Sir, you objection to my commenting was unjust. I urge you with respect, please focus primary efforts towards real-world. Thank You Wen Hsing 17:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Recently two users have done extremely good and labor intensive work on the Kingdom Hearts (series) articles and the Mana (series) articles, and perhaps we should construct a hall of fame, it might help encourage more participation in the project. Judgesurreal777 23:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, good luck with your exams. We keep pushing the closing time back at FAR, anyhow (just closed Belgium after eight weeks). If you get a chance, you might drop a note to Sandy—mid-year blues. Marskell 12:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
My reply to you from a while ago bounced back yesterday. Cache full? Tony 02:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps, then, you can help me to define more closely what I dislike about pop and rock—the particular types, styles, or elements. Tony 15:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow, it's an excellent policy proposal - I deliberately interpret it as such, rather than as an essay because I endorse it on the strongest possible terms, as you can imagine. I recently had a run-in with regard to spin-of articles here, but I couldn't effectively convey my point of view which I now found concisely summarised in your draft. When are you going to move it to WP space for approval discussion? — AldeBaer ( c) 17:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikibooks has a very specific charter and will not allow content pertaining to Video Games, TV Series or other media that has not been published or is too new to warrant a University program about it. Which means that a sizable part of fiction will not be covered by this guideline, re: working with the sister projects. I liked that you added Wikia as an alternative in your original draft, Deck, but I think you should expand it a bit, i.e. mention what kind of fiction goes where. Renmiri 00:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Sigh. Was hoping to look into the tag mountain of fair use images needing tags; hopefully your proposal for WP:FICT won't completely distract from that. I have some issues with that, but I suppose I'll keep those to the main discussion thread.
The reason I'm dropping off a message here has to do with transwiking, especially the Xenosaga wiki example in your draft. On the general issue of transwiking... let me first state that if good content is inappropriate for Wikipedia, transwiking the material then linking to it is a good thing, as it respects that content may be good even if Wikipedia isn't the place for it. And an emphasis on "be sure to transwiki the article first!" before redirecting without merging quality articles is absolutely a good thing. Nevertheless... I remain unimpressed with Wikia. The better Wikipedia articles on fictional topics have stayed clear of speculation and kept a fine factual account, even if it's mostly in-universe. Sure, not all of them are up to that standard, but a lot of the FF project of 6 months ago seemed pretty good on that count, for example. Wikia seems closer to the horrible fanboy swamps. So I can't help but feel that this is a "ninth best" option or the like. It's better than nothing, but I'd normally much rather see the Wikipedia treatment of the topic (and I suppose this ties into the "where should the notability line be drawn?" issue with fiction).
As for the Xeno wiki in particular... I'm not sure it's a good example for the guideline. It doesn't seem to have caught on at all, with no recent changes in the last 10 days. A lightly trafficked Wiki is vulnerable to uncaught passerby vandalism, or, in some ways even worse, a psychotic major editor who sculpts the place into their own personal shrine. Moreover, it seems that the various articles were de-merged to individual articles. What's the point? I'm a mergist largely because that's a better presentation of information, and the lists that were re-split upon moving to the XS wikia are much worse. A quick check of the Final Fantasy wikia shows some similar splits (like the list of FF9 locations) which are meh. Wikis need a critical mass of contributors to work right; perhaps the Xeno wiki should be disbanded with the content moved to a general gaming wiki? I know there are several, but ideally just one should be picked across Wikipedia to be favored, with the goal of having it actually be decent. SnowFire 00:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I have two minor ideas regarding the proposal: Do you think it'd possible to establish when article spinout are justified and when not? I'm asking with special regard to "XYZ in fiction"-type articles as spinouts of non-fiction subjects. Obviously, some are very well justified and are fully developed, like e.g. Earth in fiction, but many are not (edit: and I'm afraid most feature only primary sources, which may be yet another issue to mention).
The second idea concerns specialised wikis like, first and foremost, Wookiepedia. Is there any way to establish a rule of thumb as to when an article is more suitable there? It may e.g. help reduce the impact of ILIKEIT votes in AfDs if a guideline (preferably this one) offered some general advice on the issue.
Well, just my 2 cents. Best regards, — AldeBaer ( c) 17:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, what's next? Post it to WikiEN-l? — AldeBaer ( c) 18:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at my second round draft. — AldeBaer ( c) 14:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for all that you have done! Your unspent heart a message sends For your warm words any time I need them Love, |
Saw your note on Sharon's page, hope you're not feeling too stressed out. We need you around here... the sane version of you! :) Take care. Riana (talk) 22:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Tyler, baby, I see you're going through a rough moment yourself, and tho I haven't read the mailing list lately, I can figure it out from your explanation. I just read your guideline, and it strikes me as an excellent proposal; with your permission, I'll gladly chime in at the discussion. But please, know that many, many of us who value your excellent and hard work stand by your side; you're not, in any way, facing this alone. I know I speak for many people when I say you're one of the greatest assets our community can boast of counting on today, and no amount of silly discussion will make us change our mind. Please, if you feel like venting it all out, my emaila ddy is just a click away from here, and I promise my shoulder is just waiting for you to lean on, and my ears are ready to hear your worries and your concerns. We love you, Tyler! Phaedriel - 23:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Can it wait a few days? RL work frenzy. Tony 01:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Noting the warmth is giving you stress - I'd be happy to actually get some, you know, sunshine in Summer. To use the vernacular, over here, it's fucking pissing it down. Seriously, half of Yorkshire (where I live) is flooded. Will ( talk) 01:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I am planning to submit the telecommunication article for featured article status in a few day's time. I welcome any thoughts you have on the article before I do this.
Thanks, Cedars 00:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Sir, you objection to my commenting was unjust. I urge you with respect, please focus primary efforts towards real-world. Thank You Wen Hsing 17:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Recently two users have done extremely good and labor intensive work on the Kingdom Hearts (series) articles and the Mana (series) articles, and perhaps we should construct a hall of fame, it might help encourage more participation in the project. Judgesurreal777 23:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, good luck with your exams. We keep pushing the closing time back at FAR, anyhow (just closed Belgium after eight weeks). If you get a chance, you might drop a note to Sandy—mid-year blues. Marskell 12:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
My reply to you from a while ago bounced back yesterday. Cache full? Tony 02:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps, then, you can help me to define more closely what I dislike about pop and rock—the particular types, styles, or elements. Tony 15:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow, it's an excellent policy proposal - I deliberately interpret it as such, rather than as an essay because I endorse it on the strongest possible terms, as you can imagine. I recently had a run-in with regard to spin-of articles here, but I couldn't effectively convey my point of view which I now found concisely summarised in your draft. When are you going to move it to WP space for approval discussion? — AldeBaer ( c) 17:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikibooks has a very specific charter and will not allow content pertaining to Video Games, TV Series or other media that has not been published or is too new to warrant a University program about it. Which means that a sizable part of fiction will not be covered by this guideline, re: working with the sister projects. I liked that you added Wikia as an alternative in your original draft, Deck, but I think you should expand it a bit, i.e. mention what kind of fiction goes where. Renmiri 00:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Sigh. Was hoping to look into the tag mountain of fair use images needing tags; hopefully your proposal for WP:FICT won't completely distract from that. I have some issues with that, but I suppose I'll keep those to the main discussion thread.
The reason I'm dropping off a message here has to do with transwiking, especially the Xenosaga wiki example in your draft. On the general issue of transwiking... let me first state that if good content is inappropriate for Wikipedia, transwiking the material then linking to it is a good thing, as it respects that content may be good even if Wikipedia isn't the place for it. And an emphasis on "be sure to transwiki the article first!" before redirecting without merging quality articles is absolutely a good thing. Nevertheless... I remain unimpressed with Wikia. The better Wikipedia articles on fictional topics have stayed clear of speculation and kept a fine factual account, even if it's mostly in-universe. Sure, not all of them are up to that standard, but a lot of the FF project of 6 months ago seemed pretty good on that count, for example. Wikia seems closer to the horrible fanboy swamps. So I can't help but feel that this is a "ninth best" option or the like. It's better than nothing, but I'd normally much rather see the Wikipedia treatment of the topic (and I suppose this ties into the "where should the notability line be drawn?" issue with fiction).
As for the Xeno wiki in particular... I'm not sure it's a good example for the guideline. It doesn't seem to have caught on at all, with no recent changes in the last 10 days. A lightly trafficked Wiki is vulnerable to uncaught passerby vandalism, or, in some ways even worse, a psychotic major editor who sculpts the place into their own personal shrine. Moreover, it seems that the various articles were de-merged to individual articles. What's the point? I'm a mergist largely because that's a better presentation of information, and the lists that were re-split upon moving to the XS wikia are much worse. A quick check of the Final Fantasy wikia shows some similar splits (like the list of FF9 locations) which are meh. Wikis need a critical mass of contributors to work right; perhaps the Xeno wiki should be disbanded with the content moved to a general gaming wiki? I know there are several, but ideally just one should be picked across Wikipedia to be favored, with the goal of having it actually be decent. SnowFire 00:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I have two minor ideas regarding the proposal: Do you think it'd possible to establish when article spinout are justified and when not? I'm asking with special regard to "XYZ in fiction"-type articles as spinouts of non-fiction subjects. Obviously, some are very well justified and are fully developed, like e.g. Earth in fiction, but many are not (edit: and I'm afraid most feature only primary sources, which may be yet another issue to mention).
The second idea concerns specialised wikis like, first and foremost, Wookiepedia. Is there any way to establish a rule of thumb as to when an article is more suitable there? It may e.g. help reduce the impact of ILIKEIT votes in AfDs if a guideline (preferably this one) offered some general advice on the issue.
Well, just my 2 cents. Best regards, — AldeBaer ( c) 17:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, what's next? Post it to WikiEN-l? — AldeBaer ( c) 18:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at my second round draft. — AldeBaer ( c) 14:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for all that you have done! Your unspent heart a message sends For your warm words any time I need them Love, |
Saw your note on Sharon's page, hope you're not feeling too stressed out. We need you around here... the sane version of you! :) Take care. Riana (talk) 22:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Tyler, baby, I see you're going through a rough moment yourself, and tho I haven't read the mailing list lately, I can figure it out from your explanation. I just read your guideline, and it strikes me as an excellent proposal; with your permission, I'll gladly chime in at the discussion. But please, know that many, many of us who value your excellent and hard work stand by your side; you're not, in any way, facing this alone. I know I speak for many people when I say you're one of the greatest assets our community can boast of counting on today, and no amount of silly discussion will make us change our mind. Please, if you feel like venting it all out, my emaila ddy is just a click away from here, and I promise my shoulder is just waiting for you to lean on, and my ears are ready to hear your worries and your concerns. We love you, Tyler! Phaedriel - 23:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Can it wait a few days? RL work frenzy. Tony 01:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Noting the warmth is giving you stress - I'd be happy to actually get some, you know, sunshine in Summer. To use the vernacular, over here, it's fucking pissing it down. Seriously, half of Yorkshire (where I live) is flooded. Will ( talk) 01:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I am planning to submit the telecommunication article for featured article status in a few day's time. I welcome any thoughts you have on the article before I do this.
Thanks, Cedars 00:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)