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Your RfAJust to let you know, User:The Rambling Man (formerly known as Budgiekiller) gained oppose !votes in his recent RfA just for responding to oppose !votes!!! Sad, but true. The advice gleaned there was to do so on the RfA talk page or on the talk pages of individuals. It also seems that his supporters doing the same was labelled "belligerent", so beware that too. Ridiculous, IMHO... anyone supporting or opposing should be prepared to reconsider their opinion if it's based on flawed understanding, but some people think it unpleasant. -- Dweller 09:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
summariesI thought that I always had a summary. If it's a short article and the db tag comes up in the summary box, I normally leave it at that. For longer articles, where the summary box is blank, I usually add text clarifying why I am deleting using autocomplete. This tends to be on the lines of "advertisement" or "article about a person, group.... that does not assert notability." For copyright violation, I copy the URL from the tag . jimfbleak 10:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Your RFAIt's become obvious that your comments in closing your RFA were directed at me. I'm stunned and hurt that you would think I had any intention or desire to "harrass" oppose votes. I wrote what I wrote because I feel strongly that if this is something that could benefit you (as you stated), it's the least the community can do. I'm very sorry you closed your RFA in what I feel was an unreasonable length of time to give people an opportunity to weigh in thoroughly. Personally, I don't understand why you would want it, and I said so. I feel betrayed and grossly misunderstood. You could have at least given me the chance to explain myself (there are several ways to contact me, all of them you know about). For the record, the power went out for three hours in my town and I was unavailable for the rest of the day, but still. Furthermore I got the message loud and clear that you think I'm some sort of uncontrollable "loose cannon" that can't be trusted. That hurts me more than anything. I maybe be passionate about what I believe, but in my opinion I uphold my responsibility to the community and to the people I associate with. I wish you had simply responded to me if you felt my comments were inappropriate. I may be a bit of a drama queen, but this is more drama than even I can stomach. NinaOdell | Talk 13:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Well I suck, don't IOne of my biggest pet peeves is when people don't read or even click on carefully placed links. Another one of my pet peeves is when people don't read banners. Please don't do anything you might regret in the future, as I have. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NinaOdell ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC). Link on Trans-Siberian railway entryI disagree with your removal of my link to an account of my experience on the Trans-Siberian railway, especially as two other similar accounts were not removed. If you read the list of links that should not be added you will see that it says they should not be added unless they were "the subject of the article", which my link clearly was. My link was relevent and has been enjoyed by readers. Can you remove it from whatever "blacklist" you have placed it on please. My sole aim is to provide an enjoyable & informative read to people researching a trip. There was no element of self promotion intended, to describe it as a "spam link" is somewhat unfair. Keithmall 19:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The fact that it didn't add to the article is why it was placed as an external link and not part of an article. The heading of Travel Tales was already there and is a perfect description of the link that was added, that was why I added it. A link to a similar article was left untouched, just because I am not a professional travel writer does not make my experiences any less relevent or valid than those of someone who is. Your interpretation of what is a valid link has denied many people who might be thinking of making the trip access to a first hand account which would be of value to them. As a compromise can it be included on the discussion page rather than the main article? Keithmall 19:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. However it would be interesting to know why two other links to similar accounts are considered valid when mine is not. Just because Myspace is my only outlet for publishing an account shouldn't be held against me. Keithmall 19:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Welcome to the AMA!Hello Wizardry Dragon, I see that you have decided to join the AMA. I'll be the first to say welcome! We're always in need of more advocates, especially since were backlogged most of the time. Before heading into your first case, please take some time to familiarize yourself with the AMA FAQ's, the Guide to Advocacy, and the AMA Handbook. Just a few pointers for what we do. We communicate by putting a template on our talk page. The template is {{ AMA alerts}}. The AMA also has it's own IRC channel, which reports new cases and alerts to us. It can also be used as a place to ask for advice on an issue. If you'd like to jump right into a case, you are free to check out AMA Requests for Assistance, which is our new request for advocacy system. The instructions for how the technical part works is on it's talk page. You can also use the AMA userboxes that appear under here. If you have anymore questions about the organization, just ping any advocate's talk page, including our coordinator Steve Caruso or deputy coordinators Wikiwoohoo and Aeon. Again, welcome to the AMA! - Royalguard11( Talk· Desk· Review Me!) 21:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Barrett v. RosenthalWhat's going on there? What is the mediation about? I haven't been editing there in awhile. Jance 23:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
If I am not to be allowed to provide the requested evidence of my attempts to deal with her attacks, then what's going on? Have I misunderstood your RfM? It was made in the specific context of her personal attacks on myself, so why is it described as an RfM regarding Barrett v. Rosenthal? That is not currently an issue under discussion. If I'm not to be allowed to discuss the current problem, then maybe you shouldn't have added my name and obligated me to a lot more wasted time. Please explain and maybe I'll withdraw. -- Fyslee 23:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but the problems you list (neutrality, Ilena's links, and inflammatory content) are minor and pretty well resolved from my perspective at least on Barrett v. Rosenthal. Stephen Barrett is much more problematic, and The National Council Against Health Fraud is so incredibly bad that we've compromised WP:OR (and other policies) just to get some disputes behind us. As for Ilena's part in this, as long as she's unwilling to understand and/or follow basic wiki policy (WP:N, WP:NOT, WP:V, WP:OR, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:AGF, WP:CIV, WP:NPA), what's the point? -- Ronz 00:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry...... having just taken a look at your user page, it sounds like you're going through a tough time right now. I'm sorry for bugging you with petty Wikipedia disputes at a time like this - I didn't realize. You have my best wishes. Take care. MastCell 00:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Your sigHi Peter. I don't know if anyone has ever brought this up, but I find your signature confusing here [1]. It appears two times, but in two different forms, giving the impression that two different people are writing. You are free to design your signature as you wish (although it is more difficult to read when editing, than an ordinary and simple sig), but it would help if you used the same sig all the time. -- Fyslee 06:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Ilena
Response (and also a convenient section break)Durova, I am seriously disappointed in your lack of perspective on the matter. The posts on AN, especially the one by Taxman are things I have been saying all along, if anyone chose to read what I said.
So, since we seem to all be talking past each other in this matter, I will put my response into a few, clear, points.
Finally, and most importantly:
To quote Essjay: ![]() Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 00:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
?Can you be specific about what you mean by "less than stellar" with regards to me?- Cindery 05:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
A drive-byI'd have emailed you but you don't have email set. Death, depression. I feel your pain. Last year I lost my sister, and this was cynically exploited as a way of attacking me. They say time heals all wounds - it doesn't of course but it makes it possible to bear them; the pain never goes away but we become accustomed to it. You take care of yourself and remember that you are valued. Guy ( Help!) 20:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Looking at this thread, I realize I should let you know that I referenced the above situation tangentially and (I hope) respectfully in my statement at the Ilena/Fyslee RfArb. I realize now that I should have checked with you first. Anyhow, if you find anything objectionable in my statement, or would just rather I not even bring it up, just leave me a message or email me and I'll fix it. Take care. MastCell 20:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Rejected RfM Barrett v. Rosenthal, now RfAI'm asking you to withdraw the RfA, and instead work with the other editors involved to come up with a new RfM that we actually understand. The RfM was not rejected because anyone refuses to accept mediation, but because the RfM as written made no sense. Your statement in the RfA clarifies things somewhat, but not enough. -- Ronz 04:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
(I hate it when I have long responses typed up and then I lose the session data. I apologize for the length it has taken to get back to you, and I will edit in the full message below in steps to ensure I don't lose the message. Give me an hour or so to type up the whole thing again, as I have other demands on my time. Thanks for your indulgence and patience. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 05:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC))
Peter, I'm pleased that you acknowledge that the behavioral issues are the most basic and pressing ones at present. That is indeed the domain for RfA or RfC. I was under the understanding that RfC was to be tried before RfA, but now that ship has sailed and we're going to have to experience even more stress. (You are not the only one who is getting pushed to the brink of extinction - quite literally. This is very hard on me at the present time. So I am in a position to feel quite a bit of empathy for you, but it is now just that much harder for me as well.) That's life (as long as it's worth it). Now all this places me in a dilemma. I am not sure if I should prepare any defense or not. I have started, but wonder if it will be a total waste of time, or even counterproductive. So far I have been prevented by you from defending myself, because you have categorized my feeble attempts as "personal attacks" and even deleted them. What is the wise thing for me to do? Would I be better off just staying silent and letting Ilena and yourself, and all the supporters of quackery (I'm not including yourself) at Wikipedia (who would love to can me) use this opportunity to kick me when I am down -- and being held down? I find myself in a weird blending of despair, angst, and sadness. Being unjustly accused without evidence is hard to take. Being attacked by others outside of Wikipedia is normal for me, but having her Usenet battles allowed and defended here is intolerable. I have always avoided her, and have rarely commentedd on her, and have never participated in Usenet at all. It is weird to find that she can use Wikipedia to force her battles on me. I have never been part of them before. -- Fyslee 16:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking for some help concerning the RfA. I've really no idea what should I put in a statement, and I'm still confused by many of the unanswered questions from the RfM discussion page. Copying from a previous comment to Fyslee: I've barely even looked at an RfA, so I'm turning to you as someone that appears to have a great deal of familiarity with them. (Please point me to someone more knowledgeable of and/or appropriate for such questions, as well as some documentation if it exists.)
Seeing how busy you are, I'm more expecting you'll just refer me to someone who can help, but it's your call. -- Ronz 19:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Please respondI have asked you at least a couple of times why you added the parties and articles you did to mediation. Now I ask you why you included Breast Implants in this request for arbitration. Do you realize that only Ilena has even edited that article, and I believe she has edited one time??? Neither Ronz nor Fyslee has edited it at all. So please tell me why you included it in mediation? Do you realize that this may well open up an entirely different fight, that has nothing to do with Ilena? And I don't care what Ilena's outside interests in breast implants are. That is not at issue. At issue is a RFa on an article that these parties did not even edit!! Jance 04:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
A side questionA side question to the RFI disscussion that I always wanted to ask is what exactly was the communication between you and Betacommand over IRC or otherwise, as well as with Cowman, Martin and everyone else who rushed to PAIN at the time, for the first time in their editing history. I mean over IRC or otherwise off-wiki. There is no way for me to check this, so I will have to rely on your truthfullness. -- Irpen 07:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't get it. You had no communication but "he told you". There is a self-contradiction in this. -- Irpen 08:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't get it. When Betacommand blocked me, he did not leave either a warning or even a notification. This was a pure hit and run. So, there was no on-wiki evidence of the block and there was no way for you to know about it unless you persistently reloaded the service page with my block log. Nevertheless, you were first to announce the block within seconds and without any onwiki communication about it. So, there was some IRC communication involving you. Could you please give me a full and non-evasive answer of what you know about what happened? Thank you. -- Irpen 08:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
VandalProof moderationIn good faith I've honored your request to stop moderating VP for awhile, but it's time for some answers. -- froth T 21:26, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Peter - and Sorry!Hi there, How rude of me earlier to go straight to the noticeboard, and not come here first - i really just wasn't thinking about how aggressive that might have seemed, it's no excuse, but it came across as so much a bigger deal on the screen than in my head - this is totally my fault, and i'm sorry dude. Feel free to copy all that stuff here then, which seems a better place for it - i'm a massive consumer of wiki, but not really very active an editor, and i just thought that the things i mentioned seemed a little odd, and wondered what anyone else thought... anyways, top of the morning to ya', and cheerio for now!, Purples 11:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Re. A personal requestHey Peter. I read the comments on WP:ANI and checked the history of Uncyclopedia. I could not find any blatant misuse of the tools by Pschemp. If my eye missed something, please pinpoint. :-) Regards,-- Hús ö nd 19:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Iron Man, MySpace, Bolgs, Whitelists, and Erik.Hi. I just wanted to say that while I do understnad your warning to Erik, I hope you can understand our frustrations as well. We HAD replaced the links, and lost them again, after having to jump through a number of hoops to do so, finding the right admins and such to assist us in this problem. Erik and I work hard on these upcoming comics-related films, and are quite frustrated that links which have been crucial to our ability to cite an addition to the page in the past are gone. Both Tim Story, director of Fantastic Four 2, and Jon Favreau, director of Iron Man, created MySpace pages to interact directly with the fan community, and release information there. While little of major significance is debuted on those pages, smaller notes about the production's pace, and decisions are sometimes commented upon. Further, there are a few other writers and 'producers' (in the larger sense) of big budget films who are turning to the site and similar ones to publicize or publicly interact with fans. As the trend grows, the need for the ability to properly cite them will grow as well. both Erik and myself are trying to be patient, but the big problem we're having is that we just got that link back in, only to have an admin yank it again, which shows us that the admin wasn't even TRYING to check the link out, but just barreling through pages yanking the link. Unfortunately, he took down a particularly salient link for the article's citations. it's frustrating to go through channels, get things put right, only to have someone else undo that work. And worse, the fact that we can't edit it back in means some OTHER admin took it off the whitelist again, probably not understanding why it was there, because THEY didn't do due diligence on the matter. Anyways, I jsut wanted to explain the situation in more detail here, and why Erik seems so frustrated. It is somewhat justifiable anger, though of course that doesn't excuse his posting. ThuranX 21:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Something for a changeIve been noticing for a while that the article on the National Gallery of Canada in Ottawa is in a very pity shape and stays almost unedited. In case you want to do something interesting please consider expanding it. -- Irpen 02:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
SigHi there. Is the 'Cheers' you put at the end of your comments part of your sig? If so, it may be a little unwise. Some people could take it as you being patronising or dismissive in your comment to them, especially if you're disagreeing with them over something. -- Barberio 11:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
NystedYes, do it. I replied on my talk but this will get you the ol' yellow bar :-) Guy ( Help!) 17:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
a few wordsWe don't know each other, but I would like to offer my support (for what its worth) in your moment of grief. Although I know nothing of the matter, I was a bit shocked to discover your bereavement and the youth of your loved ones. As you have shared something personal with us, I don't feel uncomfortable in responding. I don't personally think that life is supposed to be fair, but I know something of losing loved ones, and will leave you with a message that no matter what, one must go to the game, go to the mound, pitch the ball and become who one really is (not original and speaking in baseball terms), so don't give up. God bless, Rama's arrow (3:16) 19:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
WD, my heart felt sympathies. The last thing anyone at this place in his or her lives wants to hear is "I know how you feel" or "it'll get better over time"... Fact is no one knows, and it will never get better. I lost my 17-year-old daughter. Nothing is worse than losing a loved one and no words can offer up any solace. My heart breaks for you, your family and your friends. At times like this many people lean on the hope of a life after this one where we can someday be reunited again with our loved ones. A place free of pain and hurt. I believe in this kind of place. So I offer up my prayers for you. MY hope is that you have the love and friendships close to you who will give you strength and comfort. Mystar 02:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for looking out, but not blocked -and best wishesHey Peter, Here you warned JoeSmack that I was banned for being a sockpuppet. I just wanted to give you a heads-up that I'm clean. Thanks for looking out for everything here on Wiki though. Seeing your profile though, I must say it's impressive and I at least wanted to give you my best wishes in life. Best wishes, JackSparrow Ninja 09:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Wheatley High School Discussion site - It was NOT being used as a source, but included as an external link"cur) (last) 07:15, 24 January 2007 Wizardry Dragon (Talk | contribs | block) m (Proboards is not an appropriate external links. Discussion forums are not verifiable sources) [rollback] " See, Wizardry, I am NOT using it as a source. I am including it as an external link. The guideline says that forums are NORMALLY not appropriate to include, but that doesn't mean it cannot be included at all. WhisperToMe 19:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I will warn you that continuing to readd a link that is against policy will result in a block to prevent further disruption. ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 00:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
As requested, the following is a relevant citation from WP:V:
Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 00:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
WhisperToMe 00:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. RosenthalHello, An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad (Acting as Assistant to the Clerk) 23:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC) A Benihana Christmas (the office us) edit questionDid you get a chance to look at the link I posted as you requested over at User_talk:Eagle_101#A_Benihana_Christmas_.28the_office_us.29_edit_question? Qutezuce 22:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC) Why was this viewed as trollish?I don't understand why you removed Arthur Rubin apology. You really think that was trollish? Also don't you think that troll-B-gon edit summary is a bit inflammatory? Is there any way to program the reversion tool to leave a more neutral comment. It reads like spam at best and personnal attack at worst. David D. (Talk) 22:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Containing forest firesPeter, I fear your deletion here suffers from a problem that has been chronic of your mentoring of Ilena. You have (possibly properly) deleted inflammatory material, but left the source of the flame -- OhSusanne's post, which is a repetition and even enlargement of Ilena's attacks. Why did you not delete hers on sight right away? I will at least give you credit for also deleting Ilena's reponse, but it was OhSusanne's post that started it, and it hurt. I had to exercise great restraint and heed the advice of several editors and admins, to keep from replying. But it would only have inflamed the situation, so I did what I have done many times during all of this ruccus -- laid low and not replied nearly as often as I have been provoked. I'd like to see some fairness here. -- Fyslee 23:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
B-cratshipHello, I've been thinking about running for B-cratship after I start adding admin activities back into the balance, especially in light of the recent controversy. It'll probably be a good month or so before I seriously consider, but what's your opinion? I know you probably only talked to me directly on the RfA talkpage. — Deckill er 05:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
BaitingAccording to one heading here, you write that I "baited" Ilena. This would obviously refer to the very beginning (why else start with it?). You are not AGF when you write that. When have you ever discussed this with me to find out if I was "baiting" her, or if there was some other more benign interpretation? Please discuss this here with the diff, since I have no idea what you are referring to. Maybe we can save some unnecessary embarrassment on the RfA, before things explode. You can still withdraw that heading. -- Fyslee 08:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Here are the links to jog your memory. I posted the ill-fated link here, and it was immediately removed by Jance (with a rebuke to me for something Ilena had repeatedly and deliberately already done), and later reinstated by yourself (at the same time removing the evidence that Jance had already deleted it!), only to then give me a huge rebuke (for an offense I had just heard about), one which you have never given to Ilena for much greater offences. Things were greatly out of proportion to the offense. It was then that Ilena finally commented, with a renewed attack, another posting of a link to her attack site, and (as she has done several times), a deletion of other's comments, in this case Dematt's defense of free speech, and your own warnings. Ronz tried to fix it. You yourself comment on the whole incident here. I think if this matter comes up in the RfA, I can defend myself, while still maintaining my apology for an unusual and one-time blunder. -- Fyslee 13:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I feel at this juncture it is worth noting that becuase my reactions to Ilena's actions were so strong, I confined them to email where I wouldn't be "piled-on" by the civility parade. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 13:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Big thanksThanks for chiming in for me yet again on ANI, I know it's costing you points with MONGO and his buddies and I appreciate your resolve to add reason to the various threads. I owe you ^_^ Milto LOL pia 10:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
a request for assistance...Peter, since you seem to have been involved comprehensively by this whole Ilena business, could please explain to me what I've done wrong in making the observation that I did? As I stated, I am new to Wikipedia and, while I spent an entire night reading about the controversy, following the links, reviewing the cases, looking at policy, etc., I am open to the possibility that I may have made a mistake in saying anything at all. But I really don't get why. Bel Also, I don't understand why my behavior is being discussed with you and not with me. I've been watching the Ilena talk page and even reviewing its history and, with the exception of Arthur Rubin, nobody took direct issue with what I posted. (BTW, I wasn't upset about what Rubin said. As I mentioned, I'm a disinterested party.) There haven't been any posts to my talk page, either. If I am, at best, "wrong and opinionated", then wouldn't it be more productive to explain to ME what I'm doing wrong? (The opinionated part isn't going to change, probably.) I really don't have any desire to wander through Wikipedia scattering dissent and chaos in my wake. I realize that you're going through a difficult time right now and I am sorry to be making another demand on your time. If you don't feel like/have time to deal with me, please just let me know. I'll just stick to fixing pronoun antecedent problems. If my questions are best addressed via private email, I'm happy to give you my address. OhSusanne 22:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC) RenameAs requested, I have changed your username. You can now log in using the new name. Best wishes, Warofdreams talk 23:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
re:Elaragirl's talk pageI edited her talk page because the link was obviously misleading to a new user. Also, please note that Elaragirl does not own any rights to her talk page in a way that editing is restricted. This is a wiki, and all editors are encouraged to change all pages in a way that improves them.-- Ed ¿Cómo estás? Reviews? 01:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Sockpuppet tagHi, thanks for your reply - the account I'm talking about is WWest ( talk · contribs) and Desnm ( talk · contribs). WWest has been banned as a sockpuppet, probably due to conditions I don't know about, but Desnm is not rootology and has a tag on his userpage. Since he's not banned and hasn't been confirmed, how long before the tag can come? The case is Requests for checkuser/Case/TruthInMedia - although, honestly, the way he's treated, he's probably long gone. Maybe it would be best to forget about it, but I don't know if those tags are removed anyway for organization's sake. Milto LOL pia 01:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
My RfAYour comments on my RfA are pertinent and appreciated; I have responded to them and clarified things as best I can - I would be grateful if you would read my response and, if you feel so inclined, respond. Specifically, I cannot know for sure how many edits to since-deleted images I have made, as none of the editcount tools give a detailed breakdown (I have 951 deleted edits in all namespaces) but I am 100% sure it is many more than the (admittedly thin-looking) 18 edits to images that have not been deleted, which are those that are listed in Special:Contributions under my username. Qwghlm 02:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC) RE:Admin criteriaThanks for your advice at User_talk:Elaragirl#Adminship_-_interested_in_your_perspective. I find it quite encouraging to hear that diplomacy in an admin is more important than editcount or experience. I always try to be diplomatic in my interactions with other editors; for instance, look at this discussion on my talkpage and my replies at User_talk:Coelacan. In this case, I made a mistake in a comment on an AfD, was (rightly) criticised for it by this user, and backed down and apologised. I consider maintaining a peaceful, academic atmosphere to be more important than getting my own way. Would you say I'm going about things the right way, and do you think I would make a good admin? Walton monarchist89 17:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC) SignatureJust letting you know, your sig still points to your old username. Prodego talk 01:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
ChronologyMay I suggest you list your current evidence points (at the BvR RfA) in chronological order? Getting events in the wrong order can create a false impression. You can use my email. -- Fyslee 21:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Please stop the insane witch huntsHuntress829 I am a friend of C.H. and she is not Lee Nysted. Your fancy computer software can make a lot of mistakes, sir. To delete her or block her is just plain wrong. I am also a fan of Lee Nysted. When the second album comes out, are you still going to refuse to recognize him? This is supposed to be a free, not censored, encyclopedia. Why does it a appear that someone, age 19 or 20, without so much as a college degree in journalism, can take over? I watched in AWE as you and JzG attacked and deleted everyone wanting to establish an artcle about Lee. Then, because C.H. and others share an office with Lee's employees, everyone is a puppet? I look at the "musicians" and "ensembles" listed here and find it odd that you are not attacking nearly every one of them for lack of information that Lee's people provided this Wikipedia. As someone said, the stones you people are throwing are shattering this glass house.
Comment:What nonsense! I know both parties and all your system does is check IP addresses. Nysted is traveling the world as is Huntress. You think that IP addresses are not dynamic? You are wrong and that is that. You are also wrong in agreeing to block legitimate singers and songwriters that are notable by our own guidelines. Nysted is playing with notable people. The discourse about notability will show you that you are free to delete and block, only to end up looking like fools. Huntress and Nysted are two separate people. Anyone that is part of the new album will vouch for the facts. I will give it about 6 months. In the meantime, I will work on an article, albeit, everyone may turn up being puppets at the rate you are going. Your actions only encourage more fake profiles and more waste of time and effort by people that could be helping to make this a reliable and friendly place.
Wrong again. 1.) Notability and Google hits are not to be used together, per the talks of late. The notability of a musician is not at question here. The guidelines are quite clear. Nysted met the guidelines. 2.) Lee Nysted gets tens of thousands of Google hits, and as such, it still does not make him notable, by our guidleines. Anyone can buy Google hits. It's called "ad-words." 3.) Lee Nysted has notable musicians in his band and on his albums. His album will be posted here. All of the above is verifiable and reliable. Matt Walker is notable. He plays with Lee. They are band mates. No histrionics, no spam, just the facts. Same for Todd Sucherman. 4.) Whoever came up with your logic, lacks good judgment and simple emotional stability. I am not outraged. Mr. Nysted has more and more fans that will prevail in getting him the recognition he deserves. Time will tell all. This publication only loses credibilty when someone brings up reasons to not publish the facts, or they try to change or cloud the facts because of false testimony or faulty computer software. Everyone can open new accounts and wait for IP addresses to change, or we could work together to build a true source of true and reliable information. "Somelight."
Leave Peter alone, please, socks. Have some basic consideration, it doesn't take much to discover that this is really not the time. BTW, I don't know if you've got it on your watchlist, so you - that's Peter this time - may or may not know that I asked a question at the Barrett and Rosenthal Workshop that you might like to get round to eventually. Cheers, Moreschi Deletion! 19:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Please be careful when using AWBIn this external link cleanup: [5] you have also deleted all the categories and interwiki links! Please pay more attention to your use of automated tools. DWaterson 01:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Please slow down a bitThe edit external edit purge mentioned above, with collateral damage, and the edit I reverted here suggests you might want to slow down a bit. I know things get frustrating sometimes, like a link farm or some negative comments. With respect to the latter it is often better to walk away. In my experience blanking stuff, when frustrated, will just make matters worse in the long run. David D. (Talk) 04:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
(Off topic): I had a good chuckle at myself when I realised the last three topics are "please" do something. Er, I'm my own person and I can make my own judgements :-) ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 05:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Please check IRCJust to continue the theme.-- Elar a girl Talk| Count 06:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC) PierceWhen you say " a case study in the indellibility of first impressions" are you trying to imply that I was not following the case? It is possible to observe without comment. And I have seen her handle other situations ineffectively too. My problem is I have too many bad impressions. Some may call that not assuming good faith but one cannot assume good faith forever. David D. (Talk) 10:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
User talk:Anthony cfcI'm not going to 3RR here, but I would like to point out that I don't consider the matter resolved, and I believe that there is still more productive results to be gained from discussion on the matter at hand. Will you please continue with the discussion? Anthonycfc [ T • C 21:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
This quarrel is ridiculous - we should be editing, not bickering. Please accept my apologies - I was in a low spell - I was not not responsible for my actions, and I beg you to forgive my actions. Yours with the greatest respect, Anthonycfc [ T • C 00:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Smiley AwardFeel free to place this award on your user page, as a token of appreciation for your contributions. If you're willing to help spread the good cheer to others, please see the project page for the Random Smiley Award at: User:Pedia-I/SmileyAward ![]() originated by Pedia-I ( Explanation and Disclaimer) Agreements and disagreementsHi, Peter. We disagree about this, so it's nice at least that we can agree on this. But the way, when I posted recently on your talk page, I added it to my watchlist, and when you subsequently updated your user page I looked, and saw your recent troubles. I'm very sorry. Musical L inguist 01:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Neutrality ProjectAs you may recall, I expressed some concerns about the Wikipedia:Neutrality Project a few weeks ago. I have been pondering this, and think that the project is unnecessary bureaucracy (among the other reasons I expressed in our discussions). Rather than let things progress for a long time to the point where it becomes difficult to discuss the merits of the project, I figured it might be best to resolve this issue now. As a result, I have nominated Wikipedia:Neutrality Project for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. The discussion can be found here. Agent 86 03:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
You should really use one IRC nick, please.Otherwise, it's hard to get in contact with you when I get on.-- Elar a girl Talk| Count 23:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Your RfAJust to let you know, User:The Rambling Man (formerly known as Budgiekiller) gained oppose !votes in his recent RfA just for responding to oppose !votes!!! Sad, but true. The advice gleaned there was to do so on the RfA talk page or on the talk pages of individuals. It also seems that his supporters doing the same was labelled "belligerent", so beware that too. Ridiculous, IMHO... anyone supporting or opposing should be prepared to reconsider their opinion if it's based on flawed understanding, but some people think it unpleasant. -- Dweller 09:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
summariesI thought that I always had a summary. If it's a short article and the db tag comes up in the summary box, I normally leave it at that. For longer articles, where the summary box is blank, I usually add text clarifying why I am deleting using autocomplete. This tends to be on the lines of "advertisement" or "article about a person, group.... that does not assert notability." For copyright violation, I copy the URL from the tag . jimfbleak 10:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Your RFAIt's become obvious that your comments in closing your RFA were directed at me. I'm stunned and hurt that you would think I had any intention or desire to "harrass" oppose votes. I wrote what I wrote because I feel strongly that if this is something that could benefit you (as you stated), it's the least the community can do. I'm very sorry you closed your RFA in what I feel was an unreasonable length of time to give people an opportunity to weigh in thoroughly. Personally, I don't understand why you would want it, and I said so. I feel betrayed and grossly misunderstood. You could have at least given me the chance to explain myself (there are several ways to contact me, all of them you know about). For the record, the power went out for three hours in my town and I was unavailable for the rest of the day, but still. Furthermore I got the message loud and clear that you think I'm some sort of uncontrollable "loose cannon" that can't be trusted. That hurts me more than anything. I maybe be passionate about what I believe, but in my opinion I uphold my responsibility to the community and to the people I associate with. I wish you had simply responded to me if you felt my comments were inappropriate. I may be a bit of a drama queen, but this is more drama than even I can stomach. NinaOdell | Talk 13:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Well I suck, don't IOne of my biggest pet peeves is when people don't read or even click on carefully placed links. Another one of my pet peeves is when people don't read banners. Please don't do anything you might regret in the future, as I have. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NinaOdell ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC). Link on Trans-Siberian railway entryI disagree with your removal of my link to an account of my experience on the Trans-Siberian railway, especially as two other similar accounts were not removed. If you read the list of links that should not be added you will see that it says they should not be added unless they were "the subject of the article", which my link clearly was. My link was relevent and has been enjoyed by readers. Can you remove it from whatever "blacklist" you have placed it on please. My sole aim is to provide an enjoyable & informative read to people researching a trip. There was no element of self promotion intended, to describe it as a "spam link" is somewhat unfair. Keithmall 19:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The fact that it didn't add to the article is why it was placed as an external link and not part of an article. The heading of Travel Tales was already there and is a perfect description of the link that was added, that was why I added it. A link to a similar article was left untouched, just because I am not a professional travel writer does not make my experiences any less relevent or valid than those of someone who is. Your interpretation of what is a valid link has denied many people who might be thinking of making the trip access to a first hand account which would be of value to them. As a compromise can it be included on the discussion page rather than the main article? Keithmall 19:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. However it would be interesting to know why two other links to similar accounts are considered valid when mine is not. Just because Myspace is my only outlet for publishing an account shouldn't be held against me. Keithmall 19:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Welcome to the AMA!Hello Wizardry Dragon, I see that you have decided to join the AMA. I'll be the first to say welcome! We're always in need of more advocates, especially since were backlogged most of the time. Before heading into your first case, please take some time to familiarize yourself with the AMA FAQ's, the Guide to Advocacy, and the AMA Handbook. Just a few pointers for what we do. We communicate by putting a template on our talk page. The template is {{ AMA alerts}}. The AMA also has it's own IRC channel, which reports new cases and alerts to us. It can also be used as a place to ask for advice on an issue. If you'd like to jump right into a case, you are free to check out AMA Requests for Assistance, which is our new request for advocacy system. The instructions for how the technical part works is on it's talk page. You can also use the AMA userboxes that appear under here. If you have anymore questions about the organization, just ping any advocate's talk page, including our coordinator Steve Caruso or deputy coordinators Wikiwoohoo and Aeon. Again, welcome to the AMA! - Royalguard11( Talk· Desk· Review Me!) 21:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Barrett v. RosenthalWhat's going on there? What is the mediation about? I haven't been editing there in awhile. Jance 23:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
If I am not to be allowed to provide the requested evidence of my attempts to deal with her attacks, then what's going on? Have I misunderstood your RfM? It was made in the specific context of her personal attacks on myself, so why is it described as an RfM regarding Barrett v. Rosenthal? That is not currently an issue under discussion. If I'm not to be allowed to discuss the current problem, then maybe you shouldn't have added my name and obligated me to a lot more wasted time. Please explain and maybe I'll withdraw. -- Fyslee 23:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but the problems you list (neutrality, Ilena's links, and inflammatory content) are minor and pretty well resolved from my perspective at least on Barrett v. Rosenthal. Stephen Barrett is much more problematic, and The National Council Against Health Fraud is so incredibly bad that we've compromised WP:OR (and other policies) just to get some disputes behind us. As for Ilena's part in this, as long as she's unwilling to understand and/or follow basic wiki policy (WP:N, WP:NOT, WP:V, WP:OR, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:AGF, WP:CIV, WP:NPA), what's the point? -- Ronz 00:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry...... having just taken a look at your user page, it sounds like you're going through a tough time right now. I'm sorry for bugging you with petty Wikipedia disputes at a time like this - I didn't realize. You have my best wishes. Take care. MastCell 00:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Your sigHi Peter. I don't know if anyone has ever brought this up, but I find your signature confusing here [1]. It appears two times, but in two different forms, giving the impression that two different people are writing. You are free to design your signature as you wish (although it is more difficult to read when editing, than an ordinary and simple sig), but it would help if you used the same sig all the time. -- Fyslee 06:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Ilena
Response (and also a convenient section break)Durova, I am seriously disappointed in your lack of perspective on the matter. The posts on AN, especially the one by Taxman are things I have been saying all along, if anyone chose to read what I said.
So, since we seem to all be talking past each other in this matter, I will put my response into a few, clear, points.
Finally, and most importantly:
To quote Essjay: ![]() Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 00:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
?Can you be specific about what you mean by "less than stellar" with regards to me?- Cindery 05:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
A drive-byI'd have emailed you but you don't have email set. Death, depression. I feel your pain. Last year I lost my sister, and this was cynically exploited as a way of attacking me. They say time heals all wounds - it doesn't of course but it makes it possible to bear them; the pain never goes away but we become accustomed to it. You take care of yourself and remember that you are valued. Guy ( Help!) 20:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Looking at this thread, I realize I should let you know that I referenced the above situation tangentially and (I hope) respectfully in my statement at the Ilena/Fyslee RfArb. I realize now that I should have checked with you first. Anyhow, if you find anything objectionable in my statement, or would just rather I not even bring it up, just leave me a message or email me and I'll fix it. Take care. MastCell 20:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Rejected RfM Barrett v. Rosenthal, now RfAI'm asking you to withdraw the RfA, and instead work with the other editors involved to come up with a new RfM that we actually understand. The RfM was not rejected because anyone refuses to accept mediation, but because the RfM as written made no sense. Your statement in the RfA clarifies things somewhat, but not enough. -- Ronz 04:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
(I hate it when I have long responses typed up and then I lose the session data. I apologize for the length it has taken to get back to you, and I will edit in the full message below in steps to ensure I don't lose the message. Give me an hour or so to type up the whole thing again, as I have other demands on my time. Thanks for your indulgence and patience. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 05:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC))
Peter, I'm pleased that you acknowledge that the behavioral issues are the most basic and pressing ones at present. That is indeed the domain for RfA or RfC. I was under the understanding that RfC was to be tried before RfA, but now that ship has sailed and we're going to have to experience even more stress. (You are not the only one who is getting pushed to the brink of extinction - quite literally. This is very hard on me at the present time. So I am in a position to feel quite a bit of empathy for you, but it is now just that much harder for me as well.) That's life (as long as it's worth it). Now all this places me in a dilemma. I am not sure if I should prepare any defense or not. I have started, but wonder if it will be a total waste of time, or even counterproductive. So far I have been prevented by you from defending myself, because you have categorized my feeble attempts as "personal attacks" and even deleted them. What is the wise thing for me to do? Would I be better off just staying silent and letting Ilena and yourself, and all the supporters of quackery (I'm not including yourself) at Wikipedia (who would love to can me) use this opportunity to kick me when I am down -- and being held down? I find myself in a weird blending of despair, angst, and sadness. Being unjustly accused without evidence is hard to take. Being attacked by others outside of Wikipedia is normal for me, but having her Usenet battles allowed and defended here is intolerable. I have always avoided her, and have rarely commentedd on her, and have never participated in Usenet at all. It is weird to find that she can use Wikipedia to force her battles on me. I have never been part of them before. -- Fyslee 16:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking for some help concerning the RfA. I've really no idea what should I put in a statement, and I'm still confused by many of the unanswered questions from the RfM discussion page. Copying from a previous comment to Fyslee: I've barely even looked at an RfA, so I'm turning to you as someone that appears to have a great deal of familiarity with them. (Please point me to someone more knowledgeable of and/or appropriate for such questions, as well as some documentation if it exists.)
Seeing how busy you are, I'm more expecting you'll just refer me to someone who can help, but it's your call. -- Ronz 19:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Please respondI have asked you at least a couple of times why you added the parties and articles you did to mediation. Now I ask you why you included Breast Implants in this request for arbitration. Do you realize that only Ilena has even edited that article, and I believe she has edited one time??? Neither Ronz nor Fyslee has edited it at all. So please tell me why you included it in mediation? Do you realize that this may well open up an entirely different fight, that has nothing to do with Ilena? And I don't care what Ilena's outside interests in breast implants are. That is not at issue. At issue is a RFa on an article that these parties did not even edit!! Jance 04:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
A side questionA side question to the RFI disscussion that I always wanted to ask is what exactly was the communication between you and Betacommand over IRC or otherwise, as well as with Cowman, Martin and everyone else who rushed to PAIN at the time, for the first time in their editing history. I mean over IRC or otherwise off-wiki. There is no way for me to check this, so I will have to rely on your truthfullness. -- Irpen 07:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't get it. You had no communication but "he told you". There is a self-contradiction in this. -- Irpen 08:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't get it. When Betacommand blocked me, he did not leave either a warning or even a notification. This was a pure hit and run. So, there was no on-wiki evidence of the block and there was no way for you to know about it unless you persistently reloaded the service page with my block log. Nevertheless, you were first to announce the block within seconds and without any onwiki communication about it. So, there was some IRC communication involving you. Could you please give me a full and non-evasive answer of what you know about what happened? Thank you. -- Irpen 08:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
VandalProof moderationIn good faith I've honored your request to stop moderating VP for awhile, but it's time for some answers. -- froth T 21:26, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Peter - and Sorry!Hi there, How rude of me earlier to go straight to the noticeboard, and not come here first - i really just wasn't thinking about how aggressive that might have seemed, it's no excuse, but it came across as so much a bigger deal on the screen than in my head - this is totally my fault, and i'm sorry dude. Feel free to copy all that stuff here then, which seems a better place for it - i'm a massive consumer of wiki, but not really very active an editor, and i just thought that the things i mentioned seemed a little odd, and wondered what anyone else thought... anyways, top of the morning to ya', and cheerio for now!, Purples 11:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Re. A personal requestHey Peter. I read the comments on WP:ANI and checked the history of Uncyclopedia. I could not find any blatant misuse of the tools by Pschemp. If my eye missed something, please pinpoint. :-) Regards,-- Hús ö nd 19:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Iron Man, MySpace, Bolgs, Whitelists, and Erik.Hi. I just wanted to say that while I do understnad your warning to Erik, I hope you can understand our frustrations as well. We HAD replaced the links, and lost them again, after having to jump through a number of hoops to do so, finding the right admins and such to assist us in this problem. Erik and I work hard on these upcoming comics-related films, and are quite frustrated that links which have been crucial to our ability to cite an addition to the page in the past are gone. Both Tim Story, director of Fantastic Four 2, and Jon Favreau, director of Iron Man, created MySpace pages to interact directly with the fan community, and release information there. While little of major significance is debuted on those pages, smaller notes about the production's pace, and decisions are sometimes commented upon. Further, there are a few other writers and 'producers' (in the larger sense) of big budget films who are turning to the site and similar ones to publicize or publicly interact with fans. As the trend grows, the need for the ability to properly cite them will grow as well. both Erik and myself are trying to be patient, but the big problem we're having is that we just got that link back in, only to have an admin yank it again, which shows us that the admin wasn't even TRYING to check the link out, but just barreling through pages yanking the link. Unfortunately, he took down a particularly salient link for the article's citations. it's frustrating to go through channels, get things put right, only to have someone else undo that work. And worse, the fact that we can't edit it back in means some OTHER admin took it off the whitelist again, probably not understanding why it was there, because THEY didn't do due diligence on the matter. Anyways, I jsut wanted to explain the situation in more detail here, and why Erik seems so frustrated. It is somewhat justifiable anger, though of course that doesn't excuse his posting. ThuranX 21:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Something for a changeIve been noticing for a while that the article on the National Gallery of Canada in Ottawa is in a very pity shape and stays almost unedited. In case you want to do something interesting please consider expanding it. -- Irpen 02:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
SigHi there. Is the 'Cheers' you put at the end of your comments part of your sig? If so, it may be a little unwise. Some people could take it as you being patronising or dismissive in your comment to them, especially if you're disagreeing with them over something. -- Barberio 11:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
NystedYes, do it. I replied on my talk but this will get you the ol' yellow bar :-) Guy ( Help!) 17:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
a few wordsWe don't know each other, but I would like to offer my support (for what its worth) in your moment of grief. Although I know nothing of the matter, I was a bit shocked to discover your bereavement and the youth of your loved ones. As you have shared something personal with us, I don't feel uncomfortable in responding. I don't personally think that life is supposed to be fair, but I know something of losing loved ones, and will leave you with a message that no matter what, one must go to the game, go to the mound, pitch the ball and become who one really is (not original and speaking in baseball terms), so don't give up. God bless, Rama's arrow (3:16) 19:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
WD, my heart felt sympathies. The last thing anyone at this place in his or her lives wants to hear is "I know how you feel" or "it'll get better over time"... Fact is no one knows, and it will never get better. I lost my 17-year-old daughter. Nothing is worse than losing a loved one and no words can offer up any solace. My heart breaks for you, your family and your friends. At times like this many people lean on the hope of a life after this one where we can someday be reunited again with our loved ones. A place free of pain and hurt. I believe in this kind of place. So I offer up my prayers for you. MY hope is that you have the love and friendships close to you who will give you strength and comfort. Mystar 02:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for looking out, but not blocked -and best wishesHey Peter, Here you warned JoeSmack that I was banned for being a sockpuppet. I just wanted to give you a heads-up that I'm clean. Thanks for looking out for everything here on Wiki though. Seeing your profile though, I must say it's impressive and I at least wanted to give you my best wishes in life. Best wishes, JackSparrow Ninja 09:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Wheatley High School Discussion site - It was NOT being used as a source, but included as an external link"cur) (last) 07:15, 24 January 2007 Wizardry Dragon (Talk | contribs | block) m (Proboards is not an appropriate external links. Discussion forums are not verifiable sources) [rollback] " See, Wizardry, I am NOT using it as a source. I am including it as an external link. The guideline says that forums are NORMALLY not appropriate to include, but that doesn't mean it cannot be included at all. WhisperToMe 19:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I will warn you that continuing to readd a link that is against policy will result in a block to prevent further disruption. ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 00:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
As requested, the following is a relevant citation from WP:V:
Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 00:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
WhisperToMe 00:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. RosenthalHello, An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad (Acting as Assistant to the Clerk) 23:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC) A Benihana Christmas (the office us) edit questionDid you get a chance to look at the link I posted as you requested over at User_talk:Eagle_101#A_Benihana_Christmas_.28the_office_us.29_edit_question? Qutezuce 22:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC) Why was this viewed as trollish?I don't understand why you removed Arthur Rubin apology. You really think that was trollish? Also don't you think that troll-B-gon edit summary is a bit inflammatory? Is there any way to program the reversion tool to leave a more neutral comment. It reads like spam at best and personnal attack at worst. David D. (Talk) 22:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Containing forest firesPeter, I fear your deletion here suffers from a problem that has been chronic of your mentoring of Ilena. You have (possibly properly) deleted inflammatory material, but left the source of the flame -- OhSusanne's post, which is a repetition and even enlargement of Ilena's attacks. Why did you not delete hers on sight right away? I will at least give you credit for also deleting Ilena's reponse, but it was OhSusanne's post that started it, and it hurt. I had to exercise great restraint and heed the advice of several editors and admins, to keep from replying. But it would only have inflamed the situation, so I did what I have done many times during all of this ruccus -- laid low and not replied nearly as often as I have been provoked. I'd like to see some fairness here. -- Fyslee 23:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
B-cratshipHello, I've been thinking about running for B-cratship after I start adding admin activities back into the balance, especially in light of the recent controversy. It'll probably be a good month or so before I seriously consider, but what's your opinion? I know you probably only talked to me directly on the RfA talkpage. — Deckill er 05:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
BaitingAccording to one heading here, you write that I "baited" Ilena. This would obviously refer to the very beginning (why else start with it?). You are not AGF when you write that. When have you ever discussed this with me to find out if I was "baiting" her, or if there was some other more benign interpretation? Please discuss this here with the diff, since I have no idea what you are referring to. Maybe we can save some unnecessary embarrassment on the RfA, before things explode. You can still withdraw that heading. -- Fyslee 08:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Here are the links to jog your memory. I posted the ill-fated link here, and it was immediately removed by Jance (with a rebuke to me for something Ilena had repeatedly and deliberately already done), and later reinstated by yourself (at the same time removing the evidence that Jance had already deleted it!), only to then give me a huge rebuke (for an offense I had just heard about), one which you have never given to Ilena for much greater offences. Things were greatly out of proportion to the offense. It was then that Ilena finally commented, with a renewed attack, another posting of a link to her attack site, and (as she has done several times), a deletion of other's comments, in this case Dematt's defense of free speech, and your own warnings. Ronz tried to fix it. You yourself comment on the whole incident here. I think if this matter comes up in the RfA, I can defend myself, while still maintaining my apology for an unusual and one-time blunder. -- Fyslee 13:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I feel at this juncture it is worth noting that becuase my reactions to Ilena's actions were so strong, I confined them to email where I wouldn't be "piled-on" by the civility parade. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 13:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Big thanksThanks for chiming in for me yet again on ANI, I know it's costing you points with MONGO and his buddies and I appreciate your resolve to add reason to the various threads. I owe you ^_^ Milto LOL pia 10:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
a request for assistance...Peter, since you seem to have been involved comprehensively by this whole Ilena business, could please explain to me what I've done wrong in making the observation that I did? As I stated, I am new to Wikipedia and, while I spent an entire night reading about the controversy, following the links, reviewing the cases, looking at policy, etc., I am open to the possibility that I may have made a mistake in saying anything at all. But I really don't get why. Bel Also, I don't understand why my behavior is being discussed with you and not with me. I've been watching the Ilena talk page and even reviewing its history and, with the exception of Arthur Rubin, nobody took direct issue with what I posted. (BTW, I wasn't upset about what Rubin said. As I mentioned, I'm a disinterested party.) There haven't been any posts to my talk page, either. If I am, at best, "wrong and opinionated", then wouldn't it be more productive to explain to ME what I'm doing wrong? (The opinionated part isn't going to change, probably.) I really don't have any desire to wander through Wikipedia scattering dissent and chaos in my wake. I realize that you're going through a difficult time right now and I am sorry to be making another demand on your time. If you don't feel like/have time to deal with me, please just let me know. I'll just stick to fixing pronoun antecedent problems. If my questions are best addressed via private email, I'm happy to give you my address. OhSusanne 22:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC) RenameAs requested, I have changed your username. You can now log in using the new name. Best wishes, Warofdreams talk 23:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
re:Elaragirl's talk pageI edited her talk page because the link was obviously misleading to a new user. Also, please note that Elaragirl does not own any rights to her talk page in a way that editing is restricted. This is a wiki, and all editors are encouraged to change all pages in a way that improves them.-- Ed ¿Cómo estás? Reviews? 01:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Sockpuppet tagHi, thanks for your reply - the account I'm talking about is WWest ( talk · contribs) and Desnm ( talk · contribs). WWest has been banned as a sockpuppet, probably due to conditions I don't know about, but Desnm is not rootology and has a tag on his userpage. Since he's not banned and hasn't been confirmed, how long before the tag can come? The case is Requests for checkuser/Case/TruthInMedia - although, honestly, the way he's treated, he's probably long gone. Maybe it would be best to forget about it, but I don't know if those tags are removed anyway for organization's sake. Milto LOL pia 01:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
My RfAYour comments on my RfA are pertinent and appreciated; I have responded to them and clarified things as best I can - I would be grateful if you would read my response and, if you feel so inclined, respond. Specifically, I cannot know for sure how many edits to since-deleted images I have made, as none of the editcount tools give a detailed breakdown (I have 951 deleted edits in all namespaces) but I am 100% sure it is many more than the (admittedly thin-looking) 18 edits to images that have not been deleted, which are those that are listed in Special:Contributions under my username. Qwghlm 02:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC) RE:Admin criteriaThanks for your advice at User_talk:Elaragirl#Adminship_-_interested_in_your_perspective. I find it quite encouraging to hear that diplomacy in an admin is more important than editcount or experience. I always try to be diplomatic in my interactions with other editors; for instance, look at this discussion on my talkpage and my replies at User_talk:Coelacan. In this case, I made a mistake in a comment on an AfD, was (rightly) criticised for it by this user, and backed down and apologised. I consider maintaining a peaceful, academic atmosphere to be more important than getting my own way. Would you say I'm going about things the right way, and do you think I would make a good admin? Walton monarchist89 17:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC) SignatureJust letting you know, your sig still points to your old username. Prodego talk 01:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
ChronologyMay I suggest you list your current evidence points (at the BvR RfA) in chronological order? Getting events in the wrong order can create a false impression. You can use my email. -- Fyslee 21:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Please stop the insane witch huntsHuntress829 I am a friend of C.H. and she is not Lee Nysted. Your fancy computer software can make a lot of mistakes, sir. To delete her or block her is just plain wrong. I am also a fan of Lee Nysted. When the second album comes out, are you still going to refuse to recognize him? This is supposed to be a free, not censored, encyclopedia. Why does it a appear that someone, age 19 or 20, without so much as a college degree in journalism, can take over? I watched in AWE as you and JzG attacked and deleted everyone wanting to establish an artcle about Lee. Then, because C.H. and others share an office with Lee's employees, everyone is a puppet? I look at the "musicians" and "ensembles" listed here and find it odd that you are not attacking nearly every one of them for lack of information that Lee's people provided this Wikipedia. As someone said, the stones you people are throwing are shattering this glass house.
Comment:What nonsense! I know both parties and all your system does is check IP addresses. Nysted is traveling the world as is Huntress. You think that IP addresses are not dynamic? You are wrong and that is that. You are also wrong in agreeing to block legitimate singers and songwriters that are notable by our own guidelines. Nysted is playing with notable people. The discourse about notability will show you that you are free to delete and block, only to end up looking like fools. Huntress and Nysted are two separate people. Anyone that is part of the new album will vouch for the facts. I will give it about 6 months. In the meantime, I will work on an article, albeit, everyone may turn up being puppets at the rate you are going. Your actions only encourage more fake profiles and more waste of time and effort by people that could be helping to make this a reliable and friendly place.
Wrong again. 1.) Notability and Google hits are not to be used together, per the talks of late. The notability of a musician is not at question here. The guidelines are quite clear. Nysted met the guidelines. 2.) Lee Nysted gets tens of thousands of Google hits, and as such, it still does not make him notable, by our guidleines. Anyone can buy Google hits. It's called "ad-words." 3.) Lee Nysted has notable musicians in his band and on his albums. His album will be posted here. All of the above is verifiable and reliable. Matt Walker is notable. He plays with Lee. They are band mates. No histrionics, no spam, just the facts. Same for Todd Sucherman. 4.) Whoever came up with your logic, lacks good judgment and simple emotional stability. I am not outraged. Mr. Nysted has more and more fans that will prevail in getting him the recognition he deserves. Time will tell all. This publication only loses credibilty when someone brings up reasons to not publish the facts, or they try to change or cloud the facts because of false testimony or faulty computer software. Everyone can open new accounts and wait for IP addresses to change, or we could work together to build a true source of true and reliable information. "Somelight."
Leave Peter alone, please, socks. Have some basic consideration, it doesn't take much to discover that this is really not the time. BTW, I don't know if you've got it on your watchlist, so you - that's Peter this time - may or may not know that I asked a question at the Barrett and Rosenthal Workshop that you might like to get round to eventually. Cheers, Moreschi Deletion! 19:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Please be careful when using AWBIn this external link cleanup: [5] you have also deleted all the categories and interwiki links! Please pay more attention to your use of automated tools. DWaterson 01:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Please slow down a bitThe edit external edit purge mentioned above, with collateral damage, and the edit I reverted here suggests you might want to slow down a bit. I know things get frustrating sometimes, like a link farm or some negative comments. With respect to the latter it is often better to walk away. In my experience blanking stuff, when frustrated, will just make matters worse in the long run. David D. (Talk) 04:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
(Off topic): I had a good chuckle at myself when I realised the last three topics are "please" do something. Er, I'm my own person and I can make my own judgements :-) ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 05:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Please check IRCJust to continue the theme.-- Elar a girl Talk| Count 06:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC) PierceWhen you say " a case study in the indellibility of first impressions" are you trying to imply that I was not following the case? It is possible to observe without comment. And I have seen her handle other situations ineffectively too. My problem is I have too many bad impressions. Some may call that not assuming good faith but one cannot assume good faith forever. David D. (Talk) 10:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
User talk:Anthony cfcI'm not going to 3RR here, but I would like to point out that I don't consider the matter resolved, and I believe that there is still more productive results to be gained from discussion on the matter at hand. Will you please continue with the discussion? Anthonycfc [ T • C 21:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
This quarrel is ridiculous - we should be editing, not bickering. Please accept my apologies - I was in a low spell - I was not not responsible for my actions, and I beg you to forgive my actions. Yours with the greatest respect, Anthonycfc [ T • C 00:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Smiley AwardFeel free to place this award on your user page, as a token of appreciation for your contributions. If you're willing to help spread the good cheer to others, please see the project page for the Random Smiley Award at: User:Pedia-I/SmileyAward ![]() originated by Pedia-I ( Explanation and Disclaimer) Agreements and disagreementsHi, Peter. We disagree about this, so it's nice at least that we can agree on this. But the way, when I posted recently on your talk page, I added it to my watchlist, and when you subsequently updated your user page I looked, and saw your recent troubles. I'm very sorry. Musical L inguist 01:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Neutrality ProjectAs you may recall, I expressed some concerns about the Wikipedia:Neutrality Project a few weeks ago. I have been pondering this, and think that the project is unnecessary bureaucracy (among the other reasons I expressed in our discussions). Rather than let things progress for a long time to the point where it becomes difficult to discuss the merits of the project, I figured it might be best to resolve this issue now. As a result, I have nominated Wikipedia:Neutrality Project for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. The discussion can be found here. Agent 86 03:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
You should really use one IRC nick, please.Otherwise, it's hard to get in contact with you when I get on.-- Elar a girl Talk| Count 23:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC) |