This RfC is intended to build consensus on several issues regarding the content of the articles Lutici and Pomerania during the High Middle Ages.
File:Wrymouth expedition pomerania lutici.png reproduces the information contained in a map by
a snippet of which is viewable here. The caption (in the original as well as in the reproduction) reads: "The Expedition of Boleslaw the Wrymouth to Szczecin and against the Lutici in 1121," circles are explained as "concentration of forces," arrows as "directions of Boleslaw's march and attacks." The map was recently introduced to the following articles:
Q: Should File:Wrymouth expedition pomerania lutici.png be included in the articles? Comments should address the following disputed issues
The wording we agree on here will be introduced to Pomerania during the High Middle Ages#List of Polish campaigns, a table listing year(s) in the first column, and details in the second column.
Sometime between 1121-1130 | Joint Polish-Danish invasion of Rügen. The Rani accepted Polish suzerainty but Polish control didn't last.[1] |
1129 or 1130[1] | Niels (Nicholas) of Denmark sieged Usedom (Orna/Osna), and after negotiating a treaty pursued to take Wolin (Julin/Jumne) with military support of Boleslaw III Wrymouth of Poland.[2] Before Boleslaw's forces left, Richeza (also Ryksa or Rikizza, Boleslaw's daughter) joined the Danish forces to stay with her future husband Magnus (Niels' son), cementing the Danish-Polish alliance.[2] When the Danish fleet had sailed to the Strelasund, Wartislaw I of Pomerania went aboard to negotiate, but failed to achieve favorable results.[2] In the outcome, Wartislaw most likely had to again accept Boleslaw's overlordship,[3] and Boleslaw and Niels may have specified their mutual spheres of interest regarding the areas around Rügen and the estuaries of the Peene and Oder rivers.[4] |
1121 - solved
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1121 inline textDiscussion has led to some progress here. The initial question about the introduction of a capture of Demmin and Stralsund in the inline text based on Michalek ( [1] [2] [3]) has been solved:
Thus, there is no need for an RfC to ask whether the capture-wording is ok or not, rather, there should be a (short) list of proposals for what wording we use instead. Boleslaw's 1121 Müritz campaignThe wording we agree on here will be introduced to
Proposal A
Proposal B(Proposal C if any)Discussion |
I think before we can decide on RfC-questions here, we should first settle the verification issue, since the requested quotations have not yet been provided. VM, can you please provide the respective quotation from Michalek? Skäpperöd ( talk) 07:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
This RfC is intended to build consensus on several issues regarding the content of the articles Lutici and Pomerania during the High Middle Ages.
File:Wrymouth expedition pomerania lutici.png reproduces the information contained in a map by
a snippet of which is viewable here. The caption (in the original as well as in the reproduction) reads: "The Expedition of Boleslaw the Wrymouth to Szczecin and against the Lutici in 1121," circles are explained as "concentration of forces," arrows as "directions of Boleslaw's march and attacks." The map was recently introduced to the following articles:
Q: Should File:Wrymouth expedition pomerania lutici.png be included in the articles? Comments should address the following disputed issues
The wording we agree on here will be introduced to Pomerania during the High Middle Ages#List of Polish campaigns, a table listing year(s) in the first column, and details in the second column.
Sometime between 1121-1130 | Joint Polish-Danish invasion of Rügen. The Rani accepted Polish suzerainty but Polish control didn't last.[1] |
1129 or 1130[1] | Niels (Nicholas) of Denmark sieged Usedom (Orna/Osna), and after negotiating a treaty pursued to take Wolin (Julin/Jumne) with military support of Boleslaw III Wrymouth of Poland.[2] Before Boleslaw's forces left, Richeza (also Ryksa or Rikizza, Boleslaw's daughter) joined the Danish forces to stay with her future husband Magnus (Niels' son), cementing the Danish-Polish alliance.[2] When the Danish fleet had sailed to the Strelasund, Wartislaw I of Pomerania went aboard to negotiate, but failed to achieve favorable results.[2] In the outcome, Wartislaw most likely had to again accept Boleslaw's overlordship,[3] and Boleslaw and Niels may have specified their mutual spheres of interest regarding the areas around Rügen and the estuaries of the Peene and Oder rivers.[4] |
1121 - solved
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1121 inline textDiscussion has led to some progress here. The initial question about the introduction of a capture of Demmin and Stralsund in the inline text based on Michalek ( [1] [2] [3]) has been solved:
Thus, there is no need for an RfC to ask whether the capture-wording is ok or not, rather, there should be a (short) list of proposals for what wording we use instead. Boleslaw's 1121 Müritz campaignThe wording we agree on here will be introduced to
Proposal A
Proposal B(Proposal C if any)Discussion |
I think before we can decide on RfC-questions here, we should first settle the verification issue, since the requested quotations have not yet been provided. VM, can you please provide the respective quotation from Michalek? Skäpperöd ( talk) 07:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)