I think the situation is a follows. All other styles, with the exception of owari-zukuri, involve just one building, but hachiman-zukuri consists in a very typical layout, and therefore the same thing can be of one style and still be part of a hachiman-zukuri complex. Since all sources I have, five in all, include it, I will too, perhaps with an explanation. Today I finally finished the big job I was working at and sshould be able to work more.
About Sumiyoshi, Jinja, you are right, it does have 1 ken on one side and two on the other.
I hope you don't mind this daily to-and-fro of messages. Let me know if you do, and I will cut it out. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 06:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I decided to stop adding stuff. The page is ballooning, and I think it is best to clean it up, give it a final form and put it on line. then I can add to it when there is a need. Take a look and tell me what you think should be added. Be blunt. the photo I chose for Sumiyoshi style isn't perhaps perfect, but I think it's good enough.
I took a look at your shrine NT article and there's lots of good stuff in it. I opted however NOT to copy, but rather write from scratch for honesty. Tomorrow I will start finishing the article up. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 06:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I fixed the National Treasure list in Shinto shrine. Please revert if I did something stupid. Actually I am not sure it is necessary to have such a long (complete) list in the Shinto shrine article. I also had a look over at User:Urashimataro/Hayashi Eitetsu which looks very good and is definitely ready to be released. Just a couple of comments/questions/suggestions:
Actually turned out to be quite some comments, but nothing serious. Good job! bamse ( talk) 11:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the really thorough check. The NT list's length is fine, I think, it isn't overly long.
I won't have time today to rewrite the article, but will tomorrow. I am planning to cut it up for the Shinto shrines article (including only the two most common styles, plus the three ancient ones (Taisha, Sumiyoshi and Ise), important for historical reasons. I will paste the whole thing in the Shinto Shrine artchitecture article. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 00:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Just created Tamagaki. Would be great if you could have a look over it. bamse ( talk) 19:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Changed unbarked to barked lumber fence (黒木の玉垣, kuroki no tamagaki?) made of unpeeled or unstripped boards or logs. I hope I am right.
I was afraid of that ... :-(
Urashima Tarō (
talk) 13:55, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Today I looked for a replacement for the picture of the Itsukushima Shrine purification hall in the gallery, and found none. Have you one to propose?
I should be through perhaps by tomorrow night. BTW, I moved the list of stubs to make to the top, where they are not in the way.
Also, what should we do of all those red links (
Hiyoshi-zukuri,
Hachiman-zukuri, and so on? Use redirects to the appropriate section of the
Shinto Architecture article by means of anchors? Or paste the relative sections in independent articles, expanding them little by little?
Urashima Tarō (
talk) 09:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Created Sandō during a break of work on the styles. Found lots of errors, I haven't finished yet. Please take a look at Sandō, if you have time. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 06:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
1. Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gū's sandō in Kamakura has lanterns at regular intervals over its entire length.
2. Omote-sandō was originally just the shrine's sandō's name, then it became the name of the community around it, then the name of the main street, Omotesandō Dōri. Is this what you wanted to know?
About Omotesandō Dōri, I don't think so, but I don't know. Omotesandō Dōri and the actual sandō make an angle, they are not on a line. Still, it could be. If find out, I will let you know.
About the question, correct (I think). The torii marks the beginning of today's sandō. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 22:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Good point. Dunno. At this point, I don't think so.
Today, again beating around the bush, I created the article Sessha, Massha and relative redirects. It turned out longer than I thought. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 07:13, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Take a look at the Shinto architecture article. Urashima Tarō. That article is terrible. I pasted in my article as it is in the Shinto shrine article as a section ( here), so at least it is in a more visible position. I will expand it and fix it there. Take a look at it, and see if it's OK. Tomorrow, if you agree, after finishing it I will proceed creating redirects from each style name to the relative section of the article. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 07:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree. The Shinto architecture article is terrible. Actually I thought you were going to paste your article in there instead of into a section in Shinto shrine where it might be a bit too detailed for the general reader. For the time being it is very fine, but as Shinto shrine grows, it might be necessary to move content out to Shinto architecture. At that point it would be enough to mention just the parts (torii, lanterns, honden, haiden) and styles (zukuri) in the Shinto shrine article and have the details in Shinto architecture. Feel free to object.
Only a few commnents/suggestions (on the section in Shinto shrine) since it reads very nicely:
bamse ( talk) 10:14, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Made the changes.
About Shinto architecture, I agree 100% with you. The problem is that the article was written few hours ago. I cannot replace it without causing an edit war. He would surely complain loudly. But is a new user and may well get bored and abandon the article. In that case, we can hopefully move in. We will see. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 12:46, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Fixed the references (got rid of those segments) and replaced them with betterstuff. That article I wrote a long time ago. I haven't left a message for Ayronadas, but based on what he wrote and when he wrote it I think he is the author of the rest as well. The article is so bad I wouldn't know what to say. The writer spells torii as Torri.
His timing was incredible: the article had been abandoned for ages, then two people prepare long expansions at the same time ...
Tomorrow I will make redirects for the various -zukuri to sections of the article. I haven't decided what to do then. Did you see the article Sessha, Massha I wrote? I would like to write an article about Important Cultural Properties, which is sorely needed. Have you got ideas? We could write it together, if you have time and interest. A little each, or a sectio each. I don't know how, but we could try. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 09:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I think the situation is a follows. All other styles, with the exception of owari-zukuri, involve just one building, but hachiman-zukuri consists in a very typical layout, and therefore the same thing can be of one style and still be part of a hachiman-zukuri complex. Since all sources I have, five in all, include it, I will too, perhaps with an explanation. Today I finally finished the big job I was working at and sshould be able to work more.
About Sumiyoshi, Jinja, you are right, it does have 1 ken on one side and two on the other.
I hope you don't mind this daily to-and-fro of messages. Let me know if you do, and I will cut it out. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 06:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I decided to stop adding stuff. The page is ballooning, and I think it is best to clean it up, give it a final form and put it on line. then I can add to it when there is a need. Take a look and tell me what you think should be added. Be blunt. the photo I chose for Sumiyoshi style isn't perhaps perfect, but I think it's good enough.
I took a look at your shrine NT article and there's lots of good stuff in it. I opted however NOT to copy, but rather write from scratch for honesty. Tomorrow I will start finishing the article up. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 06:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I fixed the National Treasure list in Shinto shrine. Please revert if I did something stupid. Actually I am not sure it is necessary to have such a long (complete) list in the Shinto shrine article. I also had a look over at User:Urashimataro/Hayashi Eitetsu which looks very good and is definitely ready to be released. Just a couple of comments/questions/suggestions:
Actually turned out to be quite some comments, but nothing serious. Good job! bamse ( talk) 11:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the really thorough check. The NT list's length is fine, I think, it isn't overly long.
I won't have time today to rewrite the article, but will tomorrow. I am planning to cut it up for the Shinto shrines article (including only the two most common styles, plus the three ancient ones (Taisha, Sumiyoshi and Ise), important for historical reasons. I will paste the whole thing in the Shinto Shrine artchitecture article. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 00:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Just created Tamagaki. Would be great if you could have a look over it. bamse ( talk) 19:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Changed unbarked to barked lumber fence (黒木の玉垣, kuroki no tamagaki?) made of unpeeled or unstripped boards or logs. I hope I am right.
I was afraid of that ... :-(
Urashima Tarō (
talk) 13:55, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Today I looked for a replacement for the picture of the Itsukushima Shrine purification hall in the gallery, and found none. Have you one to propose?
I should be through perhaps by tomorrow night. BTW, I moved the list of stubs to make to the top, where they are not in the way.
Also, what should we do of all those red links (
Hiyoshi-zukuri,
Hachiman-zukuri, and so on? Use redirects to the appropriate section of the
Shinto Architecture article by means of anchors? Or paste the relative sections in independent articles, expanding them little by little?
Urashima Tarō (
talk) 09:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Created Sandō during a break of work on the styles. Found lots of errors, I haven't finished yet. Please take a look at Sandō, if you have time. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 06:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
1. Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gū's sandō in Kamakura has lanterns at regular intervals over its entire length.
2. Omote-sandō was originally just the shrine's sandō's name, then it became the name of the community around it, then the name of the main street, Omotesandō Dōri. Is this what you wanted to know?
About Omotesandō Dōri, I don't think so, but I don't know. Omotesandō Dōri and the actual sandō make an angle, they are not on a line. Still, it could be. If find out, I will let you know.
About the question, correct (I think). The torii marks the beginning of today's sandō. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 22:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Good point. Dunno. At this point, I don't think so.
Today, again beating around the bush, I created the article Sessha, Massha and relative redirects. It turned out longer than I thought. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 07:13, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Take a look at the Shinto architecture article. Urashima Tarō. That article is terrible. I pasted in my article as it is in the Shinto shrine article as a section ( here), so at least it is in a more visible position. I will expand it and fix it there. Take a look at it, and see if it's OK. Tomorrow, if you agree, after finishing it I will proceed creating redirects from each style name to the relative section of the article. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 07:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree. The Shinto architecture article is terrible. Actually I thought you were going to paste your article in there instead of into a section in Shinto shrine where it might be a bit too detailed for the general reader. For the time being it is very fine, but as Shinto shrine grows, it might be necessary to move content out to Shinto architecture. At that point it would be enough to mention just the parts (torii, lanterns, honden, haiden) and styles (zukuri) in the Shinto shrine article and have the details in Shinto architecture. Feel free to object.
Only a few commnents/suggestions (on the section in Shinto shrine) since it reads very nicely:
bamse ( talk) 10:14, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Made the changes.
About Shinto architecture, I agree 100% with you. The problem is that the article was written few hours ago. I cannot replace it without causing an edit war. He would surely complain loudly. But is a new user and may well get bored and abandon the article. In that case, we can hopefully move in. We will see. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 12:46, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Fixed the references (got rid of those segments) and replaced them with betterstuff. That article I wrote a long time ago. I haven't left a message for Ayronadas, but based on what he wrote and when he wrote it I think he is the author of the rest as well. The article is so bad I wouldn't know what to say. The writer spells torii as Torri.
His timing was incredible: the article had been abandoned for ages, then two people prepare long expansions at the same time ...
Tomorrow I will make redirects for the various -zukuri to sections of the article. I haven't decided what to do then. Did you see the article Sessha, Massha I wrote? I would like to write an article about Important Cultural Properties, which is sorely needed. Have you got ideas? We could write it together, if you have time and interest. A little each, or a sectio each. I don't know how, but we could try. Urashima Tarō ( talk) 09:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC)