June 8 - July 30, 2006: Archive #16
Is it possible to restore the Lum Therion article you deleted for a short while? The staff of Solaris RPG Online are moving all the current articles onto a wiki hosted on our own servers to escape the (apologies here, but I feel I must be honest) inane ideas of what does and doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Yes, internet space is limited but the end is barely in sight. Anyway, Most of the others have been copied but the Lum Therion article was gone before I had a chance to back it up. Please let me know ASAP if the article is gone forever or if I can get a copy of it.
Thank you - just... thank you, G. It's not everyday that one of those Wikipedians you deeply admire and look up to says something so kind and beautiful to little me. I can't find the right words to express myself right now, so before I get too emotional (again...), I'll just give you another kiss (hoping I could give it to you in person). I promise I won't let much time pass again before visiting you - after all, that's what I bookmarked your userpage 5 months ago for! Peace & kisses to you, Phædriel ♥ tell me - 17:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello George this is CAYA you vandalised my home page and I just wanted to tell you THANK YOU! your welcome back anytime.
Could you, please? I'm busy, I have to go to the PO! :-) Bishonen | talk 11:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC).
I enjoyed your answer to the question about ethics and reality on the reference desk. Thanks for volunteering your time here! -- Fastfission 15:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey Geogre,
There's currently some renewed discussion about whether and how to set up [a] US wikimedia chapter[s]. Among other things this could help better organize meetups, gatherings at large events and cons, and local outreach. I'm notifying people who have been actively involved in local meetups; but of course there are also those who are far from a perfect meetup locale who care about the discussion... if you are interested, there is a quiet mailing-list and a meta-page on the topic, both of which could use input and ideas. +sj + 17:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey. I have rendered my part of Colley Cibber completely verifiable, IMO. (And without any ten footnotes, I can assure you.) Would you like to add any inline cites or other means of verification for the Dunciad part? Bishonen | talk 15:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC).
I'm concerned about a pair of rather odd "principles" that look likely to be handed down in an ongoing arbitration: Making arbitrary decisions and Accepting an arbitrary decision. Can you have a look and tell me if I'm just being paranoid? - brenneman {L} 06:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Geogre. Just wanted to let you know that I'll be starting (restarting) work on some of the individual English martyrs next week. I still remember your challenge to Catholics to produce something on the saints. Also, on a completely unrelated matter, if you're familiar with arguments about British versus American English, could you take a look at Talk:Jelly roll and give some advice. I'd like to move the article to swiss roll, or start a swiss roll article, but I don't know if that's just my closed European mind! In any case, I'm not happy with the article as it currently stands. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 11:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for weighing in on Jelly roll, Geogre. Have a slice. Hope you like it. The new article swiss roll is well underway now. By the way, I found this article, so I'm wondering should I add:
to the beginning of the swiss roll article, but I'm not sure what I should put for X X X X. My knowledge of optics isn't impressive.
I'm amazed at how difficult it is to find background information about the history of the swiss roll. I looked up several large, hardback, encyclopaedia-type cookery books this morning, and none of them said whether or not it really is Swiss, when it originated / became popular, etc. Lots of recipes, and information about what would happen if you overmixed the flour, etc., but nothing on where it comes from.
I do, however, have a lot of background information about the English martyrs, so I should be ashamed of myself for not having contributed more to that area. I know what you mean about people wanting desperately to insert prayers, etc. I knew that this edit was badly needed, but I never got round to doing it.
Thanks again for your help. AnnH ♫ 14:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, when you speedied The Horrifics you forgot to close the AfD. Done it for you, but just letting you know. Viridae 09:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey hey! Did you even know it's on the Main Page today? :-) I didn't! Bishonen | talk 00:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC).
Thanks. It's ironic that, after yelling at people about blocking AOL proxies, it's an AOL IP who keeps hitting both the article and my talk page. Oh, well. I'm being the model of patience by just blocking for :15 at a time every time he hits. It should at least inconvenience him. However, I've now attracted the "MOS says no apostrophes in dates, so I have fixed your article for you" edits. The MOS doesn't say that, and, if it does, then it's favoring British over US usage and forcing it on the whole project. I know it's a stupid thing to edit war about, but I will edit war in the service of logic. Anyway, thanks for the compliment. My most recent artistic inspiration isn't bad, either. I keep beavering away in silence, for the most part. Fewer people are interested in talking about stuff than are interested in talking about people. Geogre 04:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Long time, no see. Thanks for the compliment. It's a very short novel, and that's at least as important a reason why it's the "most studied of Behn's works" as its subject matter. When you've got to cover "Shakespeare to moment of speaking in 15 weeks" in a survey class, or even "Dryden to Johnson" in 15 weeks, you tend to look for short novels. The students won't read long works, and you can't do plays unless you're teaching a drama class. That said, it is an interesting read, especially if you keep an eye on the political, both her political argument and the hidden assumptions of colonialism that she was unaware of writing. Defoe is miles more sophisticated and "modern" looking to us, but Behn is the fresh strike, and you can really see the novel being made. Geogre 04:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, I had never bothered to read up on Mary Beale. She is interesting. The name not said in that article is Kneller. I mention this because miniatures and cameos became a vogue around the turn of the century, and it reached a level of artisanship that's simply incomprehensible. The article kind of dismisses her miniatures, and that's a mistake. When she went that way, she was following the market, if not philosophy. Lely is very important, of course, although not recognized as a Great Artist by most history books, and I like his pictures, not being an art snob but just an edumacated dilletente. So where is the tea? I'm not sure I want to go to anyone's budoir but my own, unless she's very pretty and crazy enough to be inviting me there. Geogre 15:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you to all the people who helped monitor and preserve poor little Oroonoko while it was on the main page. That seemed like a very long 24 hours, but there have been some very good edits. Additionally, the Aphra Behn article, which I've never touched and kept on my "I'm meaning to fix it" list for 2 years, has been getting a lot of tinkering -- more in one day than it had in the last 2 years. I'm glad that article is messy and bad enough to invite helping hands and that it doesn't have a mother hen like me overing over it and WP:OWNing it. Geogre 03:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Love that painting on your talk page. Is that really you? It looks like a 19th century painting. -- RND 20:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Geogre! You are the rogue who provided Image:Book-auctioneer.png - I was jsut thinking where does one get a scan, found yours - yet could't have you done it with supressing the moiré-effect Moiré pattern. One must suppress this thing when scanning materials which are based on regular patters such as photgraphic images in news papers and books etc. (original engravings are, of course exempted...). Hope everything else is fine (just writing a preface to Delarivier Manley's Rivella (1714) [3], enjoy the summer wherever that is, -- Olaf Simons 16:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Policy disagreements not withstanding, I like your section heading Rhadamanthus emerges from Hades for a brief moment. It brightened my day, in a gloomy subterranean kind of way. Tom Harrison Talk 17:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Fantastic additions to Lazarus and Dives, by the way. I'm really unsettled by the article's stepping into interpretation, as I worry that once the door is open a crack, it'll be openned to the cranks. Geogre 19:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Now there's an idea. If they survive getting beaned by the Summa Theologica, we'll worry about them. Every time they add an "interpretation," we'll ask them what Aquinas says about it, refer them to a chapter of it at random, and then see if that doesn't reform them or make their heads explode. Geogre 11:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, it’s me bloger:
Even though it’s not really a difference because the page about the TTJ was deleted already, but for arguments sake, and my personal filings I’ll like to ask you to please read my edit on the notability of the TTJ and tell me what you think, and mostly if it changes its stands as far as notability is concerned.
(And since it’s deleted already, I’ll post the edit here:)
Ok, I think I understand the concerns of the editors and I will try to address them.
On the concern of verifiability:
As per the definition by Deathphoenix quote:
“Verifiability means that it be proven (usually online) that the subject exists”
I think it’s understood that at least for a minimum the article in “Der Yid” I posted and translated has addressed it to the extend that we now know that this organization exists at all, and its outside of a few people with a website, but rather it’s an organization that does much more then host a site as is put out in the newspaper article.
About the concern of notability:
Again as per Deathphoenix who has put out three possibilities on being notable.
1) That a lot of people or articles mention TTJ.
2) That TTJ has historical significance.
3) That TTJ has a web site that is very popular (usually shown by having lots of Google hits or a high Alexa rank,
And was wider elaborated by Geogre quote:
“Some web sites are so significant that they have an impact on the world. How do we determine if a particular web site is one of those? Well, there are a lot of ways, but one of them is how many hits a day the site gets”
I’ll start with # 2):
Firstly, It’s my opinion, – because it’s opposite of conventional wisdom –, Orthodox Jewish anti-Zionism – in a non political manner which may be the case in reform Jewish communities – but rather in a biblical founded manner is something of historical significance given that its common belief in the world that Orthodox Jews are “all” staunch supporters of the state of Israel (and many in fact are) so anything proving otherwise is of historical significance.
Secondly, the position of satmar on any mater (related to religious subjects) given that satmar is one of the – if not the – biggest Orthodox Jewish Hasidic group with an Estimated 100,000 to 120,000 members is of historical significance.
In other words, if satmar should have an opinion on - let’s say - a major issue in Jewish-Christian relations it’s of historical significance given that it’s the opinion of some 100,000 thousand people in the Jewish religion.
The point being, that as I somewhat established in the article discussion page – although without unanimous consent – that the group TTJ is the de-facto podium of satmar in the non-satmar world given that other then this, satmar doesn’t have another avenue of featuring there opinion on the matter in the non satmar environment.
The above said, its can be clamed that TTJ is not just another group but rather it’s satmar and satmar is notable as per historical significance as said above.
Now to # 3:
This is a bit complicated firstly, because when one checks the “Alexa rank” for a site like TTJ one cannot compare it to any other site, because for example, sure the Drudge Report or CNN are going to have a better rank then a site talking about Botswana in South Africa because there are many more people interested in politics and news then in Botswana, the strength of the above sites is that between there pairs they rank well for example CNN ranks better then FOX, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, the same with drudge.
Secondly, Now once we have established that we have another hurdle we have to determine if the subject talked about in these sites are notable for example if a certain family has a few sites and one of them is ten-fold more popular between the family members then the rest doesn’t mean it made an impact and is wikipedia notable because its only that immediate family that is being impacted by them.
Thirdly, how is an impact measured? For example, Amazon or eBay cannot be satisfied if the same amount of people that visit the most popular info site come by and look at there site for info only the goal is for people to buy stuff on these sits not come there for info.
Therefore, once it’s established that:
1) The issue of Orthodox Jewish anti-Zionism is a wikipedia notable subject. 2) The goal of the TTJ is to inform people on the subject, which is achieved, by people visiting there site and reading the info.
Than we can measure this site according to the other sites of the same subject and with the same goal.
On that scale, the site of the TTJ outperformed its nearest competitors in a big way the sites of the Neturei Karta www.nkusa.org , www.jewsnotzionists.org .The TTJ has reached at its highest point (in ’04) to almost 100 on the daily reach while the others have reached only up to about a 38 on the first one and a 30 for the second one.
This is to say that on the goal of reaching the world it did have a big impact and is popular, which makes it notable.
Ok, let me try to respond. First, I think that the verifiability is satisfied, so you have that. I personally think that the site/group is notable within the Orthodox community. Therefore, the question is whether the group is so known/commented upon that it will be sought by readers who are non-Orthodox or not. I can't quite answer that from the arguments above. However, if the answer is "no," then that still doesn't mean that there is no place for the information. If only people in the Orthodox and Zionism communities will want to know about this group (and the Zionist movement continues, as you know, among the Reform and Liberal communities), then the group should be mentioned, and their movement, in the articles on Orthodox Judaism and Zionism articles. If the site/group has created enough of a stir that people outside of those communities are encountering it, then it needs a stand alone article. I think that this is more of an issue that's still known and relevant within the communities of Orthodoxy, but I could be wrong. If you rewrite the article in your user space and want me to take a look, let me know. Geogre 11:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Bloger, I think it's at this point that the best thing I can do is see the article as you have it now. I hope you've been refashioning it in your user talk space. If so, please give me a link. I think that's the best way that I can be helpful, as it's hard to answer in the abstract to issues like historical significance. I think the group certainly sounds like an anomalous historical development, but I can't know until I see it. If you'd like, just link me, and I'll do what I can. Geogre 22:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
No problem. I apologize as well. I jumped the gun a bit. Sometimes passions get a little heated on AN/I. I probably should've taken a breath before posting. Apologies. -- Woohookitty (meow) 03:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
OK. Thankyou! Andycjp June 2006
For no other reason than offering you my eternal gratitude for being the way you are, and for being there when I needed the most - thank you, my dearest G. Big big hugs your way, Phædriel ♥ tell me - 11:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
You're just wanting me to look at my Butt and get those citations! Geogre 16:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I would be grateful if you could fine the time to have a quick look at the discussion here and let me know whether I am being dense, or just feeding a troll. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your support for my recent RfA, which I'm quite happy to announce has passed with a consensus of 67 supporting, 0 opposed and 0 neutral. I'm glad I meet your criteria. Most of all, I'm glad you took the time to evaluate my candidacy, as I believe that's what keeps RfA running smoothly, and I'll be working hard to justify the vote of confidence you've placed in me, including continuing to get my hands dirty in the backlogs. Please let me know at my talk page if you have any comments on my performance as an admin. Thanks! TheProject 02:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, -- Tony Sidaway 11:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate your input on my talk page. I only just saw it, I guess it must have coincided with five other edits or something. "Nulla hora sine edit" — ahhh, eddication. I need to start checking the History every time I get a new message. Bishonen | talk 00:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC).
Geogre, thanks for your supporting comment on the Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Consensus_on_redirect_and_delete thread. It really bothered me how quick some of the admins were to attack me merely for questioning why these admins weren't following procedures and guidelines with regards to redirects. I mean, shesh, here I was thinking that we admins had to set a good example and follow the rules. Now I know better :-). Hope things are going well. Best,-- Alabamaboy 14:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
He needed to be in the time out corner, and 3 days is probably good. I endorse the block, although I do think this was a peevish person stamping his foot and might have been neutralized by ignoring. A short block is at least as valid an approach though. (I hate it when people try to be clever and just miss. The belly flop they make is much more noticeable than someone just jumping feet first into the pool.) Geogre 13:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, darn! Now I've been told off and won't get to talk to him any more. I'll soldier on as best I can. Geogre 14:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC);
I read you think "Catholic Church" is nasty. George, you are clearly new to this debate and your British and Anglican background suggest that you may be unfamiliar with the nomenclature of the Catholic Church as well as the thoroughly established use of "Catholic Church" in reference to those in communion with Rome. Please see this page for a more thorough treatment of the subject matter: CC vs. RCC Vaquero100 17:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Ah, well, one more occasion where I'm being definitively told off. It's just heart breaking. Now, as soon as the people wanting our names to change can go and convince all printed reference works to do so, they'll have not only told me off but actually changed my mind. Until then, I just remain riddled with error, obliviously thinking that changing our usage away from the most useful point to a point pleasing to two editors, or two accounts, requires some compelling argument other than, "We like it" and that people come along wanting to make the change so strongly that they're willing to be blocked over it must have a point of view embued with more than lexical descriptiveness. (And here I thought that Luther spoke German, not English!) Geogre 12:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[4]: I have powers. I can make someone's nose itch just by staring hard enough. Watch it or I'll threaten you. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 04:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
It was 43.9 C at the beach today, and I survived that and high tide. I am asbestos (those around me cough, and I'm slightly graying, and I'm quite flakey). I am an asbestos capacitor. Well, Mr. AL, they are not too late for me, although I am quite ignorant of the niceties. You see, there is "18th 1" (Dryden to the Age of the Novel + Restoration stage), "18th 2" (novels, novels, novels), and "18th 3" (Age of Johnson, plus churchyard poets, and a tug of war with the Romantics for Blake and the political novel). I'm 18th 1. However, I couldn't be that without passing muster (and boy, did it burn) in #2 and #3. I basically bluffed on #3 as much as I could and read Boswell and the big SJ (and Godwin and Blake). I think the Ossian stuff is one bright spot of interesting legerdemaine in a somewhat stultifyingly predictable age. Geogre 02:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, and the Fingal stuff should get more attention than it does. There are some scholars who approach MacPherson, but they have this sort of fork in the road they're presented with. Do you treat Ossian as a great poetic accomplishment and JM as a great poet, or do you treat it as a forgery and a cultural tempest, then you go on to talk about good old Romanticism and sturmin' dang. Me, I like it as an illustration of a particularly clear fissure in cultural ideology, but I'm weird like that. "Close thy Milton, open thy Goethe," as some chap or other said. (You really shouldn't bogart the wine.) Geogre 02:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
He wrote 'em, and there's an end on't. I'm going toward a library in a few hours. I'll see what the Big Blue Spined Books say about him. There are perhaps half a dozen post-1990 books on him, but I doubt this library will have any, except maybe the TEAS (Twaynes English Authors Series). If I can find the TEAS, I'll check it out. Geogre 12:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm unsure what you mean by your statement at Deletion Review. Could you please clarify: What the thing does is use subpages, which are one of the really old "we must nots." Transclusion with summary style is possible, but having a list of list of lists is, in effect, a parallel hierarchy. I.e. this isn't how we work, as we have a flat hierarchical structure to our articles. The lists were not subpages. I don't understand why a list of lists would be a parallel hierarchy. It's a collection point further up the tree. Or are you just complaining about lits in general? - Freekee 03:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC) (feel free to reply here.)
Hi there! So I tripped up on this discussion this afternoon. I'll note that I had absolutely no problem with your opposition, but I was a little disappointed to read this discussion after the fact when I may have been able to ease your mind during the course of things. Regardless, it seems you've had issues with admins acting as if they own the place, and you're not alone on that - one of the reasons I accepted JzG's nomination was due to that personal belief. I'm a bit of a process wonk, sure, but I would think that might ease your mind a bit about my possibly undeleting things out of process, which is something you brought up - if I ever recieved the mop in the future, I wouldn't do that. That's as vile to me as deleting things out of process, and I'm sure you feel the same way.
We're not going to agree on a lot as a matter of what belongs here, and I fully accept that - discussion = good! But if the opportunity ever arises again where someone thinks I'm fit for adminship, I hope you'll at least consider how I feel about the same issues regarding admin abuse as you do. Hang in there, and I'll see you around. -- badlydrawnjeff talk 19:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you apparently didn’t realize that I replied above so would you be so kind, look it over, and tell me what you think
Bloger 02:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Dear Geogre this is the article you requested User_talk:Bloger#True_Torah_Jews_2
Bloger 02:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
That Harry guy in Steppenwolf waited for his fiftieth birthday, or was going to wait until it, and then make a huge mess. Thanks for the collateral damage help. Crowbait 22:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
It just came to me what the context was where I praised your brilliant Artistic inspiration, Geogre — not on one of our talkpages, but on the phone. When it was quite new? It brought us to talking about Afflatus as well, and I think I got to be the first to mention A Tale of a Tub. All, erm, airy subjects. You remember? And it is brilliant. Bishonen | talk 23:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC).
User:Geogre, you may care to take a look at ShaunES' news on my good friend WBardwin's page. It's relevant to AOL blocks. Respectfully, Frutti di Mare 01:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC).
I'm going to look, but I'm going to be really pissed off if we figure out how to filter the good from the bad guys 4 days before I switch ISP's to a DSL connection. I won't be surprised, of course, because that's my luck, but I will be pissed. Geogre 01:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Apparently it's enabled. The battle is immediately going to turn to permablocking all of AOL, IP only -- in other words, disabling all anonymous editing from the AOL range. I'm not sure how I feel about that, and I was wondering how you do? — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 15:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I was going to start a new section as a continuation of this (probably soon to be deleted), but I see you're already discussing it here. To me, AOL/Netscape presents several mysteries, but right now I'd like to ask about one. You say: Two days ago, I had 4 blocks that caught me, and every single one of them was aimed at a named account. If I understand this right, you, attempting to edit as Geogre, were blocked from editing. But that doesn't square with my (mis)understanding of blocks. I'd thought that if your IP number was blocked, any attempt to use it to register the new name of Jiiiogre or whatever would get that name blocked, but that since the username Geogre already existed and wasn't itself blocked, it could be used even via a "blocked" IP. How wrong am I? -- Hoary 10:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
ya know, you don't have to use netscape. PeoplePC is a dialup that is earthlink's cheap arm, and it's $11/month. I've never got autoblocked on PeoplePC. Use FF with it, and it assigns you a different IP each session, rather than page load. ~ Chris ( squirrels!!) 18:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Anyone want to write an article on Red Man Chewing Tobacco? I tried to link to it with Red Man, above, but that's a redirect to a rap 'artist.' It's the #1 type of chewing tobacco in the US, and it is synonymous with chewing tobacco itself in the US, so it surely should have an article. I'm just not really in the mood to research it. Geogre 02:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't you "ugh" at me, young man! We have articles on foot fungi, poisonous frogs, and Pokemen, and all of those are more disgusting than mere chaw! As for Phere/Phaire, I have heard the name. For a Tudor, that's quite something, as blinkered as I am. Indeed, I shall add him to my PDA of prestige for the next lieberry trip. Geogre 14:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
So, um, Grapes, why haven't you written the Red Man article yet? :-) It's begging to be written, and I'm a former customer of the company, so I could be accused of writing a vanity article. Geogre 20:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
...that Red Man, one of the leading brands of chewing tobacco (now owned by Swedish Match), has been especially successful in marketing itself with rural sporting events?
Ok, so now I'm going to sign it as you, man. It's your article, dude. That's unethical, isn't it? Well, it has two photos, and I want the credit to go to you anyhow. It's done, so far as I can tell, and the deadlines for DYK are very short. Fine, I'll flag you. Geogre 18:01, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Your comment: Oppose without any bias at all toward the user. My feeling is that time and activity are most important in laying out the sort of tracks that we need to see how the user will respond under stress and duress. Time without edits is meaningless, as are edits without time (sort of like faith and deeds, I guess). Becaue demotion from the ranks is a big deal, promotion to the ranks requires more caution than I would like. I look forward to future support. Geogre 14:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Those are good points, alright, and I've seen people who have been on the project for a year do both during their RFA's. In fact, I saw one who went into a fetal ball and began cursing Tampa, Florida, Jimbo Wales, and every editor of Wikipedia...at the same time. Hang in there, and keep the chin up (gives everyone a better target). Geogre 11:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Geogre, when I saw the photo, I realized I had seen it before, I'd forgotten. Great portrait of the both of them. Got any more recent pics? Bishonen | talk 11:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC).
You have seen the Redneck video, right? KillerChihuahua ?!? 01:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Ah. That's right! I had forgotten. When I read it, I was still a fundamentalist, so I recall being somewhat pissed off by it and thinking less of my natural allies, the hippies. I think I read it at the same time I read Transcendental Meditation, which was when all that junk was new...around 1975. (No, I will not watch the TM page, Bishonen.) Geogre 14:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
They're not, on the surface, but we were both Utopian. We both believed in a perfectibility or amelioration in isolation and small communities, and I was already swinging over to becoming a very liberal fundamentalist. It wasn't until 1980 that "fundamentalist" and "liberal" were announced by Falwell to be complete antonyms. I know it seems impossible to believe now, but the highly religious used to be highly ranked among the most liberal. I was also losing the fundamentalism rapidly as I read more on theology and sought a church that I could live in, and not one that gave me a choice of spiritual suicide or cult of personality. (Ok, now that is polemical.) Geogre 14:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
hi there Geogre. Due to the fact that nobody notified of the commentary at WP:ANI on my deletion of this article, I managed to miss the post as the headline didn't mention me specifically - I was unable to respond to the claims of the user before it went dead. There is a long response I posted to the user in question on my own page - but in short, the claim to notability that was present in his autobio was that he was a PhD student. AFAIK, I have seen random PhD students speedily deleted before and so, I wrote that comment in the deletion summary to make clearer the a7 reasoning. As for his claims that I had many angry messages about my deletions, well that is true, but they were about expired prods and a repost of Kai Wong, so I had to reiterate that I have not being roguely deleting stuff, just in case me might have misled anyone. Thankyou, Blnguyen | rant-line 03:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you with trivial matters, but there is some dude's myspace page link on Dunst's article. There is also a discussion page but no article for dude @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Daniel_Flay
Not real proficient at this stuff, but I thought you might want to spend a minute to clean it (if you think it is waranted). Thanks for your time. Chris -- 68.35.130.160 07:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Roses are red; Doves are white... -- ALoan (Talk) 13:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Do you think Dürer's Rhinoceros would like chewing tobacco? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Kickass, ALoan! You do a great job of pulling together multiple sources for a coherent account. There is a semi-interesting (depending on your level of patience) novel that uses Durer's print for its cover illustration and is about the voyage of that very rhinosceros and its fate, by Lawrence Norfolk, called The Pope's Rhinosceros. I can find Bestiary and Physiologus accounts, I think, of the rhinosceros and its allegorical meaning. (It's not nice, I think.) Geogre 16:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
For Norfolk, that would be "in elitist culture," as his books have attracted pleasure-reading high brows. I'm not sure if my brow is too high or too low, but I found his glibness annoying and the utter diffusion of the ending in Lempriere's Dictionary to be a cop-out. They're pleasant books, full of interesting historical background, but then the gamesmanship in them can get a bit stuffy. (A list of famous rhinosceroi? Hmm. Well, there's...uh...and, uh.... I mean Dumbo and Jumbo are easy, and Stampy the elephant, but rhinos? I can't think of one with a name.) Geogre 18:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
That's strange, as I was just thinking the same thing, sort of. I couldn't figure out whether or not anyone could investigate more deeply without going to more difficult sources, like Eco, and so whether or not it was a good FA subject. It's well above the usual DYK -- even the ones that ALoan and you have done recently -- and "Good Article" just doesn't mean much, IMO. Geogre 20:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
If we did want to FA it, there would be: 1) context of Durer's life, 2) political meaning of the donations, 3) bestiary significations, 4) classical references that would have colored Durer's representation, 5) what it meant for a German (part of the Holy Roman Empire at the time, I think). Geogre 02:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Chunee is blue now. Fascinating connection with Edmund Kean and the Theatres Royal (Harlequin and Padmanaba!). His brutal execution in March 1826 was a cause celebre. The London Zoological Society was formed in April 1826. Coincidence? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I’m patiently waiting! Not losing the hope.
Bloger 19:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I finally got to it. Sorry it took me so long. I hope it's a mitzvah and not an utzing. Geogre 12:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Means, "random acronym header" because that seems to be a trend on this page. KillerChihuahua ?!? 20:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for contributing to my successful RfA! | |
To the people who have supported my request: I appreciate the show of confidence in me and I hope I live up to your expectations! To the people who opposed the request: I'm certainly not ignoring the constructive criticism and advice you've offered. I thank you as well! ♥! ~Kylu ( u| t) 07:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC) |
Absolutely. Good luck, and may your camel never be visited by the fleas of a troll...or something like that. Geogre 11:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
So I was reading your essay on your userpage concerning schools--very interesting and inventive, especially the section in which you propose that a school (subject) must have a unique effect on the student (object). I must disagree, however.
For one, all high schools probably do have some sort of unique effect on the student, given the thousands of variables in terms of aesthetics, teachers, size, construction, etc. I realize that after reading 1000 articles on high schools they all sound the same, but undoubtedly they have some quite unique dynamics that make them worthy of their own articles.
I'll propose an anomoly to your theory--let me know what you think.
Two very large football stadiums, built using the same blueprint are constructed. Since they are essentially the same, and the only variable differing the effect on the spectator (object) is the ever-changing population inside, does this mean that each of these stadiums does not deserve an article? Or are they notable because of the effect, whatever it is, they have on the object. AdamBiswanger1 17:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I've FAR'd a literary article—one that's been chosen to represent the best of the best in Wikipedia:Version 0.5, yet. I've been putting it off — I wanted to complain at Version 0.5, but then I figgered it needed to go to FAR first. Which is a page I don't really want to frequent, I'm not happy about the requirement (yes, it's absolutely required) to say what criteria are being violated. Or about past experiences. Well, I've given it one more try, if I get flamed for poking my nose where it's not wanted, so be it. Anyway, I feel like a monster, tearing down somebody's work. :-( Bishonen | talk 16:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC).
I'm interested in your opinion of Butterface ( AfD discussion). Uncle G 19:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, i was just wondering if u have to be an administrator to comment on articles entries for deletion? Most people who comment are administrators when i click on their user pages. Im getting quite confused, your user page said u might be able to help. Thanks ( Neostinker 22:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC))
Thanks, for that. ill take a look at the deletion guidelines. Thanks very much for your help !! ( Neostinker 09:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC))
Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Klippan (sofa), you said you wanted to see more references and mentions of importance. I've added links to a couple of newspaper stories detailing the history of the Klippan. You might want to have a look. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
re:that guy's obnoxious comment: actually, the IP resolves to Cherry Hill, which is near both Princeton University and Rutgers University. Mak (talk) 21:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
Have you seen this: [12] ? Paul August ☎ 04:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Great. No one is able to understand tone. Well, maybe Fred can't. It's surprising to see the whole proposed remedies section. "Unblockable" is not really appropriate, either, because the enforcement isn't ArbCom's business. Leave that to the administrators. Now I have to make sure I have the most recent version before I comment. Geogre 11:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Geogre. You've written several excellent articles on specific works of literature, so I think you're a good person to ask this of. Would you mind taking a look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) and letting us know what you think? Some editors believe the guideline is too dismissive of what it describes as "in-universe writing", that is, writing as if a particular narrative were true without giving reference to the real world. I wrote the guideline based largely on what I'd seen and read in film criticisms, but it's possible the guideline might break when applied to literature and characters from it.
Keep in mind that this guideline is mainly intended as an argument against articles on, say, Darth Vader being nothing more than fictional biographies masquerading as encyclopedia articles. But with a scope as large as fiction in general, it's important that the guideline be applicable to a wide variety of situations. Any input is welcome. Thanks, -- BrianSmithson 16:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Brian, I was a coward. I tried to read all the talk page stuff. I really did. I read maybe half of it, but it was as I had feared: ten thousand Kelvin of heat and two lumens of light. I did the chicken thing and posted at the bottom, hoping to open a new round and offer advice that wasn't enmeshed in a quarrel. What effect it will have, I cannot guess, but I suspect it won't have much. The general convention is to write "in-universe" some of the time. When you're relating the events of the thing, you go in, but the trick is that you can't stay there. If you don't have "outside universe" before it and after it, you're writing cruft and nudging your fellow ComiCon booth sitter. No one wants that in an encyclopedia. Geogre 19:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Would you mind terribly much if you finish the job, it almost looks like someone selectively blocked only AOL. To avoid the appearance of impropriety it would probably be a good idea to block 1.0.0.0 through to 205.188.116.200 and 205.188.116.202 up to 255.255.255.255, as it is right now, this range block is somewhat incomplete, and there are still many dangerous IP editors running around behaving constructivly, they should be blocked before it's too late-- AOL account 14:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there a standard format for putting a relevant quote at the top of a wikipedia article? Thanks in advance. -- NEMT 16:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
::Let us go then, you and I, when the evening is spread out against the sky,<br> ::Like a patient, etherised upon a table, through certain streets ::The muttering retreats, of empty nights spent in cheap one-night hotels, ::And sawdust restaurants with oyster shells. ::Streets that follow like a tedious argument of insidious intent.
The effect of doing that will be a block offset, thus:
"The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock (1917) is a landmark poem by T.S. Eliot, first published in Prufrock and Other Observations. Its opening lines are some of the most famous in Modernist poetry:
Eliot combined
symbolism with the
imagism created by his friend
Ezra Pound to create some of the most densely packed poetry of the era."
Is that what you're asking about?
Geogre 17:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you both for the advice, I could've sworn I'd seen some wiki article with a quote as the opener. Oh well. -- NEMT 21:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. You mentioned in the deletion review for California State Normal School that Michaelch7 had been brought up over in WP:AN/I for his behavior. Do you mind linking to this discussion? I can't seem to find it. -- NeoChaosX 19:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, could I get your opinion on a biographical article I wrote on G. Ledyard Stebbins that I am trying to get through FAC. I'm having trouble with an objector who thinks that his importance to science isn't clear- I think it is spelled out clearly in the lead, and expanded on. I don't know what to do other than dumbing down the prose significantly.-- Peta 01:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
It's a part of the common law of WP:AfD - not sure if it's codified anywhere. To delete an article titled Russia rather than clean it up is pure madness. If an article about a country is just a stub, it's still worthwhile It's a stub is not a good criterion for deletion. Micronations claiming to be countries in general fails WP:HORSE and thus the position All countries are inherently worthy of articles is a true one. FWIW, I'm not saying that I believe that all high schools are worthy of articles, just that it is a part of the common law that they are. WilyD 14:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by WilyD ( talk • contribs)
Irrespective of the fact that you are an administrator, you are not immune to the policies at WP:NPA. Referring to other editors as "feeble" is a clear personal attack and is without question uncivil. As an administrator, you are well aware that continued personal attacks of this nature can lead to being blocked. I respectfully request that you refrain from such references to other editors in the course of discussions. It is offensive in the main. I realize that WP:RPA is not generally considered acceptable at present, and I shouldn't have removed your blatant personal attacks.-- Nicodemus75 21:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, it's been time for an archive for a while, and it was on my to-do list, but then there was that "warning," which, of course, would have been another gotcha had I archived. <shrug> I'll let him have last word and "win" and all that. Whee. Geogre 13:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
June 8 - July 30, 2006: Archive #16
Is it possible to restore the Lum Therion article you deleted for a short while? The staff of Solaris RPG Online are moving all the current articles onto a wiki hosted on our own servers to escape the (apologies here, but I feel I must be honest) inane ideas of what does and doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Yes, internet space is limited but the end is barely in sight. Anyway, Most of the others have been copied but the Lum Therion article was gone before I had a chance to back it up. Please let me know ASAP if the article is gone forever or if I can get a copy of it.
Thank you - just... thank you, G. It's not everyday that one of those Wikipedians you deeply admire and look up to says something so kind and beautiful to little me. I can't find the right words to express myself right now, so before I get too emotional (again...), I'll just give you another kiss (hoping I could give it to you in person). I promise I won't let much time pass again before visiting you - after all, that's what I bookmarked your userpage 5 months ago for! Peace & kisses to you, Phædriel ♥ tell me - 17:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello George this is CAYA you vandalised my home page and I just wanted to tell you THANK YOU! your welcome back anytime.
Could you, please? I'm busy, I have to go to the PO! :-) Bishonen | talk 11:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC).
I enjoyed your answer to the question about ethics and reality on the reference desk. Thanks for volunteering your time here! -- Fastfission 15:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey Geogre,
There's currently some renewed discussion about whether and how to set up [a] US wikimedia chapter[s]. Among other things this could help better organize meetups, gatherings at large events and cons, and local outreach. I'm notifying people who have been actively involved in local meetups; but of course there are also those who are far from a perfect meetup locale who care about the discussion... if you are interested, there is a quiet mailing-list and a meta-page on the topic, both of which could use input and ideas. +sj + 17:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey. I have rendered my part of Colley Cibber completely verifiable, IMO. (And without any ten footnotes, I can assure you.) Would you like to add any inline cites or other means of verification for the Dunciad part? Bishonen | talk 15:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC).
I'm concerned about a pair of rather odd "principles" that look likely to be handed down in an ongoing arbitration: Making arbitrary decisions and Accepting an arbitrary decision. Can you have a look and tell me if I'm just being paranoid? - brenneman {L} 06:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Geogre. Just wanted to let you know that I'll be starting (restarting) work on some of the individual English martyrs next week. I still remember your challenge to Catholics to produce something on the saints. Also, on a completely unrelated matter, if you're familiar with arguments about British versus American English, could you take a look at Talk:Jelly roll and give some advice. I'd like to move the article to swiss roll, or start a swiss roll article, but I don't know if that's just my closed European mind! In any case, I'm not happy with the article as it currently stands. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 11:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for weighing in on Jelly roll, Geogre. Have a slice. Hope you like it. The new article swiss roll is well underway now. By the way, I found this article, so I'm wondering should I add:
to the beginning of the swiss roll article, but I'm not sure what I should put for X X X X. My knowledge of optics isn't impressive.
I'm amazed at how difficult it is to find background information about the history of the swiss roll. I looked up several large, hardback, encyclopaedia-type cookery books this morning, and none of them said whether or not it really is Swiss, when it originated / became popular, etc. Lots of recipes, and information about what would happen if you overmixed the flour, etc., but nothing on where it comes from.
I do, however, have a lot of background information about the English martyrs, so I should be ashamed of myself for not having contributed more to that area. I know what you mean about people wanting desperately to insert prayers, etc. I knew that this edit was badly needed, but I never got round to doing it.
Thanks again for your help. AnnH ♫ 14:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, when you speedied The Horrifics you forgot to close the AfD. Done it for you, but just letting you know. Viridae 09:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey hey! Did you even know it's on the Main Page today? :-) I didn't! Bishonen | talk 00:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC).
Thanks. It's ironic that, after yelling at people about blocking AOL proxies, it's an AOL IP who keeps hitting both the article and my talk page. Oh, well. I'm being the model of patience by just blocking for :15 at a time every time he hits. It should at least inconvenience him. However, I've now attracted the "MOS says no apostrophes in dates, so I have fixed your article for you" edits. The MOS doesn't say that, and, if it does, then it's favoring British over US usage and forcing it on the whole project. I know it's a stupid thing to edit war about, but I will edit war in the service of logic. Anyway, thanks for the compliment. My most recent artistic inspiration isn't bad, either. I keep beavering away in silence, for the most part. Fewer people are interested in talking about stuff than are interested in talking about people. Geogre 04:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Long time, no see. Thanks for the compliment. It's a very short novel, and that's at least as important a reason why it's the "most studied of Behn's works" as its subject matter. When you've got to cover "Shakespeare to moment of speaking in 15 weeks" in a survey class, or even "Dryden to Johnson" in 15 weeks, you tend to look for short novels. The students won't read long works, and you can't do plays unless you're teaching a drama class. That said, it is an interesting read, especially if you keep an eye on the political, both her political argument and the hidden assumptions of colonialism that she was unaware of writing. Defoe is miles more sophisticated and "modern" looking to us, but Behn is the fresh strike, and you can really see the novel being made. Geogre 04:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, I had never bothered to read up on Mary Beale. She is interesting. The name not said in that article is Kneller. I mention this because miniatures and cameos became a vogue around the turn of the century, and it reached a level of artisanship that's simply incomprehensible. The article kind of dismisses her miniatures, and that's a mistake. When she went that way, she was following the market, if not philosophy. Lely is very important, of course, although not recognized as a Great Artist by most history books, and I like his pictures, not being an art snob but just an edumacated dilletente. So where is the tea? I'm not sure I want to go to anyone's budoir but my own, unless she's very pretty and crazy enough to be inviting me there. Geogre 15:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you to all the people who helped monitor and preserve poor little Oroonoko while it was on the main page. That seemed like a very long 24 hours, but there have been some very good edits. Additionally, the Aphra Behn article, which I've never touched and kept on my "I'm meaning to fix it" list for 2 years, has been getting a lot of tinkering -- more in one day than it had in the last 2 years. I'm glad that article is messy and bad enough to invite helping hands and that it doesn't have a mother hen like me overing over it and WP:OWNing it. Geogre 03:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Love that painting on your talk page. Is that really you? It looks like a 19th century painting. -- RND 20:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Geogre! You are the rogue who provided Image:Book-auctioneer.png - I was jsut thinking where does one get a scan, found yours - yet could't have you done it with supressing the moiré-effect Moiré pattern. One must suppress this thing when scanning materials which are based on regular patters such as photgraphic images in news papers and books etc. (original engravings are, of course exempted...). Hope everything else is fine (just writing a preface to Delarivier Manley's Rivella (1714) [3], enjoy the summer wherever that is, -- Olaf Simons 16:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Policy disagreements not withstanding, I like your section heading Rhadamanthus emerges from Hades for a brief moment. It brightened my day, in a gloomy subterranean kind of way. Tom Harrison Talk 17:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Fantastic additions to Lazarus and Dives, by the way. I'm really unsettled by the article's stepping into interpretation, as I worry that once the door is open a crack, it'll be openned to the cranks. Geogre 19:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Now there's an idea. If they survive getting beaned by the Summa Theologica, we'll worry about them. Every time they add an "interpretation," we'll ask them what Aquinas says about it, refer them to a chapter of it at random, and then see if that doesn't reform them or make their heads explode. Geogre 11:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, it’s me bloger:
Even though it’s not really a difference because the page about the TTJ was deleted already, but for arguments sake, and my personal filings I’ll like to ask you to please read my edit on the notability of the TTJ and tell me what you think, and mostly if it changes its stands as far as notability is concerned.
(And since it’s deleted already, I’ll post the edit here:)
Ok, I think I understand the concerns of the editors and I will try to address them.
On the concern of verifiability:
As per the definition by Deathphoenix quote:
“Verifiability means that it be proven (usually online) that the subject exists”
I think it’s understood that at least for a minimum the article in “Der Yid” I posted and translated has addressed it to the extend that we now know that this organization exists at all, and its outside of a few people with a website, but rather it’s an organization that does much more then host a site as is put out in the newspaper article.
About the concern of notability:
Again as per Deathphoenix who has put out three possibilities on being notable.
1) That a lot of people or articles mention TTJ.
2) That TTJ has historical significance.
3) That TTJ has a web site that is very popular (usually shown by having lots of Google hits or a high Alexa rank,
And was wider elaborated by Geogre quote:
“Some web sites are so significant that they have an impact on the world. How do we determine if a particular web site is one of those? Well, there are a lot of ways, but one of them is how many hits a day the site gets”
I’ll start with # 2):
Firstly, It’s my opinion, – because it’s opposite of conventional wisdom –, Orthodox Jewish anti-Zionism – in a non political manner which may be the case in reform Jewish communities – but rather in a biblical founded manner is something of historical significance given that its common belief in the world that Orthodox Jews are “all” staunch supporters of the state of Israel (and many in fact are) so anything proving otherwise is of historical significance.
Secondly, the position of satmar on any mater (related to religious subjects) given that satmar is one of the – if not the – biggest Orthodox Jewish Hasidic group with an Estimated 100,000 to 120,000 members is of historical significance.
In other words, if satmar should have an opinion on - let’s say - a major issue in Jewish-Christian relations it’s of historical significance given that it’s the opinion of some 100,000 thousand people in the Jewish religion.
The point being, that as I somewhat established in the article discussion page – although without unanimous consent – that the group TTJ is the de-facto podium of satmar in the non-satmar world given that other then this, satmar doesn’t have another avenue of featuring there opinion on the matter in the non satmar environment.
The above said, its can be clamed that TTJ is not just another group but rather it’s satmar and satmar is notable as per historical significance as said above.
Now to # 3:
This is a bit complicated firstly, because when one checks the “Alexa rank” for a site like TTJ one cannot compare it to any other site, because for example, sure the Drudge Report or CNN are going to have a better rank then a site talking about Botswana in South Africa because there are many more people interested in politics and news then in Botswana, the strength of the above sites is that between there pairs they rank well for example CNN ranks better then FOX, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, the same with drudge.
Secondly, Now once we have established that we have another hurdle we have to determine if the subject talked about in these sites are notable for example if a certain family has a few sites and one of them is ten-fold more popular between the family members then the rest doesn’t mean it made an impact and is wikipedia notable because its only that immediate family that is being impacted by them.
Thirdly, how is an impact measured? For example, Amazon or eBay cannot be satisfied if the same amount of people that visit the most popular info site come by and look at there site for info only the goal is for people to buy stuff on these sits not come there for info.
Therefore, once it’s established that:
1) The issue of Orthodox Jewish anti-Zionism is a wikipedia notable subject. 2) The goal of the TTJ is to inform people on the subject, which is achieved, by people visiting there site and reading the info.
Than we can measure this site according to the other sites of the same subject and with the same goal.
On that scale, the site of the TTJ outperformed its nearest competitors in a big way the sites of the Neturei Karta www.nkusa.org , www.jewsnotzionists.org .The TTJ has reached at its highest point (in ’04) to almost 100 on the daily reach while the others have reached only up to about a 38 on the first one and a 30 for the second one.
This is to say that on the goal of reaching the world it did have a big impact and is popular, which makes it notable.
Ok, let me try to respond. First, I think that the verifiability is satisfied, so you have that. I personally think that the site/group is notable within the Orthodox community. Therefore, the question is whether the group is so known/commented upon that it will be sought by readers who are non-Orthodox or not. I can't quite answer that from the arguments above. However, if the answer is "no," then that still doesn't mean that there is no place for the information. If only people in the Orthodox and Zionism communities will want to know about this group (and the Zionist movement continues, as you know, among the Reform and Liberal communities), then the group should be mentioned, and their movement, in the articles on Orthodox Judaism and Zionism articles. If the site/group has created enough of a stir that people outside of those communities are encountering it, then it needs a stand alone article. I think that this is more of an issue that's still known and relevant within the communities of Orthodoxy, but I could be wrong. If you rewrite the article in your user space and want me to take a look, let me know. Geogre 11:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Bloger, I think it's at this point that the best thing I can do is see the article as you have it now. I hope you've been refashioning it in your user talk space. If so, please give me a link. I think that's the best way that I can be helpful, as it's hard to answer in the abstract to issues like historical significance. I think the group certainly sounds like an anomalous historical development, but I can't know until I see it. If you'd like, just link me, and I'll do what I can. Geogre 22:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
No problem. I apologize as well. I jumped the gun a bit. Sometimes passions get a little heated on AN/I. I probably should've taken a breath before posting. Apologies. -- Woohookitty (meow) 03:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
OK. Thankyou! Andycjp June 2006
For no other reason than offering you my eternal gratitude for being the way you are, and for being there when I needed the most - thank you, my dearest G. Big big hugs your way, Phædriel ♥ tell me - 11:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
You're just wanting me to look at my Butt and get those citations! Geogre 16:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I would be grateful if you could fine the time to have a quick look at the discussion here and let me know whether I am being dense, or just feeding a troll. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your support for my recent RfA, which I'm quite happy to announce has passed with a consensus of 67 supporting, 0 opposed and 0 neutral. I'm glad I meet your criteria. Most of all, I'm glad you took the time to evaluate my candidacy, as I believe that's what keeps RfA running smoothly, and I'll be working hard to justify the vote of confidence you've placed in me, including continuing to get my hands dirty in the backlogs. Please let me know at my talk page if you have any comments on my performance as an admin. Thanks! TheProject 02:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, -- Tony Sidaway 11:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate your input on my talk page. I only just saw it, I guess it must have coincided with five other edits or something. "Nulla hora sine edit" — ahhh, eddication. I need to start checking the History every time I get a new message. Bishonen | talk 00:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC).
Geogre, thanks for your supporting comment on the Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Consensus_on_redirect_and_delete thread. It really bothered me how quick some of the admins were to attack me merely for questioning why these admins weren't following procedures and guidelines with regards to redirects. I mean, shesh, here I was thinking that we admins had to set a good example and follow the rules. Now I know better :-). Hope things are going well. Best,-- Alabamaboy 14:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
He needed to be in the time out corner, and 3 days is probably good. I endorse the block, although I do think this was a peevish person stamping his foot and might have been neutralized by ignoring. A short block is at least as valid an approach though. (I hate it when people try to be clever and just miss. The belly flop they make is much more noticeable than someone just jumping feet first into the pool.) Geogre 13:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, darn! Now I've been told off and won't get to talk to him any more. I'll soldier on as best I can. Geogre 14:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC);
I read you think "Catholic Church" is nasty. George, you are clearly new to this debate and your British and Anglican background suggest that you may be unfamiliar with the nomenclature of the Catholic Church as well as the thoroughly established use of "Catholic Church" in reference to those in communion with Rome. Please see this page for a more thorough treatment of the subject matter: CC vs. RCC Vaquero100 17:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Ah, well, one more occasion where I'm being definitively told off. It's just heart breaking. Now, as soon as the people wanting our names to change can go and convince all printed reference works to do so, they'll have not only told me off but actually changed my mind. Until then, I just remain riddled with error, obliviously thinking that changing our usage away from the most useful point to a point pleasing to two editors, or two accounts, requires some compelling argument other than, "We like it" and that people come along wanting to make the change so strongly that they're willing to be blocked over it must have a point of view embued with more than lexical descriptiveness. (And here I thought that Luther spoke German, not English!) Geogre 12:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[4]: I have powers. I can make someone's nose itch just by staring hard enough. Watch it or I'll threaten you. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 04:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
It was 43.9 C at the beach today, and I survived that and high tide. I am asbestos (those around me cough, and I'm slightly graying, and I'm quite flakey). I am an asbestos capacitor. Well, Mr. AL, they are not too late for me, although I am quite ignorant of the niceties. You see, there is "18th 1" (Dryden to the Age of the Novel + Restoration stage), "18th 2" (novels, novels, novels), and "18th 3" (Age of Johnson, plus churchyard poets, and a tug of war with the Romantics for Blake and the political novel). I'm 18th 1. However, I couldn't be that without passing muster (and boy, did it burn) in #2 and #3. I basically bluffed on #3 as much as I could and read Boswell and the big SJ (and Godwin and Blake). I think the Ossian stuff is one bright spot of interesting legerdemaine in a somewhat stultifyingly predictable age. Geogre 02:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, and the Fingal stuff should get more attention than it does. There are some scholars who approach MacPherson, but they have this sort of fork in the road they're presented with. Do you treat Ossian as a great poetic accomplishment and JM as a great poet, or do you treat it as a forgery and a cultural tempest, then you go on to talk about good old Romanticism and sturmin' dang. Me, I like it as an illustration of a particularly clear fissure in cultural ideology, but I'm weird like that. "Close thy Milton, open thy Goethe," as some chap or other said. (You really shouldn't bogart the wine.) Geogre 02:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
He wrote 'em, and there's an end on't. I'm going toward a library in a few hours. I'll see what the Big Blue Spined Books say about him. There are perhaps half a dozen post-1990 books on him, but I doubt this library will have any, except maybe the TEAS (Twaynes English Authors Series). If I can find the TEAS, I'll check it out. Geogre 12:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm unsure what you mean by your statement at Deletion Review. Could you please clarify: What the thing does is use subpages, which are one of the really old "we must nots." Transclusion with summary style is possible, but having a list of list of lists is, in effect, a parallel hierarchy. I.e. this isn't how we work, as we have a flat hierarchical structure to our articles. The lists were not subpages. I don't understand why a list of lists would be a parallel hierarchy. It's a collection point further up the tree. Or are you just complaining about lits in general? - Freekee 03:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC) (feel free to reply here.)
Hi there! So I tripped up on this discussion this afternoon. I'll note that I had absolutely no problem with your opposition, but I was a little disappointed to read this discussion after the fact when I may have been able to ease your mind during the course of things. Regardless, it seems you've had issues with admins acting as if they own the place, and you're not alone on that - one of the reasons I accepted JzG's nomination was due to that personal belief. I'm a bit of a process wonk, sure, but I would think that might ease your mind a bit about my possibly undeleting things out of process, which is something you brought up - if I ever recieved the mop in the future, I wouldn't do that. That's as vile to me as deleting things out of process, and I'm sure you feel the same way.
We're not going to agree on a lot as a matter of what belongs here, and I fully accept that - discussion = good! But if the opportunity ever arises again where someone thinks I'm fit for adminship, I hope you'll at least consider how I feel about the same issues regarding admin abuse as you do. Hang in there, and I'll see you around. -- badlydrawnjeff talk 19:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you apparently didn’t realize that I replied above so would you be so kind, look it over, and tell me what you think
Bloger 02:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Dear Geogre this is the article you requested User_talk:Bloger#True_Torah_Jews_2
Bloger 02:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
That Harry guy in Steppenwolf waited for his fiftieth birthday, or was going to wait until it, and then make a huge mess. Thanks for the collateral damage help. Crowbait 22:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
It just came to me what the context was where I praised your brilliant Artistic inspiration, Geogre — not on one of our talkpages, but on the phone. When it was quite new? It brought us to talking about Afflatus as well, and I think I got to be the first to mention A Tale of a Tub. All, erm, airy subjects. You remember? And it is brilliant. Bishonen | talk 23:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC).
User:Geogre, you may care to take a look at ShaunES' news on my good friend WBardwin's page. It's relevant to AOL blocks. Respectfully, Frutti di Mare 01:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC).
I'm going to look, but I'm going to be really pissed off if we figure out how to filter the good from the bad guys 4 days before I switch ISP's to a DSL connection. I won't be surprised, of course, because that's my luck, but I will be pissed. Geogre 01:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Apparently it's enabled. The battle is immediately going to turn to permablocking all of AOL, IP only -- in other words, disabling all anonymous editing from the AOL range. I'm not sure how I feel about that, and I was wondering how you do? — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 15:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I was going to start a new section as a continuation of this (probably soon to be deleted), but I see you're already discussing it here. To me, AOL/Netscape presents several mysteries, but right now I'd like to ask about one. You say: Two days ago, I had 4 blocks that caught me, and every single one of them was aimed at a named account. If I understand this right, you, attempting to edit as Geogre, were blocked from editing. But that doesn't square with my (mis)understanding of blocks. I'd thought that if your IP number was blocked, any attempt to use it to register the new name of Jiiiogre or whatever would get that name blocked, but that since the username Geogre already existed and wasn't itself blocked, it could be used even via a "blocked" IP. How wrong am I? -- Hoary 10:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
ya know, you don't have to use netscape. PeoplePC is a dialup that is earthlink's cheap arm, and it's $11/month. I've never got autoblocked on PeoplePC. Use FF with it, and it assigns you a different IP each session, rather than page load. ~ Chris ( squirrels!!) 18:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Anyone want to write an article on Red Man Chewing Tobacco? I tried to link to it with Red Man, above, but that's a redirect to a rap 'artist.' It's the #1 type of chewing tobacco in the US, and it is synonymous with chewing tobacco itself in the US, so it surely should have an article. I'm just not really in the mood to research it. Geogre 02:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't you "ugh" at me, young man! We have articles on foot fungi, poisonous frogs, and Pokemen, and all of those are more disgusting than mere chaw! As for Phere/Phaire, I have heard the name. For a Tudor, that's quite something, as blinkered as I am. Indeed, I shall add him to my PDA of prestige for the next lieberry trip. Geogre 14:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
So, um, Grapes, why haven't you written the Red Man article yet? :-) It's begging to be written, and I'm a former customer of the company, so I could be accused of writing a vanity article. Geogre 20:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
...that Red Man, one of the leading brands of chewing tobacco (now owned by Swedish Match), has been especially successful in marketing itself with rural sporting events?
Ok, so now I'm going to sign it as you, man. It's your article, dude. That's unethical, isn't it? Well, it has two photos, and I want the credit to go to you anyhow. It's done, so far as I can tell, and the deadlines for DYK are very short. Fine, I'll flag you. Geogre 18:01, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Your comment: Oppose without any bias at all toward the user. My feeling is that time and activity are most important in laying out the sort of tracks that we need to see how the user will respond under stress and duress. Time without edits is meaningless, as are edits without time (sort of like faith and deeds, I guess). Becaue demotion from the ranks is a big deal, promotion to the ranks requires more caution than I would like. I look forward to future support. Geogre 14:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Those are good points, alright, and I've seen people who have been on the project for a year do both during their RFA's. In fact, I saw one who went into a fetal ball and began cursing Tampa, Florida, Jimbo Wales, and every editor of Wikipedia...at the same time. Hang in there, and keep the chin up (gives everyone a better target). Geogre 11:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Geogre, when I saw the photo, I realized I had seen it before, I'd forgotten. Great portrait of the both of them. Got any more recent pics? Bishonen | talk 11:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC).
You have seen the Redneck video, right? KillerChihuahua ?!? 01:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Ah. That's right! I had forgotten. When I read it, I was still a fundamentalist, so I recall being somewhat pissed off by it and thinking less of my natural allies, the hippies. I think I read it at the same time I read Transcendental Meditation, which was when all that junk was new...around 1975. (No, I will not watch the TM page, Bishonen.) Geogre 14:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
They're not, on the surface, but we were both Utopian. We both believed in a perfectibility or amelioration in isolation and small communities, and I was already swinging over to becoming a very liberal fundamentalist. It wasn't until 1980 that "fundamentalist" and "liberal" were announced by Falwell to be complete antonyms. I know it seems impossible to believe now, but the highly religious used to be highly ranked among the most liberal. I was also losing the fundamentalism rapidly as I read more on theology and sought a church that I could live in, and not one that gave me a choice of spiritual suicide or cult of personality. (Ok, now that is polemical.) Geogre 14:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
hi there Geogre. Due to the fact that nobody notified of the commentary at WP:ANI on my deletion of this article, I managed to miss the post as the headline didn't mention me specifically - I was unable to respond to the claims of the user before it went dead. There is a long response I posted to the user in question on my own page - but in short, the claim to notability that was present in his autobio was that he was a PhD student. AFAIK, I have seen random PhD students speedily deleted before and so, I wrote that comment in the deletion summary to make clearer the a7 reasoning. As for his claims that I had many angry messages about my deletions, well that is true, but they were about expired prods and a repost of Kai Wong, so I had to reiterate that I have not being roguely deleting stuff, just in case me might have misled anyone. Thankyou, Blnguyen | rant-line 03:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you with trivial matters, but there is some dude's myspace page link on Dunst's article. There is also a discussion page but no article for dude @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Daniel_Flay
Not real proficient at this stuff, but I thought you might want to spend a minute to clean it (if you think it is waranted). Thanks for your time. Chris -- 68.35.130.160 07:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Roses are red; Doves are white... -- ALoan (Talk) 13:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Do you think Dürer's Rhinoceros would like chewing tobacco? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Kickass, ALoan! You do a great job of pulling together multiple sources for a coherent account. There is a semi-interesting (depending on your level of patience) novel that uses Durer's print for its cover illustration and is about the voyage of that very rhinosceros and its fate, by Lawrence Norfolk, called The Pope's Rhinosceros. I can find Bestiary and Physiologus accounts, I think, of the rhinosceros and its allegorical meaning. (It's not nice, I think.) Geogre 16:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
For Norfolk, that would be "in elitist culture," as his books have attracted pleasure-reading high brows. I'm not sure if my brow is too high or too low, but I found his glibness annoying and the utter diffusion of the ending in Lempriere's Dictionary to be a cop-out. They're pleasant books, full of interesting historical background, but then the gamesmanship in them can get a bit stuffy. (A list of famous rhinosceroi? Hmm. Well, there's...uh...and, uh.... I mean Dumbo and Jumbo are easy, and Stampy the elephant, but rhinos? I can't think of one with a name.) Geogre 18:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
That's strange, as I was just thinking the same thing, sort of. I couldn't figure out whether or not anyone could investigate more deeply without going to more difficult sources, like Eco, and so whether or not it was a good FA subject. It's well above the usual DYK -- even the ones that ALoan and you have done recently -- and "Good Article" just doesn't mean much, IMO. Geogre 20:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
If we did want to FA it, there would be: 1) context of Durer's life, 2) political meaning of the donations, 3) bestiary significations, 4) classical references that would have colored Durer's representation, 5) what it meant for a German (part of the Holy Roman Empire at the time, I think). Geogre 02:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Chunee is blue now. Fascinating connection with Edmund Kean and the Theatres Royal (Harlequin and Padmanaba!). His brutal execution in March 1826 was a cause celebre. The London Zoological Society was formed in April 1826. Coincidence? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I’m patiently waiting! Not losing the hope.
Bloger 19:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I finally got to it. Sorry it took me so long. I hope it's a mitzvah and not an utzing. Geogre 12:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Means, "random acronym header" because that seems to be a trend on this page. KillerChihuahua ?!? 20:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for contributing to my successful RfA! | |
To the people who have supported my request: I appreciate the show of confidence in me and I hope I live up to your expectations! To the people who opposed the request: I'm certainly not ignoring the constructive criticism and advice you've offered. I thank you as well! ♥! ~Kylu ( u| t) 07:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC) |
Absolutely. Good luck, and may your camel never be visited by the fleas of a troll...or something like that. Geogre 11:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
So I was reading your essay on your userpage concerning schools--very interesting and inventive, especially the section in which you propose that a school (subject) must have a unique effect on the student (object). I must disagree, however.
For one, all high schools probably do have some sort of unique effect on the student, given the thousands of variables in terms of aesthetics, teachers, size, construction, etc. I realize that after reading 1000 articles on high schools they all sound the same, but undoubtedly they have some quite unique dynamics that make them worthy of their own articles.
I'll propose an anomoly to your theory--let me know what you think.
Two very large football stadiums, built using the same blueprint are constructed. Since they are essentially the same, and the only variable differing the effect on the spectator (object) is the ever-changing population inside, does this mean that each of these stadiums does not deserve an article? Or are they notable because of the effect, whatever it is, they have on the object. AdamBiswanger1 17:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I've FAR'd a literary article—one that's been chosen to represent the best of the best in Wikipedia:Version 0.5, yet. I've been putting it off — I wanted to complain at Version 0.5, but then I figgered it needed to go to FAR first. Which is a page I don't really want to frequent, I'm not happy about the requirement (yes, it's absolutely required) to say what criteria are being violated. Or about past experiences. Well, I've given it one more try, if I get flamed for poking my nose where it's not wanted, so be it. Anyway, I feel like a monster, tearing down somebody's work. :-( Bishonen | talk 16:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC).
I'm interested in your opinion of Butterface ( AfD discussion). Uncle G 19:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, i was just wondering if u have to be an administrator to comment on articles entries for deletion? Most people who comment are administrators when i click on their user pages. Im getting quite confused, your user page said u might be able to help. Thanks ( Neostinker 22:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC))
Thanks, for that. ill take a look at the deletion guidelines. Thanks very much for your help !! ( Neostinker 09:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC))
Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Klippan (sofa), you said you wanted to see more references and mentions of importance. I've added links to a couple of newspaper stories detailing the history of the Klippan. You might want to have a look. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
re:that guy's obnoxious comment: actually, the IP resolves to Cherry Hill, which is near both Princeton University and Rutgers University. Mak (talk) 21:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
Have you seen this: [12] ? Paul August ☎ 04:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Great. No one is able to understand tone. Well, maybe Fred can't. It's surprising to see the whole proposed remedies section. "Unblockable" is not really appropriate, either, because the enforcement isn't ArbCom's business. Leave that to the administrators. Now I have to make sure I have the most recent version before I comment. Geogre 11:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Geogre. You've written several excellent articles on specific works of literature, so I think you're a good person to ask this of. Would you mind taking a look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) and letting us know what you think? Some editors believe the guideline is too dismissive of what it describes as "in-universe writing", that is, writing as if a particular narrative were true without giving reference to the real world. I wrote the guideline based largely on what I'd seen and read in film criticisms, but it's possible the guideline might break when applied to literature and characters from it.
Keep in mind that this guideline is mainly intended as an argument against articles on, say, Darth Vader being nothing more than fictional biographies masquerading as encyclopedia articles. But with a scope as large as fiction in general, it's important that the guideline be applicable to a wide variety of situations. Any input is welcome. Thanks, -- BrianSmithson 16:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Brian, I was a coward. I tried to read all the talk page stuff. I really did. I read maybe half of it, but it was as I had feared: ten thousand Kelvin of heat and two lumens of light. I did the chicken thing and posted at the bottom, hoping to open a new round and offer advice that wasn't enmeshed in a quarrel. What effect it will have, I cannot guess, but I suspect it won't have much. The general convention is to write "in-universe" some of the time. When you're relating the events of the thing, you go in, but the trick is that you can't stay there. If you don't have "outside universe" before it and after it, you're writing cruft and nudging your fellow ComiCon booth sitter. No one wants that in an encyclopedia. Geogre 19:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Would you mind terribly much if you finish the job, it almost looks like someone selectively blocked only AOL. To avoid the appearance of impropriety it would probably be a good idea to block 1.0.0.0 through to 205.188.116.200 and 205.188.116.202 up to 255.255.255.255, as it is right now, this range block is somewhat incomplete, and there are still many dangerous IP editors running around behaving constructivly, they should be blocked before it's too late-- AOL account 14:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there a standard format for putting a relevant quote at the top of a wikipedia article? Thanks in advance. -- NEMT 16:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
::Let us go then, you and I, when the evening is spread out against the sky,<br> ::Like a patient, etherised upon a table, through certain streets ::The muttering retreats, of empty nights spent in cheap one-night hotels, ::And sawdust restaurants with oyster shells. ::Streets that follow like a tedious argument of insidious intent.
The effect of doing that will be a block offset, thus:
"The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock (1917) is a landmark poem by T.S. Eliot, first published in Prufrock and Other Observations. Its opening lines are some of the most famous in Modernist poetry:
Eliot combined
symbolism with the
imagism created by his friend
Ezra Pound to create some of the most densely packed poetry of the era."
Is that what you're asking about?
Geogre 17:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you both for the advice, I could've sworn I'd seen some wiki article with a quote as the opener. Oh well. -- NEMT 21:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. You mentioned in the deletion review for California State Normal School that Michaelch7 had been brought up over in WP:AN/I for his behavior. Do you mind linking to this discussion? I can't seem to find it. -- NeoChaosX 19:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, could I get your opinion on a biographical article I wrote on G. Ledyard Stebbins that I am trying to get through FAC. I'm having trouble with an objector who thinks that his importance to science isn't clear- I think it is spelled out clearly in the lead, and expanded on. I don't know what to do other than dumbing down the prose significantly.-- Peta 01:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
It's a part of the common law of WP:AfD - not sure if it's codified anywhere. To delete an article titled Russia rather than clean it up is pure madness. If an article about a country is just a stub, it's still worthwhile It's a stub is not a good criterion for deletion. Micronations claiming to be countries in general fails WP:HORSE and thus the position All countries are inherently worthy of articles is a true one. FWIW, I'm not saying that I believe that all high schools are worthy of articles, just that it is a part of the common law that they are. WilyD 14:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by WilyD ( talk • contribs)
Irrespective of the fact that you are an administrator, you are not immune to the policies at WP:NPA. Referring to other editors as "feeble" is a clear personal attack and is without question uncivil. As an administrator, you are well aware that continued personal attacks of this nature can lead to being blocked. I respectfully request that you refrain from such references to other editors in the course of discussions. It is offensive in the main. I realize that WP:RPA is not generally considered acceptable at present, and I shouldn't have removed your blatant personal attacks.-- Nicodemus75 21:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, it's been time for an archive for a while, and it was on my to-do list, but then there was that "warning," which, of course, would have been another gotcha had I archived. <shrug> I'll let him have last word and "win" and all that. Whee. Geogre 13:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)