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From [1]: "The ship class was named after the Imperator in the Mandel blueprints of 1978, long before the present generation of references. With the exception of a few modest references in LucasArts games, the first-wave references have been unreasonably ignored by newer works, despite being generally just as accurate. The Mandel plans definitely precede the recent "Imperial-class" referencing. " "... the common mile-long destroyer known to the forces of the Galactic Empire as the Imperator-class star destroyer, and colloquially known as Imperial star destroyer to rebel operatives." -- Golbez 19:26, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)
Alyeska:
Greetings! Thanks for your note and for pointing this out. This count varies according to who you connect with, what has been observed (and not) in the TNG movies, and on production diagrams of the ship from the powers that be. OK: I've made editions that I thought were correct. Let's recap:
Original version - 5 launchers total, comprised of: 1 forward (quantum torpedo) launcher, ventral saucer (near Captain's Yacht) 2 forward launchers, ventral engineering hull (near navigational deflector) 2 aft launchers, ventral engineering hull (on aft hull undercut)
Refitted version - 10 launchers total, comprised of above launchers and: 1 forward launcher, dorsal saucer (near deck 3/4) 2 aft launchers, dorsal saucer (near aft docking port) 1 aft launcher, dorsal engineering hull (above shuttlebay) 1 aft launcher, ventral engineering hull (below shuttlebay)
Not all of these are observed firing but are either noted on production diagrams or can be observed on the ship if you look closely. I previously included the quantum torpedo launcher with all of them and then totalled badly ... oops! So, I've changed the page to reflect the above noted count. Let me know if you've any questions. Thanks again!
Alyeska:
Hi there; thanks for your reply and clarifications. Actually, I think you and I are on the same page but use different terminology:
I did not note the forward launcher on production diagrams near the transporter emitters on the saucer dorsal, since this is not observed (or at leas clearly) when closely inspecting the Nemesis DVD.
I believe the only divergence of opinion you and I really have concerns only one launcher: the aft (ventral) launcher on the structure underneath the lower shuttlebay. 'Refit' diagrams indicate the launcher is there and I believe it can be observed on close inspection of the movie: refer to scenes in the DVD when (1) the Enterprise-E arrives at Kolarus III near the beginning, and (2) one of the final scenes when the ship is in spacedock being repaired.
As well, be careful about referencing or characterising edits which are as valid as yours as 'screwing' with them; who are you again?
If you think differently, feel free to indicate. Thanks again for your review.
Anthony
Alyeska:
Hi there! Thanks for your reply. The aft launcher of note, if indeed it is one!, is likely smaller because it is single and largely within the frame/structure of the ship. I would think it similar to the forward dorsal launcher on deck 3/4. The aperture, though, need only be at least 0.8 m in size, the approximate width of a torpedo (and allowing for some clearance), and this definitely appears to be the case. However, that aperture can just as easily be some sorta purge vent or pleasure shaft. :)
Also, mere reliance on production drawings can be dubious; however, the arrows on the diagram do point to the location of the aft torpedo we are debating about (though the launcher is far less apparent in Nemesis). I would imagine that the quality and authority of the diagrams is somewhat questionable since they are not full-up schematics and since these do not fully agree with film evidence (which alone should be canon). Of course there are discrepancies between these things but, ultimately, the content we include in Wikipedia should be based on authoritative sources or empirical knowledge.
Believe me: I find it nonsensical that such a ship has a heavy aft torpedo complement, unless each of those weapons (a possibility) have lower capacities than the forward tubes. It makes one wonder, though, why 'Starfleet' (in this case, Eaves and company) would design or refit a ship with such an unbalanced weaponry arrangement.
To preclude an edit war, since we can both be right or wrong, I propose we enter this into a public forum or consult other (online) sources to resolve this issue. I'll keep the weapon counts as you've edited them but will change them again if needed.
Anthony
Hmmm; your reasoning is very selective. One of the forward dorsal launchers on the refit diagrams (near the transporter emitters, very upfront) cannot be observed on the actual ship and we concur it is not there. As well, one of the newer forward launchers on deck 3/4 (forward) is not large at all, as its aperture alone is present ... and is likely similar to the aft launcher under the shuttlebay or even over it. Of course all of these appear different since they are located on different surfaces for which the details cannot be resolved clearly enough.
By the way, which pages agree on this basic consensus? We are supposed to cite contributions and, particularly, if they are challenged. I will do the same shortly.
I will await other contributions before making any other commentary or editions. Thanks!
Anthony
Thanks for the info and references. Unfortunately, there are no references that you cite that prove or discount the rear launcher I contend is there. My contention is that--if the rear launcher exists--it is similar in structure to the forward launcher near the bridge. It is not as apparent as the forward launcher, but that doesn't discount its existence and nothing discussed yet has changed my perspective on this. I'm also unsure the rear launcher that may exist is smaller than the forward launcher near the bridge. Remember: only the aperture needs to appear, with considerable machinery in the deck structure forward.
Trust me, I'm inclined to give the Sovereign a more balanced weapon layout and omit it outright, but have not yet been convinced--given that damned diagram and the appearance of the port in the movie--that it doesn't exist. I'll see what others contribute before making any more judgements.
Thanks again!
Anthony
Since you have not conclusively convinced me regarding the rear torpedo launcher in question and given the preponderance of canon information, I have edited the torpedo count as indicated as a compromise. Unless you can convince or demonstrate reasonably that this is not the case, further attempts to revert the count will be corrected to the current version.
User:E Pluribus Anthony 06-Feb-2005 1539 UTC
Please understand where I am coming from. I am a long-time Star Trek fan as well. If you check the edit histories of Rick Sternbach, Ronald D. Moore, Michael Okuda and Brannon Braga you'll see that. However I don't think we should be including content here which is filled with guesswork, and stuff from non-canon sources that is very likely to be inaccurate. BTW You can't say all the data you are entering on these specification lists is accurate, when it is clear from your own talk page that you are negotiating stats with other people. Also studying screen-captures probably dances pretty close to breaking the no original research rule. AlistairMcMillan 13:36, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Type ~~~~ after your comments and Wikipedia will insert your username and a timestamp for you. AlistairMcMillan 02:47, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Test Alyeska 02:50, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:No personal attacks AlistairIntentionallyDenseMcMillan 04:45, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Who is being intentionally dense now? Please study the following pages.
I hope that is clear enough for you. AlistairMcMillan 02:40, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please answer my questions on Talk:Peregrine class starship. AlistairMcMillan 03:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I've tried to attempt at the compromise on the Prometheus specifications. Please reply to my comment in Talk:Prometheus_class_starship _before_ performing any edits. Bluap 15:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Actually, if you go back and check my edits, you'll find that I have been very carefully to never break the three revert rule. AlistairMcMillan 16:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
You have been blocked for 12 hours under the three revert rule. If you wish to appeal please contact another administrator or the mailing list. Geni 13:29, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
According to Wiki policy, he's officially pissed enough people off to warrant further action...as you described, he single-handedly does so many deletions and censoring it's not funny. The link is at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Klingon_starships
As the policy says, there has to be at least two people who are complaining, it looks like at least three now. Just informing you about it...I'm not advocating anything that we don't have a right to do.
-- Atrahasis 19:53, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Please see these two pages before reverting anything else.
AlistairMcMillan 02:38, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Please discontinue edit warring over whether K'Vort class starship should be a redirect or not. Please instead discuss on the talk page and come to a consensus. I would also ask that all editors refrain from characterizing edits pertaining to a content dispute or significance dispute as "vandalism". Kelly Martin 03:27, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
See the Nebula class discussion for further information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nebula_class_starship Alistair is nothing short of a vandal or a troll. He is now openly lying about past things he has said and done and is calling me a liar for pointing this otu (and I have provided evidence of this fact). He has constantly changed his mind over what information should and should not be posted. He has made unilateral decisions without discussion with anyone. He has attempted to hide from his actions. He has deleted information that he declares invalid without bother for other peoples opinions. Also check this discussion page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Klingon_starships#Atrahasis Alyeska 03:32, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I already attempted something like that. They said "compromise with the guy". He refuses to compromise. Its his way or the highway, period. Alyeska 03:39, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Whoops, sorry. You previously agreed to the Prometheus information and you can't outright disprove certain numbers that I've highlighted. You appeal to ignorance and move the goal posts. Alyeska 03:46, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Please show me the edit where I said I agreed with your original research. AlistairMcMillan 03:52, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I am not sure whether you have seen my note on Wikipedia talk:Vandalism in progress, so I post a note here too. There was no vandalism involved in my edit that deleted your text on WP:VIP. WP is extremely slow for me and times out frequently, and the latest hiccup was that I didn't get a conflict warning when I should have. After posting my note on the WP:VIP talk page, I finally got some meaningful answers from the revision history but when I tried to fix the mess, I did get an edit conflict because you beat me to it. I hope that clarifies things. Rl 20:11, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
I was wondering what was going on. Ok, I am going to retract what I posted. Alyeska 20:14, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
Please try to understand, Wikipedia is not the place for you to publish your speculations. There are a great number of places out there for you to theorise and speculate, but Wikipedia is not one of them. Everything on Wikipedia is supposed to be factual, information that other people can check up and confirm is correct. This is meant to be an encyclopaedia, not a discussion board. I'm not trying to hound you or piss you off, but you don't seem to see the distinction. AlistairMcMillan 03:44, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
The information I posted is valid when you consider the technical accuracy the show aspires for. And you are trying to piss me off. I caught you in a lie which you failed to acknowledge until I quoted and linked you to that three or four times. You vandalized someone elses page acussing them of being me, and you expect that to not be taken personaly by him or me? All you've done is attack my work and call what I've done speculation. You apply a double standard when you allow the exact same information in other pages. Leave me the fuck alone. I've stepped out of the Trek pages, you stay out of Stargate. Alyeska 03:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
For better or worse, I am aware of no current policy on how often an article may be nominated for VfD, or the amount of time required between nominations. There was discussion about this following the multiple nominations made for GNAA but no specific policy changes that would help you with Stardestroyer.net. -- Allen3 talk 01:18, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for responding so quickly and thanks for the clarification (even if it didn't realy clarify anyting). Alyeska 04:30, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Looks like Stardestroyer.net was just one of several articles hit by a page move vandal. A page history mere has been performed so things should be back to normal. -- Allen3 talk 15:59, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks again. Alyeska 20:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I've copied the content to User:Alyeska/Stardestroyer.net per your request. However, remember that reuse is subject to the GFDL requirement that all editors be credited. FCYTravis 05:20, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I tend to agree that after a single recreation an article should not be given protected deletion. I miss-read the delete log and thought that it had bgeen deleted for recreation multiple times (it apparently was undelted and redeleted to export some of the content). However, I can't think of another use for this article title besides writing about this website which (apparently) isn't notable. I think whether it should have been protected like this is a toss up. The amount of sockupuppetry in the VfD suggests that there will be more such attempts to recreate the article in any case. Also, the "proper channels" you cite (for future use) wouldn't be simply rewriting the article at its current location since it could be speedied at any time anyways. This link is Broken 21:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
If you are referring to Image:SDNet-Big-4.jpg, I deleted it under rule I5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, which says that copyrighted images uploaded without permission of the copyright holder (i.e. images tagged as "fair use") which are not used in any article should be deleted. User subpages aren't considered articles, and the fair use policy explicitly says that fair use images are not allowed on user pages, and any use outside of the article namespace is likely copyright infringement. On November 17 the image was tagged with {{ or-fu-nr}} by User:Roomba, with the tag warning of its deletion after 7 days. Coffee 06:18, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
If you want to keep this image you should change the tag before someone deletes it. You can find a list of the available tags here. AlistairMcMillan 16:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm tired of arguing with you. Do whatever you want. Feel free to vandalise whatever pages you want with what crap you want, safe in the knowledge that I won't touch your edits. AlistairMcMillan 19:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
The idea with the verifiability thing is that when you add information to Wikipedia, if there is a chance that someone is going to dispute it, you list your source(s). That way someone else can come along, read your sources and go "Okay I get where they got that." Does that make sense? A few years from now, even if none of us are still currently around on Wikipedia, other people can come to the pages we have edited and see where we got our information.
That is why your stats are a problem. You can't just say "these are correct", you have to explicitly point to your sources. Does that make any sense? AlistairMcMillan 23:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
And once again you fail to grasp the very simple meaning of the Original Research rule. The visuals are primary source material because they are derived straight from canon. Anything to do with visuals quite simply can not violate the original research rule. If you stretch visuals to be a violation of the rule, then the entire article itself is a rules violation because dialogue is also original research. You are taking the original Research rule out of context, and then cherry picking its enforcement. Furthermore, you incorrectly site the original research rule against the TMs themselves. Alyeska 20:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
About the merged starship pages. Firstly please don't accuse me of doing things that I have not done. I only restored the redirects that you reverted and pointed the template back to the merged pages. In the six months since I merged the pages, a large number of edits have been made by many people to those merged pages. The redirected pages haven't been touched in that same time. So the versions you restored recently are out of date. And please don't complain that I didn't seek other people's opinion, when you never felt the need before you performed your reverts. AlistairMcMillan 18:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
And it is not "renigging". The word you are looking for is "reneging". "Neg" as in "negotiate". AlistairMcMillan 18:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Some asshole is trying to ram the star dreadnaught bullshit in there. If that title were so official it would be all over the SW official site or at least somewhere on it. It's not though its in a book written by fans. one of the consultants was a guy who swore the name was Imperator and that the globes were sensors. LOL I regard the book as inacurate, anyone with brains I would think would also regard it as incorrect. ( TracksZ06 07:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC))
Curtis saxton doesnt know shit end of story. they didnt ask him to do shit one of his pals who wrote the book did.
TracksZ06
There is no proof that the Korelev is a Daedalus class. It is not even known if the Russians have the plans for the Daedalus class. There are three possibilities regarding it: 1: It's an BC-303 class 2. It's a Daedalus class or 3. It's a whole new class.
But it will not be known until it is shown on or mentioned on the show. So please stop with the speculation. Unless of course you can show me official proof other wise.
-MarineCorps
Already added a edit summary for the russian ship. Thanks for the info. MarineCorps 02:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Alyeska. I see from above that you have already had problems with this image in the past...
Basically, any image which is being used under fair use can't be used on user pages - only in "main space" articles. So if this is a copyrighted image for which fair usage is cited, you can't use it on your user page. I'm sorry if that's not what you were hoping to hear.
You mention that you weren't notified, but if you had added the image to your watchlist you would have seen that it was tagged in January as an orphaned fair use image. However, even if that had been the case, you still wouldn't be able to use it on your user page.
Unfortunately the deletion can't be reversed, as once images on Wikipedia are deleted, they're gone. CLW 17:35, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Has the show ever mentioned Kvasir being an engineer aboard the Odyssey? This was being discussed on the talk page. Please give a reason for your editing. Feral Mutant 18:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Were you the person who restored the bit saying he was the engineer on the Daedalus page? Feral Mutant 16:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I see that you have pointed Robots to Robots (film) rather than Robot. I disagree that Robots (film) is the more natural target. If you check Special:Whatlinkshere/Robots, you'll see that most of the incoming links expect to point to robot. The hatnote at the top of Robot that points to Robot (disambiguation) (where Robots (film) is listed) would serve the purpose of pointing the reader in another direction. — TKD:: Talk 04:30, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Any chance of getting a mirror of the site before it goes away completely? I just found a reference to your site, and wanted to check out what sounded like a great reference, only to find the goodbye message, and no content.
Please let me know via my talk page. Kythri 04:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Images that have been released for promotional purposes should be tagged with {{ promophoto}} or {{ promotional}}, not {{ norightsreserved}}, because we've had no explicit release of rights, and the company would probably object to the use of their image in an unflattering way, for example. No rights reserved means that no one would be able to stop me from pasting it on the front of a t-shirt with the goatse man on the back. Night Gyr 01:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Stop posting on my talk page. Your obsession with a TV show for children and the pistol-caliber firearm used as a prop in said show is noted.
Now that I've cooled off, are the changes made to the page enough of a compromise? After reading about inclusion of media information in firearms pages, yes, I was wrong. A media section has been added. The wallpaper you chose is not free domain. Beretta has released it for individual use. The picture I have posted had much the same options and view angle. Also, it has the added benefit of being free use (I have released all rights). Ajaka
What is wrong with the text being viewable, who cares if it's a spoiler! Plus, as I'm sure you've heard WAY to many times, it's in violation of WP:SW. There is no reason to not show it immediatly, just use a spoiler tag. American Patriot 1776 23:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Alyeska - don't feel bad, Wikipedia appreciates and still wants your contributions, this is just one issue we're sure you weren't aware of when you made the text white. Armedblowfish 14:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Please read WP:OWN. AlistairMcMillan 01:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
hello Alyeska, i noticed you have had difficulty with your Star trek pages. i am only new to Wikipedia and have attempted to create a few star trek articles myself. However i found they have have all been nominated for deletion due to lack of 'notability'. pherhaps you could visit Star Fleet Battle Group Omega. I would appreciate any opinion you have on the matter. Cheers Wiki ian ( talk) 12:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
maybe you could also be kind enough to give your opinion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USS Aries (NCC-45167). Thankyou again for your support. Wiki ian 08:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
See Template_talk:Spoiler#CSS_class_good_solution_to_complaints. Armedblowfish 14:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
User_talk:TheCoffee#Slow_learner? Gzuckier 19:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
See:
The first page you asked for was a redirect that had been in place since February 2005, and a disambiguation page right before that; not sure what version you wanted. I'm going away for a week now, if you need further assistance someone else will be happy to help you. Thanks. Grand master ka 16:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it has NOT been discussed (or at least not by me). The Daedalus itself may have been referred to as a 'Battlecruiser' by Mckay in mid-conversation, but in fact it is officially called a 'Deep Space Carrier'. If you watch season 9 episode, 'Off the Grid', you can clearly see its designation along with its registry number PB3865, on the background monitor in the conference room aboard the Odyssey. The Odyssey is the same class of ship as the Daedalus, and therefore it stands to reason that BOTH are 'Deep Space Carriers', not 'Battlecruisers'. -Seastallion
If this has been discussed, then please direct me to where, so that I may review all sides of the discussion for myself. I'm a long time Stargate fan, and a regular in the Gateworld sci. & tech forum, where this has also been discussed at length. Even the Gateworld Omnipedia (which has close access to the creators of Stargate) specifically states that these ships are called Deep Space Carriers. Seastallion 19:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)Seastallion 15:25 21 Aug. 2006
Okay. I've looked at the discussion on it, and it was NOT at all resolved. The very last comment on the matter was that the designation of 'Deep Space Carrier' SHOULD at the very least be included in the article. Did you even see that? Or are you simply going to ignore it? I am in complete agreement with that person. It should NOT be ignored, yet you deleted my edit in which I tried to compromise with you. I will suggest to you again that we change it to include both designations, because their is sufficient evidence from the show to support it. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't so. The FACTS of the show support the designation, and therefore it is deserving of inclusion. Also, YOU are not the only long time fan of the show. I think it is very cool that you helped run a website about Stargate, but that alone does not make you the final authority on all things stargate. ANYONE can run a website and say anything they want, but that doesn't make it so. For you to ignore a detail as I've suggested above is not professional (if that is what we're attempting). I suggest once more; we should change the designation to the BC-304, as Battlcruiser / Deep Space Carrier. This is fair, and if need be than we can add a note about it. It is not right that a vital detail be ignored as specifically seen on the show. It is not a matter of speculation, it is a matter of what is on the show. Therefore, it should be included. Seastallion 03:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
That the current designation of the Odyssey (and indeed ALL Daedalus class ships), is currently 'in question' is NOT a Point of View. It is a fact. I am not the only one who with the 'view' that the Odyssey's designation is 'Deep Space Carrier'. Just as YOU are not the only one who ignores it in favor of 'Battlecruiser'. It is VERY much in dispute. Also the fact that you have it designated specifically as a Battlecruiser in the BOLD title section of the article, is also VERY much a violation of 'Point of View'. MY motives are to be 'accurate', which is why I at least agreed to comprimise with you, but apparently even THAT is not enough. I was content to simply allow a small note in the main article, rather than push a major change. Wikipedia does NOT belong to you. It is SUPPOSED to be a collabrative effort. Which means, that the TV show's reference to the Odyssey as being a 'Deep Space Carrier' (which IS factual) ought not to bother you. I have to wonder about YOUR motivation in consistently ignoring this fact. Seastallion 21:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it actually back or completely gone?
I ask because of some weapon spotting I recently did...
http://members.cox.net/cjarmstrongjr/
Something, IIRC, you were interested in on your site. Deathbunny 06:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't were to put this. I didn't know it was your personal Halo weapons page I thought it was a glich in my computer beacause it was the only one there. SonicBlue 14:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Alyeska, I did NOT miss when Landry (on multiple occasions) called it a 304, but it's not a 304 class, it's Daedalus class as stated by senate in "The Ties That Bind", calling it a 304 class ship is wrong. It's the hull numbering or whatever you call it but it's class name is Daedalus
Faris b 14:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I didn't mean that exactly, what I meant is that you should not go and change every mention of the word Daedalus class to being 304 class, the way I can put it simply is that it's a Daedalus class ship and it's make for the lack of a better term to explain it is 304. I know those aren't official terms but it's the best way I can put it.
Faris b 13:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Why not appeal to Jimbo? -- Shrieking Harpy Talk| Count 19:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
INVOLVING JIMBO
First, it's very important that you write me a minimum of six pages of text explaining and defending the version that you prefer. The more tedious details, the better. I'm specifically keenly interested in the names of obscure rivers in Second, everyone knows that I make it a routine practice to force articles to read exactly the way that you like. I also ban longtime users and sysops whenever I feel like, just based on the say-so of people just like you. So be sure to ask for that. Third, better yet, don't ask for it, demand it. Threaten to leave if I don't comply within 24 hours. That always works. Fourth, if you happen to know that I'm personally politically sympathetic to your point of view, feel free to call your opponents names. For example, since I'm generally sympathetic to Israel, feel free to call anyone who has written anything critical of Israel a "Nazi." I'll get so excited that I'll probably ban them. Heck, I might even write new code in the software to only let you and people you approve edit the pages! And finally, if for some insane reason I don't act on your wise proposals, tell everyone that you know that Wikipedia is all a scam to make money. It's a tool of capitalist oppression. It's a liberal playground with no standards. It's based on the principles of communism. It's collectivist. It's individualist. It's useless. It's the most important thing in the world, except for me screwing it up. That'll show old Jimbo who he's messing with! Jimbo Wales 13:32, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) |
Please do not remove Miscellany for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Miscellany for deletion pages, as you did with User:Alyeska/Battlefield 2 Ranks. The notices and comments are needed to establish community consensus about the status of an article, and removing them is considered vandalism. If you oppose the deletion of an article, you may comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. -- Calton | Talk 06:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I told you to sod off. That is my private page. Removing unwanted edits by someone else is not vandalism by any stretch of the definition. These pages were allowed to me by MULTIPLE admins. Community consensus means sod all for my private pages.
From Wikipedia:User page:
Any questions? -- Calton | Talk 06:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
-- Calton | Talk 06:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Free clue: making up arguments out of whole cloth is less than convincing, also. Try actual arguments instead of pulling the Paranoid Card. -- Calton | Talk 07:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I just wanted to say that I totally sympathize with you in the wrongful deletions of some of your articles. I myself had also had to deal with these assholes who have also deleted my articles. I just wanted to support you and if I can help in any way leave me a message. -- Treva 17:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi - I've removed the categories from your userspace pages - pages in userspace should not link to mainspace articles. -- Charlesknight 17:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
There is no excuse for personal attacks on other users. You need to stop making them unless you want to get blocked from editing. I'm referring to your recent post on Calton's page; posting relevant Wikipedia policy for your information, as Calton does, is an appropriate action, it's not "hiding behind policy". Please study those policies instead of lashing out at the person pointing them out.
I would also be interested to understand the logic of why you choose to have an attack on the project on your userpage, at the same time as you spend time here. It doesn't make sense to me.
I've removed the attack against User:AlistairMcMillan from your userpage. Don't put anything like that on any of your pages again. Please edit civilly in the future altogether, even if you feel riled by other editors or indeed by the project itself. Count to ten or something, and please remember that everything you post on Wikipedia stays on Wikipedia, available through page histories. Bishonen | talk 21:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC).
Please see Wikipedia:Fancruft which makes it clear that fancruft, crime or not, does very often qualify as deletable, generally under Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. For someone who likes to quote what he sees as the rules to others, you seem remarkably ill-informed about them yourself. Badbilltucker 23:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
FYI, I am not trying to pick a fight. And this is the reason I keep recreating this section of your talk page.
Zoe made it clear that we aren't allowed to dictate what does and doesn't stay on our talk pages. Alyeska 00:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
That might have been her intent, but don't see that in her text. Alyeska 02:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Since the only way to control who does and doesn't post is by deleting their content, I saw that as one in the same. Alyeska 02:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Fancruft which makes it clear that fancruft, crime or not, does very often qualify as deletable, generally under Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. For someone who likes to quote what he sees as the rules to others, you seem remarkably ill-informed about them yourself. Badbilltucker 23:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I find it remarkable that you, of all people, can criticize others for being insulting, considering your own recent comments. LOL Badbilltucker 23:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Your recent conduct is frankly intolerable according to wikipedia policy. Your recent behavior, however, as indicated above, indicates what a low regard you have for that policy. Please do not further aggravate others with other insults and improper behavior. Regardless of your own opinions regarding fancruft, there is no reasonable basis to believe your current behavior is even remotely acceptable. Should you persist in it, definite actions may have to be taken. Specifically, to spell it out to you, you have no right to alter what others permit to keep on their user pages. Do not attempt further actions of that sort. Badbilltucker 23:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I had read your revision to your own userpage before I posted here. Please do not attempt to misimpose regulations as you did on my user page, unless, of course, you can somehow prove to someone that they somehow further the interests of wikipedia. Being clearly insulted by you regarding your own repeated and perhaps continuing disregard for rules of decorum is something I cannot believe qualifies as furthering the interests of wikipedia. Badbilltucker 23:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding your comment above, there is no question of your repeatedly reinsering things into my userpage after I had once, within the bounds of etiquette, deleted them and other parties did so subsequently, as a view of my userpage will clearly prove. I can only interpret your statement about "being accused" of things as being an objection to "being accused" of the facts, which causes me to wonder about a number of things. Badbilltucker 02:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
However, I wish to point something out, and I hope you take it in the spirit that it is intended. You cannot win this fight. Calton is a snark, but he's a snark who very simply never does anything outside of policy. I don't like the way he acts sometimes but the man is a relentlessly dedicated contributor and editor with a philosophy that (excluding user pages) pretty much matches my own. The more you get into a contest of wills with him, the more emotional you will become over it and eventually you will say something that is clearly offensive and get banned.
I don't want that. You shouldn't either. As frustrating as Wikipedia is, it can also be very rewarding. My personal interests are in mainline Christianity, in the game Neverwinter Nights, in the Chinese Communist party that murdered my parents, and in Scientology which I despise. I never let myself edit, vote for deletion, or even interact with those pages, because I know the potential is there for me to become emotionally involved, and that leads to some admin who's having a bad day going upside your head with a banhammer. I never edit what I am intensely interested in -- I try to find new interests.
I implore you to let this drop. Copy it to your hard drive, and work on it off Wikipedia. There are others here who would be happy to do that with you. Don't get worked up over it because unfortunately the policy about user pages is so vague that people have been hardbanned over them. There is more here if you find it. Either way it goes, good luck. -- Elar a girl Talk| Count 00:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
As per your request, I saved a copy of deleted Spacebattles.com to your sandbox. This does not change my position that keeping deleted articles in userspace is wrong. Regards.-- Hús ö nd 01:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
It seems I have to ask you to fix your userpage again. Please remove the paragraph about Ubisoft here, [6] or I'll protect your page, and this time I'd just as soon leave it protected. Bishonen | talk 05:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC).
Since when do we need to issue warnings to remove spam? User:Zoe| (talk) 16:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
See CSD A7. There was nothing in the article to indicate notability, it was all ad-speak. User:Zoe| (talk) 23:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome, just kidding. Anyway, excuse me for NOT wanting to start an edit war. Plus I thought you said you didn't check that page because of things like that.
You know, this is really the last message one wants to read when they wake up as the first thing.
Faris b 14:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
You have been blocked for violating the three-revert rule on Daedalus class battlecruiser. Please be more careful to engage in discussion or dispute resolution rather than an edit war. The duration of the block is 24 hours. If you believe you should be unblocked, you may add {{unblock|your reason}} to this page and another administrator will review the situation. Seraphimblade Talk to me 09:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Apparently the consensus on the P22 talk page is not to include the shootings in the article.--Semper Fi, Carry on Dan MP5 | contribs 18:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Basically the only reason to mention the shootings, would be if the status of the P22 gets changed (like being banned or something, and how can you ban a 10 round .22 caliber pistol?) or there is a new gun control act or something directly caused by the P22. --Semper Fi, Carry on Dan MP5 | contribs 18:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if you are aware of the 3RR rule. Thank you. Yaf 21:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Man this Wikipedia thing's an addictive substance, innit? :D E. Sn0 =31337= Talk 21:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
An article which you have edited, Talk:Walther P22#Request for Comment: Walther P22 – is involved in a dispute requiring inputs from editors to develop a consensus for editors to follow on whether or not mention of the Virginia Tech Massacre should be mentioned in the firearm article, or if mention in the VT Massacre article of the firearms used, with a link back to the Walther P22 article, is adequate. Thank you. Yaf 22:17, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Alyeska for coming to my defense. Appreciate it. MiFeinberg 18:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: Talk:Glock 19. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 19:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, judging from your talk page, you have problems with civility and policy. My advice to you is to learn both of those, quickly, if you wish to continue editing on wikipedia. At the moment, your edits are not constructive. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 20:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. The discussion of whether to include a mention of the Virginia Tech massacre at the Walther P22 article continues. Earlier, a compromise was reached to include a mention of the Viriginia Tech massacre in a "See Also" section of this article, but now that idea is being debated. Care to weigh in? The Walther P22 is being discussed here. Griot 16:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
You were pretty cool with how you handled the Star Trek specs debate awhile back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.164.212.246 ( talk) 23:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
Thank you for your comments Alyeska .I respect your right to your opinion.I do not know which case you refered to but generally I do not want to duplicate arguements.I vote only if I agreed with the comments with that of the nom or the other user if not I put my own comments .I would greatly obliged if you tell which article are you refering to.You can reply here i will come back and check it.Anyway Thank you for your feedback. Harlowraman 04:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I have initiated a deletion review of an AFD which you were involved in. You may wish to contribute to the discussion. Balancer 04:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello! Welcome to Wikipedia, Alyeska. Thank you for your fine work on the Star Trek starship class articles. Judging from the work you've done, it seems that your forte is science fiction; you can find plenty of articles in need of help in this field or others at Wikipedia:Pages needing attention.
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Thank you for your contributions; I hope you continue to help us.
-- Djinn112 01:03, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
From [1]: "The ship class was named after the Imperator in the Mandel blueprints of 1978, long before the present generation of references. With the exception of a few modest references in LucasArts games, the first-wave references have been unreasonably ignored by newer works, despite being generally just as accurate. The Mandel plans definitely precede the recent "Imperial-class" referencing. " "... the common mile-long destroyer known to the forces of the Galactic Empire as the Imperator-class star destroyer, and colloquially known as Imperial star destroyer to rebel operatives." -- Golbez 19:26, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)
Alyeska:
Greetings! Thanks for your note and for pointing this out. This count varies according to who you connect with, what has been observed (and not) in the TNG movies, and on production diagrams of the ship from the powers that be. OK: I've made editions that I thought were correct. Let's recap:
Original version - 5 launchers total, comprised of: 1 forward (quantum torpedo) launcher, ventral saucer (near Captain's Yacht) 2 forward launchers, ventral engineering hull (near navigational deflector) 2 aft launchers, ventral engineering hull (on aft hull undercut)
Refitted version - 10 launchers total, comprised of above launchers and: 1 forward launcher, dorsal saucer (near deck 3/4) 2 aft launchers, dorsal saucer (near aft docking port) 1 aft launcher, dorsal engineering hull (above shuttlebay) 1 aft launcher, ventral engineering hull (below shuttlebay)
Not all of these are observed firing but are either noted on production diagrams or can be observed on the ship if you look closely. I previously included the quantum torpedo launcher with all of them and then totalled badly ... oops! So, I've changed the page to reflect the above noted count. Let me know if you've any questions. Thanks again!
Alyeska:
Hi there; thanks for your reply and clarifications. Actually, I think you and I are on the same page but use different terminology:
I did not note the forward launcher on production diagrams near the transporter emitters on the saucer dorsal, since this is not observed (or at leas clearly) when closely inspecting the Nemesis DVD.
I believe the only divergence of opinion you and I really have concerns only one launcher: the aft (ventral) launcher on the structure underneath the lower shuttlebay. 'Refit' diagrams indicate the launcher is there and I believe it can be observed on close inspection of the movie: refer to scenes in the DVD when (1) the Enterprise-E arrives at Kolarus III near the beginning, and (2) one of the final scenes when the ship is in spacedock being repaired.
As well, be careful about referencing or characterising edits which are as valid as yours as 'screwing' with them; who are you again?
If you think differently, feel free to indicate. Thanks again for your review.
Anthony
Alyeska:
Hi there! Thanks for your reply. The aft launcher of note, if indeed it is one!, is likely smaller because it is single and largely within the frame/structure of the ship. I would think it similar to the forward dorsal launcher on deck 3/4. The aperture, though, need only be at least 0.8 m in size, the approximate width of a torpedo (and allowing for some clearance), and this definitely appears to be the case. However, that aperture can just as easily be some sorta purge vent or pleasure shaft. :)
Also, mere reliance on production drawings can be dubious; however, the arrows on the diagram do point to the location of the aft torpedo we are debating about (though the launcher is far less apparent in Nemesis). I would imagine that the quality and authority of the diagrams is somewhat questionable since they are not full-up schematics and since these do not fully agree with film evidence (which alone should be canon). Of course there are discrepancies between these things but, ultimately, the content we include in Wikipedia should be based on authoritative sources or empirical knowledge.
Believe me: I find it nonsensical that such a ship has a heavy aft torpedo complement, unless each of those weapons (a possibility) have lower capacities than the forward tubes. It makes one wonder, though, why 'Starfleet' (in this case, Eaves and company) would design or refit a ship with such an unbalanced weaponry arrangement.
To preclude an edit war, since we can both be right or wrong, I propose we enter this into a public forum or consult other (online) sources to resolve this issue. I'll keep the weapon counts as you've edited them but will change them again if needed.
Anthony
Hmmm; your reasoning is very selective. One of the forward dorsal launchers on the refit diagrams (near the transporter emitters, very upfront) cannot be observed on the actual ship and we concur it is not there. As well, one of the newer forward launchers on deck 3/4 (forward) is not large at all, as its aperture alone is present ... and is likely similar to the aft launcher under the shuttlebay or even over it. Of course all of these appear different since they are located on different surfaces for which the details cannot be resolved clearly enough.
By the way, which pages agree on this basic consensus? We are supposed to cite contributions and, particularly, if they are challenged. I will do the same shortly.
I will await other contributions before making any other commentary or editions. Thanks!
Anthony
Thanks for the info and references. Unfortunately, there are no references that you cite that prove or discount the rear launcher I contend is there. My contention is that--if the rear launcher exists--it is similar in structure to the forward launcher near the bridge. It is not as apparent as the forward launcher, but that doesn't discount its existence and nothing discussed yet has changed my perspective on this. I'm also unsure the rear launcher that may exist is smaller than the forward launcher near the bridge. Remember: only the aperture needs to appear, with considerable machinery in the deck structure forward.
Trust me, I'm inclined to give the Sovereign a more balanced weapon layout and omit it outright, but have not yet been convinced--given that damned diagram and the appearance of the port in the movie--that it doesn't exist. I'll see what others contribute before making any more judgements.
Thanks again!
Anthony
Since you have not conclusively convinced me regarding the rear torpedo launcher in question and given the preponderance of canon information, I have edited the torpedo count as indicated as a compromise. Unless you can convince or demonstrate reasonably that this is not the case, further attempts to revert the count will be corrected to the current version.
User:E Pluribus Anthony 06-Feb-2005 1539 UTC
Please understand where I am coming from. I am a long-time Star Trek fan as well. If you check the edit histories of Rick Sternbach, Ronald D. Moore, Michael Okuda and Brannon Braga you'll see that. However I don't think we should be including content here which is filled with guesswork, and stuff from non-canon sources that is very likely to be inaccurate. BTW You can't say all the data you are entering on these specification lists is accurate, when it is clear from your own talk page that you are negotiating stats with other people. Also studying screen-captures probably dances pretty close to breaking the no original research rule. AlistairMcMillan 13:36, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Type ~~~~ after your comments and Wikipedia will insert your username and a timestamp for you. AlistairMcMillan 02:47, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Test Alyeska 02:50, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:No personal attacks AlistairIntentionallyDenseMcMillan 04:45, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Who is being intentionally dense now? Please study the following pages.
I hope that is clear enough for you. AlistairMcMillan 02:40, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please answer my questions on Talk:Peregrine class starship. AlistairMcMillan 03:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I've tried to attempt at the compromise on the Prometheus specifications. Please reply to my comment in Talk:Prometheus_class_starship _before_ performing any edits. Bluap 15:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Actually, if you go back and check my edits, you'll find that I have been very carefully to never break the three revert rule. AlistairMcMillan 16:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
You have been blocked for 12 hours under the three revert rule. If you wish to appeal please contact another administrator or the mailing list. Geni 13:29, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
According to Wiki policy, he's officially pissed enough people off to warrant further action...as you described, he single-handedly does so many deletions and censoring it's not funny. The link is at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Klingon_starships
As the policy says, there has to be at least two people who are complaining, it looks like at least three now. Just informing you about it...I'm not advocating anything that we don't have a right to do.
-- Atrahasis 19:53, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Please see these two pages before reverting anything else.
AlistairMcMillan 02:38, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Please discontinue edit warring over whether K'Vort class starship should be a redirect or not. Please instead discuss on the talk page and come to a consensus. I would also ask that all editors refrain from characterizing edits pertaining to a content dispute or significance dispute as "vandalism". Kelly Martin 03:27, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
See the Nebula class discussion for further information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nebula_class_starship Alistair is nothing short of a vandal or a troll. He is now openly lying about past things he has said and done and is calling me a liar for pointing this otu (and I have provided evidence of this fact). He has constantly changed his mind over what information should and should not be posted. He has made unilateral decisions without discussion with anyone. He has attempted to hide from his actions. He has deleted information that he declares invalid without bother for other peoples opinions. Also check this discussion page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Klingon_starships#Atrahasis Alyeska 03:32, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I already attempted something like that. They said "compromise with the guy". He refuses to compromise. Its his way or the highway, period. Alyeska 03:39, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Whoops, sorry. You previously agreed to the Prometheus information and you can't outright disprove certain numbers that I've highlighted. You appeal to ignorance and move the goal posts. Alyeska 03:46, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Please show me the edit where I said I agreed with your original research. AlistairMcMillan 03:52, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I am not sure whether you have seen my note on Wikipedia talk:Vandalism in progress, so I post a note here too. There was no vandalism involved in my edit that deleted your text on WP:VIP. WP is extremely slow for me and times out frequently, and the latest hiccup was that I didn't get a conflict warning when I should have. After posting my note on the WP:VIP talk page, I finally got some meaningful answers from the revision history but when I tried to fix the mess, I did get an edit conflict because you beat me to it. I hope that clarifies things. Rl 20:11, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
I was wondering what was going on. Ok, I am going to retract what I posted. Alyeska 20:14, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
Please try to understand, Wikipedia is not the place for you to publish your speculations. There are a great number of places out there for you to theorise and speculate, but Wikipedia is not one of them. Everything on Wikipedia is supposed to be factual, information that other people can check up and confirm is correct. This is meant to be an encyclopaedia, not a discussion board. I'm not trying to hound you or piss you off, but you don't seem to see the distinction. AlistairMcMillan 03:44, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
The information I posted is valid when you consider the technical accuracy the show aspires for. And you are trying to piss me off. I caught you in a lie which you failed to acknowledge until I quoted and linked you to that three or four times. You vandalized someone elses page acussing them of being me, and you expect that to not be taken personaly by him or me? All you've done is attack my work and call what I've done speculation. You apply a double standard when you allow the exact same information in other pages. Leave me the fuck alone. I've stepped out of the Trek pages, you stay out of Stargate. Alyeska 03:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
For better or worse, I am aware of no current policy on how often an article may be nominated for VfD, or the amount of time required between nominations. There was discussion about this following the multiple nominations made for GNAA but no specific policy changes that would help you with Stardestroyer.net. -- Allen3 talk 01:18, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for responding so quickly and thanks for the clarification (even if it didn't realy clarify anyting). Alyeska 04:30, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Looks like Stardestroyer.net was just one of several articles hit by a page move vandal. A page history mere has been performed so things should be back to normal. -- Allen3 talk 15:59, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks again. Alyeska 20:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I've copied the content to User:Alyeska/Stardestroyer.net per your request. However, remember that reuse is subject to the GFDL requirement that all editors be credited. FCYTravis 05:20, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I tend to agree that after a single recreation an article should not be given protected deletion. I miss-read the delete log and thought that it had bgeen deleted for recreation multiple times (it apparently was undelted and redeleted to export some of the content). However, I can't think of another use for this article title besides writing about this website which (apparently) isn't notable. I think whether it should have been protected like this is a toss up. The amount of sockupuppetry in the VfD suggests that there will be more such attempts to recreate the article in any case. Also, the "proper channels" you cite (for future use) wouldn't be simply rewriting the article at its current location since it could be speedied at any time anyways. This link is Broken 21:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
If you are referring to Image:SDNet-Big-4.jpg, I deleted it under rule I5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, which says that copyrighted images uploaded without permission of the copyright holder (i.e. images tagged as "fair use") which are not used in any article should be deleted. User subpages aren't considered articles, and the fair use policy explicitly says that fair use images are not allowed on user pages, and any use outside of the article namespace is likely copyright infringement. On November 17 the image was tagged with {{ or-fu-nr}} by User:Roomba, with the tag warning of its deletion after 7 days. Coffee 06:18, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
If you want to keep this image you should change the tag before someone deletes it. You can find a list of the available tags here. AlistairMcMillan 16:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm tired of arguing with you. Do whatever you want. Feel free to vandalise whatever pages you want with what crap you want, safe in the knowledge that I won't touch your edits. AlistairMcMillan 19:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
The idea with the verifiability thing is that when you add information to Wikipedia, if there is a chance that someone is going to dispute it, you list your source(s). That way someone else can come along, read your sources and go "Okay I get where they got that." Does that make sense? A few years from now, even if none of us are still currently around on Wikipedia, other people can come to the pages we have edited and see where we got our information.
That is why your stats are a problem. You can't just say "these are correct", you have to explicitly point to your sources. Does that make any sense? AlistairMcMillan 23:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
And once again you fail to grasp the very simple meaning of the Original Research rule. The visuals are primary source material because they are derived straight from canon. Anything to do with visuals quite simply can not violate the original research rule. If you stretch visuals to be a violation of the rule, then the entire article itself is a rules violation because dialogue is also original research. You are taking the original Research rule out of context, and then cherry picking its enforcement. Furthermore, you incorrectly site the original research rule against the TMs themselves. Alyeska 20:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
About the merged starship pages. Firstly please don't accuse me of doing things that I have not done. I only restored the redirects that you reverted and pointed the template back to the merged pages. In the six months since I merged the pages, a large number of edits have been made by many people to those merged pages. The redirected pages haven't been touched in that same time. So the versions you restored recently are out of date. And please don't complain that I didn't seek other people's opinion, when you never felt the need before you performed your reverts. AlistairMcMillan 18:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
And it is not "renigging". The word you are looking for is "reneging". "Neg" as in "negotiate". AlistairMcMillan 18:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Some asshole is trying to ram the star dreadnaught bullshit in there. If that title were so official it would be all over the SW official site or at least somewhere on it. It's not though its in a book written by fans. one of the consultants was a guy who swore the name was Imperator and that the globes were sensors. LOL I regard the book as inacurate, anyone with brains I would think would also regard it as incorrect. ( TracksZ06 07:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC))
Curtis saxton doesnt know shit end of story. they didnt ask him to do shit one of his pals who wrote the book did.
TracksZ06
There is no proof that the Korelev is a Daedalus class. It is not even known if the Russians have the plans for the Daedalus class. There are three possibilities regarding it: 1: It's an BC-303 class 2. It's a Daedalus class or 3. It's a whole new class.
But it will not be known until it is shown on or mentioned on the show. So please stop with the speculation. Unless of course you can show me official proof other wise.
-MarineCorps
Already added a edit summary for the russian ship. Thanks for the info. MarineCorps 02:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Alyeska. I see from above that you have already had problems with this image in the past...
Basically, any image which is being used under fair use can't be used on user pages - only in "main space" articles. So if this is a copyrighted image for which fair usage is cited, you can't use it on your user page. I'm sorry if that's not what you were hoping to hear.
You mention that you weren't notified, but if you had added the image to your watchlist you would have seen that it was tagged in January as an orphaned fair use image. However, even if that had been the case, you still wouldn't be able to use it on your user page.
Unfortunately the deletion can't be reversed, as once images on Wikipedia are deleted, they're gone. CLW 17:35, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Has the show ever mentioned Kvasir being an engineer aboard the Odyssey? This was being discussed on the talk page. Please give a reason for your editing. Feral Mutant 18:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Were you the person who restored the bit saying he was the engineer on the Daedalus page? Feral Mutant 16:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I see that you have pointed Robots to Robots (film) rather than Robot. I disagree that Robots (film) is the more natural target. If you check Special:Whatlinkshere/Robots, you'll see that most of the incoming links expect to point to robot. The hatnote at the top of Robot that points to Robot (disambiguation) (where Robots (film) is listed) would serve the purpose of pointing the reader in another direction. — TKD:: Talk 04:30, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Any chance of getting a mirror of the site before it goes away completely? I just found a reference to your site, and wanted to check out what sounded like a great reference, only to find the goodbye message, and no content.
Please let me know via my talk page. Kythri 04:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Images that have been released for promotional purposes should be tagged with {{ promophoto}} or {{ promotional}}, not {{ norightsreserved}}, because we've had no explicit release of rights, and the company would probably object to the use of their image in an unflattering way, for example. No rights reserved means that no one would be able to stop me from pasting it on the front of a t-shirt with the goatse man on the back. Night Gyr 01:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Stop posting on my talk page. Your obsession with a TV show for children and the pistol-caliber firearm used as a prop in said show is noted.
Now that I've cooled off, are the changes made to the page enough of a compromise? After reading about inclusion of media information in firearms pages, yes, I was wrong. A media section has been added. The wallpaper you chose is not free domain. Beretta has released it for individual use. The picture I have posted had much the same options and view angle. Also, it has the added benefit of being free use (I have released all rights). Ajaka
What is wrong with the text being viewable, who cares if it's a spoiler! Plus, as I'm sure you've heard WAY to many times, it's in violation of WP:SW. There is no reason to not show it immediatly, just use a spoiler tag. American Patriot 1776 23:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Alyeska - don't feel bad, Wikipedia appreciates and still wants your contributions, this is just one issue we're sure you weren't aware of when you made the text white. Armedblowfish 14:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Please read WP:OWN. AlistairMcMillan 01:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
hello Alyeska, i noticed you have had difficulty with your Star trek pages. i am only new to Wikipedia and have attempted to create a few star trek articles myself. However i found they have have all been nominated for deletion due to lack of 'notability'. pherhaps you could visit Star Fleet Battle Group Omega. I would appreciate any opinion you have on the matter. Cheers Wiki ian ( talk) 12:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
maybe you could also be kind enough to give your opinion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USS Aries (NCC-45167). Thankyou again for your support. Wiki ian 08:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
See Template_talk:Spoiler#CSS_class_good_solution_to_complaints. Armedblowfish 14:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
User_talk:TheCoffee#Slow_learner? Gzuckier 19:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
See:
The first page you asked for was a redirect that had been in place since February 2005, and a disambiguation page right before that; not sure what version you wanted. I'm going away for a week now, if you need further assistance someone else will be happy to help you. Thanks. Grand master ka 16:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it has NOT been discussed (or at least not by me). The Daedalus itself may have been referred to as a 'Battlecruiser' by Mckay in mid-conversation, but in fact it is officially called a 'Deep Space Carrier'. If you watch season 9 episode, 'Off the Grid', you can clearly see its designation along with its registry number PB3865, on the background monitor in the conference room aboard the Odyssey. The Odyssey is the same class of ship as the Daedalus, and therefore it stands to reason that BOTH are 'Deep Space Carriers', not 'Battlecruisers'. -Seastallion
If this has been discussed, then please direct me to where, so that I may review all sides of the discussion for myself. I'm a long time Stargate fan, and a regular in the Gateworld sci. & tech forum, where this has also been discussed at length. Even the Gateworld Omnipedia (which has close access to the creators of Stargate) specifically states that these ships are called Deep Space Carriers. Seastallion 19:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)Seastallion 15:25 21 Aug. 2006
Okay. I've looked at the discussion on it, and it was NOT at all resolved. The very last comment on the matter was that the designation of 'Deep Space Carrier' SHOULD at the very least be included in the article. Did you even see that? Or are you simply going to ignore it? I am in complete agreement with that person. It should NOT be ignored, yet you deleted my edit in which I tried to compromise with you. I will suggest to you again that we change it to include both designations, because their is sufficient evidence from the show to support it. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't so. The FACTS of the show support the designation, and therefore it is deserving of inclusion. Also, YOU are not the only long time fan of the show. I think it is very cool that you helped run a website about Stargate, but that alone does not make you the final authority on all things stargate. ANYONE can run a website and say anything they want, but that doesn't make it so. For you to ignore a detail as I've suggested above is not professional (if that is what we're attempting). I suggest once more; we should change the designation to the BC-304, as Battlcruiser / Deep Space Carrier. This is fair, and if need be than we can add a note about it. It is not right that a vital detail be ignored as specifically seen on the show. It is not a matter of speculation, it is a matter of what is on the show. Therefore, it should be included. Seastallion 03:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
That the current designation of the Odyssey (and indeed ALL Daedalus class ships), is currently 'in question' is NOT a Point of View. It is a fact. I am not the only one who with the 'view' that the Odyssey's designation is 'Deep Space Carrier'. Just as YOU are not the only one who ignores it in favor of 'Battlecruiser'. It is VERY much in dispute. Also the fact that you have it designated specifically as a Battlecruiser in the BOLD title section of the article, is also VERY much a violation of 'Point of View'. MY motives are to be 'accurate', which is why I at least agreed to comprimise with you, but apparently even THAT is not enough. I was content to simply allow a small note in the main article, rather than push a major change. Wikipedia does NOT belong to you. It is SUPPOSED to be a collabrative effort. Which means, that the TV show's reference to the Odyssey as being a 'Deep Space Carrier' (which IS factual) ought not to bother you. I have to wonder about YOUR motivation in consistently ignoring this fact. Seastallion 21:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it actually back or completely gone?
I ask because of some weapon spotting I recently did...
http://members.cox.net/cjarmstrongjr/
Something, IIRC, you were interested in on your site. Deathbunny 06:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't were to put this. I didn't know it was your personal Halo weapons page I thought it was a glich in my computer beacause it was the only one there. SonicBlue 14:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Alyeska, I did NOT miss when Landry (on multiple occasions) called it a 304, but it's not a 304 class, it's Daedalus class as stated by senate in "The Ties That Bind", calling it a 304 class ship is wrong. It's the hull numbering or whatever you call it but it's class name is Daedalus
Faris b 14:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I didn't mean that exactly, what I meant is that you should not go and change every mention of the word Daedalus class to being 304 class, the way I can put it simply is that it's a Daedalus class ship and it's make for the lack of a better term to explain it is 304. I know those aren't official terms but it's the best way I can put it.
Faris b 13:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Why not appeal to Jimbo? -- Shrieking Harpy Talk| Count 19:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
INVOLVING JIMBO
First, it's very important that you write me a minimum of six pages of text explaining and defending the version that you prefer. The more tedious details, the better. I'm specifically keenly interested in the names of obscure rivers in Second, everyone knows that I make it a routine practice to force articles to read exactly the way that you like. I also ban longtime users and sysops whenever I feel like, just based on the say-so of people just like you. So be sure to ask for that. Third, better yet, don't ask for it, demand it. Threaten to leave if I don't comply within 24 hours. That always works. Fourth, if you happen to know that I'm personally politically sympathetic to your point of view, feel free to call your opponents names. For example, since I'm generally sympathetic to Israel, feel free to call anyone who has written anything critical of Israel a "Nazi." I'll get so excited that I'll probably ban them. Heck, I might even write new code in the software to only let you and people you approve edit the pages! And finally, if for some insane reason I don't act on your wise proposals, tell everyone that you know that Wikipedia is all a scam to make money. It's a tool of capitalist oppression. It's a liberal playground with no standards. It's based on the principles of communism. It's collectivist. It's individualist. It's useless. It's the most important thing in the world, except for me screwing it up. That'll show old Jimbo who he's messing with! Jimbo Wales 13:32, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) |
Please do not remove Miscellany for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Miscellany for deletion pages, as you did with User:Alyeska/Battlefield 2 Ranks. The notices and comments are needed to establish community consensus about the status of an article, and removing them is considered vandalism. If you oppose the deletion of an article, you may comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. -- Calton | Talk 06:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I told you to sod off. That is my private page. Removing unwanted edits by someone else is not vandalism by any stretch of the definition. These pages were allowed to me by MULTIPLE admins. Community consensus means sod all for my private pages.
From Wikipedia:User page:
Any questions? -- Calton | Talk 06:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
-- Calton | Talk 06:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Free clue: making up arguments out of whole cloth is less than convincing, also. Try actual arguments instead of pulling the Paranoid Card. -- Calton | Talk 07:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I just wanted to say that I totally sympathize with you in the wrongful deletions of some of your articles. I myself had also had to deal with these assholes who have also deleted my articles. I just wanted to support you and if I can help in any way leave me a message. -- Treva 17:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi - I've removed the categories from your userspace pages - pages in userspace should not link to mainspace articles. -- Charlesknight 17:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
There is no excuse for personal attacks on other users. You need to stop making them unless you want to get blocked from editing. I'm referring to your recent post on Calton's page; posting relevant Wikipedia policy for your information, as Calton does, is an appropriate action, it's not "hiding behind policy". Please study those policies instead of lashing out at the person pointing them out.
I would also be interested to understand the logic of why you choose to have an attack on the project on your userpage, at the same time as you spend time here. It doesn't make sense to me.
I've removed the attack against User:AlistairMcMillan from your userpage. Don't put anything like that on any of your pages again. Please edit civilly in the future altogether, even if you feel riled by other editors or indeed by the project itself. Count to ten or something, and please remember that everything you post on Wikipedia stays on Wikipedia, available through page histories. Bishonen | talk 21:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC).
Please see Wikipedia:Fancruft which makes it clear that fancruft, crime or not, does very often qualify as deletable, generally under Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. For someone who likes to quote what he sees as the rules to others, you seem remarkably ill-informed about them yourself. Badbilltucker 23:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
FYI, I am not trying to pick a fight. And this is the reason I keep recreating this section of your talk page.
Zoe made it clear that we aren't allowed to dictate what does and doesn't stay on our talk pages. Alyeska 00:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
That might have been her intent, but don't see that in her text. Alyeska 02:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Since the only way to control who does and doesn't post is by deleting their content, I saw that as one in the same. Alyeska 02:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Fancruft which makes it clear that fancruft, crime or not, does very often qualify as deletable, generally under Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. For someone who likes to quote what he sees as the rules to others, you seem remarkably ill-informed about them yourself. Badbilltucker 23:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I find it remarkable that you, of all people, can criticize others for being insulting, considering your own recent comments. LOL Badbilltucker 23:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Your recent conduct is frankly intolerable according to wikipedia policy. Your recent behavior, however, as indicated above, indicates what a low regard you have for that policy. Please do not further aggravate others with other insults and improper behavior. Regardless of your own opinions regarding fancruft, there is no reasonable basis to believe your current behavior is even remotely acceptable. Should you persist in it, definite actions may have to be taken. Specifically, to spell it out to you, you have no right to alter what others permit to keep on their user pages. Do not attempt further actions of that sort. Badbilltucker 23:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I had read your revision to your own userpage before I posted here. Please do not attempt to misimpose regulations as you did on my user page, unless, of course, you can somehow prove to someone that they somehow further the interests of wikipedia. Being clearly insulted by you regarding your own repeated and perhaps continuing disregard for rules of decorum is something I cannot believe qualifies as furthering the interests of wikipedia. Badbilltucker 23:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding your comment above, there is no question of your repeatedly reinsering things into my userpage after I had once, within the bounds of etiquette, deleted them and other parties did so subsequently, as a view of my userpage will clearly prove. I can only interpret your statement about "being accused" of things as being an objection to "being accused" of the facts, which causes me to wonder about a number of things. Badbilltucker 02:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
However, I wish to point something out, and I hope you take it in the spirit that it is intended. You cannot win this fight. Calton is a snark, but he's a snark who very simply never does anything outside of policy. I don't like the way he acts sometimes but the man is a relentlessly dedicated contributor and editor with a philosophy that (excluding user pages) pretty much matches my own. The more you get into a contest of wills with him, the more emotional you will become over it and eventually you will say something that is clearly offensive and get banned.
I don't want that. You shouldn't either. As frustrating as Wikipedia is, it can also be very rewarding. My personal interests are in mainline Christianity, in the game Neverwinter Nights, in the Chinese Communist party that murdered my parents, and in Scientology which I despise. I never let myself edit, vote for deletion, or even interact with those pages, because I know the potential is there for me to become emotionally involved, and that leads to some admin who's having a bad day going upside your head with a banhammer. I never edit what I am intensely interested in -- I try to find new interests.
I implore you to let this drop. Copy it to your hard drive, and work on it off Wikipedia. There are others here who would be happy to do that with you. Don't get worked up over it because unfortunately the policy about user pages is so vague that people have been hardbanned over them. There is more here if you find it. Either way it goes, good luck. -- Elar a girl Talk| Count 00:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
As per your request, I saved a copy of deleted Spacebattles.com to your sandbox. This does not change my position that keeping deleted articles in userspace is wrong. Regards.-- Hús ö nd 01:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
It seems I have to ask you to fix your userpage again. Please remove the paragraph about Ubisoft here, [6] or I'll protect your page, and this time I'd just as soon leave it protected. Bishonen | talk 05:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC).
Since when do we need to issue warnings to remove spam? User:Zoe| (talk) 16:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
See CSD A7. There was nothing in the article to indicate notability, it was all ad-speak. User:Zoe| (talk) 23:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome, just kidding. Anyway, excuse me for NOT wanting to start an edit war. Plus I thought you said you didn't check that page because of things like that.
You know, this is really the last message one wants to read when they wake up as the first thing.
Faris b 14:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
You have been blocked for violating the three-revert rule on Daedalus class battlecruiser. Please be more careful to engage in discussion or dispute resolution rather than an edit war. The duration of the block is 24 hours. If you believe you should be unblocked, you may add {{unblock|your reason}} to this page and another administrator will review the situation. Seraphimblade Talk to me 09:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Apparently the consensus on the P22 talk page is not to include the shootings in the article.--Semper Fi, Carry on Dan MP5 | contribs 18:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Basically the only reason to mention the shootings, would be if the status of the P22 gets changed (like being banned or something, and how can you ban a 10 round .22 caliber pistol?) or there is a new gun control act or something directly caused by the P22. --Semper Fi, Carry on Dan MP5 | contribs 18:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if you are aware of the 3RR rule. Thank you. Yaf 21:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Man this Wikipedia thing's an addictive substance, innit? :D E. Sn0 =31337= Talk 21:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
An article which you have edited, Talk:Walther P22#Request for Comment: Walther P22 – is involved in a dispute requiring inputs from editors to develop a consensus for editors to follow on whether or not mention of the Virginia Tech Massacre should be mentioned in the firearm article, or if mention in the VT Massacre article of the firearms used, with a link back to the Walther P22 article, is adequate. Thank you. Yaf 22:17, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Alyeska for coming to my defense. Appreciate it. MiFeinberg 18:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: Talk:Glock 19. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 19:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, judging from your talk page, you have problems with civility and policy. My advice to you is to learn both of those, quickly, if you wish to continue editing on wikipedia. At the moment, your edits are not constructive. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 20:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. The discussion of whether to include a mention of the Virginia Tech massacre at the Walther P22 article continues. Earlier, a compromise was reached to include a mention of the Viriginia Tech massacre in a "See Also" section of this article, but now that idea is being debated. Care to weigh in? The Walther P22 is being discussed here. Griot 16:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
You were pretty cool with how you handled the Star Trek specs debate awhile back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.164.212.246 ( talk) 23:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
Thank you for your comments Alyeska .I respect your right to your opinion.I do not know which case you refered to but generally I do not want to duplicate arguements.I vote only if I agreed with the comments with that of the nom or the other user if not I put my own comments .I would greatly obliged if you tell which article are you refering to.You can reply here i will come back and check it.Anyway Thank you for your feedback. Harlowraman 04:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I have initiated a deletion review of an AFD which you were involved in. You may wish to contribute to the discussion. Balancer 04:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)