Hi Bodrad! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. |
... for removing the shameless self-promotion in the Michael Lang and Artie Kornfeld articles. It's amazing this content lasted as long as it did. Cheers. -- Seduisant ( talk) 16:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello Bodrad, and welcome to Wikipedia. Your addition to Abbey Rader has had to be removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from your sources to avoid copyright or plagiarism issues here.
It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Gyrofrog (talk) 16:43, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
The text in question appears to have been copied from http://zildjian.com/Artists/R/Abbey-Rader and http://www.abbeyrader.com/Music/bio.htm. Additionally, the text (as written) wouldn't comply with WP:NPOV ("pioneering," "relentless searcher" etc.). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:46, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
Below is a copy of a message I just sent you - reproduced here to provide additional review/response options.
Thank you kindly for the very quick review and response to my draft submission. I think I understand your concerns and the changes required. I have attempted to address each of your suggestions, and also have a clarifying question. Again, I appreciate your assistance with this process and I hope that these changes are along the lines of what is necessary to publish this article.
You stated that I need to "improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable...". I am a bit unclear as to the best way to address this concern. Shall I include more references and citations? Or do I simply need to place the ones I already have more frequently throughout the article's sentences rather than at the end of paragraphs as I have done?
It seems to me the biggest issue with the article in its current form (and I do plan to flesh out the other sections more fully in the next weeks), is its notability. I have reviewed the Golden Rule and musician notability guidelines that you were very helpful in passing along.
Significant Coverage I've included over 15 unrelated and independent references from sources including newspapers, magazine articles, well-known music corporations (e.g., ProMark and Zildjian), other musicians' websites, and online music stores. Nearly all of these discuss the topic directly and in detail. I understand these may not be enough, and I actually have other print sources that I have not yet had a chance to include as I was saving them for additions to the topic. I've listed these below to hopefully bolster the significant coverage requirement:
Reliable Sources As mentioned on the Golden Rule page, these sources are newspapers, periodicals, and media stations, which fall under example categories of reliable sources. Please let me know if those listed above and those referenced in the current article are not up to standards.
Independent Sources All of the articles referenced and those listed above were generated by independent authors or interviewers. None were paid advertisements or otherwise arranged by the topic.
Verifiability I am a bit confused by the statement listed: "Non-independent reliable sources can be used for verifiability". Either way, I hope the sources I've already used and those listed above are considered verifiable. The answer to my question above will help me understand more clearly how often sources should be included/referenced.
It is my contention that the listing above and those already referenced fall under this category.
The interviews and articles listed above cover this topic regarding several major festivals Abbey performed at in Europe
Two of Abbey's albums were released by Cadence Jazz Records, which contains notable musicians and is a leading label for independent jazz music.
Abbey played for John Handy and Mal Waldron in several ensembles during the 70s and 80s, both independently highly notable jazz musicians.
Abbey Rader is the one of the only, perhaps the only, musician playing this style of music in South Florida. There are several newspaper articles and online mentions of his work in Miami that allude to this, many of which I have already referenced. However, I have found another: http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/crossfade/2011/08/abbey_rader_john_mcminn_pax_miami_august_24_2011.php
The existing submission may be deleted at any time. Copyrighted work cannot be allowed to remain on Wikipedia.
Thanks for message. I've looked again at the alleged copyright infringement, and I'm clear that some of your text (excluding attributed quotes) is too close to that source. A close paraphrase is still an infringement. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient. The published source is not explicitly public domain.
There are other issues too. Some of the text is unreferenced, and while Rader may be an acceptable source for the facts of his life, that isn't the case with his opinions as expressed in interviews. There are other examples where opinions, either unsourced or sourced only to him, are presented as unqualified facts. A few examples: Rader's musical journey changed to one of spirituality and improvisation... transformed Rader's music into a search for the union between mind, spirit, and body... to play powerfully by truly opening up... put life's tribulations in perspective and encouraged him to play freely, to transform the energy he might be feeling by channeling it into his drumming... — it reads like sleeve notes rather than an encyclopaedia.
Also take note of Tokyogirl's response
Although I have some misgivings, I'll restore the text here shortly. Please remove contentious text as soon as possible, or it might be deleted again. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:20, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.
Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!
Darylgolden( talk) 06:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)Hi Bodrad! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. |
... for removing the shameless self-promotion in the Michael Lang and Artie Kornfeld articles. It's amazing this content lasted as long as it did. Cheers. -- Seduisant ( talk) 16:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello Bodrad, and welcome to Wikipedia. Your addition to Abbey Rader has had to be removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from your sources to avoid copyright or plagiarism issues here.
It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Gyrofrog (talk) 16:43, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
The text in question appears to have been copied from http://zildjian.com/Artists/R/Abbey-Rader and http://www.abbeyrader.com/Music/bio.htm. Additionally, the text (as written) wouldn't comply with WP:NPOV ("pioneering," "relentless searcher" etc.). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:46, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
Below is a copy of a message I just sent you - reproduced here to provide additional review/response options.
Thank you kindly for the very quick review and response to my draft submission. I think I understand your concerns and the changes required. I have attempted to address each of your suggestions, and also have a clarifying question. Again, I appreciate your assistance with this process and I hope that these changes are along the lines of what is necessary to publish this article.
You stated that I need to "improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable...". I am a bit unclear as to the best way to address this concern. Shall I include more references and citations? Or do I simply need to place the ones I already have more frequently throughout the article's sentences rather than at the end of paragraphs as I have done?
It seems to me the biggest issue with the article in its current form (and I do plan to flesh out the other sections more fully in the next weeks), is its notability. I have reviewed the Golden Rule and musician notability guidelines that you were very helpful in passing along.
Significant Coverage I've included over 15 unrelated and independent references from sources including newspapers, magazine articles, well-known music corporations (e.g., ProMark and Zildjian), other musicians' websites, and online music stores. Nearly all of these discuss the topic directly and in detail. I understand these may not be enough, and I actually have other print sources that I have not yet had a chance to include as I was saving them for additions to the topic. I've listed these below to hopefully bolster the significant coverage requirement:
Reliable Sources As mentioned on the Golden Rule page, these sources are newspapers, periodicals, and media stations, which fall under example categories of reliable sources. Please let me know if those listed above and those referenced in the current article are not up to standards.
Independent Sources All of the articles referenced and those listed above were generated by independent authors or interviewers. None were paid advertisements or otherwise arranged by the topic.
Verifiability I am a bit confused by the statement listed: "Non-independent reliable sources can be used for verifiability". Either way, I hope the sources I've already used and those listed above are considered verifiable. The answer to my question above will help me understand more clearly how often sources should be included/referenced.
It is my contention that the listing above and those already referenced fall under this category.
The interviews and articles listed above cover this topic regarding several major festivals Abbey performed at in Europe
Two of Abbey's albums were released by Cadence Jazz Records, which contains notable musicians and is a leading label for independent jazz music.
Abbey played for John Handy and Mal Waldron in several ensembles during the 70s and 80s, both independently highly notable jazz musicians.
Abbey Rader is the one of the only, perhaps the only, musician playing this style of music in South Florida. There are several newspaper articles and online mentions of his work in Miami that allude to this, many of which I have already referenced. However, I have found another: http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/crossfade/2011/08/abbey_rader_john_mcminn_pax_miami_august_24_2011.php
The existing submission may be deleted at any time. Copyrighted work cannot be allowed to remain on Wikipedia.
Thanks for message. I've looked again at the alleged copyright infringement, and I'm clear that some of your text (excluding attributed quotes) is too close to that source. A close paraphrase is still an infringement. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient. The published source is not explicitly public domain.
There are other issues too. Some of the text is unreferenced, and while Rader may be an acceptable source for the facts of his life, that isn't the case with his opinions as expressed in interviews. There are other examples where opinions, either unsourced or sourced only to him, are presented as unqualified facts. A few examples: Rader's musical journey changed to one of spirituality and improvisation... transformed Rader's music into a search for the union between mind, spirit, and body... to play powerfully by truly opening up... put life's tribulations in perspective and encouraged him to play freely, to transform the energy he might be feeling by channeling it into his drumming... — it reads like sleeve notes rather than an encyclopaedia.
Also take note of Tokyogirl's response
Although I have some misgivings, I'll restore the text here shortly. Please remove contentious text as soon as possible, or it might be deleted again. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:20, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.
Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!
Darylgolden( talk) 06:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)