A place to chat about anything and everything AeonFluxus ( talk) 15:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Please be aware that linking to a PDF that violates copyright is not permitted on Wikipedia. Please don't do it again. I refer to the Google docs pdf of The Magical Revival. Linking to copyright violations can lead to you being blocked from editing. Skyerise ( talk) 11:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Also please note that Starry Wisdom Lodge was a Caliphate Ordo Templi Orientis lodge, not a Typhonian OTO lodge so I have removed all that section as off-topic. Use the further reading to find sources that are actually about TOTO, not COTO please. Skyerise ( talk) 12:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Please also note that it is considered uncool to remove maintenance templates such as {{ empty section}} without fixing the indicated problem. I have restored the empty but very needed section headed "Work of the order". Please don't remove it again. Skyerise ( talk) 13:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Much appreciated. I'm still learning the ropes of Wikipedia and meant no disrespect to the page or Wikipedia. I'll do my best to learn from your example. I just thought the page was severely lacking and wanted to do what I could to bring novel info to it but I get all 3 of your points they're sound. Being an ex-OTO member who was with people who were in Starry Wisdom (Phoenix Lodge) I do want to state that there's an interesting history of Typhonian material influencing the COTO and that some of it goes full circle. If I can think of a way of presenting the information I have with proper sources and justification I'll run it past you first before editing. Take care.
- All the best,
- Aeon
- P.S:
- BTW I saw on your page you were writing about Yahweh's history I'd highly recommend PHD Dr. Justin Sledge's video "Who is Yahweh - How a Warrior-Storm God became the God of the Israelites and World Monotheism" on his channel Esoterica. Below the next paragraph are the sources/recommended reading he included in his video description to give you can idea of the scholarly perspective he takes:
- I also saw mentions of the OTO and Illuminati. That info used to be on the OTO page but was removed, I put it back in a while ago with references confirming Reuss' previous activities and the currently used Manifesto declaring as much. If you haven't seen it yet I highly recommend The Secret School of Wisdom: The Authentic Ritual and Doctrines of the Illuminati which translated many Illuminati texts from their original German for the first time. One of the authors/editors was OTO member Jeva Singh who was a lovely person but battled with depression and sadly ended his own life. This presentation given at a Masonic Lodge uses it as the basis for their historical/academic overview of the Illuminati (if you'd rather watch something than buy the book): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eku5SeS67dA&list=PL6YNzTfwfFGVpJW8MdLYg3HIXHBCnRtWi
- Sources from the Esoterica video: Smith - The Early History of God - 978-0802839725 Smith - The Origins of Biblical Monotheism - 978-0195167689 Cross - Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic - 978-0674091764 Dever - Beyond the Texts: An Archaeological Portrait of Ancient Israel and Judah - 978-0884142188 Dever - Has Archaeology Buried the Bible? - 978-0802877635 Day - Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan - 978-0826468307 Stavrakopoulou - God: An Anatomy - 978-1509867356 Lewis - The Origin and Character of God - 978-0197687543 Zevit - The Religions of Ancient Israel: A Synthesis of Parallactic Approaches - 978-0826463395 AeonFluxus ( talk) 17:35, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- You might want to join
WikiProject Thelema. Although it is currently inactive, there are a couple other occasional editors of
Thelema-related topics.
Skyerise (
talk) 16:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion. I'll certainly take look. As well as being ex-OTO I'm no longer a practicing Thelemite (in any Crowleyian sense anyway) but I was quite dedicated to the tradition for around 15 years before I felt it was best I move on (taking what jived with me and leaving the rest behind). I'll lurk and learn for a bit before first chatting with the others if I consider taking action on anything. I do not want to repeat the issues you pointed out with my previous changes which were much appreciated constructive criticism. Take care.
AeonFluxus (
talk) 19:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Leaving the OTO is perhaps one of the most Thelemic things one can do!
Skyerise (
talk) 21:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Most true! AeonFluxus ( talk) 15:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Leaving the OTO is perhaps one of the most Thelemic things one can do!
Skyerise (
talk) 21:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion. I'll certainly take look. As well as being ex-OTO I'm no longer a practicing Thelemite (in any Crowleyian sense anyway) but I was quite dedicated to the tradition for around 15 years before I felt it was best I move on (taking what jived with me and leaving the rest behind). I'll lurk and learn for a bit before first chatting with the others if I consider taking action on anything. I do not want to repeat the issues you pointed out with my previous changes which were much appreciated constructive criticism. Take care.
AeonFluxus (
talk) 19:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- You might want to join
WikiProject Thelema. Although it is currently inactive, there are a couple other occasional editors of
Thelema-related topics.
Skyerise (
talk) 16:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
In particular, if you have anything to contribute to a biography of Helen Parsons Smith or would be willing to research her enough to create a stub article (must have 2 good sources), that's probably the biggest gap in coverage that needs to be addressed. Skyerise ( talk) 16:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Actually, I already went ahead and started it. Another needed article is Mary d'Este Sturges. Skyerise ( talk) 17:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
A place to chat about anything and everything AeonFluxus ( talk) 15:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Please be aware that linking to a PDF that violates copyright is not permitted on Wikipedia. Please don't do it again. I refer to the Google docs pdf of The Magical Revival. Linking to copyright violations can lead to you being blocked from editing. Skyerise ( talk) 11:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Also please note that Starry Wisdom Lodge was a Caliphate Ordo Templi Orientis lodge, not a Typhonian OTO lodge so I have removed all that section as off-topic. Use the further reading to find sources that are actually about TOTO, not COTO please. Skyerise ( talk) 12:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Please also note that it is considered uncool to remove maintenance templates such as {{ empty section}} without fixing the indicated problem. I have restored the empty but very needed section headed "Work of the order". Please don't remove it again. Skyerise ( talk) 13:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Much appreciated. I'm still learning the ropes of Wikipedia and meant no disrespect to the page or Wikipedia. I'll do my best to learn from your example. I just thought the page was severely lacking and wanted to do what I could to bring novel info to it but I get all 3 of your points they're sound. Being an ex-OTO member who was with people who were in Starry Wisdom (Phoenix Lodge) I do want to state that there's an interesting history of Typhonian material influencing the COTO and that some of it goes full circle. If I can think of a way of presenting the information I have with proper sources and justification I'll run it past you first before editing. Take care.
- All the best,
- Aeon
- P.S:
- BTW I saw on your page you were writing about Yahweh's history I'd highly recommend PHD Dr. Justin Sledge's video "Who is Yahweh - How a Warrior-Storm God became the God of the Israelites and World Monotheism" on his channel Esoterica. Below the next paragraph are the sources/recommended reading he included in his video description to give you can idea of the scholarly perspective he takes:
- I also saw mentions of the OTO and Illuminati. That info used to be on the OTO page but was removed, I put it back in a while ago with references confirming Reuss' previous activities and the currently used Manifesto declaring as much. If you haven't seen it yet I highly recommend The Secret School of Wisdom: The Authentic Ritual and Doctrines of the Illuminati which translated many Illuminati texts from their original German for the first time. One of the authors/editors was OTO member Jeva Singh who was a lovely person but battled with depression and sadly ended his own life. This presentation given at a Masonic Lodge uses it as the basis for their historical/academic overview of the Illuminati (if you'd rather watch something than buy the book): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eku5SeS67dA&list=PL6YNzTfwfFGVpJW8MdLYg3HIXHBCnRtWi
- Sources from the Esoterica video: Smith - The Early History of God - 978-0802839725 Smith - The Origins of Biblical Monotheism - 978-0195167689 Cross - Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic - 978-0674091764 Dever - Beyond the Texts: An Archaeological Portrait of Ancient Israel and Judah - 978-0884142188 Dever - Has Archaeology Buried the Bible? - 978-0802877635 Day - Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan - 978-0826468307 Stavrakopoulou - God: An Anatomy - 978-1509867356 Lewis - The Origin and Character of God - 978-0197687543 Zevit - The Religions of Ancient Israel: A Synthesis of Parallactic Approaches - 978-0826463395 AeonFluxus ( talk) 17:35, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- You might want to join
WikiProject Thelema. Although it is currently inactive, there are a couple other occasional editors of
Thelema-related topics.
Skyerise (
talk) 16:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion. I'll certainly take look. As well as being ex-OTO I'm no longer a practicing Thelemite (in any Crowleyian sense anyway) but I was quite dedicated to the tradition for around 15 years before I felt it was best I move on (taking what jived with me and leaving the rest behind). I'll lurk and learn for a bit before first chatting with the others if I consider taking action on anything. I do not want to repeat the issues you pointed out with my previous changes which were much appreciated constructive criticism. Take care.
AeonFluxus (
talk) 19:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Leaving the OTO is perhaps one of the most Thelemic things one can do!
Skyerise (
talk) 21:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Most true! AeonFluxus ( talk) 15:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Leaving the OTO is perhaps one of the most Thelemic things one can do!
Skyerise (
talk) 21:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion. I'll certainly take look. As well as being ex-OTO I'm no longer a practicing Thelemite (in any Crowleyian sense anyway) but I was quite dedicated to the tradition for around 15 years before I felt it was best I move on (taking what jived with me and leaving the rest behind). I'll lurk and learn for a bit before first chatting with the others if I consider taking action on anything. I do not want to repeat the issues you pointed out with my previous changes which were much appreciated constructive criticism. Take care.
AeonFluxus (
talk) 19:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- You might want to join
WikiProject Thelema. Although it is currently inactive, there are a couple other occasional editors of
Thelema-related topics.
Skyerise (
talk) 16:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
In particular, if you have anything to contribute to a biography of Helen Parsons Smith or would be willing to research her enough to create a stub article (must have 2 good sources), that's probably the biggest gap in coverage that needs to be addressed. Skyerise ( talk) 16:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Actually, I already went ahead and started it. Another needed article is Mary d'Este Sturges. Skyerise ( talk) 17:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)