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It's almost refreshing to get a good "You're a jerk because you won't let me be a vandal!" tagging, you know? Thanks for the revert. -- Antaeus Feldspar 17:18, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for voting for me for adminship. I appreciate the confidence you showed in me. Energy and patience are both very important in the field I'm going into, so I'm glad to see that I've been able to keep it up here as well. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:42, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary,
Three months after Timo Noko I think I'm addicted to VFD. =D I must thank you for that by showing me the VFD for the first time back then. Now, I am nominating vanity pages for VFD almost daily! :)
- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 07:36, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary,
The dispute on Mandarin (linguistics) (Mandarin, Japanese, and fustration) has been moved from my user talkpage to the article talkpage in question. I have never edited this article before, but I'll be more than happy in helping to ressolving this dispute if you request so. - Mailer Diablo 08:25, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I deleted his spam page. Rick K 08:24, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
They're not spam: they're services my company offers.-- 212.100.250.215 08:28, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Stop spamming the "services" that your company offers. -- Hoary 08:30, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
Mister McSpammer is now making threats. Not only that he's going to tattle to Jimbo Wales that somehow are comments are racist, but also he seems to be making physicial threats. Since I'm in California and he's in Scotland, that might prove difficult, but I still don't appreciate it. Rick K 08:35, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my RfA. I very much appreciate your confidence in me. Please let me know if you see something I should (or shouldn't) be doing as an admin. Regards, Patrick. Carbonite | Talk 13:46, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You can move the original user page straight back over the vandal's redirect. No need to delete it first. However, don't forget the redirect you'll get on the vandal's page after moving it all back to its legitimate place. :) Mgm| (talk) 10:55, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your attempt at restoring my userpage. It is all restored now. Sjakkalle 14:22, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary, just a note to say thank you so much for voting for me in my adminship nomination, and for your kind comment. I very much appreciate your support. Best, SlimVirgin 03:41, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Look, you can revert changes if you want, but you're stepping into an editing process that involves a lot more than the ones you reverted. I wrote the article.
The changes you saw are about 5% of the total just this evening, and while they may seem 'silly' alone, I think we all appreciate being able to work without people swooping in and tampering with things. Auto movil 08:51, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm not appreciating that you continue to edit this article tonight without adding anything of value. If you'd like to improve it, please take more care and/or come back later. Auto movil 09:03, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Because you stepped in right in the middle of a series of edits and decided that the ones on the latest iteration of the history page were 'silly,' which is fine. But then I asked you not to do that, and you went and played with something else on the page, making a change that didn't make any sense -- like when you ask a kid to stop touching something and he compulsively touches it again.
What's this 'pelican shit' nonsense? Some weirdo is accusing me of the same thing, and if either of you guys even looked at the history pages, it would be easy enough to find who added that link. Auto movil 09:40, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The changes help with concision, but some of them change the meanings of things -- the gerundive isn't the same as an adjective, etc., and the sentence where they're switched becomes an untrue statement (there's no figurative use of the adjective, 'shitting,' in American English, although the word necessarily has a gerundive form). Believe me: the article is a lot more difficult and complex than it looks. It's taken many hours to get it this far, and every time someone (usually myself) pulls it up to work on it, it attracts people who watch the 'recent edits' list, who swing by presuming vandalism. I restored some of your changes this morning. Auto movil 14:52, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Well, I don't mind your changes at all; it's that I was in the middle of doing my usual run of close-reading, one-phrase-at-a-time edits -- which is admittedly a bad habit -- and some other guy came in and started reverting things and accusing me of being the Pelican Bandit, or whatever that was about. So I had to chase him around the block a few times, and then everything started going all funny, with more reverts happening while I had the page in edits, etc.
Honestly, we're spending a lot of time and thought over an article on shit. I'm sure happy to let up a bit if you are. Auto movil 04:29, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am so glad you're in on this. Frankly, I can't figure this guy out. I've tried extending an olive branch, but I'm honestly doubtful it'll do any good. Guess we'll see. Thanks for the update. - Lucky 6.9 06:40, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Please witness the signing of a highly secret official cash-under-the-counter covert deal here: User_talk:THE_KING
Hi Hoary,
I would like to thank you for your vote of support and confidence for my adminship, it has been much appreciated. If you need anything in future that requires my attention, please do not hesitate to contact me. :)
- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 18:20, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Check out Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) (sect.26: “Categories and subcategories” near bottom of page) Paradiso 14:01, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary, Thank you so much for your support in my nomination. I look forward to helping out. - Banyan Tree 04:25, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my adminship — I vow to use my super powers for good not evil. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 09:35, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
just wanted to say that i do appreciate that you thought my unsquare.com journal entry on "Stupid Scientologists" was worthy enough to link from those two entries on Scientologists, but i went ahead and took the links out because everything i wrote in my entry i pulled from other sources. i figured the original sources might be more useful to folks, anyways. i do take the link as a compliment, though.
I started changing all the linking pages, only to find that you'd got there ahead of me — three edit conflicts, after which point I gave up and left it to you. I hope that the solution is acceptable to you (it seemed easier to make him a games programmer than to go through the rigmarole of moving to MS (programmer) when there was already a page there). Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 10:18, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
do you agree that saying rude things about any given cukture or subculture is not good? this is where i have issue with dreamguys edits. putting a better phrased " pesome say" thing would work, and no, i have not misunderstioood whats written, user dream guy skews the truth to his own ends, and plays mr victim a lot. please put in something on the point of discussion in the article that doesnt make it sound so rude. the rudeness is a point of view in the first place.
Gabrielsimon 10:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
i try, but when i get home from work i am dread tired. on anoter note, i am not hteonly one who disaprooves of dreamguy. in fact, one thing i wish i could get him banned for is always playing mr victim when he does things cthjat can be considered uncivil nearly constantly. i tried asking him a qeustion and he called me a vandal and a harasser.. not ot mention whats goingo n with him and others.
in fact hes insulted me on more hten one occasion. uf at the time id knowns about the civillity standards id have asked im booted for that. i can quote where whens on that one
Gabrielsimon 11:05, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
look at whats happened with a user and this dream guy fellow, he thinks evryones out to get him, this makes me think hois cries of vndal should go unheeded and he should grow up, the other user tried to make peace but got rebuked. Gabrielsimon 00:04, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:DreamGuy&action=history
04:19, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for adding Old 96 District to the Copyright Problems page. I added the Copyvio notice, entered the entry into the Copyright Problems page and clicked Save but it was very slow and I had to head off back to work. I guess it must have failed. Anyway thanks again. Cheers TigerShark 18:37, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Hoary! For your vote and very kind words in support of my RfA! And thank you, also, for pointing out the obvious about my best interests (and/or lack thereof) wrt that (overquoted) passage; indeed, a gross exception. All the best, El_C 02:50, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I should have left you a message when I did it. Your edits were, of course, perfectly correct — it's just that you'd tidied the English just after three edits by Mr Tan ( talk · contribs) which had (inter alia) introduced the poor English that you corrected (see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mr Tan). Somewhat lazily, I just rolled back to the pre-Tan version, and then did a bit more copy-editing. If it had just been the English, I'd simply have left your corrections in place, but he'd also made substantive changes to the article. Next time I'll explain when I do anything like that, however hurried I feel. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 08:46, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm watching it. Man, I've never seen so many words wasted on such an insignificant topic. Can't it still be speedied as a recreation so we can hope the matter will fade into obilivion? Shouldn't be long now. Or maybe whoever redeleted it should have let the VfD run its course, as it seemed it was doomed anyway. Well, if need be I'll re-enter by delete vote, though I would hope my previous 2 or 3 would still stand. - R. fiend 03:26, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary - I've never come across this sort of thing before, so rather than be bold and do the wrong thing, I've listed the page at
Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts. Hopefully one of the more trained mediators will know what to do about the situation before it gets too out of hand!
Grutness|
hello?
05:52, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary,
It's a long time since the last time we talked. I guess real life has gotten a bit better of me for the past few weeks and had to go on a semi-vacation. Now I'm back. :D
Anyway, the moment I returned I actually met into problems with quite a number of Singapore-related (to me, local) articles. I posted on the WikiCountry noticeboard, here's a cc anyway :
- Public Transportation Map of Singapore - This map has been repeatedly put on WP:CP, even thought it should be under Fair Use dealing. What I've heard so far is that there's no Fair Use in Singapore and LTA has properitary rights over the map. However, I did a check on the Internet and Singapore's copyright office (Intellectual Property Office of Singapore) does have a "Fair Dealing" clause. [2]. Unless ressolved once and for all, WP:CP will always come back to haunt this map.
- Anglo-Chinese School - May have over-emphasised on its achievements. Previously talkpage had comments that the article looked more like an ad. One of my friends actually questioned the validity of this encyclopedia althogether, especially when he felt that the criticisms of the school being elitist/snobbish is somewhat downplayed. I would be interested to hear on what you think on this one.
- Singapore gay movement - Needs a proper cleanup, or listed on VFD. Sometimes we just fail to know how many actual visitors look at our articles for research and information, as well as trusting that these articles are neutral and reliable. It was listed as an problem article some time ago for its advocate nature, and surprisingly some joker in my JC actually used this information to his research paper on prejudices and discrimmination.
- Nanyang Girls' High School - Listed for POV Check months ago for some alleged prejudices of its students, annoyed NYGH alum-mata has removed the offending section and now it's a very poor stub. Needs to be reworked on. See Talk:Nanyang Girls' High School
- NPNT - Going, going, gone on VFD. If it doesn't qualify as a full-fledged article, then at least it should qualify to be on Wiktionary. (Notable abbrev. in Singapore jargon context)
Would love to hear your comments about them. Looking forward to your response. ;)
- Cheers and Best Regards, Mailer Diablo 19:25, 7 May 2005 (UTC) :)
How are things in the year 2025? android↔ talk 15:35, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
Hoary, thanks for your recent work in replacing MPP by Member of Provincial Parliament. Avoiding the dismabigaution page is a useful service to the reader.
I encourage you to continue this, and to go one step further. Standard writing style dictates that, at the first instance of an initialism or acronym, the phrase that is initialized be spelled out in full so that the reader who is unfamiliar with it doesn't have to try to guess.
In Wikipedia, we have the wonderful linking process that helps out the reader, but it is even more convenient for the reader to follow standard writing style. Writing "[[Member of Provincial Parliament]] (MPP)" makes it even easier for the reader to follow the article through without having to jump to other pages. Later references can use just "MPP", because the reader can easily refer back to the fully-spelled out version if he/she has forgotten what MPP means.
Also, "MPP" was not adopted by the Ontario legislature until 1938. Before that, members were known as MLAs, as in most other provinces.
I like your header about replying on the same page. I hope that you don't mind if I steal it for my own talk page. Thanks, and keep up the good work. Ground Zero 15:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Re the pictures you have posted a comment on:
Well He Ho Brookie:the wind in the grass 15:46, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
So you know, the Alternative 1 you used the adjective "sucks" to describe is the current Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) policy, and the reason for the survey is precisely because a number of people made it quite clear we thought it a bad policy. However, we were assured, the policy had been adopted in a prior consensus, and much discussion ensued. The reason for the complexity of the ranking system is simply that any simpler approach would have been subject to manipulation. Indeed, only because we are using the Cloneproof Schwartz Sequential Dropping method is it possible to arrive at a conclusive result at all, given present votes.
I have scored your preferences as 5>2=3=4>1 in accordance with your First choice for 5 and implicitly Fifth choice for 1. Please take a look at the Current Results section if you want to see what a mess this would have been if we had opted for any other approach. Whig 08:36, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Let me chirp in: The voting itself is pretty straightforward (rank as many choices as you like), but I think that the format we're using now makes the page to long to bother to read.
Hoary, Judging by your comment,you would probably prefer #4 (don't employ styles, but describe them somewhere else then in the opening sentence) to #5 (throw out the vote), and definitely to #2 (employ styles for noncontroversial people). Zocky 14:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Again, my thanks to what were two and now are three of you, politely pointing out that I may have made this or that misunderstanding. Sorry, but I see no reason why an WP article should be obliged to say anywhere, let alone in the first paragraph, that any chauffeured personage should be addressed as majesty, excellence, holiness, etc. This stuff doesn't belong in any newspaper I pay money for (though I suppose I'd have no choice if I had the misfortune to find myself in Pyongyang), and I think it belongs in Fantasized Social Climbing for Dummies rather than encyclopedia entries on particular people. On the other hand I'd have no objections to an article on Prefixed honorary titles. And stuff like this could briefly be noted in Prime Minister, etc. -- Hoary 05:23, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
Please note that I have disputed the neutrality of this article. Jguk reverted my NPOV template, claiming that the NPOV dispute is just a personal campaign of one person. Whig 09:47, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
The fact of accusatons and convictions of IP theft by Microsoft is important in understanding the irony. But you are right that the itemized list is better refered to rather than relisted in thought thieves. Thank you for helping to improve the article. 4.250.198.126 10:27, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
After reading your discussion page, I have great confidence in your intentions. Further I agree that "cooler is more persuasive" as a rule. The facts in an article are best known by those who care the most about it and thus are typically biased (POV). Anytime I create an article, I try to keep that in mind. I'm just happy I generally recognize a superior edit when I see it, even when my emotional involvement in a topic prevents me from coming up with a NPOV way of expressing the thing in the first place. If a naive reader doesn't get the irony, then Thought Thieves is inadequate. "Many people believe Pol Pot's contributions to population control might possibly be an inadequate compensation for what some might perceive as politically incorrect behavior." I KNOW you would not turn Thought Thieves into some such mush !! But there are those who would. Maybe. Anyway, again thanks. 4.250.198.126 11:25, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary - you wrote - WP has a keen new contributor... I've reverted all those to Glasgow (of which 10% might have some merit, but I lacked the stamina to look); but those to Maryhill, etc., are quite beyond me. As you've done some work on these pages, you might like to keep an eye open for further contributions.
thanks i will try and learn what you have shown me i intend to go over my punctuation, though i feel what has been written about Glasgow is wrong and very negitive) p.s dont know how else to reply to your mesages thanking you.
You're right (and JMBell can get overheated) — but Mr Tan ( talk · contribs) has been a problem for some considerable time (not only in this incarnation, but under an earlier user name). He has insulted other editors for their use of English, has aggressively taken over articles wholesale in order to impose his own peculiar notions of grammar and style on them, the RfC on him (and another on his earlier self) is unanimous in criticism of him, yet he continues to insist that he can copyedit pages, and that the fault is in others. His English is, in fact, about the worst I've seen of any regular editor's (and I can only recall one of my undergraduates whose English was worse — than which there can be no more damning comment); his insistence that he's in a position to correct others consequently tends to send the temperature of debate soaring. He claims, incidentally, that English is his first language, and that the problem is simply the difference between British and U.S. English and his own rather vaguely Asian (he doesn't give away his origin, though he says that he lives in Singapore at the moment).
This shouldn't have spilt over onto the Village Pump, but I hope that you can see that it's understandable if not excusable. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 15:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I never said that I'm tactless or that I'm rude. And I do not violate Wikipedian policy for no personal attacks for the simple fact that criticism is different from personal attacks. If your professor went up to you and said "James, this is the worst thing I've read in a thousand years," would this classify as a personal attack? NO. One needs to state the fact to a person, and, yes, sometimes even exaggerate it, so that the addressee may be able to fix his mistakes straightaway and not wonder what or how severe the problem really is. If my professor were to say "James, your work is really good, but could use some improving," would I know how bad it is? Of course not. What I am doing is an act of consideration, which cannot be seen directly as a considerate act, but the motive of which spells the difference between this type of criticism and a personal attack. A personal attack is obviously a malicious deed. My criticisms are not. And though I am blunt, I try as much as possible to be tactful, though sometimes this is not apparent. I can assure you that my motives are completely innocent and of friendly nature, though if you want, you can always launch an RfC against me where I can properly defend myself from all these misconceptions. JM Bell ° 19:20, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
cc: You may be interested to see what he has left on my talkpage. - Mailer Diablo 05:40, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Could you please have a look at the entry for birmingham, the information is copied word for word from the web site >>>> [encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Birmingham] Also just over 20 million people visit the U.K each year you have my assurance that not every single tourists visits birmingham, It is of no significant historical value except being mentioned in the doomsday book and of no great commercial importance compared to manchester and London or not like cities like Liverpool, Brighton and Oxford i don't see how this person claimms that 22 million people visit the city each year, its a completely bias and grand opinion of the city. it's a very industrial city. - Babyoil (originally posted to your user page, sig added by Hadal 04:50, 25 May 2005 (UTC))
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It's almost refreshing to get a good "You're a jerk because you won't let me be a vandal!" tagging, you know? Thanks for the revert. -- Antaeus Feldspar 17:18, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for voting for me for adminship. I appreciate the confidence you showed in me. Energy and patience are both very important in the field I'm going into, so I'm glad to see that I've been able to keep it up here as well. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:42, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary,
Three months after Timo Noko I think I'm addicted to VFD. =D I must thank you for that by showing me the VFD for the first time back then. Now, I am nominating vanity pages for VFD almost daily! :)
- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 07:36, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary,
The dispute on Mandarin (linguistics) (Mandarin, Japanese, and fustration) has been moved from my user talkpage to the article talkpage in question. I have never edited this article before, but I'll be more than happy in helping to ressolving this dispute if you request so. - Mailer Diablo 08:25, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I deleted his spam page. Rick K 08:24, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
They're not spam: they're services my company offers.-- 212.100.250.215 08:28, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Stop spamming the "services" that your company offers. -- Hoary 08:30, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
Mister McSpammer is now making threats. Not only that he's going to tattle to Jimbo Wales that somehow are comments are racist, but also he seems to be making physicial threats. Since I'm in California and he's in Scotland, that might prove difficult, but I still don't appreciate it. Rick K 08:35, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my RfA. I very much appreciate your confidence in me. Please let me know if you see something I should (or shouldn't) be doing as an admin. Regards, Patrick. Carbonite | Talk 13:46, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You can move the original user page straight back over the vandal's redirect. No need to delete it first. However, don't forget the redirect you'll get on the vandal's page after moving it all back to its legitimate place. :) Mgm| (talk) 10:55, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your attempt at restoring my userpage. It is all restored now. Sjakkalle 14:22, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary, just a note to say thank you so much for voting for me in my adminship nomination, and for your kind comment. I very much appreciate your support. Best, SlimVirgin 03:41, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Look, you can revert changes if you want, but you're stepping into an editing process that involves a lot more than the ones you reverted. I wrote the article.
The changes you saw are about 5% of the total just this evening, and while they may seem 'silly' alone, I think we all appreciate being able to work without people swooping in and tampering with things. Auto movil 08:51, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm not appreciating that you continue to edit this article tonight without adding anything of value. If you'd like to improve it, please take more care and/or come back later. Auto movil 09:03, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Because you stepped in right in the middle of a series of edits and decided that the ones on the latest iteration of the history page were 'silly,' which is fine. But then I asked you not to do that, and you went and played with something else on the page, making a change that didn't make any sense -- like when you ask a kid to stop touching something and he compulsively touches it again.
What's this 'pelican shit' nonsense? Some weirdo is accusing me of the same thing, and if either of you guys even looked at the history pages, it would be easy enough to find who added that link. Auto movil 09:40, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The changes help with concision, but some of them change the meanings of things -- the gerundive isn't the same as an adjective, etc., and the sentence where they're switched becomes an untrue statement (there's no figurative use of the adjective, 'shitting,' in American English, although the word necessarily has a gerundive form). Believe me: the article is a lot more difficult and complex than it looks. It's taken many hours to get it this far, and every time someone (usually myself) pulls it up to work on it, it attracts people who watch the 'recent edits' list, who swing by presuming vandalism. I restored some of your changes this morning. Auto movil 14:52, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Well, I don't mind your changes at all; it's that I was in the middle of doing my usual run of close-reading, one-phrase-at-a-time edits -- which is admittedly a bad habit -- and some other guy came in and started reverting things and accusing me of being the Pelican Bandit, or whatever that was about. So I had to chase him around the block a few times, and then everything started going all funny, with more reverts happening while I had the page in edits, etc.
Honestly, we're spending a lot of time and thought over an article on shit. I'm sure happy to let up a bit if you are. Auto movil 04:29, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am so glad you're in on this. Frankly, I can't figure this guy out. I've tried extending an olive branch, but I'm honestly doubtful it'll do any good. Guess we'll see. Thanks for the update. - Lucky 6.9 06:40, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Please witness the signing of a highly secret official cash-under-the-counter covert deal here: User_talk:THE_KING
Hi Hoary,
I would like to thank you for your vote of support and confidence for my adminship, it has been much appreciated. If you need anything in future that requires my attention, please do not hesitate to contact me. :)
- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 18:20, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Check out Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) (sect.26: “Categories and subcategories” near bottom of page) Paradiso 14:01, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary, Thank you so much for your support in my nomination. I look forward to helping out. - Banyan Tree 04:25, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my adminship — I vow to use my super powers for good not evil. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 09:35, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
just wanted to say that i do appreciate that you thought my unsquare.com journal entry on "Stupid Scientologists" was worthy enough to link from those two entries on Scientologists, but i went ahead and took the links out because everything i wrote in my entry i pulled from other sources. i figured the original sources might be more useful to folks, anyways. i do take the link as a compliment, though.
I started changing all the linking pages, only to find that you'd got there ahead of me — three edit conflicts, after which point I gave up and left it to you. I hope that the solution is acceptable to you (it seemed easier to make him a games programmer than to go through the rigmarole of moving to MS (programmer) when there was already a page there). Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 10:18, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
do you agree that saying rude things about any given cukture or subculture is not good? this is where i have issue with dreamguys edits. putting a better phrased " pesome say" thing would work, and no, i have not misunderstioood whats written, user dream guy skews the truth to his own ends, and plays mr victim a lot. please put in something on the point of discussion in the article that doesnt make it sound so rude. the rudeness is a point of view in the first place.
Gabrielsimon 10:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
i try, but when i get home from work i am dread tired. on anoter note, i am not hteonly one who disaprooves of dreamguy. in fact, one thing i wish i could get him banned for is always playing mr victim when he does things cthjat can be considered uncivil nearly constantly. i tried asking him a qeustion and he called me a vandal and a harasser.. not ot mention whats goingo n with him and others.
in fact hes insulted me on more hten one occasion. uf at the time id knowns about the civillity standards id have asked im booted for that. i can quote where whens on that one
Gabrielsimon 11:05, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
look at whats happened with a user and this dream guy fellow, he thinks evryones out to get him, this makes me think hois cries of vndal should go unheeded and he should grow up, the other user tried to make peace but got rebuked. Gabrielsimon 00:04, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:DreamGuy&action=history
04:19, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for adding Old 96 District to the Copyright Problems page. I added the Copyvio notice, entered the entry into the Copyright Problems page and clicked Save but it was very slow and I had to head off back to work. I guess it must have failed. Anyway thanks again. Cheers TigerShark 18:37, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Hoary! For your vote and very kind words in support of my RfA! And thank you, also, for pointing out the obvious about my best interests (and/or lack thereof) wrt that (overquoted) passage; indeed, a gross exception. All the best, El_C 02:50, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I should have left you a message when I did it. Your edits were, of course, perfectly correct — it's just that you'd tidied the English just after three edits by Mr Tan ( talk · contribs) which had (inter alia) introduced the poor English that you corrected (see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mr Tan). Somewhat lazily, I just rolled back to the pre-Tan version, and then did a bit more copy-editing. If it had just been the English, I'd simply have left your corrections in place, but he'd also made substantive changes to the article. Next time I'll explain when I do anything like that, however hurried I feel. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 08:46, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm watching it. Man, I've never seen so many words wasted on such an insignificant topic. Can't it still be speedied as a recreation so we can hope the matter will fade into obilivion? Shouldn't be long now. Or maybe whoever redeleted it should have let the VfD run its course, as it seemed it was doomed anyway. Well, if need be I'll re-enter by delete vote, though I would hope my previous 2 or 3 would still stand. - R. fiend 03:26, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary - I've never come across this sort of thing before, so rather than be bold and do the wrong thing, I've listed the page at
Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts. Hopefully one of the more trained mediators will know what to do about the situation before it gets too out of hand!
Grutness|
hello?
05:52, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary,
It's a long time since the last time we talked. I guess real life has gotten a bit better of me for the past few weeks and had to go on a semi-vacation. Now I'm back. :D
Anyway, the moment I returned I actually met into problems with quite a number of Singapore-related (to me, local) articles. I posted on the WikiCountry noticeboard, here's a cc anyway :
- Public Transportation Map of Singapore - This map has been repeatedly put on WP:CP, even thought it should be under Fair Use dealing. What I've heard so far is that there's no Fair Use in Singapore and LTA has properitary rights over the map. However, I did a check on the Internet and Singapore's copyright office (Intellectual Property Office of Singapore) does have a "Fair Dealing" clause. [2]. Unless ressolved once and for all, WP:CP will always come back to haunt this map.
- Anglo-Chinese School - May have over-emphasised on its achievements. Previously talkpage had comments that the article looked more like an ad. One of my friends actually questioned the validity of this encyclopedia althogether, especially when he felt that the criticisms of the school being elitist/snobbish is somewhat downplayed. I would be interested to hear on what you think on this one.
- Singapore gay movement - Needs a proper cleanup, or listed on VFD. Sometimes we just fail to know how many actual visitors look at our articles for research and information, as well as trusting that these articles are neutral and reliable. It was listed as an problem article some time ago for its advocate nature, and surprisingly some joker in my JC actually used this information to his research paper on prejudices and discrimmination.
- Nanyang Girls' High School - Listed for POV Check months ago for some alleged prejudices of its students, annoyed NYGH alum-mata has removed the offending section and now it's a very poor stub. Needs to be reworked on. See Talk:Nanyang Girls' High School
- NPNT - Going, going, gone on VFD. If it doesn't qualify as a full-fledged article, then at least it should qualify to be on Wiktionary. (Notable abbrev. in Singapore jargon context)
Would love to hear your comments about them. Looking forward to your response. ;)
- Cheers and Best Regards, Mailer Diablo 19:25, 7 May 2005 (UTC) :)
How are things in the year 2025? android↔ talk 15:35, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
Hoary, thanks for your recent work in replacing MPP by Member of Provincial Parliament. Avoiding the dismabigaution page is a useful service to the reader.
I encourage you to continue this, and to go one step further. Standard writing style dictates that, at the first instance of an initialism or acronym, the phrase that is initialized be spelled out in full so that the reader who is unfamiliar with it doesn't have to try to guess.
In Wikipedia, we have the wonderful linking process that helps out the reader, but it is even more convenient for the reader to follow standard writing style. Writing "[[Member of Provincial Parliament]] (MPP)" makes it even easier for the reader to follow the article through without having to jump to other pages. Later references can use just "MPP", because the reader can easily refer back to the fully-spelled out version if he/she has forgotten what MPP means.
Also, "MPP" was not adopted by the Ontario legislature until 1938. Before that, members were known as MLAs, as in most other provinces.
I like your header about replying on the same page. I hope that you don't mind if I steal it for my own talk page. Thanks, and keep up the good work. Ground Zero 15:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Re the pictures you have posted a comment on:
Well He Ho Brookie:the wind in the grass 15:46, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
So you know, the Alternative 1 you used the adjective "sucks" to describe is the current Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) policy, and the reason for the survey is precisely because a number of people made it quite clear we thought it a bad policy. However, we were assured, the policy had been adopted in a prior consensus, and much discussion ensued. The reason for the complexity of the ranking system is simply that any simpler approach would have been subject to manipulation. Indeed, only because we are using the Cloneproof Schwartz Sequential Dropping method is it possible to arrive at a conclusive result at all, given present votes.
I have scored your preferences as 5>2=3=4>1 in accordance with your First choice for 5 and implicitly Fifth choice for 1. Please take a look at the Current Results section if you want to see what a mess this would have been if we had opted for any other approach. Whig 08:36, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Let me chirp in: The voting itself is pretty straightforward (rank as many choices as you like), but I think that the format we're using now makes the page to long to bother to read.
Hoary, Judging by your comment,you would probably prefer #4 (don't employ styles, but describe them somewhere else then in the opening sentence) to #5 (throw out the vote), and definitely to #2 (employ styles for noncontroversial people). Zocky 14:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Again, my thanks to what were two and now are three of you, politely pointing out that I may have made this or that misunderstanding. Sorry, but I see no reason why an WP article should be obliged to say anywhere, let alone in the first paragraph, that any chauffeured personage should be addressed as majesty, excellence, holiness, etc. This stuff doesn't belong in any newspaper I pay money for (though I suppose I'd have no choice if I had the misfortune to find myself in Pyongyang), and I think it belongs in Fantasized Social Climbing for Dummies rather than encyclopedia entries on particular people. On the other hand I'd have no objections to an article on Prefixed honorary titles. And stuff like this could briefly be noted in Prime Minister, etc. -- Hoary 05:23, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
Please note that I have disputed the neutrality of this article. Jguk reverted my NPOV template, claiming that the NPOV dispute is just a personal campaign of one person. Whig 09:47, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
The fact of accusatons and convictions of IP theft by Microsoft is important in understanding the irony. But you are right that the itemized list is better refered to rather than relisted in thought thieves. Thank you for helping to improve the article. 4.250.198.126 10:27, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
After reading your discussion page, I have great confidence in your intentions. Further I agree that "cooler is more persuasive" as a rule. The facts in an article are best known by those who care the most about it and thus are typically biased (POV). Anytime I create an article, I try to keep that in mind. I'm just happy I generally recognize a superior edit when I see it, even when my emotional involvement in a topic prevents me from coming up with a NPOV way of expressing the thing in the first place. If a naive reader doesn't get the irony, then Thought Thieves is inadequate. "Many people believe Pol Pot's contributions to population control might possibly be an inadequate compensation for what some might perceive as politically incorrect behavior." I KNOW you would not turn Thought Thieves into some such mush !! But there are those who would. Maybe. Anyway, again thanks. 4.250.198.126 11:25, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Hoary - you wrote - WP has a keen new contributor... I've reverted all those to Glasgow (of which 10% might have some merit, but I lacked the stamina to look); but those to Maryhill, etc., are quite beyond me. As you've done some work on these pages, you might like to keep an eye open for further contributions.
thanks i will try and learn what you have shown me i intend to go over my punctuation, though i feel what has been written about Glasgow is wrong and very negitive) p.s dont know how else to reply to your mesages thanking you.
You're right (and JMBell can get overheated) — but Mr Tan ( talk · contribs) has been a problem for some considerable time (not only in this incarnation, but under an earlier user name). He has insulted other editors for their use of English, has aggressively taken over articles wholesale in order to impose his own peculiar notions of grammar and style on them, the RfC on him (and another on his earlier self) is unanimous in criticism of him, yet he continues to insist that he can copyedit pages, and that the fault is in others. His English is, in fact, about the worst I've seen of any regular editor's (and I can only recall one of my undergraduates whose English was worse — than which there can be no more damning comment); his insistence that he's in a position to correct others consequently tends to send the temperature of debate soaring. He claims, incidentally, that English is his first language, and that the problem is simply the difference between British and U.S. English and his own rather vaguely Asian (he doesn't give away his origin, though he says that he lives in Singapore at the moment).
This shouldn't have spilt over onto the Village Pump, but I hope that you can see that it's understandable if not excusable. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 15:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I never said that I'm tactless or that I'm rude. And I do not violate Wikipedian policy for no personal attacks for the simple fact that criticism is different from personal attacks. If your professor went up to you and said "James, this is the worst thing I've read in a thousand years," would this classify as a personal attack? NO. One needs to state the fact to a person, and, yes, sometimes even exaggerate it, so that the addressee may be able to fix his mistakes straightaway and not wonder what or how severe the problem really is. If my professor were to say "James, your work is really good, but could use some improving," would I know how bad it is? Of course not. What I am doing is an act of consideration, which cannot be seen directly as a considerate act, but the motive of which spells the difference between this type of criticism and a personal attack. A personal attack is obviously a malicious deed. My criticisms are not. And though I am blunt, I try as much as possible to be tactful, though sometimes this is not apparent. I can assure you that my motives are completely innocent and of friendly nature, though if you want, you can always launch an RfC against me where I can properly defend myself from all these misconceptions. JM Bell ° 19:20, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
cc: You may be interested to see what he has left on my talkpage. - Mailer Diablo 05:40, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Could you please have a look at the entry for birmingham, the information is copied word for word from the web site >>>> [encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Birmingham] Also just over 20 million people visit the U.K each year you have my assurance that not every single tourists visits birmingham, It is of no significant historical value except being mentioned in the doomsday book and of no great commercial importance compared to manchester and London or not like cities like Liverpool, Brighton and Oxford i don't see how this person claimms that 22 million people visit the city each year, its a completely bias and grand opinion of the city. it's a very industrial city. - Babyoil (originally posted to your user page, sig added by Hadal 04:50, 25 May 2005 (UTC))