I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Hiroh Kikai/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I see that you are very busy, so no need to reply. I just wanted to say that I am trying to list all (some perhaps only remotely) relevant photographers found in 2 good German lexika and any way you look at it there are tons of red links.-- Radh ( talk) 19:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I am currently reviewing your concerns at Demi's Birthday Suit. You have misused {{ dubious}}. The tag is not meant for things clearly stated in The New York Times such as Gair's consideration for the "Absolute Gair" campaign just because you can't believe it.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 05:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Most of the medias of Bangladesh don't publish everything online. Same goes for the Japanese medias also. In these cases, will FACTs become null and void and tags look like "[ citation needed]" hung all over articles to look bad? :-( -- Planetbd ( talk) 08:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
The rule is simple: If there are no reliable sources for assertions, those assertions can't go into articles here.
Is the CD not sold by anyone other than Alam himself? Googling for it brings breathless praise, often calling him a "Beethoven of 21st century", in the unlikeliest places, e.g. here. And here we even read that Melody Of Joy, the melodious track gives us remembrance of glorious decades of 80s and 90s with melody pops and rocks. Metal Age, followed by a melody track gives us a shot that the artist can play metal rocks with his great magic of melody too!, allegedly written by one "Samantha Stuart, Media Editor, USA". Typically these ecstatic plugs for the CD don't get much in the way of informative response. It all looks rather spammy.
Unfortunately that photo organization says little about the past "salons" and nothing at all about 1999. This is the closest there is; for each of the last three years, it talks of 130 winners of whom six won special prizes. Would Alam have been in the smaller group, or just in the larger?
Here, somebody who appears to be the same person seems keen to deal in anything and everything, although it's not clear what company he has, if any. -- Hoary ( talk) 11:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Just want to point it out that all of the major newspapers in Bangladesh have websites, and news archives going back to the early 2000s. The Daily Star is the major Bangladeshi English language newspaper ... interestingly, there is zero mention of the (author/photographer/what not) Mushfiqul Alam there since 2003. The major Bengali language newspapers (e.g. The Prothom Alo, Janakantha etc.) also have web archives, so any detailed coverage by media would not be difficult to find.
In the end, it appears to me that, using a large number of socks, Mr. Alam is simply spamming Wikipedia. I did not find any reference to him in Bangladeshi media in recent years ... the "Beethoven" posts in various forums are yet another attempt by Mr. Alam to promote himself. -- Ragib ( talk) 00:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
PS: PlanetBD's claim that Times of India has not mentioned Muhammad Yunus is incorrect. See this. Also, the claim that BDMusic.com failed to mention Asif Akbar (popularly known only as "Asif") is also incorrect. -- Ragib ( talk) 00:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Your name was recommended when I asked someone about copy editors for a FAC I'm planning to submit. I'm trying to gather pre-submission reviewers for Yukon Quest, and if you have the time, I'd love some feedback. Any level of detail you'd be willing to give would be appreciated. If not, I understand. :) Thanks. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 11:28, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the continued help with the article. I guess we're now at the trimming stage, and the things you changed about the lede are all great. If you have any questions about the remainder of the article, please don't hesitate to ask. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 06:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
That remark above was a decree by the Supreme Cabal Regime of the English Wikipedia (SCREW). It expressed an opinion that is absolutely and irrefutably true whether you like it or not. |
Mmm-hmm, it's now below 63,000 bytes for the first time since April. -- Hoary ( talk) 11:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
The Copyeditor's Barnstar | ||
For going above and beyond the call of duty in trimming Yukon Quest down to size and for improving its prose to a superior level, I award you this barnstar. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 12:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC) |
The Barnstar of Diligence | ||
For editing Yukon Quest over several weeks and nibbling away at the prose, I award you this barnstar. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 12:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC) |
I notice that you unblocked User:Shannon Rose. You may wish to follow her activities. I'm not sure of the details of the agreement she has with you, but she may be violating them. She's been pretty nasty to me an others and has filed a frivolous SPI as revenge. Note that she frequently deletes uncomfortable things from her talk page, so its appearance is not a picture of reality. Brangifer ( talk) 00:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I've just sent you a private email about the Hamsters article. Your help would be much appreciated. Bluewave ( talk) 19:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your detailed explanation which is what should have been issued by the very first editor. After reading your comments, I now see what I had to work on. But it is all too late now. I simply do not have time to do it all over again - I am spending long hours to get the web tidied up in addition to my normal work and doing work around the house! The whole experience leaves a very bad taste about Wiki. I am sure Wiki will live quite happily without information on our Project and our Project will survive without having any information about it in Wiki. But having read various comments by other potential contributors, I know I am not the only one who feels this way which is a warning sign Wiki may want to take notice of. Make things hard for people, they will willingly walk away. I know my presence in Wiki will not be missed at all but just know there will be many others who feel exactly the same way (substantiated by the comments I have read!). Good luck and thanks for taking time to respond - much appreciated. Gdesilva ( talk) 10:03, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the artcile which you can see at Talk:Jacob Riis/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I'll get to it as soon as I can. I have had a habit of reading the book whenever I visit a fast food restaurant, so I've only read as much as I can in the time it takes me to eat. I'm sure my library has other books, but I checked this one out on a hitorical interest whim, so I'll simply focus on drawing from it alone for the time being. WesleyDodds ( talk) 11:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I think you really have me all wrong. I don't know how much or how little to share. I have fought really hard in the past for these articles which LibStar and other editors have deleted.
I respect, deeply respect your contributions.
The only reason I redirected that relations page was in the fear that no one was watching it, and it would go up for deletion a second time by Libstar or other editors. I am glad that you are watching this article, there are two more AFDs today that no one is watching, that will probably be deleted, despite me adding the {{rescue}} tag and notifying the wikiprojects of the countries, this is a battle I have gone through for a year now, and which has gone on since 2007.
Finally, finally, enough of these articles have been deleted that it is almost over, and a sizable majority have been saved, even if they are only redirects, the history is intact and maybe, hopefully someone can come and unredirect these articles and work on them some other time. Ikip ( talk) 09:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Have posted a new reply here for further discussion -- not sure whether you saw that and I will look there for your reply. ---- 83d40m ( talk) 22:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
For my next project, I'm going to get either Trans-Alaska Pipeline System or Construction of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System up to FA. I've pushed both to GA (assuming the latter passes its imminent review), and wanted to get your thoughts on the matter. Which one should I go for, and what about the article do you think needs to be improved before I start getting into the nitty gritty of style? JKBrooks85 ( talk) 11:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey man, have you seen what happened to this article, List of most expensive photographs? I'm not sure this was an improvement and now that I look at it, the editor included a self-reference. I wonder if it was better the way it was before, especially since it was well-cited. TheMindsEye ( talk) 01:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi. It's the first time I edit a wikipedia page. I have his official biography because I know him. It's the same I found there http://www.amadorgallery.com/Elio%20Ciol%20-%20about.html. I don't know how to put "sourcing", could you help me? Thank you. Yakalayakala —Preceding undated comment added 10:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC).
Thank you, I understand that "law", But.... Pardon me please, I never used wiki before. ok, I will try to do my own writing, but my english is not such good as your. :( Yakalayakala —Preceding undated comment added 14:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC).
Thank you. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 03:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
With DGG there, all we need is 1027E! Mbinebri talk ← 18:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh hellfire, hadn't seen that. Feel free to blam it/ nominate it and ping me with an AfD link when you're done. Thanks, Ironholds ( talk) 13:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
You want data, check this data out: http://www.lostateminor.com/2006/10/15/peter-lik/#comments 166.129.13.151 ( talk) 15:01, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I was trying to find some sources to update the Peter Lik page when I found this http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/aug/24/strip-photo-galleries-legal-battle-over-trade-secr/ about his recent legal action involving another nearby photographer. I thought you might find it interesting given recent events! Jenafalt ( talk) 19:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Hoary, Hoary, Hoary, you count yourself as one who knows about photography? Why then would you use the word "print" to describe a "photograph"? Do you know the difference? As for your obvious bias on it being "digital" or not - do you then also assert (by this statement it suggest you do) that if am image is captured or produced digitally it cannot be or is not consider a photograph? Would love to hear how you feel on this one. 166.129.13.151 ( talk) 14:57, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Hoary - you state above: "If I'm to believe largeformatphotography.info passim (not a RS by WP standards, of course, and thus unciteable) then for some photographers" ... Well my friend you already have sited this website as a valid RS by WP standards by using it in your arguments on LOUGH....back peddling are we? This is a prime example of the double standards run rampant at Wiki. 166.129.13.151 ( talk) 14:40, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
However, Hoary, has used this reference as a means to keep a valid point OFF a page - now, here, he says its NOT a valid source. So why is it he can say it is in one place but then not in another? Isn't that a double standard if there ever was one? 166.129.13.151 ( talk) 14:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure the Lough camp will find your use of the Wiki resource, in yet another attempt to discredit and defame Lough, very interesting - so much for neutrality. Do you work for Lik? opps, have i gone too far? 166.129.13.151 ( talk) 14:35, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Hoary. I've come to the conclusion, over the few years I've been here, that Wikipedia is much harsher on real, verifiable article content than it is on blatant editor mis-behavior. But even in light of that, I think it should be pretty obvious that any editor who posts something like this cannot in any way be considered a potentially productive contributor. Any page s/he might touch would be poisoned. I realize there is probably a proper bureaucratic process for getting something like this done, but my outlook on Wikipedia would rise a bit if you could by-pass that, and find it in the goodness of your heart to block this illiterate, bigoted son-of-a-bitch permanently. Regards. Dekkappai ( talk) 15:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Hoary, just making a point regarding the recent discussion of standards on the Language refdesk. My example contrasting "you love tennis more than me" and "you love tennis more than I" was meant to illustrate the dangers of sloppy speech. I was pointing out that both sentences imply different elisions: "you love tennis more than [you love]me" vs "you love tennis more than I [love tennis]. Inadvertently you have proved my point...with your misunderstanding! Take care, Rhinoracer ( talk) 11:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
But, Hoary, your response to my initial example illustrates perfectly what I was trying to convey: that careless phrasing leads to misunderstanding. Standard English is a register of the language that, ideally, all should master to facilitate comprehension across classes and cultures. How many refdesk questions are unintelligible because the questioner has poorly framed his query? Standard English has a function quite separate from that of colloquial English. By the way, your examples of prepositional 'than' can easily be interpreted as using conjunctions..."it is longer than a foot [is]"; "poorer than poor" incorporates a conjunction linking two adjectives. Rhinoracer ( talk) 12:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Perverse? It is the truth. And yes,in matters of Standard English I will defer to the shade of Henry Fowler before I do to Huddleston & Pullum.
If you think my language tendentious, please re-read what you've written in response to me. Whatever language register one favours, courtesy is to be prized, however vigourous the debate. Rhinoracer ( talk) 18:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
This edit of yours suggests that you're interested in penises. Please read about them, don't write about them. But if you must write about them, don't write about them in irrelevant articles such as User_talk:81.157.130.209. -- User:81.157.130.209 ( talk) 14:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I've reverted your edits yet again because there is no reason for those names to be in the articles. You claim you are 'restoring' with your edits, yet the articles survived fine for months without them. And looking back at the edit history it seems it wasn't even your alleged vandal who took them out. 81.142.88.133 ( talk) 10:02, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
hey moron, perhaps you should pay attention. consensus has been reached do NOT include the welsh name in the opening or infobox of english towns. ... added (twice!) by 86.162.105.1
See this (and threads above and below) if you haven't :/ Gwen Gale ( talk) 15:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Hiroh Kikai/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I see that you are very busy, so no need to reply. I just wanted to say that I am trying to list all (some perhaps only remotely) relevant photographers found in 2 good German lexika and any way you look at it there are tons of red links.-- Radh ( talk) 19:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I am currently reviewing your concerns at Demi's Birthday Suit. You have misused {{ dubious}}. The tag is not meant for things clearly stated in The New York Times such as Gair's consideration for the "Absolute Gair" campaign just because you can't believe it.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 05:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Most of the medias of Bangladesh don't publish everything online. Same goes for the Japanese medias also. In these cases, will FACTs become null and void and tags look like "[ citation needed]" hung all over articles to look bad? :-( -- Planetbd ( talk) 08:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
The rule is simple: If there are no reliable sources for assertions, those assertions can't go into articles here.
Is the CD not sold by anyone other than Alam himself? Googling for it brings breathless praise, often calling him a "Beethoven of 21st century", in the unlikeliest places, e.g. here. And here we even read that Melody Of Joy, the melodious track gives us remembrance of glorious decades of 80s and 90s with melody pops and rocks. Metal Age, followed by a melody track gives us a shot that the artist can play metal rocks with his great magic of melody too!, allegedly written by one "Samantha Stuart, Media Editor, USA". Typically these ecstatic plugs for the CD don't get much in the way of informative response. It all looks rather spammy.
Unfortunately that photo organization says little about the past "salons" and nothing at all about 1999. This is the closest there is; for each of the last three years, it talks of 130 winners of whom six won special prizes. Would Alam have been in the smaller group, or just in the larger?
Here, somebody who appears to be the same person seems keen to deal in anything and everything, although it's not clear what company he has, if any. -- Hoary ( talk) 11:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Just want to point it out that all of the major newspapers in Bangladesh have websites, and news archives going back to the early 2000s. The Daily Star is the major Bangladeshi English language newspaper ... interestingly, there is zero mention of the (author/photographer/what not) Mushfiqul Alam there since 2003. The major Bengali language newspapers (e.g. The Prothom Alo, Janakantha etc.) also have web archives, so any detailed coverage by media would not be difficult to find.
In the end, it appears to me that, using a large number of socks, Mr. Alam is simply spamming Wikipedia. I did not find any reference to him in Bangladeshi media in recent years ... the "Beethoven" posts in various forums are yet another attempt by Mr. Alam to promote himself. -- Ragib ( talk) 00:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
PS: PlanetBD's claim that Times of India has not mentioned Muhammad Yunus is incorrect. See this. Also, the claim that BDMusic.com failed to mention Asif Akbar (popularly known only as "Asif") is also incorrect. -- Ragib ( talk) 00:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Your name was recommended when I asked someone about copy editors for a FAC I'm planning to submit. I'm trying to gather pre-submission reviewers for Yukon Quest, and if you have the time, I'd love some feedback. Any level of detail you'd be willing to give would be appreciated. If not, I understand. :) Thanks. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 11:28, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the continued help with the article. I guess we're now at the trimming stage, and the things you changed about the lede are all great. If you have any questions about the remainder of the article, please don't hesitate to ask. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 06:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
That remark above was a decree by the Supreme Cabal Regime of the English Wikipedia (SCREW). It expressed an opinion that is absolutely and irrefutably true whether you like it or not. |
Mmm-hmm, it's now below 63,000 bytes for the first time since April. -- Hoary ( talk) 11:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
The Copyeditor's Barnstar | ||
For going above and beyond the call of duty in trimming Yukon Quest down to size and for improving its prose to a superior level, I award you this barnstar. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 12:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC) |
The Barnstar of Diligence | ||
For editing Yukon Quest over several weeks and nibbling away at the prose, I award you this barnstar. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 12:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC) |
I notice that you unblocked User:Shannon Rose. You may wish to follow her activities. I'm not sure of the details of the agreement she has with you, but she may be violating them. She's been pretty nasty to me an others and has filed a frivolous SPI as revenge. Note that she frequently deletes uncomfortable things from her talk page, so its appearance is not a picture of reality. Brangifer ( talk) 00:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I've just sent you a private email about the Hamsters article. Your help would be much appreciated. Bluewave ( talk) 19:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your detailed explanation which is what should have been issued by the very first editor. After reading your comments, I now see what I had to work on. But it is all too late now. I simply do not have time to do it all over again - I am spending long hours to get the web tidied up in addition to my normal work and doing work around the house! The whole experience leaves a very bad taste about Wiki. I am sure Wiki will live quite happily without information on our Project and our Project will survive without having any information about it in Wiki. But having read various comments by other potential contributors, I know I am not the only one who feels this way which is a warning sign Wiki may want to take notice of. Make things hard for people, they will willingly walk away. I know my presence in Wiki will not be missed at all but just know there will be many others who feel exactly the same way (substantiated by the comments I have read!). Good luck and thanks for taking time to respond - much appreciated. Gdesilva ( talk) 10:03, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the artcile which you can see at Talk:Jacob Riis/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I'll get to it as soon as I can. I have had a habit of reading the book whenever I visit a fast food restaurant, so I've only read as much as I can in the time it takes me to eat. I'm sure my library has other books, but I checked this one out on a hitorical interest whim, so I'll simply focus on drawing from it alone for the time being. WesleyDodds ( talk) 11:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I think you really have me all wrong. I don't know how much or how little to share. I have fought really hard in the past for these articles which LibStar and other editors have deleted.
I respect, deeply respect your contributions.
The only reason I redirected that relations page was in the fear that no one was watching it, and it would go up for deletion a second time by Libstar or other editors. I am glad that you are watching this article, there are two more AFDs today that no one is watching, that will probably be deleted, despite me adding the {{rescue}} tag and notifying the wikiprojects of the countries, this is a battle I have gone through for a year now, and which has gone on since 2007.
Finally, finally, enough of these articles have been deleted that it is almost over, and a sizable majority have been saved, even if they are only redirects, the history is intact and maybe, hopefully someone can come and unredirect these articles and work on them some other time. Ikip ( talk) 09:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Have posted a new reply here for further discussion -- not sure whether you saw that and I will look there for your reply. ---- 83d40m ( talk) 22:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
For my next project, I'm going to get either Trans-Alaska Pipeline System or Construction of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System up to FA. I've pushed both to GA (assuming the latter passes its imminent review), and wanted to get your thoughts on the matter. Which one should I go for, and what about the article do you think needs to be improved before I start getting into the nitty gritty of style? JKBrooks85 ( talk) 11:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey man, have you seen what happened to this article, List of most expensive photographs? I'm not sure this was an improvement and now that I look at it, the editor included a self-reference. I wonder if it was better the way it was before, especially since it was well-cited. TheMindsEye ( talk) 01:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi. It's the first time I edit a wikipedia page. I have his official biography because I know him. It's the same I found there http://www.amadorgallery.com/Elio%20Ciol%20-%20about.html. I don't know how to put "sourcing", could you help me? Thank you. Yakalayakala —Preceding undated comment added 10:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC).
Thank you, I understand that "law", But.... Pardon me please, I never used wiki before. ok, I will try to do my own writing, but my english is not such good as your. :( Yakalayakala —Preceding undated comment added 14:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC).
Thank you. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 03:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
With DGG there, all we need is 1027E! Mbinebri talk ← 18:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh hellfire, hadn't seen that. Feel free to blam it/ nominate it and ping me with an AfD link when you're done. Thanks, Ironholds ( talk) 13:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
You want data, check this data out: http://www.lostateminor.com/2006/10/15/peter-lik/#comments 166.129.13.151 ( talk) 15:01, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I was trying to find some sources to update the Peter Lik page when I found this http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/aug/24/strip-photo-galleries-legal-battle-over-trade-secr/ about his recent legal action involving another nearby photographer. I thought you might find it interesting given recent events! Jenafalt ( talk) 19:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Hoary, Hoary, Hoary, you count yourself as one who knows about photography? Why then would you use the word "print" to describe a "photograph"? Do you know the difference? As for your obvious bias on it being "digital" or not - do you then also assert (by this statement it suggest you do) that if am image is captured or produced digitally it cannot be or is not consider a photograph? Would love to hear how you feel on this one. 166.129.13.151 ( talk) 14:57, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Hoary - you state above: "If I'm to believe largeformatphotography.info passim (not a RS by WP standards, of course, and thus unciteable) then for some photographers" ... Well my friend you already have sited this website as a valid RS by WP standards by using it in your arguments on LOUGH....back peddling are we? This is a prime example of the double standards run rampant at Wiki. 166.129.13.151 ( talk) 14:40, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
However, Hoary, has used this reference as a means to keep a valid point OFF a page - now, here, he says its NOT a valid source. So why is it he can say it is in one place but then not in another? Isn't that a double standard if there ever was one? 166.129.13.151 ( talk) 14:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure the Lough camp will find your use of the Wiki resource, in yet another attempt to discredit and defame Lough, very interesting - so much for neutrality. Do you work for Lik? opps, have i gone too far? 166.129.13.151 ( talk) 14:35, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Hoary. I've come to the conclusion, over the few years I've been here, that Wikipedia is much harsher on real, verifiable article content than it is on blatant editor mis-behavior. But even in light of that, I think it should be pretty obvious that any editor who posts something like this cannot in any way be considered a potentially productive contributor. Any page s/he might touch would be poisoned. I realize there is probably a proper bureaucratic process for getting something like this done, but my outlook on Wikipedia would rise a bit if you could by-pass that, and find it in the goodness of your heart to block this illiterate, bigoted son-of-a-bitch permanently. Regards. Dekkappai ( talk) 15:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Hoary, just making a point regarding the recent discussion of standards on the Language refdesk. My example contrasting "you love tennis more than me" and "you love tennis more than I" was meant to illustrate the dangers of sloppy speech. I was pointing out that both sentences imply different elisions: "you love tennis more than [you love]me" vs "you love tennis more than I [love tennis]. Inadvertently you have proved my point...with your misunderstanding! Take care, Rhinoracer ( talk) 11:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
But, Hoary, your response to my initial example illustrates perfectly what I was trying to convey: that careless phrasing leads to misunderstanding. Standard English is a register of the language that, ideally, all should master to facilitate comprehension across classes and cultures. How many refdesk questions are unintelligible because the questioner has poorly framed his query? Standard English has a function quite separate from that of colloquial English. By the way, your examples of prepositional 'than' can easily be interpreted as using conjunctions..."it is longer than a foot [is]"; "poorer than poor" incorporates a conjunction linking two adjectives. Rhinoracer ( talk) 12:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Perverse? It is the truth. And yes,in matters of Standard English I will defer to the shade of Henry Fowler before I do to Huddleston & Pullum.
If you think my language tendentious, please re-read what you've written in response to me. Whatever language register one favours, courtesy is to be prized, however vigourous the debate. Rhinoracer ( talk) 18:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
This edit of yours suggests that you're interested in penises. Please read about them, don't write about them. But if you must write about them, don't write about them in irrelevant articles such as User_talk:81.157.130.209. -- User:81.157.130.209 ( talk) 14:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I've reverted your edits yet again because there is no reason for those names to be in the articles. You claim you are 'restoring' with your edits, yet the articles survived fine for months without them. And looking back at the edit history it seems it wasn't even your alleged vandal who took them out. 81.142.88.133 ( talk) 10:02, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
hey moron, perhaps you should pay attention. consensus has been reached do NOT include the welsh name in the opening or infobox of english towns. ... added (twice!) by 86.162.105.1
See this (and threads above and below) if you haven't :/ Gwen Gale ( talk) 15:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)