There might be a bot archiving stale threads, but it doesn't archive them fast enough. Sure, a few of the ones I archived were a bit premature, which I apologize for, but a lot of them hadn't had discussion in days and were clogging up the noticeboard- I often use a slower device to edit, as I'm sure many editors do, and if it isn't kept archived then the noticeboards don't load in a timely fashion. The last edit the bot made was three days ago, and that archived two discussions which hadn't had discussion in three days. I see no point in keeping days-closed discussions up- especially when one discussion is clogging up hundreds of kilobytes. If you respond, please respond here, but ping me. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 23:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Bacondrum ( talk) 04:19, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
In regards to diff. The page error is since I was using google-scholar's auto-generated citation (which gave the first page of the chapter and not a page range for some reason) - sloppiness. As for village/forest - the underlying citations refer to Naliboki village, however the passage itself refers indeed to Naliboki forest. This was also twice discussed at AE - GizzyCatBella, and Icewhiz. It's pretty obvious the passage refers to the self defense in Naliboki village (and this is supported by other sources as well - however I will note that good sources for Naliboki massacre are scarce) - from the citations and context, however you could say this is WP:OR. After it was pointed out on the talk page - Talk:Naliboki massacre/Archive 1#Claims withdrawn and historians apologized. (header the first point of contention was the underlying Gluchowski & Kowalski 2009 citation) - that there is a forest/village mismatch - I backed down - 07:32, 11 June 2018. Icewhiz ( talk) 05:28, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Anyway, I suspect the massacre was yet another poorly documented series of atrocities, where all the historical narratives have an axe to grind and are basically part fiction. I'm not into this particular topic at all, but from a general NPOV and editing perspective, I'm somewhat anti-revert, and I certainly don't believe in the idea of using only the best sources. I believe NPOV says to do the opposite of that. I.e., it says to emphasize what the best sources say, but also to give some coverage to the not so good ones.
In other words, put everything out there with some kind of rough grading, and let the reader decide for themselves what to pursue further. Don't try to control what readers are allowed to see. 173.228.123.207 ( talk) 06:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
" The officers were NKVD officers, directed to these areas from Moscow, and the individual troops consisted of hiding soldiers of the Red Army, local Russians and Belarusians, as well as people of Jewish nationality - escapees from the ghettos. "And -
"Witnesses mention familiar names of partisans taking part in the attack, pointing out that among them were also women and Nalibok residents of Jewish nationality.. I personally think it is unlikely they will close this investigation until 2030-2040 (when they'll declare everyone involved presume dead. The massacre is an issue in the far-right press [2] - and they'll just get a bad rap if they close it. It's unlikely they'll come up with anything definitive that's new (as all those involved are dying from old age) - so it will probably just linger as an open case). Icewhiz ( talk) 14:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
I've belatedly restored your response to the original wording [3] before it was modified by a third party. [4] [5] I'm letting you know in case you would have made the modification yourself but never got the chance because someone else modified it without asking although frankly as perhaps you already know, your original wording seemed fine and has a subtle but significant difference from what it was modified to. Nil Einne ( talk) 15:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
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There might be a bot archiving stale threads, but it doesn't archive them fast enough. Sure, a few of the ones I archived were a bit premature, which I apologize for, but a lot of them hadn't had discussion in days and were clogging up the noticeboard- I often use a slower device to edit, as I'm sure many editors do, and if it isn't kept archived then the noticeboards don't load in a timely fashion. The last edit the bot made was three days ago, and that archived two discussions which hadn't had discussion in three days. I see no point in keeping days-closed discussions up- especially when one discussion is clogging up hundreds of kilobytes. If you respond, please respond here, but ping me. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 23:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Bacondrum ( talk) 04:19, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
In regards to diff. The page error is since I was using google-scholar's auto-generated citation (which gave the first page of the chapter and not a page range for some reason) - sloppiness. As for village/forest - the underlying citations refer to Naliboki village, however the passage itself refers indeed to Naliboki forest. This was also twice discussed at AE - GizzyCatBella, and Icewhiz. It's pretty obvious the passage refers to the self defense in Naliboki village (and this is supported by other sources as well - however I will note that good sources for Naliboki massacre are scarce) - from the citations and context, however you could say this is WP:OR. After it was pointed out on the talk page - Talk:Naliboki massacre/Archive 1#Claims withdrawn and historians apologized. (header the first point of contention was the underlying Gluchowski & Kowalski 2009 citation) - that there is a forest/village mismatch - I backed down - 07:32, 11 June 2018. Icewhiz ( talk) 05:28, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Anyway, I suspect the massacre was yet another poorly documented series of atrocities, where all the historical narratives have an axe to grind and are basically part fiction. I'm not into this particular topic at all, but from a general NPOV and editing perspective, I'm somewhat anti-revert, and I certainly don't believe in the idea of using only the best sources. I believe NPOV says to do the opposite of that. I.e., it says to emphasize what the best sources say, but also to give some coverage to the not so good ones.
In other words, put everything out there with some kind of rough grading, and let the reader decide for themselves what to pursue further. Don't try to control what readers are allowed to see. 173.228.123.207 ( talk) 06:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
" The officers were NKVD officers, directed to these areas from Moscow, and the individual troops consisted of hiding soldiers of the Red Army, local Russians and Belarusians, as well as people of Jewish nationality - escapees from the ghettos. "And -
"Witnesses mention familiar names of partisans taking part in the attack, pointing out that among them were also women and Nalibok residents of Jewish nationality.. I personally think it is unlikely they will close this investigation until 2030-2040 (when they'll declare everyone involved presume dead. The massacre is an issue in the far-right press [2] - and they'll just get a bad rap if they close it. It's unlikely they'll come up with anything definitive that's new (as all those involved are dying from old age) - so it will probably just linger as an open case). Icewhiz ( talk) 14:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
I've belatedly restored your response to the original wording [3] before it was modified by a third party. [4] [5] I'm letting you know in case you would have made the modification yourself but never got the chance because someone else modified it without asking although frankly as perhaps you already know, your original wording seemed fine and has a subtle but significant difference from what it was modified to. Nil Einne ( talk) 15:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
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