The ascension of Jesus is a main tradition in Islam, with only particular Muslim groups having different interpretations.
The day that Jesus was raised to heaven, he left behind nothing but a woolen garment, a slingshot, and two sandals. - No. 77 Hannad ibn al-Sariyy (d. 857). [1]
Ibn Kathir tells us...the Muslims believed: ‘The servant and messenger of God, Jesus, remained with us as long as God willed until God raised him to Himself.’ [2]
"Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised up alive!" (Maryam 33) [3]
Porphyry became one of the most able pagan adversaries of Christianity of his day. His aim was not to disprove the substance of Christianity’s teachings but rather the records within which the teachings are communicated. [4]
Even supposing some Greeks are so foolish as to think that the gods dwell in the statues, even that would be a much purer concept (of religion) than to admit that the Divine Power should descend into the womb of the Virgin Mary, that it became an embryo, and after birth was wrapped in rags, soiled with blood and bile, and even worse. [5] [6]
Boyd Bushman was a senior scientist for Lockheed Martin, in the Fort Worth Division which produced the F-22 stealth and F-16 fighters for the U.S. Air Force. [7] At the time of his retirement in 2000, Bushman had 28 patents in his name, many of which contained classified technologies. [8] [9]
In October 2014 a video testimony of Boyd Bushman went viral, where he claimed to show proof of extraterrestrials living and working at Area 51. [10]
News articles soon released pictures of dolls looking similar to Boyd's images of aliens to answer his claims, but from unsourced origins ( see news articles ). [11] [12] The doll manufacturer quoted in news reports, Halloween FX Props, [13] was started by Guy Kitchell: "In 2009, he started building Halloween props for his home. Family and friends loved the products so he began selling them. That led to more props and more sales and what is now Halloween FX Props, a company that supplies haunted attractions and home haunts and shares the building with Klima." [14] This news article conflicts with the reported date of a doll made by the same manufacturer and offered at Walmart / Kmart in 1997.
In the October 2014 YouTube video, Boyd claims having top-secret clearance and describes evidence apparently forwarded to him by colleagues having direct personal contact and experience with UFOs and aliens at Area 51. [10]
The accounts in the October 2014 video were in the form of descriptions, explanations, pictures of spacecrafts, pictures of alien beings and pictures of unique alien materials. In the video testimony, he speaks about images of alien spacecraft having a heads up display similar to modern human aircraft, but more advanced. Boyd also states the beings held at Area 51 come from a planet called Quintonia, mentioning location in the universe and sharing images of their planet and images of earth from their planet. He mentions how there are two species who stand between four and a half to five feet tall, having five toes and five fingers like humans. Boyd further states the aliens do not communicate verbally but instead through telepathy. He further says there are currently 18 aliens at Area 51 and they can live to be over 200 years old. He shares some photos of an alien who died. He also shares a photo of a friend of his posing with the spirit of the deceased alien, saying their spirit, like that of humans, stays near the body for up to three days, maybe more. Boyd also shares a varied account of the Roswell UFO incident and some other information, like performing anti-gravity experiments on his own with alien materials he knows how to use. [10]
The claims were widely circulated by UFO enthusiast blogs and Oliver Darcy of the Blaze, [15] which stated they were made on the man's "deathbed." [15] The claims were similar in nature to inferences made by Boyd during an earlier appearance he made in the 1999 Discovery Channel program "Billion Dollar Secret", [16] whose premise was to chronicle a purported government UFO coverup. [17] [18] At a running time of 22:50 in the "Billion Dollar Secret," Boyd is interviewed and introduced as a "Lockheed Martin Defense Contractor" and speaks briefly about the subject matter, mentioning a real-world demonstration he did regarding anti-gravity. "If you're interested in anti-gravity, then talk to Bushman, they'd said" writes Nick Cook in The Hunt For Zero Point: Inside The World of Anti-Gravity Technology. [7]
A subsequent inquiry by Quebec news website TVQC reported the photos shown by Boyd Bushman were similar to those of a plastic collectible figure sold by Walmart. [19] This story was also repeated by the San Antonio Express News. [20] Urban legend index Snopes has rated the claim "Former Lockheed Martin engineer Boyd Bushman provided evidence of human contact with alien life before his death in August 2014" as "FALSE", [21] citing a YouTube video showing a model of an alien which looks similar to the alien shown in Boyd's film. [22] A German newspaper Bild reports the opinion "whether Bushman had actually worked at Lockheed Martin could not be confirmed. And the aliens he is shown with are, in all probability, fake. That raises questions about his other statements, as well." [23]
There has been analysis of the alien photos mentioned on a radio broadcast [ citation needed] not ruling out such dolls may have been based on the physiology of authentic aliens.
Boyd Bushman's obituary includes references to his career, his photo and a link to his birth certificate. [8]
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I have asked half a dozen ex-Lockheed ADP people who worked there from the 1950s until the 1990s and none of them have ever heard of this person. How many sources are there for his claims? Paul Suhler ( talk) 05:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I looked at his US5,929,372 patent and the physics are not valid. He talks of a "beam " of magnetic field, magnetic monopoles, and permanent magnets generating "pulses". This man has clearly never had a physics 101 course. 108.184.225.180 ( talk) 17:29, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
http://www.google.com/patents/US5929732
I suggest you go to the United States Patent office website and do search with his name then read the major of the 27 patents in his name, then see that they are tied to Lockheed Martin! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.214.241 ( talk) 06:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
On the patents, he is listed as the inventor and Lockheed Martin as the assignee. When one files a patent, one can nominate anybody that one wishes as the assignee. This does not prove any affiliation between Bushmand and Lockheed Martin. http://patents.justia.com/inventor/boyd-b-bushman 108.184.225.180 ( talk) 17:22, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
If there are in fact 27 patents to this man's name, which he assigned to Lockheed Martin, that in and of itself creates an affiliation between him and Lockheed Martin. (I am not going to check myself, because I don't believe it matters.) However there are three main questions here, and whether he really was a Lockheed Martin employee is only one of them. First: 1) Whether he was an employee of Lockheed Martin; I'm inclined to say if he gave the company 27 patents, he probably was (since that's a huge amount of paperwork to say nothing of the effort actually inventing something). 2) If he was, did he have the kind of job that might conceivably have given him access to be a direct witness to the claims? And 3) How credible is this man? -- Personally, without a whole lot more documentation supporting his credibility, I'm inclined to say that his story is not credible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LrdDimwit ( talk • contribs) 03:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
IF THE PATENTS DOESNT MATTER WHY ARE THEY DELETED FROM THE WIKI PAGE FUCKING ZION MODS
Lockheed Martin would not allow and authorize someone to have their business card that does not work for the company plus they would not put the title under his name of Senior Scientist. Plus Lockheed Martin would not grant the same person to have email address of Boyd.B.Bushman@lmco.com plus have a direct phone land line to his office in their Fort Worth location on the card too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.214.241 ( talk) 06:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
No, but anybody could go to a print shop and print any kind of business card that they want! This does not prove anything. 108.184.225.180 ( talk) 17:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Given that the claims made are so odd and the article has so few references, I'm questioning the accuracy. Autarch ( talk) 20:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
His official business card for LMCO last I saw him was "Chief Scientist Emeritus". Not kidding. This man is very notable, but the article quality is currently poor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.8.120.96 ( talk) 14:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
The link to his website no longer works — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.54.216 ( talk) 07:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
"To date, no evidence denies Boyd's claims." Except for the evidence that denies his claims. I.e: http://www.snopes.com/photos/odd/bushman.asp#xBS1JUeMqG5wkwJH.99 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPQL9qoZ9I http://www.tvqc.com/2014/10/boyd-bushman-ingenieur-lockheed-martin-parle-dovnis-mort — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.51.41.108 ( talk) 05:08, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
This guy was showing a magnet slowing down inside a copper tube. He presented this as forces that no one could explain. The truth was that this was due to the magnetic field that is created by eddie currents created by the original magnetic field of the magnet. I don't understand why there is an article about someone with no credibility at all. Celestial mechanic ( talk) 06:01, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
The claims currently in the article about the alien in the video being revealed as just a toy need further citation too. The article in a San Antonio paper which is said to confirm this hypothesis actually only mentioned it in passing, and doesn't even picture the same doll as the previous article--thus it's misleading to cite it in that context. Also, I had trouble running down any specifics on the doll (a store page at Walmart or Kmart where it is supposed to be sold). The first article says almost nothing about it and provides only a home photo of dubious provenance. While it seems very likely to me that it is indeed a photographed toy, the article currently indicates a level of certainty about specifics which it probably should not based on the sources shown.
(There's also a YouTube video circulating, which the French news article links to at the very bottom. That seems to be the best source, and shows an alien very like the one in the photos. But it indicates said alien toy is rather old, in contrast to the claim that it can currently be had at WalMart. There's also other media and info available on forum threads.)
He was questioned about this in a polygraph test that he passed. See test questions in this article:
My point is not really about the polygraph test. They are not accepted as accurate tests. My point is that he claims to have personally seen aliens. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 21:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected|Boyd Bushman|answered=yes}} reference: Former Lockheed Martin Skunk works Senior Scientist comes out about Antigravity Propulsion Devices and how they tie into what is known as "Singularity" which allow you to move anywhere within the universe instantaneously. Humans have this technology, and have had for more than 50 years
Fang3001 ( talk) 08:53, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
You state that there are no obituaries for Boyd Bushman, yet you don't state how this search was completed. (Web--what sites?, Public Records--where from? etc). However all this is moot as his obituary can easily be found at </ref> http://www.azjournal.com/2014/08/12/boyd-bushman/</ref>
The obituaries found so far have listed the funeral service as being at the Owens Livingston Mortuary in Show Low, Arizona. I did a search and found its site:
It has obituaries sorted alphabetically and by date. Here is "B":
Here is Boyd Bushman's obituary:
It is almost the same as the obituary in the Arizona Journal:
Both have the same photo of him. Here is info on the Arizona Journal:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 03:55, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
The text and photo in the obituary at findagrave.com is an exact copy of the obituary at the Owens Livingston Mortuary site. See:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 04:32, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
The article currently says: "Another source observed there were no obituaries for anyone named 'Boyd Bushman' since the August date of his supposed death, and a person of that name was also not listed in the Social Security Death Index."
That is not very relevant since the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) "includes 93 percent to 96 percent of deaths of individuals aged 65 or older." The quote is from the Wikipedia article on SSDI. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 03:11, 4 November 2014 (UTC
See WP:Reliable sources. I am not judging the merits of what this guy is claiming. It doesn't matter what I believe anyway. I support WP:NPOV. I have only read a little online, and heard something on the radio. I haven't seen any of the videos, and so I don't even know for sure what he is claiming.
I certainly don't trust what is in many articles online. They contradict each other about what he is saying. I am curious about what reliable sources are saying. Currently, there are 14,600 results in this Google News phrase search for "Boyd Bushman".
Primary sources are sometimes allowed on Wikipedia. For example; to verify what he actually said. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 09:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Some help with getting the citations and sources exactly how wiki would like them would be much appreciated. I keep reading what it is asking for but I'm unsure how to proceed. Thanks! ( about citation #8 referring to the book ) HafizHanif ( talk) 21:00, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Article currently only says "the man's evasiveness when asked to confirm details about his educational background."
Here is his educational background according to his obituary at the Owens Livingston Mortuary in Show Low, Arizona:
"He received a Bachelor of Science degree from Brigham Young University, majoring in both math and physics. He also earned an M.B.A. from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor." -- Timeshifter ( talk) 03:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Article currently has this line:
In the video, the man claiming to be "Boyd Bushman"
I haven't seen the video. There is a photo of Boyd Bushman though in his obituary at the Owens Livingston Mortuary in Show Low, Arizona. The same photo is also found in the similar obituary in the Arizona Journal. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 03:57, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
You have started 8 new sections in the last 24 hours on the same, or closely related, topics. Can you please combine them? It's impossible to engage in a discussion in this way. BlueSalix ( talk) 04:02, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Article currently says only:
periodically claimed to be a retired senior research engineer with Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, Texas Instruments and Hughes Aircraft.
The reference article for that is an 8-line article on a TV news site:
His funeral home obituary says: "Bushman's career spanned over forty years and included work with defense contractors Hughes Aircraft, General Dynamics, Texas Instruments, and Lockheed Martin. Some of his accomplishments included being on the development team of the Stinger Missile, the F16 Fighter, as well as many other advanced weapons and propulsion systems. At the time of his retirement in 2000, Bushman had 28 patents in his name, many of which contained classified technologies."
More detailed info from other references is needed so that WP:NPOV is met and people can make up their own mind. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 05:13, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
The recent and unfortunate "death bed confession" video of Boyd Bushman sharing the disinformation/hoax he received from an unidentified party who fed him stories and gave him faked photographs of ufos and an alien doll is the most *recent* development, but ultimately *irrelevant* in the life-long career of this reputable innovator within the defense industry who produced at least 28 patents to his name while working at Lockheed. This whole ridiculous issue of an alien doll and such should be confined to a small paragraph relegated to the bottom of the WP. As it stands now, it's like re-writing the Mel Gibson WP and devoting it to the controversy surrounding his drunken arrest and the antisemitic statements he made at the time. If this can't be written responsibly with the proper perspective on this fleeting fad about the alien doll business, then this WP should be deleted entirely for irrelevance, and to spare his family the pain and embarrassment of seeing their recently-deceased loved one and an American patriot portrayed as a public joke. Informedskeptic ( talk) 07:07, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
I figured other testimonials should be shared. I found this particular one to be quite insightful, closely corroborating what Boyd had to share.
The ascension of Jesus is a main tradition in Islam, with only particular Muslim groups having different interpretations.
The day that Jesus was raised to heaven, he left behind nothing but a woolen garment, a slingshot, and two sandals. - No. 77 Hannad ibn al-Sariyy (d. 857). [1]
Ibn Kathir tells us...the Muslims believed: ‘The servant and messenger of God, Jesus, remained with us as long as God willed until God raised him to Himself.’ [2]
"Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised up alive!" (Maryam 33) [3]
Porphyry became one of the most able pagan adversaries of Christianity of his day. His aim was not to disprove the substance of Christianity’s teachings but rather the records within which the teachings are communicated. [4]
Even supposing some Greeks are so foolish as to think that the gods dwell in the statues, even that would be a much purer concept (of religion) than to admit that the Divine Power should descend into the womb of the Virgin Mary, that it became an embryo, and after birth was wrapped in rags, soiled with blood and bile, and even worse. [5] [6]
Boyd Bushman was a senior scientist for Lockheed Martin, in the Fort Worth Division which produced the F-22 stealth and F-16 fighters for the U.S. Air Force. [7] At the time of his retirement in 2000, Bushman had 28 patents in his name, many of which contained classified technologies. [8] [9]
In October 2014 a video testimony of Boyd Bushman went viral, where he claimed to show proof of extraterrestrials living and working at Area 51. [10]
News articles soon released pictures of dolls looking similar to Boyd's images of aliens to answer his claims, but from unsourced origins ( see news articles ). [11] [12] The doll manufacturer quoted in news reports, Halloween FX Props, [13] was started by Guy Kitchell: "In 2009, he started building Halloween props for his home. Family and friends loved the products so he began selling them. That led to more props and more sales and what is now Halloween FX Props, a company that supplies haunted attractions and home haunts and shares the building with Klima." [14] This news article conflicts with the reported date of a doll made by the same manufacturer and offered at Walmart / Kmart in 1997.
In the October 2014 YouTube video, Boyd claims having top-secret clearance and describes evidence apparently forwarded to him by colleagues having direct personal contact and experience with UFOs and aliens at Area 51. [10]
The accounts in the October 2014 video were in the form of descriptions, explanations, pictures of spacecrafts, pictures of alien beings and pictures of unique alien materials. In the video testimony, he speaks about images of alien spacecraft having a heads up display similar to modern human aircraft, but more advanced. Boyd also states the beings held at Area 51 come from a planet called Quintonia, mentioning location in the universe and sharing images of their planet and images of earth from their planet. He mentions how there are two species who stand between four and a half to five feet tall, having five toes and five fingers like humans. Boyd further states the aliens do not communicate verbally but instead through telepathy. He further says there are currently 18 aliens at Area 51 and they can live to be over 200 years old. He shares some photos of an alien who died. He also shares a photo of a friend of his posing with the spirit of the deceased alien, saying their spirit, like that of humans, stays near the body for up to three days, maybe more. Boyd also shares a varied account of the Roswell UFO incident and some other information, like performing anti-gravity experiments on his own with alien materials he knows how to use. [10]
The claims were widely circulated by UFO enthusiast blogs and Oliver Darcy of the Blaze, [15] which stated they were made on the man's "deathbed." [15] The claims were similar in nature to inferences made by Boyd during an earlier appearance he made in the 1999 Discovery Channel program "Billion Dollar Secret", [16] whose premise was to chronicle a purported government UFO coverup. [17] [18] At a running time of 22:50 in the "Billion Dollar Secret," Boyd is interviewed and introduced as a "Lockheed Martin Defense Contractor" and speaks briefly about the subject matter, mentioning a real-world demonstration he did regarding anti-gravity. "If you're interested in anti-gravity, then talk to Bushman, they'd said" writes Nick Cook in The Hunt For Zero Point: Inside The World of Anti-Gravity Technology. [7]
A subsequent inquiry by Quebec news website TVQC reported the photos shown by Boyd Bushman were similar to those of a plastic collectible figure sold by Walmart. [19] This story was also repeated by the San Antonio Express News. [20] Urban legend index Snopes has rated the claim "Former Lockheed Martin engineer Boyd Bushman provided evidence of human contact with alien life before his death in August 2014" as "FALSE", [21] citing a YouTube video showing a model of an alien which looks similar to the alien shown in Boyd's film. [22] A German newspaper Bild reports the opinion "whether Bushman had actually worked at Lockheed Martin could not be confirmed. And the aliens he is shown with are, in all probability, fake. That raises questions about his other statements, as well." [23]
There has been analysis of the alien photos mentioned on a radio broadcast [ citation needed] not ruling out such dolls may have been based on the physiology of authentic aliens.
Boyd Bushman's obituary includes references to his career, his photo and a link to his birth certificate. [8]
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I have asked half a dozen ex-Lockheed ADP people who worked there from the 1950s until the 1990s and none of them have ever heard of this person. How many sources are there for his claims? Paul Suhler ( talk) 05:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I looked at his US5,929,372 patent and the physics are not valid. He talks of a "beam " of magnetic field, magnetic monopoles, and permanent magnets generating "pulses". This man has clearly never had a physics 101 course. 108.184.225.180 ( talk) 17:29, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
http://www.google.com/patents/US5929732
I suggest you go to the United States Patent office website and do search with his name then read the major of the 27 patents in his name, then see that they are tied to Lockheed Martin! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.214.241 ( talk) 06:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
On the patents, he is listed as the inventor and Lockheed Martin as the assignee. When one files a patent, one can nominate anybody that one wishes as the assignee. This does not prove any affiliation between Bushmand and Lockheed Martin. http://patents.justia.com/inventor/boyd-b-bushman 108.184.225.180 ( talk) 17:22, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
If there are in fact 27 patents to this man's name, which he assigned to Lockheed Martin, that in and of itself creates an affiliation between him and Lockheed Martin. (I am not going to check myself, because I don't believe it matters.) However there are three main questions here, and whether he really was a Lockheed Martin employee is only one of them. First: 1) Whether he was an employee of Lockheed Martin; I'm inclined to say if he gave the company 27 patents, he probably was (since that's a huge amount of paperwork to say nothing of the effort actually inventing something). 2) If he was, did he have the kind of job that might conceivably have given him access to be a direct witness to the claims? And 3) How credible is this man? -- Personally, without a whole lot more documentation supporting his credibility, I'm inclined to say that his story is not credible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LrdDimwit ( talk • contribs) 03:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
IF THE PATENTS DOESNT MATTER WHY ARE THEY DELETED FROM THE WIKI PAGE FUCKING ZION MODS
Lockheed Martin would not allow and authorize someone to have their business card that does not work for the company plus they would not put the title under his name of Senior Scientist. Plus Lockheed Martin would not grant the same person to have email address of Boyd.B.Bushman@lmco.com plus have a direct phone land line to his office in their Fort Worth location on the card too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.214.241 ( talk) 06:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
No, but anybody could go to a print shop and print any kind of business card that they want! This does not prove anything. 108.184.225.180 ( talk) 17:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Given that the claims made are so odd and the article has so few references, I'm questioning the accuracy. Autarch ( talk) 20:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
His official business card for LMCO last I saw him was "Chief Scientist Emeritus". Not kidding. This man is very notable, but the article quality is currently poor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.8.120.96 ( talk) 14:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
The link to his website no longer works — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.54.216 ( talk) 07:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
"To date, no evidence denies Boyd's claims." Except for the evidence that denies his claims. I.e: http://www.snopes.com/photos/odd/bushman.asp#xBS1JUeMqG5wkwJH.99 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPQL9qoZ9I http://www.tvqc.com/2014/10/boyd-bushman-ingenieur-lockheed-martin-parle-dovnis-mort — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.51.41.108 ( talk) 05:08, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
This guy was showing a magnet slowing down inside a copper tube. He presented this as forces that no one could explain. The truth was that this was due to the magnetic field that is created by eddie currents created by the original magnetic field of the magnet. I don't understand why there is an article about someone with no credibility at all. Celestial mechanic ( talk) 06:01, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
The claims currently in the article about the alien in the video being revealed as just a toy need further citation too. The article in a San Antonio paper which is said to confirm this hypothesis actually only mentioned it in passing, and doesn't even picture the same doll as the previous article--thus it's misleading to cite it in that context. Also, I had trouble running down any specifics on the doll (a store page at Walmart or Kmart where it is supposed to be sold). The first article says almost nothing about it and provides only a home photo of dubious provenance. While it seems very likely to me that it is indeed a photographed toy, the article currently indicates a level of certainty about specifics which it probably should not based on the sources shown.
(There's also a YouTube video circulating, which the French news article links to at the very bottom. That seems to be the best source, and shows an alien very like the one in the photos. But it indicates said alien toy is rather old, in contrast to the claim that it can currently be had at WalMart. There's also other media and info available on forum threads.)
He was questioned about this in a polygraph test that he passed. See test questions in this article:
My point is not really about the polygraph test. They are not accepted as accurate tests. My point is that he claims to have personally seen aliens. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 21:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected|Boyd Bushman|answered=yes}} reference: Former Lockheed Martin Skunk works Senior Scientist comes out about Antigravity Propulsion Devices and how they tie into what is known as "Singularity" which allow you to move anywhere within the universe instantaneously. Humans have this technology, and have had for more than 50 years
Fang3001 ( talk) 08:53, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
You state that there are no obituaries for Boyd Bushman, yet you don't state how this search was completed. (Web--what sites?, Public Records--where from? etc). However all this is moot as his obituary can easily be found at </ref> http://www.azjournal.com/2014/08/12/boyd-bushman/</ref>
The obituaries found so far have listed the funeral service as being at the Owens Livingston Mortuary in Show Low, Arizona. I did a search and found its site:
It has obituaries sorted alphabetically and by date. Here is "B":
Here is Boyd Bushman's obituary:
It is almost the same as the obituary in the Arizona Journal:
Both have the same photo of him. Here is info on the Arizona Journal:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 03:55, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
The text and photo in the obituary at findagrave.com is an exact copy of the obituary at the Owens Livingston Mortuary site. See:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 04:32, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
The article currently says: "Another source observed there were no obituaries for anyone named 'Boyd Bushman' since the August date of his supposed death, and a person of that name was also not listed in the Social Security Death Index."
That is not very relevant since the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) "includes 93 percent to 96 percent of deaths of individuals aged 65 or older." The quote is from the Wikipedia article on SSDI. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 03:11, 4 November 2014 (UTC
See WP:Reliable sources. I am not judging the merits of what this guy is claiming. It doesn't matter what I believe anyway. I support WP:NPOV. I have only read a little online, and heard something on the radio. I haven't seen any of the videos, and so I don't even know for sure what he is claiming.
I certainly don't trust what is in many articles online. They contradict each other about what he is saying. I am curious about what reliable sources are saying. Currently, there are 14,600 results in this Google News phrase search for "Boyd Bushman".
Primary sources are sometimes allowed on Wikipedia. For example; to verify what he actually said. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 09:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Some help with getting the citations and sources exactly how wiki would like them would be much appreciated. I keep reading what it is asking for but I'm unsure how to proceed. Thanks! ( about citation #8 referring to the book ) HafizHanif ( talk) 21:00, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Article currently only says "the man's evasiveness when asked to confirm details about his educational background."
Here is his educational background according to his obituary at the Owens Livingston Mortuary in Show Low, Arizona:
"He received a Bachelor of Science degree from Brigham Young University, majoring in both math and physics. He also earned an M.B.A. from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor." -- Timeshifter ( talk) 03:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
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In the video, the man claiming to be "Boyd Bushman"
I haven't seen the video. There is a photo of Boyd Bushman though in his obituary at the Owens Livingston Mortuary in Show Low, Arizona. The same photo is also found in the similar obituary in the Arizona Journal. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 03:57, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
You have started 8 new sections in the last 24 hours on the same, or closely related, topics. Can you please combine them? It's impossible to engage in a discussion in this way. BlueSalix ( talk) 04:02, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Article currently says only:
periodically claimed to be a retired senior research engineer with Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, Texas Instruments and Hughes Aircraft.
The reference article for that is an 8-line article on a TV news site:
His funeral home obituary says: "Bushman's career spanned over forty years and included work with defense contractors Hughes Aircraft, General Dynamics, Texas Instruments, and Lockheed Martin. Some of his accomplishments included being on the development team of the Stinger Missile, the F16 Fighter, as well as many other advanced weapons and propulsion systems. At the time of his retirement in 2000, Bushman had 28 patents in his name, many of which contained classified technologies."
More detailed info from other references is needed so that WP:NPOV is met and people can make up their own mind. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 05:13, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
The recent and unfortunate "death bed confession" video of Boyd Bushman sharing the disinformation/hoax he received from an unidentified party who fed him stories and gave him faked photographs of ufos and an alien doll is the most *recent* development, but ultimately *irrelevant* in the life-long career of this reputable innovator within the defense industry who produced at least 28 patents to his name while working at Lockheed. This whole ridiculous issue of an alien doll and such should be confined to a small paragraph relegated to the bottom of the WP. As it stands now, it's like re-writing the Mel Gibson WP and devoting it to the controversy surrounding his drunken arrest and the antisemitic statements he made at the time. If this can't be written responsibly with the proper perspective on this fleeting fad about the alien doll business, then this WP should be deleted entirely for irrelevance, and to spare his family the pain and embarrassment of seeing their recently-deceased loved one and an American patriot portrayed as a public joke. Informedskeptic ( talk) 07:07, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
I figured other testimonials should be shared. I found this particular one to be quite insightful, closely corroborating what Boyd had to share.