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<ref>{{cite book | title=Arizona Place Names | last1=Barnes | first1=Will Croft | publisher=University of Arizona Press | year=2016 | place=Tucson | page=203 |ISBN=0816534950 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=CYorDQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22Arizona+Place+Names%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOpOL2xsbQAhXJjFQKHVG1Ca4Q6AEIJjAA#v=snippet&q=Hibbard&f=false | archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6mJF2rjqD | archivedate=November 26, 2016}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite book | title=Native American Placenames of the Southwest: A Handbook for Travelers | last1=Bright | first1=William | publisher=University of Oklahoma Press | year=2013 | place=Norman, Oklahoma | page=48 |ISBN=0806189142 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=g0DsXCalXZcC&dq=Kahachi+Miliuk&source=gbs_navlinks_s}}</ref>
<ref name=TCM>{{cite web | url=http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/89316/Sea-Devils/full-credits.html |title=Sea Devils, Credits | publisher=Turner Classic Movies | accessdate= September 11, 2014 | archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20140607004946/http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/89316/Sea-Devils/full-credits.html| archivedate=September 11, 2014}}</ref>
<ref name=Theiapolis>{{cite web | url=http://cinema.theiapolis.com/movie-073S/sea-devils/ | title=Sea Devils: Technical Details | publisher=theiapolis.com | accessdate= September 11, 2014}}</ref>
<ref name=AFI>{{cite web | url=http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/DetailView.aspx?s=&Movie=27624| title=Citizen Kane: Detail View | publisher=American Film Institute | accessdate= March 29, 2015 | archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/DetailView.aspx?s=&Movie=27624 | archivedate= September 11, 2014}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033224/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt | title=The Villain Still Pursued Her | publisher=imdb.com | accessdate= September 11, 2014}}</ref>
<ref name=nyt>{{cite web | url=http://www.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9B05E1D91F39E03ABC4C52DFB266838B629EDE | publisher=''New York Times'' | last=Hall | first=Mordaunt | title=Alias French Gertie: Safe Crackers | date=April 14, 1930 | accessdate= September 11, 2014 | archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20140623163114/http://www.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9B05E1D91F39E03ABC4C52DFB266838B629EDE | archivedate=June 23, 2014}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news | newspaper=Silver Screen | title=Silver Screen's Reviewing Stand | date=August 1931 | page=47 | url=http://www.archive.org/stream/silverscreen01unse#page/n549/mode/2up/search/%22Everything's+Rosie%22 | accessdate=May 26, 2015}}{{Open access}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite web | url=http://ibdb.com/production.php?id=6921 | publisher=Internet Broadway Database | title=Inside the Lines | accessdate= October 17, 2014| archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ibdb.com/production.php?id=6921 | archivedate=December 5, 2013}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news|title=Proposed Charter of the City of Tucson State of Arizona |url=https://www.newspapers.com/clip/110931632/ |newspaper=[[Tucson Citizen]] |date=July 29, 1919 |pages=14 |via = [[Newspapers.com]]|accessdate = October 8, 2022}} {{Open access}}</ref>
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<small>— [[User:David Sub|David Sub]] ([[User talk:David Sub|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/David Sub|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>
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To parse the basic definition a bit: substantive treatment means not just mere mention but real content about the subject, which can be used to verify detailed statements about it. Independent, third party sources means that the sources cited should be completely unconnected to the subject. Reliable sources are those with a reputation for checking the facts, editorial oversight and accuracy – so not some unknown persons on blog or random websites, not Facebook or Linkin, not the subject's own website or any connected to them, not press releases, but books published by major publishing houses, newspaper articles, magazine write-ups, treatment in peer-reviewed scholarly journals and websites that meet the same requirements as reputable print-based sources, etc.
You have not demonstrated the existence of such sources. The draft already notes some of this this in its reviews. The recognition section you talk about above does not help. First, articles should be made up of prose paragraphs exploring the topic, not long lists of accomplishments or credits. This article has one sentence of prose followed by lists. Encyclopedia articles are not directories or résumés. The recognition section lists other Wikipedia articles which is useless. Wikipedia is itself not a reliable source but user generated content and citation to other articles is circular. Everything else is mere mentions, all in a section which doesn't belong in the first place. All this is not to say the sources we want don't exist and the type of writing we seek can't be accomplished, but it's distinctly lacking from this draft. A proper article would strip out 90% of the list material, all of which reads as promotional and résumé fodder, and would instead have a few paragraphs of prose with reliable sources cited. To give you an example of some sources that might help, possibly this and this. Neither would be enough to sustain an article – I don't know if enough exist to sustain an article – but those are far more in the realm of the types of sources we're looking for.--
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Where I left off:
<ref>{{cite web | url= | publisher= | title= | accessdate=August 9, 2015}}</ref>
{{sfn|Harris|2008|p=327}}
<ref name=RKO>{{cite book | title=The RKO Story | last1=Jewell | first1=Richard B. | last2=Harbin | first2=Vernon | publisher=Arlington House | year=1982 | place=New York | page=20 |ISBN=0-517-546566}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite book | title=Arizona Place Names | last1=Barnes | first1=Will Croft | publisher=University of Arizona Press | year=2016 | place=Tucson | page=203 |ISBN=0816534950 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=CYorDQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22Arizona+Place+Names%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOpOL2xsbQAhXJjFQKHVG1Ca4Q6AEIJjAA#v=snippet&q=Hibbard&f=false | archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6mJF2rjqD | archivedate=November 26, 2016}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite book | title=Native American Placenames of the Southwest: A Handbook for Travelers | last1=Bright | first1=William | publisher=University of Oklahoma Press | year=2013 | place=Norman, Oklahoma | page=48 |ISBN=0806189142 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=g0DsXCalXZcC&dq=Kahachi+Miliuk&source=gbs_navlinks_s}}</ref>
<ref name=TCM>{{cite web | url=http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/89316/Sea-Devils/full-credits.html |title=Sea Devils, Credits | publisher=Turner Classic Movies | accessdate= September 11, 2014 | archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20140607004946/http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/89316/Sea-Devils/full-credits.html| archivedate=September 11, 2014}}</ref>
<ref name=Theiapolis>{{cite web | url=http://cinema.theiapolis.com/movie-073S/sea-devils/ | title=Sea Devils: Technical Details | publisher=theiapolis.com | accessdate= September 11, 2014}}</ref>
<ref name=AFI>{{cite web | url=http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/DetailView.aspx?s=&Movie=27624| title=Citizen Kane: Detail View | publisher=American Film Institute | accessdate= March 29, 2015 | archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/DetailView.aspx?s=&Movie=27624 | archivedate= September 11, 2014}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033224/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt | title=The Villain Still Pursued Her | publisher=imdb.com | accessdate= September 11, 2014}}</ref>
<ref name=nyt>{{cite web | url=http://www.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9B05E1D91F39E03ABC4C52DFB266838B629EDE | publisher=''New York Times'' | last=Hall | first=Mordaunt | title=Alias French Gertie: Safe Crackers | date=April 14, 1930 | accessdate= September 11, 2014 | archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20140623163114/http://www.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9B05E1D91F39E03ABC4C52DFB266838B629EDE | archivedate=June 23, 2014}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news | newspaper=Silver Screen | title=Silver Screen's Reviewing Stand | date=August 1931 | page=47 | url=http://www.archive.org/stream/silverscreen01unse#page/n549/mode/2up/search/%22Everything's+Rosie%22 | accessdate=May 26, 2015}}{{Open access}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite web | url=http://ibdb.com/production.php?id=6921 | publisher=Internet Broadway Database | title=Inside the Lines | accessdate= October 17, 2014| archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ibdb.com/production.php?id=6921 | archivedate=December 5, 2013}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news|title=Proposed Charter of the City of Tucson State of Arizona |url=https://www.newspapers.com/clip/110931632/ |newspaper=[[Tucson Citizen]] |date=July 29, 1919 |pages=14 |via = [[Newspapers.com]]|accessdate = October 8, 2022}} {{Open access}}</ref>
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{{Film date|1939|2|1|Premiere-''New York City''|1939|2|14|''US''| ref1= <ref name=AFI>{{cite web | url=http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/DetailView.aspx?s=&Movie=1076 | title=Muss 'Em Up: Detail View | publisher=American Film Institute | accessdate= September 14, 2014 | archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20140329190412/http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/DetailView.aspx?s=&Movie=1076 | archivedate=March 29, 2014}} </ref>|ref2=<ref name=AFI />}}
{{Film date|1939|2|9|Premiere-''New York City''|1939|3|11|''US''| ref1= <ref name=AFI>{{cite web | url=http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/DetailView.aspx?s=&Movie=26519| title=The Tattooed Stranger: Detail View | publisher=American Film Institute | accessdate= September 14, 2014}} </ref>|ref2=<ref name=AFI /> {{cite web | url=http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/DetailView.aspx?s=&Movie=26519| title=The Tattooed Stranger: Detail View | publisher=American Film Institute | accessdate=September 14, 2014 }}</ref>}}
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<ref>''The American Film Institute Catalog Feature Films: 1931-40'' by The American Film Institute, c.1993</ref> <ref>''Catalog of Holdings The American Film Institute Collection and The United Artists Collection at The Library of Congress'' page 166 c.1978 published by The American Film Institute</ref>
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To parse the basic definition a bit: substantive treatment means not just mere mention but real content about the subject, which can be used to verify detailed statements about it. Independent, third party sources means that the sources cited should be completely unconnected to the subject. Reliable sources are those with a reputation for checking the facts, editorial oversight and accuracy – so not some unknown persons on blog or random websites, not Facebook or Linkin, not the subject's own website or any connected to them, not press releases, but books published by major publishing houses, newspaper articles, magazine write-ups, treatment in peer-reviewed scholarly journals and websites that meet the same requirements as reputable print-based sources, etc.
You have not demonstrated the existence of such sources. The draft already notes some of this this in its reviews. The recognition section you talk about above does not help. First, articles should be made up of prose paragraphs exploring the topic, not long lists of accomplishments or credits. This article has one sentence of prose followed by lists. Encyclopedia articles are not directories or résumés. The recognition section lists other Wikipedia articles which is useless. Wikipedia is itself not a reliable source but user generated content and citation to other articles is circular. Everything else is mere mentions, all in a section which doesn't belong in the first place. All this is not to say the sources we want don't exist and the type of writing we seek can't be accomplished, but it's distinctly lacking from this draft. A proper article would strip out 90% of the list material, all of which reads as promotional and résumé fodder, and would instead have a few paragraphs of prose with reliable sources cited. To give you an example of some sources that might help, possibly this and this. Neither would be enough to sustain an article – I don't know if enough exist to sustain an article – but those are far more in the realm of the types of sources we're looking for.--
You may also want to take the Wikipedia Adventure, an interactive tour that will help you learn the basics of editing Wikipedia. You can visit The Teahouse to ask questions or seek help.
Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or to ask for help on your talk page, and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome!
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