was posted uninterrupted for a couple days. "please discuss on talk page. While sources have been expanded, the larger problem is that this is meta-commentary on some of those involved in the suffrage movement; it has no direct relevance to the nineteenth amendment. It may be appropriate to the larger Suffrage article as well as the individual suffrage actors"
"Queering the suffrage movement"[edit | edit source]
“Queering the suffrage movement" is an effort actively underway in suffrage scholarly circles[1][2] Wendy Rouse writes, "Scholars have already begun ‘queering’ the history of the suffrage movement by deconstructing the dominant narrative that has focused on the stories of elite, white, upper-class suffragists.”[1] Susan Ware says, "To speak of 'queering the suffrage movement' is to identify it as a space where women felt free to express a wide range of gender non-conforming behaviors, including but not limited to sexual expression, in both public and private settings."[2] Suffragists challenged gendered dress and behavior publicly, e.g., Annie Tinker (1884-1924) and Dr. Margaret ‘Mike’ Chung (1889-1959); they also challenged gender norms privately in bi- or homosexual relationships, e.g., African-American activist, writer and organizer for the Congressional Union (later the National Woman’s Party), Alice Dunbar-Nelson (1835-1935).[1] “Boston Marriage” partners (women involved in intimate longterm relationships with other women) included Carrie Chapman Catt with Mary Garrett Hay, Jane Addams with Mary Rozet Smith, Gail Laughlin with Dr. Mary Austin Sperry.[1] Other known suffragist couples are Susan B. Anthony with Emily Gross, and National American Woman Suffrage Association president Dr. Anna Howard-Shaw with Susan B. Anthony's niece, Lucy Anthony[3]; Alice Stone Blackwell was "betrothed" to Kitty Barry.[2] Many leaders of the National Woman's Party co-habitated with other women involved in feminist politics: Alma Lutz and Marguerite Smith, Jeanette Marks and Mary Wooley, and Mabel Vernon and Consuelo Reyes.[4] There are also the significant same sex relationships of NAWSA first and second vice presidents Jane Addams and Sophonisba Breckenridge, respectively,[5] and the chronic close female friendships of Alice Paul.[6] "Outing" historic feminists is not the aim of "queering the suffrage movement," but identifying a broad range of gender identities within the suffrage movement attests to the diversity of those contributing to the cause.[2]
^ Jump up to: a b c d Rouse, Wendy. "The Very Queer History of the Suffrage Movement". 1920-2020 Women's Vote Centennial: the official site commemorating 100 years of women's right to vote. Retrieved August 18, 2020.
^ Jump up to: a b c d Ware, Susan (20019). Why They Marched: Untold Stories of the Women Who Fought for the Right to Vote. Cambridge, Massachusetts: The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press. p. 161. ISBN 9780674986688. Check date values in: |year= (help)
^ Salam, Maya (August 14, 2020). "How Queer Women Powered the Suffrage Movement". The New York Times. Retrieved August 18, 2020.
^ Lillian, Faderman (1999). To Believe in Women: What Lesbians Have Done for America--A History. New York, NY: Houghton Mifflin Company. p. 3. ISBN 039585010X.
^ Jabour, Anya (January 24, 2020). "When Lesbians Led the Women's Suffrage Movement". The Conversation: Academic rigor, journalistic flair. Retrieved August 20, 2020.
^ Rupp, Leila J. "'Imagine My Surprise': Women's Relationships in Historical Perspective". Frontiers: A Journal of Women Studies. Vol. 5, No. 3 Autumn 1980: 61–70 – via JSTOR.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by De Pisan ( talk • contribs) 17:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)