This is #10. Who'dathunk it? It follows #9 and precedes the end of the world as we know it.
If I'm not mistaken, you have access to OED. I'm working on battleship and to get the definition right, do you think you could dig up information on the earliest recorded usage of "battleship", if there are several definitions and such? You might want to have a peek at subtlety. It's still not much, but at least it has a reference now.
Do respond on this page.
cheers,
Peter Isotalo 11:22, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
battleship
orig. U.S.
[Shortening of line-of-battle ship: see BATTLE n. 12.]
A line-of-battle ship; a warship of the largest and most heavily armoured class.
b. cruiser-battleship or battleship cruiser: a battleship of the type designed for speed, less heavily armoured than a ship of the line.
c. attrib. and Comb. battleship grey (or gray), a slightly bluish grey colour often used in painting battleships.
Peter, there was some formatting that didn't survive my copying--italics and bold--so you'd better get back to me if you'll be using any actual OED quote in the article. Bishonen | talk 14:29, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Hello guys. Was just swinging by one of Wp's finest User pages when I saw this, so I decided to do my random act of kindness for the day. However, Bishonen had swung to the rescue by the time I finished formatting the entry with italics and what not, so I won't paste that, but if you want the Humphreys ref, the works given in the biblio for David Humphreys are:
I'm not sure why the date (1794) doesn't match; in all the time I've used OED, this is the first I've seen what might be a mistake. Is Humphreys' Poem on Industry to be found in Poems or Miscellaneous works? Incidentally, I think WP might actually have an entry on this fellow. Anyhoo, all best wishes— encephalon έγκέφαλος 15:01:40, 2005-09-10 (UTC)
at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roflcopter (again). — Phil Welch 23:04, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Please do not characterize me as someone who wants to "keep everything", because this that is not the case. It is particularly misleading in the context of an apparent hoax like Drigluidjunblégruidjundlei which I agree should be deleted if no-one can verify it. Kappa 17:57, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
An AfD concerning the article pronunciation of Hong Kong is going down right now. Your input is appreciated. I'm personally very, very concerned about what this new type of trivia-addition can lead to.
Peter Isotalo 06:50, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my RfA application! Much appreciated! The Singing Badger 16:14, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your support in my recent RFA! All those extra buttons might not be a big deal, but getting all this positive feedback sure is, please let me know if you have any problems or comments regarding how I use all these shiny new levers and cranks! Rx StrangeLove 00:54, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I've recorded some of my thoughts and ideas about problems within Wikipedia, and some possible solutions here. I'd like your thoughts, and whether or not you think I'm crazy. Well, you know, beyond my normal level of craziness. Thanks.-- Scimitar parley 17:43, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliment. I just tried to get the facts across to our friend Sophie. I wouldn't want to scare people away from Wikipedia; it's always my hope that some can become useful editors. Let's see if this works. Cheers, Bratsche talk | Esperanza 21:43, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
I just wanted to drop you a note to thank you for your support on my RfA. I'll try my best to live up to the trust you've shown in me. And hey, maybe the opposition to anything you like isn't as strong as you thought! Thanks, Nandesuka 00:47, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
User_talk:FeloniousMonk#About_Mel FeloniousMonk 15:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your support and kind words at my RfA. It means alot, particularly coming from an editor such as yourself. I have to admit, I was looking for a support vote from the Geogre, and was starting to get a little worried that it wasn't coming. Thanks again. - R. fiend 15:51, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Please reconsider your vote. The school does exist. The campus has been topped off and construction ended on September 14th (now they gotta paint it and create gardens/fields, and fill it with crap). Classes have begun on the Doral Middle School Campus, with its own hours and section at that campus. It has an administration, teachers, and 9th grade students, it will be holding Sports try-outs for Spring and Winter sports for this school year next Tuesday at another nearby High School; it has a chosen mascot and colors, has an address, phone numbers, boundaries, feeder schools, and a PTA. I don't think it qualifies as a crystal ball article just because the main campus hasn't opened yet. The article is about the school, not about the building. PRueda29 23:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Geogre, I dont believe that we have spoken before. The reason for my "visit", is that Im asking if you could be a little more pleasant on RFAs. Now, Im not saying that you are mean or hurtful, or anything, dont get me wrong. And I dont think its intentional, but the tone of many of your comments are a bit —for lack of a better word—harsh. For example, on Empty2005's RFA you said "Oppose: Not even remotely within a cannon shot of the standards, and the very self-nom here is nearly a sign of contempt for our processes". You raise very valid points in your comments, but sometimes its not what you say, but how you say what you say, you know. Many times, there are others who would opt for adminship, but they are afraid that they will be torn down (I know I was). So please, take it a bit easier. Thanks →Journalist >>talk<< 03:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Geogre!
I would like to dispute the first point of advice that you give on your userpage: "VfD is for votes, not proof." The recent name change of VFD to AFD was to in fact to empasize that the deletion discussion page was not for pure voting, and to encourage discussion rather than voting.
In general when I close a debate where the result is not immediately obvious I will start off with counting the votes, but I won't stop there. In general, I look for a two-thirds majority to delete, but exceptions are common. Among other things apart from the vote count I consider these factors in a close debate:
A vote given with a very brief reason ("Delete nn" or "Keep, I like this article") or worse, no reason at all, will get tallied for the vote count, and that is a fairly important part of my decision making. But they carry very little weight when I am weighing the arguments in a close call. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Geogre-- Thank you for your comments on my RfA. I never realised that JETFA would cause so much derision. It was never really meant as a slam on people that simply tag articles. It was just to try and encourage people to edit articles, rather than leave them for someone else. Thank you for your kind words, and if I do not get promoted, I hope you would think about supporting me in a few months. Thanks for your time. -- Lord Vold e mort (Dark Mark) 14:27, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Image:Rouge-Admin.png is beautiful and I have adopted it. I've also put Geogre-7 on the WP:AFD front page, we'll see how long it lasts ;-) - David Gerard 11:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Good Lord! I'm shocked it made it 52 minutes. The best thing about being me is that it means I don't have to see me. I couldn't imagine sharing the horror like that. As for the Rouge Admin award, I encourage all Rouge Admins to proudly identify themselves with the banner, so long as they are aware that Italians could take offense, as the real Red Brigades did some fairly nasty things, and no one should be perceived as making light of their violence. Geogre 13:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Have you been accused of being a "Rouge" admin by the sorts of people who can't spell? Do you have thugs, morons, and goons on your user page demanding that you stop being mean to them? Do you find yourself looking for ways to interpret the speedy deletion criteria to cover the general category "crap?" Have you been accused of "censorship" for removing or advising against personal attacks and/or the removal of photos of genitals? If you answered "yes" to any of these, or if you just plain feel like it, you deserve the award. :-) Geogre 13:52, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh, dear... I recently sent a stuffy and humorless little missive to David Gerard, not realising that his addition of your image to WP:AFD had your... blessing... foreknowledge. I think an edit war may be in progress as SPUI reinserted it immediately after Sjakkale removed it. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Since you seemed unsure about your editing of the of the Norse Mythology article- well, I like the expansion you wrote. :) P.MacUidhir 00:11, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
In recognition of your excellent work on the Peterborough Chronicle (thereby making you our first Wikipedist, circa the 14th century ;)), I am happy to present you with this Epic Barnstar, which, although cracked and moss-covered and whatnot, is still fully serviceable and would fetch a good price. Bring it by the Antiques' Roadshow sometime!-- Scimitar parley 16:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your note; unfortunately, my return has not been universally welcome. I had an e-mail today that is giving me cause for reconsidering. Filiocht | The kettle's on 07:13, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Geogre. While I my opinion and your opinion diverged completetely on Tony Sidaway's RFC, I agree with you on the one brought against Snowspinner. I too believe that the rules on AFD should be followed. Lawful Neutral is the best alignment you can be.
I'm just a bit curious why you started mentioning Kappa on the noticeboard however. While Kappa votes "keep" very often, I have actually never seen him call for a "speedy keep" or a premature closing of a debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I don't consider "delete nn" as an invalid vote, at least no more invalid than any unreasoned vote. When I close debates, such votes go into my vote count although they don't carry much weight if the decision is a close one. 6d-3k for example is something I will call a "delete" in most circumstances (two thirds majority after all), but if a valid reason to keep ("this person has written a best-selling book, here is the reference") has just been answered with "delete nn", I will have no qualms about declaring: "keep (no consensus), the reason given to keep was never rebutted." Anyway, I always look to Rossami for inspiration to find good ways to close difficult debates, I think you summed up his assets really well when you supported his adminship. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh? When was the last time anyone said "notability" was the reason for wanting an absurd exercise in futility like "East Street High School is a school on East Street. Its colors are black and white?" I almost never see that. When the article nomination specifically mentions that the "article" is a substub, you show up with "All schools are notable" and "Notable!" That smacks of never even having read the article. As I have said repeatedly, not all schools are notable. Not all of anything is notable. The debate should be on the article, not the subject, not the nominator, not some divinely revealed principle, not ethnicity. Vote the damned article, not some moronic imagination of a war between "deletionists" and "inclusionists." As I have also said repeatedly, a vote without a rationale is not a vote. It is the duty of voters to have a rationale, even if it's "per Bob" or "per nomination." This, incidentally, is not just my opinion: we have abolished quickpolls and we have had several motions on whether rationale is required. Begging Sjakkalle's pardon, but he really shouldn't be counting votes that have no rationale, nor nonce voters. In my opinion, he also ought not count votes that don't address the article, that, instead, go off on some tangent and are offered against the Great Red Herring. Geogre 16:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Fix it, and I'll vote "keep." I've always changed votes if people repair the articles, and so would the other "deletionists." Don't fix it, and you should vote "delete." If it, in its present form, violates the deletion policy, then the only proper vote is "delete." If it is advertising now, you should vote delete until the advertising is gone. Having faith that someone, somewhere, some time will fix it is a wonderful vision, but you leave irrelevancies and advertising and trash on the site while you wait for that hypothetical person. The old "inclusionists" used to actually fix the articles while they were on VfD. I have nothing but respect for them. As for people who won't do any work but vote to "keep" anyway...not so much. The more repair work I see, the greater my respect. The more "I don't care! I vote keep because it's on my subject!" I see, the more I call it disruption. The more "Come on, everyone! Let's all show up and vote 'keep' because it's on a subject we like" I see, the more I consider it vandalism and GNAA-style trolling. That should explain my reaction well enough. (In the case of "Lincoln elementary school is in summitt New jersey," there needs to be something about that particular school to make it unique, other than its address and employees. Otherwise, the corner Texaco station should get an entry.) Geogre 20:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
I want to treat public high schools and others with no particular history or character the same way that I would a hotdog stand. Cities have historical significance, no matter what. Universities are in by fiat, and each, by its nature, not only seeks to be different from the others but must be different from the others, as it is a wholly independent unit with its own sovereignty over curriculum, location, schedule, admissions, and activities. Public schools have none of that and therefore resemble each other to such a degree that there's no distinguishing between them, except by address. Therefore, they are not set apart from the others and are not discussion topics. However, I treat school articles exactly like village, shopping mall, and hotdog stand articles: if the article says nothing that distinguishes it from the rest, then there is no need for an article on it. We don't have articles because it is pleasant to the authors -- that's Everything2 -- but because they serve a function in reference that is not duplicated by a map or a phone book. Again, no article is automatically included, towns, universities, etc. Some subjects are automatic byes, but no articles. You want to not read or evaluate the articles and just say that, because it's got "school" in the title, it has to be kept. That's irresponsible and thuggish. Geogre 21:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
We've established that you don't read the articles and don't vote on their contents, but rather on the purported subject matter. Experience has shown that you also don't work to improve those articles before voting, "keep." You appear to be a person who learns more from "It is a place in Russia" and "It is a school in Patterson, New Jersey" than you do from map and phone books, although how you do this remains a mystery known only to you. Now, once you also allow others to differ from your view and not hector them when they reasonably nominate or vote to delete for lack of content, lack of significance, or lack of worth of a particular article, we'll have really done some good work. Geogre 02:40, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
The substub is not left in peace, in fact. It is speedy deleted, as is proper for a thing like that. No, Kappa, there is no category whatever where the mere promise of a subject in the article title allows it to be kept, and if you're voting "keep" on substubs you are voting against the speedy delete criteria as well as the deletion guidelines. Do please try to read the articles you vote on and see what they say. In several instances you have "rebutted" arguments never set forth by the nominators and shown desperate unfamiliarity with the articles you voted on, even voting to "keep" copyright violations. Stop that knee from jerking just long enough to read the articles and vote in line with the deletion guidelines, not in line with a desire that some day the article will be appropriate for inclusion... ...Unless you're actually going to start trying to improve the articles and put in some work on them, that is. Geogre 03:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Geogre, I in fact don't speedy delete things like "X is a village in Y". Such an article has awfully little content to be sure, but there is still enough context to run clear the "little or no context" rule of CSD. I would most definitely prefer that people plant small plants rather than seeds, ("X is a village in Y. It has a population of 5000 and lies 10 km north of the city of Z. It is connected by railway." is a small plant, while "X is a village in Y" is a seed.), and I try to make articles at least somwhat informative before submitting them. However, even a seed can grow so I let them stay. Now garbage has got to go, so if the article on the real village was "X is gay" that gets a speedy delete. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
On days when I'm in a good mood and on New Pages Patrol (sadly a combination which there has been less of lately) and discover "X is a town in Y" articles, I will google on the name to make an attempt to find something more about the town for a small but fast expansion, so it can grow from substub to stub. If the substub had been speedied, the town might go for a long time without an article. The {{expand}}-template as well as the various {{stub}} templates are usually better than deleting. There are several people working on expanding stubs, so I say give it some time. Tell, you what I'm in a fairly good mood today, I'll try to expand 10 geographical substubs today! Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi. You voted to delete Systemwars.com and it was deleted. However, Tony Sidaway has decided that your vote and the consensus that agreed with you was insufficient. He has recreated the article in violation of policy and relisted it for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Systemwars.com (second version). Please take a look. - Tεx τ urε 15:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
John Arbuthnot is lovely! "The only fault an enemy could lay upon him was a slight waddle in his walk". The Augustan Age seems to have taken a great interest in the way a person walks. Did you know that the actor John Verbruggen, who played the reformed rake in The Relapse, was reportedly "a little in-kneed, which gave him a shambling gait"? But that wasn't a fault in his case, it "was a carelessness, and became him". :-) Bishonen | talk 01:51, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, when it comes time, I'll be happy to help hide the commie barbs. I've hidden a few in my own in the past, and I hid a nice "18th c. publishing = today's web" and "18th c. drama = Hollywood," and I've seen those bear fruit already. I had someone "help" an article with the former point in it by explicitly stating it as a new revelation (tee-hee quathe he) and the latter by saying it in comments. I suppose you can try to cover the lack of portraits with "here are the people whose jobs they took" and with "this is a stage, and this is a different stage, and this is a picture of people on a stage; none of these people are discussed in the article," but, of course, that's annoying. What I like about it is that The Relapse ties in most of your other articles so that it appears that you are writing it because of general research, and Bishonen readers get it. It was that way with Augustan literature for me: I got a chance to essentially tie in every article I've written here (except the religious and mythological ones). It kind of felt like "all my articles are developments of this one thing," and I got to do the shaping of it. There's a lot of pleasure in that. (It just occurred to me: there is room for anti-commie barbs, too, as the workers controlled the means of production, only to have themselves prove a bad boss, too. (Or was that after '95?) Geogre 21:19, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Erm, Geogre, pedantries: how come the Peterborough Chronicle isn't italicized when Gesta Regum Anglorum is, is there a system? More importantly, what's up with the "copy of Winchester's", I don't understand what that means? Is the link supposed to be an Easter egg with Winchester Cathedral inside? Why? Bishonen | talk 20:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
This is #10. Who'dathunk it? It follows #9 and precedes the end of the world as we know it.
If I'm not mistaken, you have access to OED. I'm working on battleship and to get the definition right, do you think you could dig up information on the earliest recorded usage of "battleship", if there are several definitions and such? You might want to have a peek at subtlety. It's still not much, but at least it has a reference now.
Do respond on this page.
cheers,
Peter Isotalo 11:22, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
battleship
orig. U.S.
[Shortening of line-of-battle ship: see BATTLE n. 12.]
A line-of-battle ship; a warship of the largest and most heavily armoured class.
b. cruiser-battleship or battleship cruiser: a battleship of the type designed for speed, less heavily armoured than a ship of the line.
c. attrib. and Comb. battleship grey (or gray), a slightly bluish grey colour often used in painting battleships.
Peter, there was some formatting that didn't survive my copying--italics and bold--so you'd better get back to me if you'll be using any actual OED quote in the article. Bishonen | talk 14:29, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Hello guys. Was just swinging by one of Wp's finest User pages when I saw this, so I decided to do my random act of kindness for the day. However, Bishonen had swung to the rescue by the time I finished formatting the entry with italics and what not, so I won't paste that, but if you want the Humphreys ref, the works given in the biblio for David Humphreys are:
I'm not sure why the date (1794) doesn't match; in all the time I've used OED, this is the first I've seen what might be a mistake. Is Humphreys' Poem on Industry to be found in Poems or Miscellaneous works? Incidentally, I think WP might actually have an entry on this fellow. Anyhoo, all best wishes— encephalon έγκέφαλος 15:01:40, 2005-09-10 (UTC)
at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roflcopter (again). — Phil Welch 23:04, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Please do not characterize me as someone who wants to "keep everything", because this that is not the case. It is particularly misleading in the context of an apparent hoax like Drigluidjunblégruidjundlei which I agree should be deleted if no-one can verify it. Kappa 17:57, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
An AfD concerning the article pronunciation of Hong Kong is going down right now. Your input is appreciated. I'm personally very, very concerned about what this new type of trivia-addition can lead to.
Peter Isotalo 06:50, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my RfA application! Much appreciated! The Singing Badger 16:14, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your support in my recent RFA! All those extra buttons might not be a big deal, but getting all this positive feedback sure is, please let me know if you have any problems or comments regarding how I use all these shiny new levers and cranks! Rx StrangeLove 00:54, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I've recorded some of my thoughts and ideas about problems within Wikipedia, and some possible solutions here. I'd like your thoughts, and whether or not you think I'm crazy. Well, you know, beyond my normal level of craziness. Thanks.-- Scimitar parley 17:43, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliment. I just tried to get the facts across to our friend Sophie. I wouldn't want to scare people away from Wikipedia; it's always my hope that some can become useful editors. Let's see if this works. Cheers, Bratsche talk | Esperanza 21:43, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
I just wanted to drop you a note to thank you for your support on my RfA. I'll try my best to live up to the trust you've shown in me. And hey, maybe the opposition to anything you like isn't as strong as you thought! Thanks, Nandesuka 00:47, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
User_talk:FeloniousMonk#About_Mel FeloniousMonk 15:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your support and kind words at my RfA. It means alot, particularly coming from an editor such as yourself. I have to admit, I was looking for a support vote from the Geogre, and was starting to get a little worried that it wasn't coming. Thanks again. - R. fiend 15:51, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Please reconsider your vote. The school does exist. The campus has been topped off and construction ended on September 14th (now they gotta paint it and create gardens/fields, and fill it with crap). Classes have begun on the Doral Middle School Campus, with its own hours and section at that campus. It has an administration, teachers, and 9th grade students, it will be holding Sports try-outs for Spring and Winter sports for this school year next Tuesday at another nearby High School; it has a chosen mascot and colors, has an address, phone numbers, boundaries, feeder schools, and a PTA. I don't think it qualifies as a crystal ball article just because the main campus hasn't opened yet. The article is about the school, not about the building. PRueda29 23:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Geogre, I dont believe that we have spoken before. The reason for my "visit", is that Im asking if you could be a little more pleasant on RFAs. Now, Im not saying that you are mean or hurtful, or anything, dont get me wrong. And I dont think its intentional, but the tone of many of your comments are a bit —for lack of a better word—harsh. For example, on Empty2005's RFA you said "Oppose: Not even remotely within a cannon shot of the standards, and the very self-nom here is nearly a sign of contempt for our processes". You raise very valid points in your comments, but sometimes its not what you say, but how you say what you say, you know. Many times, there are others who would opt for adminship, but they are afraid that they will be torn down (I know I was). So please, take it a bit easier. Thanks →Journalist >>talk<< 03:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Geogre!
I would like to dispute the first point of advice that you give on your userpage: "VfD is for votes, not proof." The recent name change of VFD to AFD was to in fact to empasize that the deletion discussion page was not for pure voting, and to encourage discussion rather than voting.
In general when I close a debate where the result is not immediately obvious I will start off with counting the votes, but I won't stop there. In general, I look for a two-thirds majority to delete, but exceptions are common. Among other things apart from the vote count I consider these factors in a close debate:
A vote given with a very brief reason ("Delete nn" or "Keep, I like this article") or worse, no reason at all, will get tallied for the vote count, and that is a fairly important part of my decision making. But they carry very little weight when I am weighing the arguments in a close call. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Geogre-- Thank you for your comments on my RfA. I never realised that JETFA would cause so much derision. It was never really meant as a slam on people that simply tag articles. It was just to try and encourage people to edit articles, rather than leave them for someone else. Thank you for your kind words, and if I do not get promoted, I hope you would think about supporting me in a few months. Thanks for your time. -- Lord Vold e mort (Dark Mark) 14:27, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Image:Rouge-Admin.png is beautiful and I have adopted it. I've also put Geogre-7 on the WP:AFD front page, we'll see how long it lasts ;-) - David Gerard 11:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Good Lord! I'm shocked it made it 52 minutes. The best thing about being me is that it means I don't have to see me. I couldn't imagine sharing the horror like that. As for the Rouge Admin award, I encourage all Rouge Admins to proudly identify themselves with the banner, so long as they are aware that Italians could take offense, as the real Red Brigades did some fairly nasty things, and no one should be perceived as making light of their violence. Geogre 13:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Have you been accused of being a "Rouge" admin by the sorts of people who can't spell? Do you have thugs, morons, and goons on your user page demanding that you stop being mean to them? Do you find yourself looking for ways to interpret the speedy deletion criteria to cover the general category "crap?" Have you been accused of "censorship" for removing or advising against personal attacks and/or the removal of photos of genitals? If you answered "yes" to any of these, or if you just plain feel like it, you deserve the award. :-) Geogre 13:52, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh, dear... I recently sent a stuffy and humorless little missive to David Gerard, not realising that his addition of your image to WP:AFD had your... blessing... foreknowledge. I think an edit war may be in progress as SPUI reinserted it immediately after Sjakkale removed it. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Since you seemed unsure about your editing of the of the Norse Mythology article- well, I like the expansion you wrote. :) P.MacUidhir 00:11, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
In recognition of your excellent work on the Peterborough Chronicle (thereby making you our first Wikipedist, circa the 14th century ;)), I am happy to present you with this Epic Barnstar, which, although cracked and moss-covered and whatnot, is still fully serviceable and would fetch a good price. Bring it by the Antiques' Roadshow sometime!-- Scimitar parley 16:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your note; unfortunately, my return has not been universally welcome. I had an e-mail today that is giving me cause for reconsidering. Filiocht | The kettle's on 07:13, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Geogre. While I my opinion and your opinion diverged completetely on Tony Sidaway's RFC, I agree with you on the one brought against Snowspinner. I too believe that the rules on AFD should be followed. Lawful Neutral is the best alignment you can be.
I'm just a bit curious why you started mentioning Kappa on the noticeboard however. While Kappa votes "keep" very often, I have actually never seen him call for a "speedy keep" or a premature closing of a debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I don't consider "delete nn" as an invalid vote, at least no more invalid than any unreasoned vote. When I close debates, such votes go into my vote count although they don't carry much weight if the decision is a close one. 6d-3k for example is something I will call a "delete" in most circumstances (two thirds majority after all), but if a valid reason to keep ("this person has written a best-selling book, here is the reference") has just been answered with "delete nn", I will have no qualms about declaring: "keep (no consensus), the reason given to keep was never rebutted." Anyway, I always look to Rossami for inspiration to find good ways to close difficult debates, I think you summed up his assets really well when you supported his adminship. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh? When was the last time anyone said "notability" was the reason for wanting an absurd exercise in futility like "East Street High School is a school on East Street. Its colors are black and white?" I almost never see that. When the article nomination specifically mentions that the "article" is a substub, you show up with "All schools are notable" and "Notable!" That smacks of never even having read the article. As I have said repeatedly, not all schools are notable. Not all of anything is notable. The debate should be on the article, not the subject, not the nominator, not some divinely revealed principle, not ethnicity. Vote the damned article, not some moronic imagination of a war between "deletionists" and "inclusionists." As I have also said repeatedly, a vote without a rationale is not a vote. It is the duty of voters to have a rationale, even if it's "per Bob" or "per nomination." This, incidentally, is not just my opinion: we have abolished quickpolls and we have had several motions on whether rationale is required. Begging Sjakkalle's pardon, but he really shouldn't be counting votes that have no rationale, nor nonce voters. In my opinion, he also ought not count votes that don't address the article, that, instead, go off on some tangent and are offered against the Great Red Herring. Geogre 16:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Fix it, and I'll vote "keep." I've always changed votes if people repair the articles, and so would the other "deletionists." Don't fix it, and you should vote "delete." If it, in its present form, violates the deletion policy, then the only proper vote is "delete." If it is advertising now, you should vote delete until the advertising is gone. Having faith that someone, somewhere, some time will fix it is a wonderful vision, but you leave irrelevancies and advertising and trash on the site while you wait for that hypothetical person. The old "inclusionists" used to actually fix the articles while they were on VfD. I have nothing but respect for them. As for people who won't do any work but vote to "keep" anyway...not so much. The more repair work I see, the greater my respect. The more "I don't care! I vote keep because it's on my subject!" I see, the more I call it disruption. The more "Come on, everyone! Let's all show up and vote 'keep' because it's on a subject we like" I see, the more I consider it vandalism and GNAA-style trolling. That should explain my reaction well enough. (In the case of "Lincoln elementary school is in summitt New jersey," there needs to be something about that particular school to make it unique, other than its address and employees. Otherwise, the corner Texaco station should get an entry.) Geogre 20:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
I want to treat public high schools and others with no particular history or character the same way that I would a hotdog stand. Cities have historical significance, no matter what. Universities are in by fiat, and each, by its nature, not only seeks to be different from the others but must be different from the others, as it is a wholly independent unit with its own sovereignty over curriculum, location, schedule, admissions, and activities. Public schools have none of that and therefore resemble each other to such a degree that there's no distinguishing between them, except by address. Therefore, they are not set apart from the others and are not discussion topics. However, I treat school articles exactly like village, shopping mall, and hotdog stand articles: if the article says nothing that distinguishes it from the rest, then there is no need for an article on it. We don't have articles because it is pleasant to the authors -- that's Everything2 -- but because they serve a function in reference that is not duplicated by a map or a phone book. Again, no article is automatically included, towns, universities, etc. Some subjects are automatic byes, but no articles. You want to not read or evaluate the articles and just say that, because it's got "school" in the title, it has to be kept. That's irresponsible and thuggish. Geogre 21:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
We've established that you don't read the articles and don't vote on their contents, but rather on the purported subject matter. Experience has shown that you also don't work to improve those articles before voting, "keep." You appear to be a person who learns more from "It is a place in Russia" and "It is a school in Patterson, New Jersey" than you do from map and phone books, although how you do this remains a mystery known only to you. Now, once you also allow others to differ from your view and not hector them when they reasonably nominate or vote to delete for lack of content, lack of significance, or lack of worth of a particular article, we'll have really done some good work. Geogre 02:40, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
The substub is not left in peace, in fact. It is speedy deleted, as is proper for a thing like that. No, Kappa, there is no category whatever where the mere promise of a subject in the article title allows it to be kept, and if you're voting "keep" on substubs you are voting against the speedy delete criteria as well as the deletion guidelines. Do please try to read the articles you vote on and see what they say. In several instances you have "rebutted" arguments never set forth by the nominators and shown desperate unfamiliarity with the articles you voted on, even voting to "keep" copyright violations. Stop that knee from jerking just long enough to read the articles and vote in line with the deletion guidelines, not in line with a desire that some day the article will be appropriate for inclusion... ...Unless you're actually going to start trying to improve the articles and put in some work on them, that is. Geogre 03:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Geogre, I in fact don't speedy delete things like "X is a village in Y". Such an article has awfully little content to be sure, but there is still enough context to run clear the "little or no context" rule of CSD. I would most definitely prefer that people plant small plants rather than seeds, ("X is a village in Y. It has a population of 5000 and lies 10 km north of the city of Z. It is connected by railway." is a small plant, while "X is a village in Y" is a seed.), and I try to make articles at least somwhat informative before submitting them. However, even a seed can grow so I let them stay. Now garbage has got to go, so if the article on the real village was "X is gay" that gets a speedy delete. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
On days when I'm in a good mood and on New Pages Patrol (sadly a combination which there has been less of lately) and discover "X is a town in Y" articles, I will google on the name to make an attempt to find something more about the town for a small but fast expansion, so it can grow from substub to stub. If the substub had been speedied, the town might go for a long time without an article. The {{expand}}-template as well as the various {{stub}} templates are usually better than deleting. There are several people working on expanding stubs, so I say give it some time. Tell, you what I'm in a fairly good mood today, I'll try to expand 10 geographical substubs today! Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi. You voted to delete Systemwars.com and it was deleted. However, Tony Sidaway has decided that your vote and the consensus that agreed with you was insufficient. He has recreated the article in violation of policy and relisted it for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Systemwars.com (second version). Please take a look. - Tεx τ urε 15:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
John Arbuthnot is lovely! "The only fault an enemy could lay upon him was a slight waddle in his walk". The Augustan Age seems to have taken a great interest in the way a person walks. Did you know that the actor John Verbruggen, who played the reformed rake in The Relapse, was reportedly "a little in-kneed, which gave him a shambling gait"? But that wasn't a fault in his case, it "was a carelessness, and became him". :-) Bishonen | talk 01:51, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, when it comes time, I'll be happy to help hide the commie barbs. I've hidden a few in my own in the past, and I hid a nice "18th c. publishing = today's web" and "18th c. drama = Hollywood," and I've seen those bear fruit already. I had someone "help" an article with the former point in it by explicitly stating it as a new revelation (tee-hee quathe he) and the latter by saying it in comments. I suppose you can try to cover the lack of portraits with "here are the people whose jobs they took" and with "this is a stage, and this is a different stage, and this is a picture of people on a stage; none of these people are discussed in the article," but, of course, that's annoying. What I like about it is that The Relapse ties in most of your other articles so that it appears that you are writing it because of general research, and Bishonen readers get it. It was that way with Augustan literature for me: I got a chance to essentially tie in every article I've written here (except the religious and mythological ones). It kind of felt like "all my articles are developments of this one thing," and I got to do the shaping of it. There's a lot of pleasure in that. (It just occurred to me: there is room for anti-commie barbs, too, as the workers controlled the means of production, only to have themselves prove a bad boss, too. (Or was that after '95?) Geogre 21:19, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Erm, Geogre, pedantries: how come the Peterborough Chronicle isn't italicized when Gesta Regum Anglorum is, is there a system? More importantly, what's up with the "copy of Winchester's", I don't understand what that means? Is the link supposed to be an Easter egg with Winchester Cathedral inside? Why? Bishonen | talk 20:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC)