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I think that you chose an interesting topic, and it looks like there is a lot that can be added to the page. The very first thing that I noted was that there was no birth death dates listed (just the years would suffice), and I also appreciate it in wiki articles when the age of death is listed in parenthesis after the death date. I noted a lot of the ideas that you want to add to the article, they seem pretty strong, and it's hard to give a critique when there is no actual rough draft of concept using the words you actually want to place into the article, but one thing I would suggest staying away from is words of uncertainty such as "sort of," "around.." etc...I now that most of whats written in the sandbox is just notes, but unless you have hard facts I would hesitate to add it to the article. Good luck, looks like it'll be a good edit when it's all finished. Jgabe ( talk) 20:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
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The article on Said al-Andalusi seems to be missing some thing that I found in an article from the Indian Journal of History of Science.
For example:
- His actual death date
- The involvement of his results in the Toledan Tables and Canons (which I am going to write in my eval)
- A list of his other works that, while they didn't survive, I believe are still worth a mention.
Said Al-Andalusi
Why did we choose it?
We chose this article because the man seems interesting and wikipedia considers him high-importance.
What's missing?
Lots of stuff. Stuff he did that didn't concern his one book that survived to modern times.
What do we want to add?
Stuff in his life that doesn't concern his one book.
Copied from Said al-Andalusi
Ṣāʿid al‐Andalusī (1029–1070) was an Andalusi Muslim Qadi. He was born at Almería and died at Toledo. Said Al-Andalusi was a historian, philosopher of science and thought, and mathematical scientist with a special interest in astronomy. As an acclaimed Qadi in the functionary court at Toledo, he assembled a well-educated group of young, precision instrument makers, astronomers and scientists, the most renowned of whom was Al-Zarqali. He was the author of the treatise Rectification of Planetary Motions and Exposition of Observers' Errors and contributed to the Tables of Toledo.
The only work of Said's to survive intact is what has often been called his "history of science": Al‐tarif bi-tabaqat al-umam (Exposition of the Generations of Nations) of 1068. The "nations" being those who cultivated learning, such as Indians, Persians, Chaldeans, Egyptians, Greeks, Byzantines, Arabs and Jews (in contrast to others not disposed, such as Norsemen, Chinese, Africans, Russians, Alains and Turks. He wrote other works such as: Jawāmiʿ akhbār al‐umam min al‐Arab wa‐l Ajam (Compendious History of Nations – Arab and Non‐Arab) and Maqālāt ahl al‐milal wa-l-nihal (Doctrines of the Adherents of Sects and Schools).
Facts
He was probably the first to write a book on the history of science in any language. Said said that India was the first country to cultivate science.-Deepak Kumar
full name: Abul-Qasim Said ibn Ahmed ibn abd'ur-Rahman ibn Muhammad ibn Said al-Andalusi -MS Kahn
Tribe: Banu Taghlib or Banu Tha'laba -M.S. Kahn
Relations: Abu'l Mutarrif 'Abd'ur-Rahman ibn Muhammad ibn Said ibn Wathiq : Grandfather, he was also a qadi (judge), but in Sidonia
Ahmad ibn 'Abd'ur-Rahman ibn Muhammad ibn Said : father, whom held a post (?) in Cordoba (Qurtuba)
Qurtuba is in Kuwait
About 18 when he "seems to have completed" his education, (1046) - all from MS Kahn
NEW STUFF( all the bold stuff that isn't the last bit of his name)
Abúl-Qāsim Ṣāʿid ibn Aḥmed ibn 'Abd'ur-Rahmān ibn Muḥammad ibn Ṣāʿid al‐Andalusī (1029–July 6th,1070; 420- 6th Shawwal, 462) was an Andalusi Muslim Qadi. He was born in Almería, Spain in a tribe called Banū Taghlīb or Banū Tha'laba [1], and died in Toledo, Spain. Said Al-Andalusi was a historian, philosopher of science and thought, and mathematical scientist with a special interest in astronomy. As an acclaimed Qadi in the functionary court at Toledo, he assembled a well-educated group of young, precision instrument makers, astronomers and scientists, the most renowned of whom was Al-Zarqali. He was the author of the treatise Rectification of Planetary Motions and Exposition of Observers' Errors and contributed to the Tables of Toledo.
The only work of Ṣāʿid's to survive intact is what has often been called his "history of science": Al‐tarif bi-tabaqat al-umam (Exposition of the Generations of Nations) of 1068. The "nations" being those who cultivated learning, such as Indians, Persians, Chaldeans, Egyptians, Greeks, Byzantines, Arabs and Jews (in contrast to others not disposed, such as Norsemen, Chinese, Africans, Russians, Alains and Turks. In the Tabaqāt, there are three of Ṣāʿid al‐Andalusī's other works mentioned. The Jawāmiʿ akhbār al‐umam min al‐'Arab wa‐l Ajam (Compendious History of Nations – Arab and Non‐Arab), the Maqālāt ahl al‐milal wa-l-nihal (Doctrines of the Adherents of Sects and Schools), and the Iṣlāh Ḥarakāt an-Najūn (Corrections of the Movement of Stars) [1]. While these three works have not physically survived the ages, what we know of them shows that Ṣāʿid al‐Andalusī specialized in history and astronomy.
The bulk of the Tabaqāt is concerning the scientists and accomplishments of the eight nations that Ṣāʿid deemed as having contributed to science. He discusses each of them individually, noting the individual achievements of the nations in fields such as arithmetic, astronomy, and medicine, among many others. Additionally, he discusses the people of the nations that brought about this scientific advancement, most notably the Greek philosophers such as Pythagoras, Socrates and Plato. Ṣāʿid singles out Aristotle in this section of his book, stating "No one can object if Allah/Assembled the world in one individual". Later, Ṣāʿid mentions the Romans and the Christian scholars in Baghdad in the ninth and tenth centuries. The second half of the book is devoted to the discussion of Arab contributions to science in fields such as logic, philosophy, geometry, as well as the accomplishments of Arab scientists using Ptolemy's work to further their collective knowledge of space. These scientists determined the length of the year, the eccentricity of the suns orbit, and constructed astronomical tables among other things. [2]
stuff from GHairitt
Life in Toledo
Upon arriving in Toledo to conduct his studies, he met some of his teachers: Abū Muḥammad al-Qāsim Abū al-Fatiḥ Muḥammad ibn Yūsuf, Hishām al-Kinānī (Abū Walīd or al-Waqshi), and Abū Isḥaq Ibrahim ibn Idris al-Tajibī. Although not well documented, he "seems to have completed" [3] his education in 1046, at the age of eighteen, in Toledo. Due to the scholars located at Toledo and his upbringing, he studied law, Islamic religion, Arabic language, and Arabic literature. Abū Isḥaq Ibrahim ibn Idris al-Tajibī was the teacher who brought his attention toward mathematics and astronomy, which he would excel in, in his later years. After he completed his education, he chose to stay in Toledo to conduct his research and act as a Qāḍi for the governor of Toledo at the time, Yaḥyā al-Qādir. While serving as a Qāḍi and conducting his own research, he began teaching as well. While the Ṭabaqāt al-ʼUmam is his only surviving text, it is know that he wrote other works and because of his short life, the majority of them would have been written while teaching, acting as Qāḍi, and conducting research. As a teacher, he aided his students in their inventions and their research and because of this, he was able to contribute to the Tables of Toledo. one of his students, Al-Zarqali, was extremely successful in the field of astronomy, especially of instrument making. [4] Ṣāʿid al-Andalusī did not write his Ṭabaqāt al-ʼUmam until 1068, two years before his death.
References
- ^ a b Khan, M.S. (17 August 1995). "Tabaqat Al-Umam of Qadi Sa-id Al-Andalusi (1029-1070)". Indian Journal of History of Science. 30: 2–4.
- ^ Scott, Bruce L. (1997). "Review of Science and the Medieval World: "Book of the Categories of Nations" by". Journal of Near Eastern Studies. 56 (3): 218–220.
- ^ Khan, M.S. (17 August 1995). "Tabaqat Al-Umam of Qadi Sa-id Al-Andalusi (1029-1070)" (PDF). Indian Journal of History of Science. 30: 2–4.
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^ 1932-, De Weever, Jacqueline, (1988).
Chaucer name dictionary : a guide to astrological, Biblical, historical, literary, and mythological names in the works of Geoffrey Chaucer. New York: Garland.
ISBN
9780815323020.
OCLC
26673949.
{{ cite book}}:|last=has numeric name ( help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation ( link) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list ( link)
New new stuff
- ^ Khan, M.S. (17 August 1995). "Tabaqat Al-Umam of Qadi Sa-id Al-Andalusi (1029-1070)" (PDF). Indian Journal of History of Science. 30: 2–4.
- ^ Richter‐Bernburg, Lutz (2007). "Ṣāʿid al‐Andalusī: Abū al‐Qāsim Ṣāʿid ibn abī al‐Walīd Aḥmad ibn ʿAbd al‐Raḥmān ibn Muḥammad ibn Ṣāʿid al‐Taghlibī al‐Qurṭubī". In Thomas Hockey; et al. The Biographical Encyclopedia of Astronomers. New York: Springer. pp. 1005–6.
Article evaluation
Peer eval (just copied from talk page)
I think that you chose an interesting topic, and it looks like there is a lot that can be added to the page. The very first thing that I noted was that there was no birth death dates listed (just the years would suffice), and I also appreciate it in wiki articles when the age of death is listed in parenthesis after the death date. I noted a lot of the ideas that you want to add to the article, they seem pretty strong, and it's hard to give a critique when there is no actual rough draft of concept using the words you actually want to place into the article, but one thing I would suggest staying away from is words of uncertainty such as "sort of," "around.." etc...I now that most of whats written in the sandbox is just notes, but unless you have hard facts I would hesitate to add it to the article. Good luck, looks like it'll be a good edit when it's all finished. Jgabe ( talk) 20:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
| This is a user sandbox of
Trazivious. You can use it for testing or practicing edits. This is not the sandbox where you should draft your assigned article for a dashboard.wikiedu.org course. To find the right sandbox for your assignment, visit your Dashboard course page and follow the Sandbox Draft link for your assigned article in the My Articles section. |
The article on Said al-Andalusi seems to be missing some thing that I found in an article from the Indian Journal of History of Science.
For example:
- His actual death date
- The involvement of his results in the Toledan Tables and Canons (which I am going to write in my eval)
- A list of his other works that, while they didn't survive, I believe are still worth a mention.
Said Al-Andalusi
Why did we choose it?
We chose this article because the man seems interesting and wikipedia considers him high-importance.
What's missing?
Lots of stuff. Stuff he did that didn't concern his one book that survived to modern times.
What do we want to add?
Stuff in his life that doesn't concern his one book.
Copied from Said al-Andalusi
Ṣāʿid al‐Andalusī (1029–1070) was an Andalusi Muslim Qadi. He was born at Almería and died at Toledo. Said Al-Andalusi was a historian, philosopher of science and thought, and mathematical scientist with a special interest in astronomy. As an acclaimed Qadi in the functionary court at Toledo, he assembled a well-educated group of young, precision instrument makers, astronomers and scientists, the most renowned of whom was Al-Zarqali. He was the author of the treatise Rectification of Planetary Motions and Exposition of Observers' Errors and contributed to the Tables of Toledo.
The only work of Said's to survive intact is what has often been called his "history of science": Al‐tarif bi-tabaqat al-umam (Exposition of the Generations of Nations) of 1068. The "nations" being those who cultivated learning, such as Indians, Persians, Chaldeans, Egyptians, Greeks, Byzantines, Arabs and Jews (in contrast to others not disposed, such as Norsemen, Chinese, Africans, Russians, Alains and Turks. He wrote other works such as: Jawāmiʿ akhbār al‐umam min al‐Arab wa‐l Ajam (Compendious History of Nations – Arab and Non‐Arab) and Maqālāt ahl al‐milal wa-l-nihal (Doctrines of the Adherents of Sects and Schools).
Facts
He was probably the first to write a book on the history of science in any language. Said said that India was the first country to cultivate science.-Deepak Kumar
full name: Abul-Qasim Said ibn Ahmed ibn abd'ur-Rahman ibn Muhammad ibn Said al-Andalusi -MS Kahn
Tribe: Banu Taghlib or Banu Tha'laba -M.S. Kahn
Relations: Abu'l Mutarrif 'Abd'ur-Rahman ibn Muhammad ibn Said ibn Wathiq : Grandfather, he was also a qadi (judge), but in Sidonia
Ahmad ibn 'Abd'ur-Rahman ibn Muhammad ibn Said : father, whom held a post (?) in Cordoba (Qurtuba)
Qurtuba is in Kuwait
About 18 when he "seems to have completed" his education, (1046) - all from MS Kahn
NEW STUFF( all the bold stuff that isn't the last bit of his name)
Abúl-Qāsim Ṣāʿid ibn Aḥmed ibn 'Abd'ur-Rahmān ibn Muḥammad ibn Ṣāʿid al‐Andalusī (1029–July 6th,1070; 420- 6th Shawwal, 462) was an Andalusi Muslim Qadi. He was born in Almería, Spain in a tribe called Banū Taghlīb or Banū Tha'laba [1], and died in Toledo, Spain. Said Al-Andalusi was a historian, philosopher of science and thought, and mathematical scientist with a special interest in astronomy. As an acclaimed Qadi in the functionary court at Toledo, he assembled a well-educated group of young, precision instrument makers, astronomers and scientists, the most renowned of whom was Al-Zarqali. He was the author of the treatise Rectification of Planetary Motions and Exposition of Observers' Errors and contributed to the Tables of Toledo.
The only work of Ṣāʿid's to survive intact is what has often been called his "history of science": Al‐tarif bi-tabaqat al-umam (Exposition of the Generations of Nations) of 1068. The "nations" being those who cultivated learning, such as Indians, Persians, Chaldeans, Egyptians, Greeks, Byzantines, Arabs and Jews (in contrast to others not disposed, such as Norsemen, Chinese, Africans, Russians, Alains and Turks. In the Tabaqāt, there are three of Ṣāʿid al‐Andalusī's other works mentioned. The Jawāmiʿ akhbār al‐umam min al‐'Arab wa‐l Ajam (Compendious History of Nations – Arab and Non‐Arab), the Maqālāt ahl al‐milal wa-l-nihal (Doctrines of the Adherents of Sects and Schools), and the Iṣlāh Ḥarakāt an-Najūn (Corrections of the Movement of Stars) [1]. While these three works have not physically survived the ages, what we know of them shows that Ṣāʿid al‐Andalusī specialized in history and astronomy.
The bulk of the Tabaqāt is concerning the scientists and accomplishments of the eight nations that Ṣāʿid deemed as having contributed to science. He discusses each of them individually, noting the individual achievements of the nations in fields such as arithmetic, astronomy, and medicine, among many others. Additionally, he discusses the people of the nations that brought about this scientific advancement, most notably the Greek philosophers such as Pythagoras, Socrates and Plato. Ṣāʿid singles out Aristotle in this section of his book, stating "No one can object if Allah/Assembled the world in one individual". Later, Ṣāʿid mentions the Romans and the Christian scholars in Baghdad in the ninth and tenth centuries. The second half of the book is devoted to the discussion of Arab contributions to science in fields such as logic, philosophy, geometry, as well as the accomplishments of Arab scientists using Ptolemy's work to further their collective knowledge of space. These scientists determined the length of the year, the eccentricity of the suns orbit, and constructed astronomical tables among other things. [2]
stuff from GHairitt
Life in Toledo
Upon arriving in Toledo to conduct his studies, he met some of his teachers: Abū Muḥammad al-Qāsim Abū al-Fatiḥ Muḥammad ibn Yūsuf, Hishām al-Kinānī (Abū Walīd or al-Waqshi), and Abū Isḥaq Ibrahim ibn Idris al-Tajibī. Although not well documented, he "seems to have completed" [3] his education in 1046, at the age of eighteen, in Toledo. Due to the scholars located at Toledo and his upbringing, he studied law, Islamic religion, Arabic language, and Arabic literature. Abū Isḥaq Ibrahim ibn Idris al-Tajibī was the teacher who brought his attention toward mathematics and astronomy, which he would excel in, in his later years. After he completed his education, he chose to stay in Toledo to conduct his research and act as a Qāḍi for the governor of Toledo at the time, Yaḥyā al-Qādir. While serving as a Qāḍi and conducting his own research, he began teaching as well. While the Ṭabaqāt al-ʼUmam is his only surviving text, it is know that he wrote other works and because of his short life, the majority of them would have been written while teaching, acting as Qāḍi, and conducting research. As a teacher, he aided his students in their inventions and their research and because of this, he was able to contribute to the Tables of Toledo. one of his students, Al-Zarqali, was extremely successful in the field of astronomy, especially of instrument making. [4] Ṣāʿid al-Andalusī did not write his Ṭabaqāt al-ʼUmam until 1068, two years before his death.
References
- ^ a b Khan, M.S. (17 August 1995). "Tabaqat Al-Umam of Qadi Sa-id Al-Andalusi (1029-1070)". Indian Journal of History of Science. 30: 2–4.
- ^ Scott, Bruce L. (1997). "Review of Science and the Medieval World: "Book of the Categories of Nations" by". Journal of Near Eastern Studies. 56 (3): 218–220.
- ^ Khan, M.S. (17 August 1995). "Tabaqat Al-Umam of Qadi Sa-id Al-Andalusi (1029-1070)" (PDF). Indian Journal of History of Science. 30: 2–4.
-
^ 1932-, De Weever, Jacqueline, (1988).
Chaucer name dictionary : a guide to astrological, Biblical, historical, literary, and mythological names in the works of Geoffrey Chaucer. New York: Garland.
ISBN
9780815323020.
OCLC
26673949.
{{ cite book}}:|last=has numeric name ( help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation ( link) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list ( link)
New new stuff
- ^ Khan, M.S. (17 August 1995). "Tabaqat Al-Umam of Qadi Sa-id Al-Andalusi (1029-1070)" (PDF). Indian Journal of History of Science. 30: 2–4.
- ^ Richter‐Bernburg, Lutz (2007). "Ṣāʿid al‐Andalusī: Abū al‐Qāsim Ṣāʿid ibn abī al‐Walīd Aḥmad ibn ʿAbd al‐Raḥmān ibn Muḥammad ibn Ṣāʿid al‐Taghlibī al‐Qurṭubī". In Thomas Hockey; et al. The Biographical Encyclopedia of Astronomers. New York: Springer. pp. 1005–6.