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Israel Shahak on Shamir Israel Shahak#Critics fabrication, anti-Semitic polemics, far-left, anti-Zionist, accused Judaism of being "a fundamentally chauvinistic religion."
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Angry Jews in Poland called the incident a “pogrom.” Jozef Pilsudski, who was now Poland’s chief of state, disagreed, “There have been no pogroms in Poland!—nothing but unavoidable accidents.” He told Morgenthau, “A pogrom is a massacre ordered by the government, or not prevented by it when prevention is possible. Among us no wholesale killings of Jews have been permitted.” At another meeting, he told Morgenthau, “The exaggerations of the foreign press concerning what had happened to a relatively small number of Jews has been monstrous—one would think the country drenched with blood, whereas the occurrences have been mere trifles inevitably incident to any conquest.”
As he listened to Pilsudski and others, Morgenthau was struck by the fact that the Poles never spoke of the victims. In his autobiography, he writes:
"Who were these thirty-five victims? They were the leaders of the local Jewish community, the spiritual and moral leaders of the 5,000 Jews in a city, . . the organizers of the charities, the directors of the hospitals, the friends of the poor. And yet, to that incredibly brutal, and even more incredibly stupid, officer who ordered their execution, they were only so many Jews."
Henry Morgenthau, All in a Life-Time (Doubleday, 1922), 371
Ronald Sanders "Shores of Refuge" Shocken Books ISBN: 0805209166
- I don't think that had much to do with consensus; apparently, most of the previous voters were completely unaware of this VfD (and they probably didn't expect it so soon after the first). Yes, the tag was placed on the article (making the vote technically binding, though practically the new vote didn't accomplish anything), but I doubt this was on too many watchlists aside from those people interested in the article and some of those people who were lately involved in the recent deletion and undeletion debacle.
- "Automatic assumptions of bad faith" such as "biting[ly] respon[ding]" by calling numerous editors "all kinds of nasty people" [6], despite extensive rationale provided by those editors? Hmm.
Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Discussion
Quotable quotes
- "It continually puzzles me why people think prefacing an attack with "with all due respect" somehow means it's not an attack - apparently by magic." [7]
- "How difficult is it to add " before and after a passage that you have lifted from another source? Apparently, it's impossible." [8]
- " WP:AGF doesn't mean 'be stupid'." [9]
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File:Modern anti.pdf File:Nec cruel.pdf
Israel Shahak on Shamir Israel Shahak#Critics fabrication, anti-Semitic polemics, far-left, anti-Zionist, accused Judaism of being "a fundamentally chauvinistic religion."
83.24.240.134 ( talk · contribs) br. habm. 83.31.168.33 ( talk · contribs) hegyon
Angry Jews in Poland called the incident a “pogrom.” Jozef Pilsudski, who was now Poland’s chief of state, disagreed, “There have been no pogroms in Poland!—nothing but unavoidable accidents.” He told Morgenthau, “A pogrom is a massacre ordered by the government, or not prevented by it when prevention is possible. Among us no wholesale killings of Jews have been permitted.” At another meeting, he told Morgenthau, “The exaggerations of the foreign press concerning what had happened to a relatively small number of Jews has been monstrous—one would think the country drenched with blood, whereas the occurrences have been mere trifles inevitably incident to any conquest.”
As he listened to Pilsudski and others, Morgenthau was struck by the fact that the Poles never spoke of the victims. In his autobiography, he writes:
"Who were these thirty-five victims? They were the leaders of the local Jewish community, the spiritual and moral leaders of the 5,000 Jews in a city, . . the organizers of the charities, the directors of the hospitals, the friends of the poor. And yet, to that incredibly brutal, and even more incredibly stupid, officer who ordered their execution, they were only so many Jews."
Henry Morgenthau, All in a Life-Time (Doubleday, 1922), 371
Ronald Sanders "Shores of Refuge" Shocken Books ISBN: 0805209166
- I don't think that had much to do with consensus; apparently, most of the previous voters were completely unaware of this VfD (and they probably didn't expect it so soon after the first). Yes, the tag was placed on the article (making the vote technically binding, though practically the new vote didn't accomplish anything), but I doubt this was on too many watchlists aside from those people interested in the article and some of those people who were lately involved in the recent deletion and undeletion debacle.
- "Automatic assumptions of bad faith" such as "biting[ly] respon[ding]" by calling numerous editors "all kinds of nasty people" [6], despite extensive rationale provided by those editors? Hmm.
Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Discussion
Quotable quotes
- "It continually puzzles me why people think prefacing an attack with "with all due respect" somehow means it's not an attack - apparently by magic." [7]
- "How difficult is it to add " before and after a passage that you have lifted from another source? Apparently, it's impossible." [8]
- " WP:AGF doesn't mean 'be stupid'." [9]