Quite a few users have been here too long. They need to be made sysops. Most have unanimous support and have been here for at least a week, (i think) Green Mountain 23:00, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I'm puzzled. My nomination for admin has been at the 80% level for two days on a large vote (32 out of 40 in support). Even among the bureaucrats, 4 of 5 voting support my nomination, yet it has languished for 15 days. Isn't this a rather unusual circumstance on Wikipedia? Cecropia 07:38, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
With 8 votes opposing I don't think there's any way this can reach consensus. anthony (see warning) 02:18, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
As I made the decision about Fennec, I don't want to be the one deciding on this too, so I left it for the other bureaucrats. I'm quite surprised none of them have done anything. Has anyone contacted any of them? Angela . 19:55, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)
A suggestion, to both Cecropia and the community at large, from someone who has not voted on the nomination. Clear the decks, wait a week or so, and start over. Based on the statements above, and the bureaucrats who have passed over this nomination to create other admins (see Wikipedia:Bureaucrat log), at least 4 bureaucrats are not prepared to say this nomination has a consensus. It may be close to a consensus, but it doesn't seem to clear the bar, wherever the bar may be.
Cecropia, you have a lot of supporters, and I'm sure one of them would be happy to renominate you later. For various reasons, there is a sizable bloc opposing the nomination as well. Personally, I believe that in finding consensus, it is often more important to avoid overriding objections than it is to act based on the demands of a large majority. I think that if you would gracefully accept that this nomination has been unsuccessful, and wait for another, future opposition might be less vehement, and you could earn respect and even support from those who have been observing. -- Michael Snow 18:20, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I fail to see what all the fuss is about. Can the person in question be trusted to use the mighty "delete" and "block" buttons? Well, you only have to get 70% on your written driver's test to be licensed for a machine that kills over 40,000 people a year (in the USA). This is not life or death: it's a project to create an encyclopedia. -- Uncle Ed 19:21, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
If someone is getting twenty or thirty "support" comments, and no oppose or "other" comments, do we still need to wait a full 7 days? I'm itching to press the button for Michael Snow! -- Uncle Ed 12:29, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Since 7 days is the established minimum period for votes, I believe we should stick to it in all cases. Some people may be relying on that fact, and only check out the activity on RfA once a week or so. It's kind of Ed to be so eager on my behalf, but I ask for a little patience. Whether I become an admin today, tomorrow, next month, or never at all is not such a big deal, but it would be a big deal to me if I felt the process hadn't been followed properly - I'd feel like I should be de-sysoped and go through the process again. (As to my identity, I assert that this is my real name, but you may want more proof than that.) -- Michael Snow 20:40, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I would like to discuss the nature of end times for voting.
In general, bureaucrats (including me) have taken some liberty with the end times, often closing the matter some hours or more early, especially when the consensus is clear. Speaking for myself, I do this when I know I will be away from Wikipedia when the nomination end time is reached, usually as a courtesy to the nominee so that they need not wait an excessive time for promotion. I expect that others' reasoning is similar.
I wonder whether this remains wise. Since there are now a fair number of active bureaucrats, it seems to me that it may be best to wait until the end time for the nomination has actually passed before promoting or removing a nomination. Given the number of bureaucrats who followe RFA, the likelihood that a new admin will have to wait more than a day or two for promotion seems low.
User:Biekko recently brought this up WRT their own nomination at User talk:Cecropia and I thought it wise to raise a discussion of the general case.
The Uninvited Co., Inc. 15:12, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Given that Wikipedia was down for a day, shouldn't the votes be extended by a day? Not that I much care for myself — I've already broken the record :P — but for others they might like that. - Ta bu shi da yu 28 June 2005 05:22 (UTC)
The instructions say that "Nominations remain for seven days" but don't say seven days from when. It appears that some people set the ending time as soon the nomination is created, others start from when the nominee accepts and others seem to be different from either of those. For both clarity and fairness, I would suggest that the sentence be revised to read "Nominations remain for seven days from the time the nomination is posted on this page". That time can easily be checked in the page history. -- DS1953 23:09, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Recently, we had a dust up about Hamster Sandwich's RfA being prematurely closed due to clerical error in properly dating/timing his RfA. Well, we've had another RfA that was improperly dated/timed and was closed two days early. This one is considerably less problematic as it closed at 27-0-0. Observe:
Because of the Hamster Sandwich situation, I've been watching RfAs more closely now to make sure that their end dates and times are correct. My general rule of thumb for modifying them has been that if it is off by more than an hour from when it was actually posted to WP:RFA, then I've been modifying the end date/time to reflect when it was actually posted. I would encourage other people to do the same, and to bureaucrats please pay close attention to when an RfA was posted to WP:RFA to determine the proper close time so we can avoid future problems in this area. Thank you. -- Durin 14:17, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
It's stuff like this that has made me decide to start living on UTC time. :) Jdavidb ( talk • contribs) 17:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Durin...and others who are following this discussion still... In the future, perhaps it would be best to bring this sort of issue to the fore on the project page itself (on the individual RFA's page, as obnoxious as that might seem, sometimes that's what it takes to get attention...just don't use flashing text!)... I don't actually see anything improper in this, since the way I read "the rules", there's no requirement that RfA's actually have to be posted to this page...just that they can't be posted until the nominee has accepted. I would say that your note about the 7th vs 9th is valid most especially if the nominee feels they're being shortchanged by an "early" close date. I realize my unopposed proposed solution to the "close dating" problem in response to the HS thing and the ensuing discussion, was that the absolute 7-day deadline should be determined by when the nomination was listed on WP:RFA, but the fact of the matter is that, while my proposal didn't cause any waves, it also failed to garner thunderclaps of accolades. So. I'm going to make a quasi-policy proposal here and now: when an RfA nomination is accepted, the _nominator_ (I had to list my own) is required to list it on WP:RFA. When that happens, someone or someones, have the duty of determining whether or not the nomination has been properly accepted (I'm assuming someone is already doing this, given that it's a requirement for listing!), and calculating the closing date, at that time. That way, any discussion about the closing date, or any disagreement, can be handled beforehand rather than afterwards. The HamSan thing is old news...I chalk it up to human error. The above-referenced case, however, is something that could have been resolved long before the closing time, if even just by leaving a note "to the closing bureaucrat: there's a dispute about the closing time of this RfA". Comentario? Tom e r talk 09:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I didn't see anything in the rules, but is there a precedent for extending the length of an RfA? I'm not requesting anything at the moment, just wondering. -- mboverload @ 05:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Should the timing at the top of RfAs say ending or due to end? Thing is, many RfAs finish early, and so the statement isn't true. Any comments? -- Alex ( Talk) 12:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
In light of the controversy on the extension, would anyone mind if the RFA template was changed to say "ending no sooner than XX:XX"? Ral315 ( talk) 15:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Quite a few users have been here too long. They need to be made sysops. Most have unanimous support and have been here for at least a week, (i think) Green Mountain 23:00, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I'm puzzled. My nomination for admin has been at the 80% level for two days on a large vote (32 out of 40 in support). Even among the bureaucrats, 4 of 5 voting support my nomination, yet it has languished for 15 days. Isn't this a rather unusual circumstance on Wikipedia? Cecropia 07:38, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
With 8 votes opposing I don't think there's any way this can reach consensus. anthony (see warning) 02:18, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
As I made the decision about Fennec, I don't want to be the one deciding on this too, so I left it for the other bureaucrats. I'm quite surprised none of them have done anything. Has anyone contacted any of them? Angela . 19:55, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)
A suggestion, to both Cecropia and the community at large, from someone who has not voted on the nomination. Clear the decks, wait a week or so, and start over. Based on the statements above, and the bureaucrats who have passed over this nomination to create other admins (see Wikipedia:Bureaucrat log), at least 4 bureaucrats are not prepared to say this nomination has a consensus. It may be close to a consensus, but it doesn't seem to clear the bar, wherever the bar may be.
Cecropia, you have a lot of supporters, and I'm sure one of them would be happy to renominate you later. For various reasons, there is a sizable bloc opposing the nomination as well. Personally, I believe that in finding consensus, it is often more important to avoid overriding objections than it is to act based on the demands of a large majority. I think that if you would gracefully accept that this nomination has been unsuccessful, and wait for another, future opposition might be less vehement, and you could earn respect and even support from those who have been observing. -- Michael Snow 18:20, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I fail to see what all the fuss is about. Can the person in question be trusted to use the mighty "delete" and "block" buttons? Well, you only have to get 70% on your written driver's test to be licensed for a machine that kills over 40,000 people a year (in the USA). This is not life or death: it's a project to create an encyclopedia. -- Uncle Ed 19:21, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
If someone is getting twenty or thirty "support" comments, and no oppose or "other" comments, do we still need to wait a full 7 days? I'm itching to press the button for Michael Snow! -- Uncle Ed 12:29, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Since 7 days is the established minimum period for votes, I believe we should stick to it in all cases. Some people may be relying on that fact, and only check out the activity on RfA once a week or so. It's kind of Ed to be so eager on my behalf, but I ask for a little patience. Whether I become an admin today, tomorrow, next month, or never at all is not such a big deal, but it would be a big deal to me if I felt the process hadn't been followed properly - I'd feel like I should be de-sysoped and go through the process again. (As to my identity, I assert that this is my real name, but you may want more proof than that.) -- Michael Snow 20:40, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I would like to discuss the nature of end times for voting.
In general, bureaucrats (including me) have taken some liberty with the end times, often closing the matter some hours or more early, especially when the consensus is clear. Speaking for myself, I do this when I know I will be away from Wikipedia when the nomination end time is reached, usually as a courtesy to the nominee so that they need not wait an excessive time for promotion. I expect that others' reasoning is similar.
I wonder whether this remains wise. Since there are now a fair number of active bureaucrats, it seems to me that it may be best to wait until the end time for the nomination has actually passed before promoting or removing a nomination. Given the number of bureaucrats who followe RFA, the likelihood that a new admin will have to wait more than a day or two for promotion seems low.
User:Biekko recently brought this up WRT their own nomination at User talk:Cecropia and I thought it wise to raise a discussion of the general case.
The Uninvited Co., Inc. 15:12, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Given that Wikipedia was down for a day, shouldn't the votes be extended by a day? Not that I much care for myself — I've already broken the record :P — but for others they might like that. - Ta bu shi da yu 28 June 2005 05:22 (UTC)
The instructions say that "Nominations remain for seven days" but don't say seven days from when. It appears that some people set the ending time as soon the nomination is created, others start from when the nominee accepts and others seem to be different from either of those. For both clarity and fairness, I would suggest that the sentence be revised to read "Nominations remain for seven days from the time the nomination is posted on this page". That time can easily be checked in the page history. -- DS1953 23:09, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Recently, we had a dust up about Hamster Sandwich's RfA being prematurely closed due to clerical error in properly dating/timing his RfA. Well, we've had another RfA that was improperly dated/timed and was closed two days early. This one is considerably less problematic as it closed at 27-0-0. Observe:
Because of the Hamster Sandwich situation, I've been watching RfAs more closely now to make sure that their end dates and times are correct. My general rule of thumb for modifying them has been that if it is off by more than an hour from when it was actually posted to WP:RFA, then I've been modifying the end date/time to reflect when it was actually posted. I would encourage other people to do the same, and to bureaucrats please pay close attention to when an RfA was posted to WP:RFA to determine the proper close time so we can avoid future problems in this area. Thank you. -- Durin 14:17, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
It's stuff like this that has made me decide to start living on UTC time. :) Jdavidb ( talk • contribs) 17:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Durin...and others who are following this discussion still... In the future, perhaps it would be best to bring this sort of issue to the fore on the project page itself (on the individual RFA's page, as obnoxious as that might seem, sometimes that's what it takes to get attention...just don't use flashing text!)... I don't actually see anything improper in this, since the way I read "the rules", there's no requirement that RfA's actually have to be posted to this page...just that they can't be posted until the nominee has accepted. I would say that your note about the 7th vs 9th is valid most especially if the nominee feels they're being shortchanged by an "early" close date. I realize my unopposed proposed solution to the "close dating" problem in response to the HS thing and the ensuing discussion, was that the absolute 7-day deadline should be determined by when the nomination was listed on WP:RFA, but the fact of the matter is that, while my proposal didn't cause any waves, it also failed to garner thunderclaps of accolades. So. I'm going to make a quasi-policy proposal here and now: when an RfA nomination is accepted, the _nominator_ (I had to list my own) is required to list it on WP:RFA. When that happens, someone or someones, have the duty of determining whether or not the nomination has been properly accepted (I'm assuming someone is already doing this, given that it's a requirement for listing!), and calculating the closing date, at that time. That way, any discussion about the closing date, or any disagreement, can be handled beforehand rather than afterwards. The HamSan thing is old news...I chalk it up to human error. The above-referenced case, however, is something that could have been resolved long before the closing time, if even just by leaving a note "to the closing bureaucrat: there's a dispute about the closing time of this RfA". Comentario? Tom e r talk 09:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I didn't see anything in the rules, but is there a precedent for extending the length of an RfA? I'm not requesting anything at the moment, just wondering. -- mboverload @ 05:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Should the timing at the top of RfAs say ending or due to end? Thing is, many RfAs finish early, and so the statement isn't true. Any comments? -- Alex ( Talk) 12:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
In light of the controversy on the extension, would anyone mind if the RFA template was changed to say "ending no sooner than XX:XX"? Ral315 ( talk) 15:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)