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As I am currently blocked from defending myself at WP:ANI (here), I am making alonger statement here so it can be read by those admins and those following the issues relating to the British Isles naming dispute on the Wikipedia.
Thank you for your patience. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 04:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Which article did Bj replace 'British Isles' in, without going to BISE first?
GoodDay (
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Looie496 made a very serious procedural mistake (there was no Arbcom sanction) --- and misinterpretation. And yet he block appears to be based on his own further interpretation.
I agree "saying you are a stupid liar" is "as uncivil as you can get" but I did not say it. It is as simple at that. I address a difficult situation, in a difficult context of which Looie496 knows little ... in a formal, polite and civil manner. I really did.
Bjmullan could easily have doubled check on Google before entering an error into the Wikipedia. He did not. That is the sort of integrity I would expect of a Wikipedian --- BEFORE --- they made a edit in an area strewn with POVs and laid the onus of proof onto others.
Contributing to an Encyclopedia also requires some applied intelligence. I am sure Bjmullan is intelligent. The question is, did he chose to apply it? Now, anyone considering Satellite Broadcasting in the British Isles for 3 seconds --- least of all someone involved in along term political dispute over it --- would realise that any signal to Britain and Ireland is going to hit the Isle of Man (which is in neither). Therefore, to change a correct "British Isles" to an incorrect "Britain and Ireland" --- AGAINST THE SANCTION --- could be a a bad faith edit.
In response to TOFWR, think again about the accuracy of the content. Satellite Broadcasting has two parts, the signal --- which can goes everywhere --- and the marketing of that signal. In the case of a company, we are not taking about satellite broadcasting per se but the commercial marketing of that signal ... which according to the company report was to the British Isles.
Again, I did NOT say "Mullan's edit was a bad faith edit". I said, " In my opinion, Mullan's edit ...". In the professional circles to which I am used, that is applying civility in an area of disagreement. It is suggesting that I could have been wrong. I spoke in general about intelligence and integrity. I did not say, "Bjmullan is being stupid and has no integrity" --- which would most certainly have been uncivil.
Lastly, in every legal or legalistic procedure I know, "truth" is a pretty good defence. In this case,
I think we need to our eye on the issue of accurate content, value it and give it the first priority. Can we focus the discussion on that rather than what one individual imagines what another individual, whom he has never met, has said?
The logic for this is based on Bjmullan history in the area of British Irish naming dispute, and his direct interest in my editing. In short, it takes two to tango. Bjmullan has time and time again played a support roll in HighKing British-Irish naming dispute, doing exactly what he has done in this case. If requested, I am prepared to do the work to evidence this by way of diffs. Most people involved know his position well.
Honestly folks, the British Isles naming dispute has gone well beyond normal standards of "assuming good faith". It has become a contest or Wiki-war with its roots in a nationalistic political dispute going back several hundred years.
I will happily accept defeat on the matter and remove myself if he is fairly taken out of it as well for his part in stirring up this drama. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 03:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Triton, I've copied your submission to ANI as requested. Good luck with it. LemonMonday Talk 17:42, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
All this talk of "anger", "battle" and "incivility" is a projection and a distraction.
Thank you Gimmetoo. Yes, I was observing TB01. I did not edit war and yet Bjmullan --- who reported my comments here --- did break the sanction and has walked away Scot free.
People, I am perfectly calm. I am also a grown up who writes in a formal manner. I know how to be uncivil. I chose not to be. Yet a new admin decided --- on the basis of an interpretation only --- decides that I was. I offer to you that it was simple inexperience or over-enthusiasm on his behalf and an overreaction which I do not hold against him. However, I do still suggest that Bjmullan's reporting was a deliberate and tactical move within the greater British Isles naming dispute rather than a good faith one and can provide the evidence if requested.
One of the comments that has been made before is that all the blocks, bans and sanctions that are being thrown around in this dispute are one sided. Here we have another case where one editor breaks a sanction inserting Republic of Irelan d and it is overlooked and another editor defending the correct use of British Isles (from good references) raises the issue, and is banned.
One of the problems with Cailil's original sanction is that it was not well defined, that its real meaning was hidden. The term "incivility" is too broad, open to abuseful misinterpretation and not helpful for new admins.
In my opinion, and please allow me to be open and honest, Cailil's original sanction was really as simple as, "Stop pointing out that the editors removing the term "British Isles" are Irish republicans or nationalists ... even if they self-disclose their nationalist sentiments on their user or talk pages". Whereas I do not think that I have really been "uncivil", it is true that I did repeatedly point out that the editors removing the term "British Isles", and campaigning against its use, are Irish republicans or nationalists, and I stopped.
As an aside, I do think that discussions at ANI should be "without prejudice" (in its legal meaning), exempt from petty interpretations of "incivility" and not permissible as further evidence against an individual --- It is impossible to discuss an issue without discussing an issue, e.g. that there are nationalist agenda's at play here which need to be taken into consideration and discussed at a place like this. I do not know where is the correct place is.
"And for clarity TR was given the chance to make a redaction of that edit ... Cailil talk 16:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)"
Actually, no. I made one small edit, placed one comment, and was working on a different response to the ongoing discussion altogether at which point I found myself blocked.
One question. As you are the one who defined my ban --- whilst a false but prejudicial checkuser was ongoing and I was blocked from defending myself --- can I ask if it is truly punitively "uncivil" to bring into consideration that so many of the individuals involved in this attack against me are self-disclosed Irish or of Irish descent?
Please note, I am politely asking permission to raise this issue here first --- not raising it.
Thank you. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 05:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Latest material copied as requested. LemonMonday Talk 10:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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I have read and agree with all of the policy pages drawn to my attention regarding the "Commonsense", "Good Faith", "Civility", "NOT" and other policy pages :What I am requesting here is an unblock on the basis of a Procedural defense. :Given the severity of the block, and clear procedural error, I am responding to this in a serious manner. :* As stated, the blocking admin Looie496 is a very recent admin (see RfA Oct 11 2010). :* Looie497 prematurely and unilaterally found me "guilty" and erroneously "sentenced" me to a one year ban for a far worse "crime" than I actually committed, a "crime" against an enforcement by an arbitration decision. :* There was no such enforcement an arbitration decision. :As Looie497 has since changed this, I am reverting this page to his original "verdict". I consider this evidence that in his mind something much worse was happening and that my blocking was premature as there is still ongoing discussion at WP:ANI where I should be allowed to defend myself. :Actual Sanction :Looking at the actual sanction at Wikipedia Task Force for the British Isles, it states that any editor who adds or removes the term "British Isles" ... or who edit-wars over such addition or removal, may be added to the list of topic-banned editors. Obviously, I did not add or remove the term "British Isles" as it is against my sanction. :* Remarkably, we have to note that the user Bjmullan who reported my alleged "offence" did actually "add, remove or edit-war" with a new user over the term "British Isles" (see here, [2]) --- who made surely, an accurate and good faith edit inline with easily available references --- re-entering into the Wikipedia a factual error that BSkyB only broadcasts to the UK and Ireland. :According to the British Sky Broadcasting company report, ::"This constitutes the Annual Report of British Sky Broadcasting Group plc (the Distributed Channels includes the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands". [3]. :Summary :The position we have at present is that despite evidence of a continued campaign to remove even accurate uses of the term "British Isles" against sanctions, we find ourselves in the position where ::a) the individual who knowingly broke that sanction to remove the term (and reported me) is free to continue editing ::b) the individual who point out the factual error politely and formally in context is banned for one year. :In my comments to the community, I politely addressed the individual breaking a sanction with the politeness of an honorific title yet my action is considered "uncivil". Noting his and my last interaction with Dr Keirnan on the Elizabeth II topic, here [4], you will see I was again careful to use honorific titles and ask permission before asking personal questions, for example, here [5]. :Consequently, I genuinely find it difficult to understand why I am considered to be so uncivil on a website where even administrators who have banned me are allowed to use profanities on their own pages, and hurl abuse at others directly. :Please note :As background information to this incident, please note that: :a) immediately prior to being blocked I was also attacked with a false sockpuppet accusation by these individuals in which my accuser Bjmullan was noted to engaged in editing warring precisely over my edits and these issues. It is not new. :b) as I have mentioned before, these banning and blockings to all rather appear to be onesided in the British Isles. :c) I am new to these appeals and the bureaucracy o the Wikipedia in general, and I am still struggling with the software. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 04:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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You were told "You are being placed under a behavioral editing restriction. This account may be blocked if it is used to make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith." Subsequently you posted a message which more than one administrator judges to be uncivil and a personal attack. It is as simple as that, and it is not helpful to confuse the issue with numerous other matters which, whether true or false, are not pertinent to the reason for your block. In particular, I suggest you read WP:NOTTHEM. JamesBWatson ( talk) 13:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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For the record, as this is current under discussion, this was new admin Looie496's original erroneous block. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 04:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Notice to administrators: In a 2010 decision, the Committee held that "Administrators are prohibited from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except: (a) with the written authorization of the Committee, or (b) following a clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors at a community discussion noticeboard (such as WP:AN or WP:ANI). If consensus in such discussions is hard to judge or unclear, the parties should submit a request for clarification on the proper page. Any administrator that overturns an enforcement action outside of these circumstances shall be subject to appropriate sanctions, up to and including desysopping, at the discretion of the Committee."
This was his later revised block after I raised the issue of his error. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 04:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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Your account has been blocked for 1 year for violation of your British Isles civility parole ( WP:GS/BI) in this edit. An editor who can't make three edits after coming off a one-month block without major incivility is not going to be able to contribute here. Looie496 ( talk) 05:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I have restored the correct blocking template above. Switching it again is likely to get talk page access removed. -- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 12:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Let me clarify something. The direct cause of the block was the line "It takes no degree of intelligence or integrity to surmise that...". This is an indirect way of saying you are a stupid liar -- it's about as uncivil as you can get. An editor who can't even recognize that such a statement is uncivil does not belong on Wikipedia. And this was the third edit after coming off a one-month block. There is really no room to move forward here unless TR demonstrates an understanding of why the statement was uncivil. Looie496 ( talk) 16:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
SarekofVulcan, you have before messed around with my talk page during an ANI discussion about before, and blocked access disallowing me to defend myself.
I would like to ask you politely not to do so. You either seem not to understand what was being said, or are seeking to provoke the situation further as you did edit-warring with me as I tried to develop the British Manual of Style pages. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 04:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
TFOWR, my friend, I don't live online or on the Wikipedia all day. You seem to be spending ten hours a day on this website. I cannot keep up. I sleep 8 hours when I can and, unlike others I suspect, I have to go to work in the real world. I don't know how and where to follow all the page changes, discussions and reporting that go on, as others appear to be able to. I guess am a good bit older than many of you. I don't even know how to report someone or where, and it is really not in my nature to.
What I remember is Cailil pushing the one month block through very quickly through before I responded to it --- even after I politely requested that the accusation wait until the bogus Checkuser was complete, my request not even being acknowledged. I was blocked from defending myself by Sarek of Vulcan, I think, had my talk page reverted to hide comments I was working on at the time etc. I see that Sarek of Vulcan has even been back again. Like I said, knew nothing of this recent block until I went to preview another detailed page I was working on at the time.
Despite there being inarguable references [7] to the fact that British Sky Broadcasting broadcasts to the whole of the British Isles, the usual Irish contingent (HighKing, Bjmullan etc) ignore it, continue to revert to the factually erroneous "UK + RoI", and invests endless time and energy in banning anyway who calls them at their game and provides the citations to prove them wrong --- just as I did with the "conkers episode" in which I was also correct, supported by citations, yet earned the one month ban.
How much more evidence do you require? I am happy to provide it.
Keep politics out of non-political areas. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 16:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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No valid reason to unblock has been stated. No administrator can overturn a community sanction unless there is a discussion resulting in a consensus to do so. No such consensus exists here. The "invitation to edit" is not grounds for unblocking, and per the comment below, no such invitation was issued. Jehochman Talk 15:18, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion is that there is no consensus to lift your block at this time. Several editors have commented that they would either shorten the block to three months or consider another appeal after three months. Accordingly, you may make another appeal three months after the start of the block. Sandstein 22:49, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
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Because this is a block in application of community sanctions, I have put your request on hold and am referring it as a sanctions appeal to WP:AN. Sandstein 12:13, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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The community declined your last unblock -- the only remaining appeal at this time is to Arbcom. Since you can contact them by email, I am removing your access to this talkpage to prevent further abuse of the unblock process. SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 02:20, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
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<center">I think that there is not enough peace,
love and understanding on the Wikipedia
and it damages the goodwill of community.
♥ TRITONROCKER ♥
If you wish to share some love, please do so below.
As I am currently blocked from defending myself at WP:ANI (here), I am making alonger statement here so it can be read by those admins and those following the issues relating to the British Isles naming dispute on the Wikipedia.
Thank you for your patience. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 04:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Which article did Bj replace 'British Isles' in, without going to BISE first?
GoodDay (
talk) 14:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Looie496 made a very serious procedural mistake (there was no Arbcom sanction) --- and misinterpretation. And yet he block appears to be based on his own further interpretation.
I agree "saying you are a stupid liar" is "as uncivil as you can get" but I did not say it. It is as simple at that. I address a difficult situation, in a difficult context of which Looie496 knows little ... in a formal, polite and civil manner. I really did.
Bjmullan could easily have doubled check on Google before entering an error into the Wikipedia. He did not. That is the sort of integrity I would expect of a Wikipedian --- BEFORE --- they made a edit in an area strewn with POVs and laid the onus of proof onto others.
Contributing to an Encyclopedia also requires some applied intelligence. I am sure Bjmullan is intelligent. The question is, did he chose to apply it? Now, anyone considering Satellite Broadcasting in the British Isles for 3 seconds --- least of all someone involved in along term political dispute over it --- would realise that any signal to Britain and Ireland is going to hit the Isle of Man (which is in neither). Therefore, to change a correct "British Isles" to an incorrect "Britain and Ireland" --- AGAINST THE SANCTION --- could be a a bad faith edit.
In response to TOFWR, think again about the accuracy of the content. Satellite Broadcasting has two parts, the signal --- which can goes everywhere --- and the marketing of that signal. In the case of a company, we are not taking about satellite broadcasting per se but the commercial marketing of that signal ... which according to the company report was to the British Isles.
Again, I did NOT say "Mullan's edit was a bad faith edit". I said, " In my opinion, Mullan's edit ...". In the professional circles to which I am used, that is applying civility in an area of disagreement. It is suggesting that I could have been wrong. I spoke in general about intelligence and integrity. I did not say, "Bjmullan is being stupid and has no integrity" --- which would most certainly have been uncivil.
Lastly, in every legal or legalistic procedure I know, "truth" is a pretty good defence. In this case,
I think we need to our eye on the issue of accurate content, value it and give it the first priority. Can we focus the discussion on that rather than what one individual imagines what another individual, whom he has never met, has said?
The logic for this is based on Bjmullan history in the area of British Irish naming dispute, and his direct interest in my editing. In short, it takes two to tango. Bjmullan has time and time again played a support roll in HighKing British-Irish naming dispute, doing exactly what he has done in this case. If requested, I am prepared to do the work to evidence this by way of diffs. Most people involved know his position well.
Honestly folks, the British Isles naming dispute has gone well beyond normal standards of "assuming good faith". It has become a contest or Wiki-war with its roots in a nationalistic political dispute going back several hundred years.
I will happily accept defeat on the matter and remove myself if he is fairly taken out of it as well for his part in stirring up this drama. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 03:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Triton, I've copied your submission to ANI as requested. Good luck with it. LemonMonday Talk 17:42, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
All this talk of "anger", "battle" and "incivility" is a projection and a distraction.
Thank you Gimmetoo. Yes, I was observing TB01. I did not edit war and yet Bjmullan --- who reported my comments here --- did break the sanction and has walked away Scot free.
People, I am perfectly calm. I am also a grown up who writes in a formal manner. I know how to be uncivil. I chose not to be. Yet a new admin decided --- on the basis of an interpretation only --- decides that I was. I offer to you that it was simple inexperience or over-enthusiasm on his behalf and an overreaction which I do not hold against him. However, I do still suggest that Bjmullan's reporting was a deliberate and tactical move within the greater British Isles naming dispute rather than a good faith one and can provide the evidence if requested.
One of the comments that has been made before is that all the blocks, bans and sanctions that are being thrown around in this dispute are one sided. Here we have another case where one editor breaks a sanction inserting Republic of Irelan d and it is overlooked and another editor defending the correct use of British Isles (from good references) raises the issue, and is banned.
One of the problems with Cailil's original sanction is that it was not well defined, that its real meaning was hidden. The term "incivility" is too broad, open to abuseful misinterpretation and not helpful for new admins.
In my opinion, and please allow me to be open and honest, Cailil's original sanction was really as simple as, "Stop pointing out that the editors removing the term "British Isles" are Irish republicans or nationalists ... even if they self-disclose their nationalist sentiments on their user or talk pages". Whereas I do not think that I have really been "uncivil", it is true that I did repeatedly point out that the editors removing the term "British Isles", and campaigning against its use, are Irish republicans or nationalists, and I stopped.
As an aside, I do think that discussions at ANI should be "without prejudice" (in its legal meaning), exempt from petty interpretations of "incivility" and not permissible as further evidence against an individual --- It is impossible to discuss an issue without discussing an issue, e.g. that there are nationalist agenda's at play here which need to be taken into consideration and discussed at a place like this. I do not know where is the correct place is.
"And for clarity TR was given the chance to make a redaction of that edit ... Cailil talk 16:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)"
Actually, no. I made one small edit, placed one comment, and was working on a different response to the ongoing discussion altogether at which point I found myself blocked.
One question. As you are the one who defined my ban --- whilst a false but prejudicial checkuser was ongoing and I was blocked from defending myself --- can I ask if it is truly punitively "uncivil" to bring into consideration that so many of the individuals involved in this attack against me are self-disclosed Irish or of Irish descent?
Please note, I am politely asking permission to raise this issue here first --- not raising it.
Thank you. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 05:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Latest material copied as requested. LemonMonday Talk 10:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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I have read and agree with all of the policy pages drawn to my attention regarding the "Commonsense", "Good Faith", "Civility", "NOT" and other policy pages :What I am requesting here is an unblock on the basis of a Procedural defense. :Given the severity of the block, and clear procedural error, I am responding to this in a serious manner. :* As stated, the blocking admin Looie496 is a very recent admin (see RfA Oct 11 2010). :* Looie497 prematurely and unilaterally found me "guilty" and erroneously "sentenced" me to a one year ban for a far worse "crime" than I actually committed, a "crime" against an enforcement by an arbitration decision. :* There was no such enforcement an arbitration decision. :As Looie497 has since changed this, I am reverting this page to his original "verdict". I consider this evidence that in his mind something much worse was happening and that my blocking was premature as there is still ongoing discussion at WP:ANI where I should be allowed to defend myself. :Actual Sanction :Looking at the actual sanction at Wikipedia Task Force for the British Isles, it states that any editor who adds or removes the term "British Isles" ... or who edit-wars over such addition or removal, may be added to the list of topic-banned editors. Obviously, I did not add or remove the term "British Isles" as it is against my sanction. :* Remarkably, we have to note that the user Bjmullan who reported my alleged "offence" did actually "add, remove or edit-war" with a new user over the term "British Isles" (see here, [2]) --- who made surely, an accurate and good faith edit inline with easily available references --- re-entering into the Wikipedia a factual error that BSkyB only broadcasts to the UK and Ireland. :According to the British Sky Broadcasting company report, ::"This constitutes the Annual Report of British Sky Broadcasting Group plc (the Distributed Channels includes the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands". [3]. :Summary :The position we have at present is that despite evidence of a continued campaign to remove even accurate uses of the term "British Isles" against sanctions, we find ourselves in the position where ::a) the individual who knowingly broke that sanction to remove the term (and reported me) is free to continue editing ::b) the individual who point out the factual error politely and formally in context is banned for one year. :In my comments to the community, I politely addressed the individual breaking a sanction with the politeness of an honorific title yet my action is considered "uncivil". Noting his and my last interaction with Dr Keirnan on the Elizabeth II topic, here [4], you will see I was again careful to use honorific titles and ask permission before asking personal questions, for example, here [5]. :Consequently, I genuinely find it difficult to understand why I am considered to be so uncivil on a website where even administrators who have banned me are allowed to use profanities on their own pages, and hurl abuse at others directly. :Please note :As background information to this incident, please note that: :a) immediately prior to being blocked I was also attacked with a false sockpuppet accusation by these individuals in which my accuser Bjmullan was noted to engaged in editing warring precisely over my edits and these issues. It is not new. :b) as I have mentioned before, these banning and blockings to all rather appear to be onesided in the British Isles. :c) I am new to these appeals and the bureaucracy o the Wikipedia in general, and I am still struggling with the software. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 04:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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You were told "You are being placed under a behavioral editing restriction. This account may be blocked if it is used to make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith." Subsequently you posted a message which more than one administrator judges to be uncivil and a personal attack. It is as simple as that, and it is not helpful to confuse the issue with numerous other matters which, whether true or false, are not pertinent to the reason for your block. In particular, I suggest you read WP:NOTTHEM. JamesBWatson ( talk) 13:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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For the record, as this is current under discussion, this was new admin Looie496's original erroneous block. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 04:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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This was his later revised block after I raised the issue of his error. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 04:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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Your account has been blocked for 1 year for violation of your British Isles civility parole ( WP:GS/BI) in this edit. An editor who can't make three edits after coming off a one-month block without major incivility is not going to be able to contribute here. Looie496 ( talk) 05:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I have restored the correct blocking template above. Switching it again is likely to get talk page access removed. -- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 12:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Let me clarify something. The direct cause of the block was the line "It takes no degree of intelligence or integrity to surmise that...". This is an indirect way of saying you are a stupid liar -- it's about as uncivil as you can get. An editor who can't even recognize that such a statement is uncivil does not belong on Wikipedia. And this was the third edit after coming off a one-month block. There is really no room to move forward here unless TR demonstrates an understanding of why the statement was uncivil. Looie496 ( talk) 16:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
SarekofVulcan, you have before messed around with my talk page during an ANI discussion about before, and blocked access disallowing me to defend myself.
I would like to ask you politely not to do so. You either seem not to understand what was being said, or are seeking to provoke the situation further as you did edit-warring with me as I tried to develop the British Manual of Style pages. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 04:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
TFOWR, my friend, I don't live online or on the Wikipedia all day. You seem to be spending ten hours a day on this website. I cannot keep up. I sleep 8 hours when I can and, unlike others I suspect, I have to go to work in the real world. I don't know how and where to follow all the page changes, discussions and reporting that go on, as others appear to be able to. I guess am a good bit older than many of you. I don't even know how to report someone or where, and it is really not in my nature to.
What I remember is Cailil pushing the one month block through very quickly through before I responded to it --- even after I politely requested that the accusation wait until the bogus Checkuser was complete, my request not even being acknowledged. I was blocked from defending myself by Sarek of Vulcan, I think, had my talk page reverted to hide comments I was working on at the time etc. I see that Sarek of Vulcan has even been back again. Like I said, knew nothing of this recent block until I went to preview another detailed page I was working on at the time.
Despite there being inarguable references [7] to the fact that British Sky Broadcasting broadcasts to the whole of the British Isles, the usual Irish contingent (HighKing, Bjmullan etc) ignore it, continue to revert to the factually erroneous "UK + RoI", and invests endless time and energy in banning anyway who calls them at their game and provides the citations to prove them wrong --- just as I did with the "conkers episode" in which I was also correct, supported by citations, yet earned the one month ban.
How much more evidence do you require? I am happy to provide it.
Keep politics out of non-political areas. -- Triton Rocker ( talk) 16:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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No valid reason to unblock has been stated. No administrator can overturn a community sanction unless there is a discussion resulting in a consensus to do so. No such consensus exists here. The "invitation to edit" is not grounds for unblocking, and per the comment below, no such invitation was issued. Jehochman Talk 15:18, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion is that there is no consensus to lift your block at this time. Several editors have commented that they would either shorten the block to three months or consider another appeal after three months. Accordingly, you may make another appeal three months after the start of the block. Sandstein 22:49, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
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Because this is a block in application of community sanctions, I have put your request on hold and am referring it as a sanctions appeal to WP:AN. Sandstein 12:13, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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The community declined your last unblock -- the only remaining appeal at this time is to Arbcom. Since you can contact them by email, I am removing your access to this talkpage to prevent further abuse of the unblock process. SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 02:20, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
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