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Hi, Anynobody. In regards to my inquiry about Sylvia Browne's about solving "case after case", a recent exposé on Browne done on Anderson Cooper 360 mentions a few that were sent to the show from Browne's own office. Even her official 'hits' are questionable, one can completely be dismissed. I'd appreciate your input and how best to add this new information to Browne's article.
and part two
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I put a well deserved barnstar on your userpage. Let me know if you'd prefer to leave your userpage blank and I'll cut and paste it here :) -- Ubiq 01:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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I saw an earlier message from you recently regarding the controversial action taken by C.V. in regards to B.S. You mentioned that this was at the request of B.S.'s mother, which would be good information to add to the articles. Where did you find this? -- Antaeus Feldspar 20:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your edit here [1]. I commend you for keeping cool headed. Orsini 03:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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Honestly, I didn't even know that Wikidudeman had responded to me on his talk page. My apologies. Thanks for the heads up. -- Woohookitty Woohoo! 09:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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Yeah, I have a nasty habit of taking stuff out on random people during times of frustration, which is actually why I didn't make admin. I'm glad to see that I haven't offended you, and just know that I wasn't actually referring to you specifically. It was more of a general statement to anyone who would read it. Peace, 声 援 -- The Hyb rid 21:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey! I'm glad you wrote me. This guy is exactly the kind of person I do not like. I don't know where to begin describing everything that is wrong with him. I can see it in the replies to you as well. L.Ron's military career, if it is fabricated, is obviously worth discussing. I don't know why it would be fabricated, it wouldn't change my opinion of him or anythiing, so many times things aren't what they seem, but it's still worth looking into. It isn't 'he said, she said', it can be figured out what the truth is. And he says anything else is PR. This is what bugs me about justanother, he says things like they are fact. NO, it isn't just PR. It could be that he lied, it could be that there was a mistake, etc. That isn't PR.
Ok, now I'm reading the posts on yourpage. This is so hard to understand. You're not supposed to talk about Scientology with him, he says? "Is that clear"? See,he speaks to people with an air of superiority, like he is the voice of reason, of authority."And I have no doubt that you consider yourself the soul of equanimity and justice." COMPLETE PROJECTION.
Whoa, I'm on the Barbara Schwarz page, he did this with me to. I don't understand those people who feel the need to inform you of obvious thigns you would never do like you need them to inform you otherwise you would do it. He did that to me at first when we were friendly regarding editing Scientology pages (telling me not to do this or that, which I would never have done).
I think the good thing is that this is just the internet. If it were real life, we would be able to tell in a second what was up with this guy and we wouldn't apply him the same weight that we apply other people. I sometimes forget that when I use the net because you're not getting the feel of the person saying the weird thing. It used to bug me some of the things that critics of Scientology used to say, and then I saw photos and video of them, and it made sense. You could tell they weren't really there, so I wasn't upset anymore. I'd love to see what this guy looks like. I'd probably end up feeling sorry for him and have compassion and overlook all the incredibly rude traits he has.
I don't know how to explain how things got bad between us. It's just his personality, who he is, and I disagree iwth it, find it incredibly rude and invalidating to other people, and just let him know.
You're on the Scientology's 'enemies' list? What happened? You defintely didn't imply anythiing negative about Scientology, it's all good. People I know make jokes about Scientology and it's totally fine. I know what I don't like and don't agree it and I'm not sensing any of that from you. Another thing about Anynobdoy, is he DOES seem like everything is pro-Scientology, no matter what, and I've noticed that with some Scientologists, but that's not me, and that's wrong. I dislike a lot of Scientologists I've met because I can tell the kind of people they are and the kinds of things that they would do or think, and I'm just not okay with that. Scientology isn't some group that you join and become this ideal Scientologist and just turn into that. It's like when I go to the gym. I don't adapt the feeling and personality of the gym and the people in the gym. I go there to work my body, to use it as a tool. I do the same thing with Scientology. I really hate when people do that because what starts happening is they start feeling like they're better than others because they "act" more like an ideal Scientologist than people who aren't doing that, and all sorts of other things, which I think our friend here might've done. :)
That was long and rambling, but I've been up all night with little sleep ! Write me back. Johnpedia 14:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm like that too, it's easier to write out and focus on what I'm saying when I'm relaxed at home on my computer than if I were trying to talk about it with a stranger. I'm happy you seem like a humane,normal person. Talking to JustAnother, it's not even like talking to a person, which is creepy. I'm sorry he's the first Scientologist you met, I hope you don't let that reflect Scientology. The loudest, weirdest people are always the ones who get the most attention while the real ones, the ones that matter, are the ones who are content and more private, I find at least. Johnpedia 12:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Are you saying that I need to apologize? If so, for what? Also, instead of attempting to psychoanalyze me, you may want to continue to engage in the debate. (I've clarified my objection to the whole Colbert\O'Reilly thing). Considering that I have been an editor for almost three years, and have 5 times as many edits as you have, I find your position on me odd to say the least. I think that as I have more experience here than you do, that I have a decent idea of how Jimbo Wales wishes this project to proceed. Granted sometimes I misread things and get them wrong (and I admit that maybe I am reading BLP too narrowly with this particular edit). That makes me human. However, regardless of whether you agree with what I write, you should still show me the respect of asking me to clarify my positions, challenging my assertions, before making ad hominem analysis. This applies whether I am six or sixty or whether you think I am too sensitive or too borish. We've had indirect discussions over at Ann Coulter, and I respected your ability to state your position without resorting to the kind of name-calling that Info can't seem to avoid. Don't allow editors like that to drag you into the Wiki-abyss. ;). Good luck. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 17:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I haven't seen any posts worth mentioning because doing so would make more of an issue out of this than there needs to be. If I had to rate your behavior on a template scale like Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace it'd be a level 0.5 at most based on my general impression of you from the pages we've edited. I promise you if your behavior caused me any real concern I'd have said something to you directly. The point is that while I think you could offend a sensitive editor, it's not a problem worth mentioning unless/until you are actually offending someone. Please understand that if I were to ever come to you with such a concern I'd give you proof. Anynobody 01:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
First, I'm a he ;), and secondly I thought that we were in agreement that the quote was appropriate to the article. I disagreed with Info999's interpretation of Ramsquire's actions, but as far as the content went I agreed with you and Info999 after realizing that I was incorrect about the Colbert quote. In truth, the only reason I said anything to Info999 about it, is because he/she is inexperienced as a Wikipedian, and therefore hasn’t learned how Wikipedia policy addresses that kind of thing in too much detail. The reason that I commented on him/her telling me that I was wrong after I had figured it out is because he/she has yet to meet a true Wikipedia egomaniac. Comments like that, when made to someone who doesn't have a personality that can take it, usually end up with someone holding a grudge, which causes people to become uncomfortable being around them when they are together, and just disturbs the atmosphere of that area of Wikipedia overall. I was just trying to give some helpful advice, which Info999 doesn't seem to have taken well. -- The Hyb rid 02:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to give the impression that I don't care about this, but at the moment I've got some other stuff going on so I can't give it the attention I want. Just to be clear, none of my comments have had anything to do with the BOR article directly. I've been addressing perceived feelings of offense and general user conduct. I guess my basic point is we all have the same intention, not trying to offend each other. Anynobody 03:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, and this is what happens far too often. A couple people inadvertently offend a couple others, and then the air is polluted and things don't get solved because everyone is biting their tongues and trying to work out the personal problems the situation created. Now all we need is one of the egomaniacs that I was talking about to get involved because he(usually) had his pride injured, and we would have the typical situation. Anyway, take your time Anynobody. Cheers, -- The Hyb rid 03:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more about the feelings of people getting in the way of resolving issues. It gets frustrating when offense is taken over statements that were not meant to be offensive, because the explanation can make things worse and distract even more from the original reason the statement was made. Please understand, I'm not implying anything negative about people bringing up concerns of being offended because it is a valid concern. I just wish I could figure out a way to resolve concerns better because I managed to inadvertently offended Ramsquire by wording my comments poorly. (Honestly Ramsquire I meant nothing negative, but I could have worded the statement better so I understand your concerns.) Anynobody 01:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Shall we just drop the entire issue, and not hold any of this against anyone else in the future? I believe that all of us are more than capable of simply putting this behind us, so are we in agreement that this would be the best course of action? -- The Hyb rid 02:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Same here. Anynobody 03:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC) Ramsquire I do want to make sure there are no hard feelings on your part. Please understand that my comments to Info999 do not reflect a deep concern or disagreement with your editing style. From the brief encounters I've had with you, it seemed like maybe Info999 had a point. Since I don't know enough about either you or The Hyb rid to be sure I pointed out a good trait I've observed about The Hyb rid. Being able to offer an apology is a good thing, we all make mistakes. People who are unwilling to admit mistakes are just making yet another mistake. (I apologize when I screw up, I can provide at least one diff where I have on an unrelated subject). I'm sorry I didn't include a positive observation about you, in retrospect it would have saved us a lot of confusion I think. Anynobody 04:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
To the above- Brrr. To you, thanks for your thanks, it's nice to meet someone as well brought up as I lol:) Merkinsmum 03:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I am especially glad to see that I wasn't the only one to notice he may be causing more harm than good to the CoS with his methods, the irony is almost poetic. He seriously doesn't realize that his type of behavior is part of the reason general opinion about Scientology can be negative. He is the first Scientologist I've ever encountered, so I thought the general negative perception might actually be true for a little while. I've since met another Scientologist and discovered they don't all perpetuate the stereotype. Anynobody 07:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Aww, do you mean me? It's people like Justanother that made me hesitant of Scientology at first, so it's a little bit of a soft spot for me. It's my religion and I hate people like him spoiling the image of it. Johnpedia 12:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I want to thank you for your kind invitation to join the WP:SCN project, I'm flattered and will give it some serious thought:) The only other topic I planned on editing which relates to Scientology at all is the Naval career of Lt. L Ron Hubbard. It looks like both sides are wrong about various aspects of it, proving it on here without using OR is going to be a challenge. I'm not really comfortable talking about specific spiritual aspects of any "religion" for several reasons so I'm not sure how much help I would be. I'm happy to share those reasons with you if you would like, but for the sake of brevity I'll give you the simplest reason: I'm agnostic and believe there is a very real chance that all religions are wrong. Since I don't know for sure, I try not to spend too much time talking about any one religion in order to stay neutral. I firmly believe Barbara Schwarz belongs on Wikipedia, she is literally a living monument to the good faith of US FOIA laws. She is also proof that "forced deprogramming" doesn't work very well.
I do have a question though, why aren't there articles (or an article) about Jeremy and Elli Perkins? The fourth anniversary of Elli's murder at her son's hands is coming up on 3/13. Though I try to stay neutral, this murder concerned me because Jeremy had serious issues that were not being helped by Scientology. He could have just as easily killed a person not involved with Scientology. It occurred to me that the CoS could be putting innocent people in danger by improperly treating mentally ill people, thus prompting the question "how far should freedom of religion go?". I'm not saying that question only applies to Scientology. I've often thought the same thing about beliefs like Christian Scientists who don't get basic medical attention for members with illnesses for example. Anynobody 21:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this: It wasn't listed on, or if it was I missed it, but I've already begun my "quest for truth" about Lt. Hubbard on Talk:USS PC-815. Anynobody 22:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm fine with my apology to Justanother. I said something funny that was offensive to him. I said I'm sorry, that's the kind of person I am. I don't care at all if he takes me serious or accepts my apology or not.
I've dealt with Scientologists and OSA for years now. There's a lot of people that believe he is being paid by them. His removal of anything critical of Scientology and fighting to the death on these items, makes me believe this too. Normal Scientologists are not even half as radical as he is.
It seems to me that anybody with a brain would see right away his intentions here and ban him from Wikipedia. I am not Wikipedia and new to all of this.
I hope someone that is more familiar with how Wikipedia works and it's politics will step up and get Justanother banned permanently.
If I can help in anyway, please let me know. Paulhorner 03:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Archive Positive Feedback 1 Feb 2007 - March 2007
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Accusing BabyDweezil of editing in bad faith; see this diff. -- Justanother 16:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Justanother has
BabyDweezil said anything to you about being offended? He/she didn't seem to take offense, and if you look at the comment I was responding to you'll see that it appeared as though
BabyDweezil was trying to bait someone. Since it appeared as though
BabyDweezil was mocking my analogy, I thought that perhaps he/she was baiting me. I'd be happy to explain to
BabyDweezil that no offense was intended in observing the futility of trying to bait me. I must say
BabyDweezil doesn't seem shy about defending his/herself so I'm a bit surprised that
BabyDweezil wouldn't tell me directly.
It makes me wonder if this is more about the question I posed on your talk page or the observation I made on Farenheit451's talk page? If so I honestly don't mean to offend you and am actually trying to offer constructive feedback regarding my perception of you. You appear to be trying to stop the spread the negative impression people get about Scientologists in leading by example. I seriously think that your behavior can arguably be tied to the observations about OSA tactics. I don't know if you are doing it on purpose, but in case it's accidental I thought it would be something you'd want to know about. Outsiders see that as one of the problems with the CoS and are more likely to believe other negative "PR" about the CoS if you reinforce some of their perceptions.
To sum up; if BabyDweezil has been offended he/she is more than welcome to ask for a clarification that I meant no offense. If your feelings are hurt, lets discuss that because as I said I'm trying to point out that you are perhaps, perpetuating a stereotype about Scientologists that you may not be intending to. Anynobody 22:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, anynobody. All due respect but you are being just a bit too "touchy-feely" throughout your postings on my page, IMHO. Let me make myself plain. If you bring my religion into the conversation when disagreeing with any aspect of my behavior, I am likely to get offended. So if your intention is to offend me then go right ahead. And the only other editors that I have likely "offended" are those that edit offensively; continually reverting valid edits to forward their uninformed POV while continually inserting and reinserting highly POV, non-RS crap in the articles despite my removals that are then upheld by third party neutral opinion. That is not you. You seem to be a special case that is going out of his way to offend me personally by making a big deal out of some WP that we don't see exactly eye-to-eye on and somehow relating that to my fucking religion. You are being offensive. You need to take my religion out of your conversations with me. Until you can manage that you are not welcome to post here there. Is that clear? --
Justanother 12:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I can appreciate how it may look like I'm trying to degrade or demean your religion. I honestly am not, nor am I intentionally trying to offend you. The fact is that I believe you are in a conflict of interest regarding this article (Barbara Schwarz), that is similar to the situation that Steve Dufor has there. He wants to delete the article because Ms. Schwarz is his friend, you appear to want it gone because of it's possible negative implications to your religion (Scientology).
Sincerely, I am not trying to offend you. Since you have become offended, and I really feel that you are trying to edit against the guideline of WP:COI and the policy of WP:CONSENSUS, I'd like to set this up as a RfC. I honestly did not want to offend you while trying to explain my concerns to you, about a variety of things. You haven't actually addressed directly many of the concerns I've tried to discuss with you. I believe this can benefit both of us by giving an outside opinion, and I regret that I haven't mentioned the idea of going to a third party sooner. How would you feel about this? Anynobody 21:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Anynobody and Justanother I already posted this on your page, but thought to include it here in the interest of making access easier. Anynobody 01:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up :) Anynobody 02:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I think so too, the RfC looks much better than my initial version. I really appreciate your waiting for my go-ahead, that's very thoughtful. It's exactly what i would have done if our roles were reversed. :) Anynobody 02:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to bed. Please review the rules and leave my response section for me and others that agree with me.
This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary (meaning your summary, Anynobody, not mine) is biased or incomplete. Users signing other sections ("Statement of the dispute" and "Outside Views") should not edit the "Response" section. (That means you and Smee stay out of there.)
Thanks -- Justanother 06:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I will be taking the weekend off from wikipedia though I may keep an eye on the RfC. If you want to talk about what I mentioned then it will have to wait until I am fully returned and I remove the wikibreak template. Enjoy your weekend. -- Justanother 23:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Anynobody, as said on my Talk page, I will make some comments on the points you have raised there.
Okay, I imagine some of this is not what you may wish to hear, but I ask you to please consider points (1) and (2) carefully before acting. Kind regards, Orsini 22:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I certainly appreciate your taking the time to explain your feelings so clearly, while it is not what I was hoping to hear I can and will accept it. Thanks Orsini Anynobody 23:11, 11 March == Purple Barnheart ==
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I, Smee, award this barnstar to Anynobody for enduring personal attacks for being a good editor. Thank you. Smee 09:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC). |
The timing was amazing on this, and I think you'll find it funny. I was just thinking how if I didn't know JA was being affected by his POV him constantly misrepresenting me might offend me. As it is, I think he isn't doing it intentionally. In fact I doubt he reads any of my posts from start to finish, out of anger, and that's where he comes up with his less than accurate description of my efforts. However, you had no way of knowing for sure that I wasn't hurt and I'm sure some soldiers got the Purple Heart for painless wounds so I'll accept it of course. Anynobody 09:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. (I apologize for not having to reply sooner, as I've been having troubles with my computer)-- TBCΦ talk? 02:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I have put it on your user page, forgive me if I did it wrong and feel free to move it, I'm new to doing them. Merkinsmum 21:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I can well understand the fear of misrepresentation to "gain advantage" in an argument. I guess I really didn't state the central thing that bothers me on the whole.
The statements Tilman made that I referenced, though they may have had much background behind them, were quite easily read by me as 'wrong'. The background may explain much, but has not been explained . . . In talk pages, I kept seeing mentions of people suggesting WP:DR-type actions, but that those suggestions keep getting dismissed? (I may be mistaken) I'm not saying there aren't problems. But if the problems are not submitted, documented to the community, how are outside observers to know, or judge?
When the point is reached that one or more editors truly feel that the behavior of other editors is injurious to Wikipedia, isn't that the point to those concerns to the community? Otherwise the comments, like those I objected to, just look like part of a series of tit-for-tat personal attacks. I seems to me that resolution will take outside participation. Shouldn't you organize a community pow-wow, perhaps in the form of an RfC? That way, maybe, the peace pipe can come out. Shenme 06:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
No problem on a long response time, I get the impression you spend more time deciding what to type than typing (which is not meant to be critical in any way since that is usually what holds up my response time too). I really want to point out that the RfC was not about who's info was correct so much as how the discussion about it proceeded. What I found, un-Wiki, was Justanother's refusal to allow a conclusion. For example, he and I would be discussing how we each perceive WP:BLP to apply on Talk:Barbara_Schwarz#RFC_on_.22Biographical_information.22 and then he would just stop responding under that section as he did on 2/24. He would then resume arguing under a different section on the talk page, I can live with being wrong but i'd like to know who's perception was correct (or if we were both wrong). I'm not asking you to read each and every comment, I've lived it and I find it so boring I don't want to reread it unless I have to. If you follow Justanother and just skim the responses I think the reason for an RfC will become much clearer to you. It may sound odd, but I am thriving on both the overt and passive hostility he shows because I don't feel any myself toward him. It helps me gauge my POV, if he started to anger me I'd step back. At that point I wouldn't be able to tell who is more "neutral" and continuing would be engaging in a flame war. Please understand, I have spent a GREAT amount of time trying to figure out a way to tell him he MAY be operating under a biased POV in this case in the most respectful way I can imagine. Anynobody 09:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
As for my disagreement with Bishonen, I figured it would be quicker to put the RfC up and see if it's approved rather than debate our differing definitions of conflict resolution. Arguing about a difference of opinion over different perceptions of a third party's behavior is nigh pointless because there is no tangible right or wrong answer without another opinion. If I was wrong, I understood the RfC would be rejected (easy come, easy go). The RfC was accepted by the editor/admin who approved it though, and Bishonen asked another non involved admin to delete it. None would, so she did it herself. At first it seemed like collusion, however I have come to change my opinion to the ego explanation. I understand exactly what you mean by pointing out things are even worse than they appear. Anynobody 09:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm all for it, however given what happened last time I was hoping Shenme would go in with us. He/She seems to share my opinion that a RfC is a good thing AND is on good terms with Justanother. I feel like my neutrality has been compromised in that people might think I'm on a vendetta. If a truly neutral party wants this too though, it just makes AGF on our part easier I think. (Make no mistake though, if he/she doesn't want to then we can go it alone together as it were. I feel comfortable with my ability to explain that we've both tried numerous times to come to an understanding with Justanother. What would you think of involving Smee, Tilman, and the others too? I still think Smee tried to resolve the conflict regardless of what happened to the previous RfC.) Anynobody 07:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and that pain in the arse I call a conscience tells me we should wait for his block to expire. I don't want this to look like a power play. Anynobody 08:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I concur, — Æ. was my second choice on a neutral third.
I couldn't agree with your assertions any more, I think we are definitely of the same opinion. Treating this as a civil chat, rather than the grudge match Justanother is trying to portray our motivation as. His manipulation or rather his "gaming" the rules would be brilliant...if every typed word wasn't recorded on several computers. I've seen people like him use the technique in incredible ways when the only record was people and their memories.
A bit more food for thought. When I first contemplated scenarios inaction could lead to before the 1st RfC, this was exactly the worst case scenario I pictured. (Best case was Justanother becoming reasonable, I tend to plan for the worst but hope for the best). This is NOT an I-told-you-so, please understand I just want to build credibility for what I'm about to say. If Justanother does not respond to formal channels, and the worst happens (him being banned), he is likely to show up again and try to mask his personality. I have a feeling he'll be better at it than Barbara Schwarz, and even her crude attempts are irritating. In short, this may never end even if we "win" for lack of a better term. I have no problem with that, it's a fascinating study of human behavior. I just don't want you to feel that this was all a waste of time to create a new, more difficult to spot Barbara Schwarz. Anynobody 11:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure that my failed attempt merits a kudo, but I appreciate your gesture. Thanks.
It appears from the comments above that you have been in dispute with Justanother, and you're obviously not alone. I wandered away from active Wikipedia editing when he was relatively new on the scene. I had very civil interactions with him, and some nice talk page discussions--he seemed clearly the most competent and reasonable pro-Scientology editor I'd seen here, and it has always seemed to me that having some Scientologists on the editorial "team" for the Scientology articles would be all to the good. As the track record of Scientologist editors here is very bad (I don't know whether you were around for the days of AI, Jimmy T or Terryeo, but trust me... editorial incompetance combined with pure counter-productive disruption), I did what I could to make Justanother welcome here and to run interference when editors were too quick to dismiss him because of their predjudice over the bad actions of Terryeo, etc. Tuning in now, I don't really have the time or the inclination to sort through all the disputes, but I would like to get a clearer picture about what's happened--it's obvious that Justanother is projecting furious anger, and a bunch of folks are angry at him. I still have good dealings with him, I think, so I assume he'll fill me in on his POV about what's going on if I ask. I'm curious about your sense of what's happened--would you mind dropping a couple of sentences describing of the way you see the situation on my talk page? (I hope that's not an inflammatory request--if you think it is, please disregard.) Partly, this is just my idle curiosity, but since my first attempt at brokering a peace fell flat, maybe your perspective can help me to identify a better approach. BTfromLA 18:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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The Zen Garden Award for Infinite Patience | For your work in the fourth AfD discussion of the Barbara Schwarz article, I award the Zen Garden Award for Infinite Patience to Anynobody, for showing extraordinary patience in the face of toil and turmoil. Orsini 00:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
Please feel free to add it to your User page, since you have earned this one. Kind regards, Orsini 00:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Orsini it was my pleasure :) Anynobody 03:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, Anynobody. In regards to my inquiry about Sylvia Browne's about solving "case after case", a recent exposé on Browne done on Anderson Cooper 360 mentions a few that were sent to the show from Browne's own office. Even her official 'hits' are questionable, one can completely be dismissed. I'd appreciate your input and how best to add this new information to Browne's article.
and part two
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I put a well deserved barnstar on your userpage. Let me know if you'd prefer to leave your userpage blank and I'll cut and paste it here :) -- Ubiq 01:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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I saw an earlier message from you recently regarding the controversial action taken by C.V. in regards to B.S. You mentioned that this was at the request of B.S.'s mother, which would be good information to add to the articles. Where did you find this? -- Antaeus Feldspar 20:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your edit here [1]. I commend you for keeping cool headed. Orsini 03:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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Honestly, I didn't even know that Wikidudeman had responded to me on his talk page. My apologies. Thanks for the heads up. -- Woohookitty Woohoo! 09:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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Yeah, I have a nasty habit of taking stuff out on random people during times of frustration, which is actually why I didn't make admin. I'm glad to see that I haven't offended you, and just know that I wasn't actually referring to you specifically. It was more of a general statement to anyone who would read it. Peace, 声 援 -- The Hyb rid 21:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey! I'm glad you wrote me. This guy is exactly the kind of person I do not like. I don't know where to begin describing everything that is wrong with him. I can see it in the replies to you as well. L.Ron's military career, if it is fabricated, is obviously worth discussing. I don't know why it would be fabricated, it wouldn't change my opinion of him or anythiing, so many times things aren't what they seem, but it's still worth looking into. It isn't 'he said, she said', it can be figured out what the truth is. And he says anything else is PR. This is what bugs me about justanother, he says things like they are fact. NO, it isn't just PR. It could be that he lied, it could be that there was a mistake, etc. That isn't PR.
Ok, now I'm reading the posts on yourpage. This is so hard to understand. You're not supposed to talk about Scientology with him, he says? "Is that clear"? See,he speaks to people with an air of superiority, like he is the voice of reason, of authority."And I have no doubt that you consider yourself the soul of equanimity and justice." COMPLETE PROJECTION.
Whoa, I'm on the Barbara Schwarz page, he did this with me to. I don't understand those people who feel the need to inform you of obvious thigns you would never do like you need them to inform you otherwise you would do it. He did that to me at first when we were friendly regarding editing Scientology pages (telling me not to do this or that, which I would never have done).
I think the good thing is that this is just the internet. If it were real life, we would be able to tell in a second what was up with this guy and we wouldn't apply him the same weight that we apply other people. I sometimes forget that when I use the net because you're not getting the feel of the person saying the weird thing. It used to bug me some of the things that critics of Scientology used to say, and then I saw photos and video of them, and it made sense. You could tell they weren't really there, so I wasn't upset anymore. I'd love to see what this guy looks like. I'd probably end up feeling sorry for him and have compassion and overlook all the incredibly rude traits he has.
I don't know how to explain how things got bad between us. It's just his personality, who he is, and I disagree iwth it, find it incredibly rude and invalidating to other people, and just let him know.
You're on the Scientology's 'enemies' list? What happened? You defintely didn't imply anythiing negative about Scientology, it's all good. People I know make jokes about Scientology and it's totally fine. I know what I don't like and don't agree it and I'm not sensing any of that from you. Another thing about Anynobdoy, is he DOES seem like everything is pro-Scientology, no matter what, and I've noticed that with some Scientologists, but that's not me, and that's wrong. I dislike a lot of Scientologists I've met because I can tell the kind of people they are and the kinds of things that they would do or think, and I'm just not okay with that. Scientology isn't some group that you join and become this ideal Scientologist and just turn into that. It's like when I go to the gym. I don't adapt the feeling and personality of the gym and the people in the gym. I go there to work my body, to use it as a tool. I do the same thing with Scientology. I really hate when people do that because what starts happening is they start feeling like they're better than others because they "act" more like an ideal Scientologist than people who aren't doing that, and all sorts of other things, which I think our friend here might've done. :)
That was long and rambling, but I've been up all night with little sleep ! Write me back. Johnpedia 14:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm like that too, it's easier to write out and focus on what I'm saying when I'm relaxed at home on my computer than if I were trying to talk about it with a stranger. I'm happy you seem like a humane,normal person. Talking to JustAnother, it's not even like talking to a person, which is creepy. I'm sorry he's the first Scientologist you met, I hope you don't let that reflect Scientology. The loudest, weirdest people are always the ones who get the most attention while the real ones, the ones that matter, are the ones who are content and more private, I find at least. Johnpedia 12:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Are you saying that I need to apologize? If so, for what? Also, instead of attempting to psychoanalyze me, you may want to continue to engage in the debate. (I've clarified my objection to the whole Colbert\O'Reilly thing). Considering that I have been an editor for almost three years, and have 5 times as many edits as you have, I find your position on me odd to say the least. I think that as I have more experience here than you do, that I have a decent idea of how Jimbo Wales wishes this project to proceed. Granted sometimes I misread things and get them wrong (and I admit that maybe I am reading BLP too narrowly with this particular edit). That makes me human. However, regardless of whether you agree with what I write, you should still show me the respect of asking me to clarify my positions, challenging my assertions, before making ad hominem analysis. This applies whether I am six or sixty or whether you think I am too sensitive or too borish. We've had indirect discussions over at Ann Coulter, and I respected your ability to state your position without resorting to the kind of name-calling that Info can't seem to avoid. Don't allow editors like that to drag you into the Wiki-abyss. ;). Good luck. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 17:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I haven't seen any posts worth mentioning because doing so would make more of an issue out of this than there needs to be. If I had to rate your behavior on a template scale like Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace it'd be a level 0.5 at most based on my general impression of you from the pages we've edited. I promise you if your behavior caused me any real concern I'd have said something to you directly. The point is that while I think you could offend a sensitive editor, it's not a problem worth mentioning unless/until you are actually offending someone. Please understand that if I were to ever come to you with such a concern I'd give you proof. Anynobody 01:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
First, I'm a he ;), and secondly I thought that we were in agreement that the quote was appropriate to the article. I disagreed with Info999's interpretation of Ramsquire's actions, but as far as the content went I agreed with you and Info999 after realizing that I was incorrect about the Colbert quote. In truth, the only reason I said anything to Info999 about it, is because he/she is inexperienced as a Wikipedian, and therefore hasn’t learned how Wikipedia policy addresses that kind of thing in too much detail. The reason that I commented on him/her telling me that I was wrong after I had figured it out is because he/she has yet to meet a true Wikipedia egomaniac. Comments like that, when made to someone who doesn't have a personality that can take it, usually end up with someone holding a grudge, which causes people to become uncomfortable being around them when they are together, and just disturbs the atmosphere of that area of Wikipedia overall. I was just trying to give some helpful advice, which Info999 doesn't seem to have taken well. -- The Hyb rid 02:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to give the impression that I don't care about this, but at the moment I've got some other stuff going on so I can't give it the attention I want. Just to be clear, none of my comments have had anything to do with the BOR article directly. I've been addressing perceived feelings of offense and general user conduct. I guess my basic point is we all have the same intention, not trying to offend each other. Anynobody 03:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, and this is what happens far too often. A couple people inadvertently offend a couple others, and then the air is polluted and things don't get solved because everyone is biting their tongues and trying to work out the personal problems the situation created. Now all we need is one of the egomaniacs that I was talking about to get involved because he(usually) had his pride injured, and we would have the typical situation. Anyway, take your time Anynobody. Cheers, -- The Hyb rid 03:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more about the feelings of people getting in the way of resolving issues. It gets frustrating when offense is taken over statements that were not meant to be offensive, because the explanation can make things worse and distract even more from the original reason the statement was made. Please understand, I'm not implying anything negative about people bringing up concerns of being offended because it is a valid concern. I just wish I could figure out a way to resolve concerns better because I managed to inadvertently offended Ramsquire by wording my comments poorly. (Honestly Ramsquire I meant nothing negative, but I could have worded the statement better so I understand your concerns.) Anynobody 01:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Shall we just drop the entire issue, and not hold any of this against anyone else in the future? I believe that all of us are more than capable of simply putting this behind us, so are we in agreement that this would be the best course of action? -- The Hyb rid 02:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Same here. Anynobody 03:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC) Ramsquire I do want to make sure there are no hard feelings on your part. Please understand that my comments to Info999 do not reflect a deep concern or disagreement with your editing style. From the brief encounters I've had with you, it seemed like maybe Info999 had a point. Since I don't know enough about either you or The Hyb rid to be sure I pointed out a good trait I've observed about The Hyb rid. Being able to offer an apology is a good thing, we all make mistakes. People who are unwilling to admit mistakes are just making yet another mistake. (I apologize when I screw up, I can provide at least one diff where I have on an unrelated subject). I'm sorry I didn't include a positive observation about you, in retrospect it would have saved us a lot of confusion I think. Anynobody 04:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
To the above- Brrr. To you, thanks for your thanks, it's nice to meet someone as well brought up as I lol:) Merkinsmum 03:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I am especially glad to see that I wasn't the only one to notice he may be causing more harm than good to the CoS with his methods, the irony is almost poetic. He seriously doesn't realize that his type of behavior is part of the reason general opinion about Scientology can be negative. He is the first Scientologist I've ever encountered, so I thought the general negative perception might actually be true for a little while. I've since met another Scientologist and discovered they don't all perpetuate the stereotype. Anynobody 07:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Aww, do you mean me? It's people like Justanother that made me hesitant of Scientology at first, so it's a little bit of a soft spot for me. It's my religion and I hate people like him spoiling the image of it. Johnpedia 12:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I want to thank you for your kind invitation to join the WP:SCN project, I'm flattered and will give it some serious thought:) The only other topic I planned on editing which relates to Scientology at all is the Naval career of Lt. L Ron Hubbard. It looks like both sides are wrong about various aspects of it, proving it on here without using OR is going to be a challenge. I'm not really comfortable talking about specific spiritual aspects of any "religion" for several reasons so I'm not sure how much help I would be. I'm happy to share those reasons with you if you would like, but for the sake of brevity I'll give you the simplest reason: I'm agnostic and believe there is a very real chance that all religions are wrong. Since I don't know for sure, I try not to spend too much time talking about any one religion in order to stay neutral. I firmly believe Barbara Schwarz belongs on Wikipedia, she is literally a living monument to the good faith of US FOIA laws. She is also proof that "forced deprogramming" doesn't work very well.
I do have a question though, why aren't there articles (or an article) about Jeremy and Elli Perkins? The fourth anniversary of Elli's murder at her son's hands is coming up on 3/13. Though I try to stay neutral, this murder concerned me because Jeremy had serious issues that were not being helped by Scientology. He could have just as easily killed a person not involved with Scientology. It occurred to me that the CoS could be putting innocent people in danger by improperly treating mentally ill people, thus prompting the question "how far should freedom of religion go?". I'm not saying that question only applies to Scientology. I've often thought the same thing about beliefs like Christian Scientists who don't get basic medical attention for members with illnesses for example. Anynobody 21:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this: It wasn't listed on, or if it was I missed it, but I've already begun my "quest for truth" about Lt. Hubbard on Talk:USS PC-815. Anynobody 22:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm fine with my apology to Justanother. I said something funny that was offensive to him. I said I'm sorry, that's the kind of person I am. I don't care at all if he takes me serious or accepts my apology or not.
I've dealt with Scientologists and OSA for years now. There's a lot of people that believe he is being paid by them. His removal of anything critical of Scientology and fighting to the death on these items, makes me believe this too. Normal Scientologists are not even half as radical as he is.
It seems to me that anybody with a brain would see right away his intentions here and ban him from Wikipedia. I am not Wikipedia and new to all of this.
I hope someone that is more familiar with how Wikipedia works and it's politics will step up and get Justanother banned permanently.
If I can help in anyway, please let me know. Paulhorner 03:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Archive Positive Feedback 1 Feb 2007 - March 2007
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Accusing BabyDweezil of editing in bad faith; see this diff. -- Justanother 16:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Justanother has
BabyDweezil said anything to you about being offended? He/she didn't seem to take offense, and if you look at the comment I was responding to you'll see that it appeared as though
BabyDweezil was trying to bait someone. Since it appeared as though
BabyDweezil was mocking my analogy, I thought that perhaps he/she was baiting me. I'd be happy to explain to
BabyDweezil that no offense was intended in observing the futility of trying to bait me. I must say
BabyDweezil doesn't seem shy about defending his/herself so I'm a bit surprised that
BabyDweezil wouldn't tell me directly.
It makes me wonder if this is more about the question I posed on your talk page or the observation I made on Farenheit451's talk page? If so I honestly don't mean to offend you and am actually trying to offer constructive feedback regarding my perception of you. You appear to be trying to stop the spread the negative impression people get about Scientologists in leading by example. I seriously think that your behavior can arguably be tied to the observations about OSA tactics. I don't know if you are doing it on purpose, but in case it's accidental I thought it would be something you'd want to know about. Outsiders see that as one of the problems with the CoS and are more likely to believe other negative "PR" about the CoS if you reinforce some of their perceptions.
To sum up; if BabyDweezil has been offended he/she is more than welcome to ask for a clarification that I meant no offense. If your feelings are hurt, lets discuss that because as I said I'm trying to point out that you are perhaps, perpetuating a stereotype about Scientologists that you may not be intending to. Anynobody 22:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, anynobody. All due respect but you are being just a bit too "touchy-feely" throughout your postings on my page, IMHO. Let me make myself plain. If you bring my religion into the conversation when disagreeing with any aspect of my behavior, I am likely to get offended. So if your intention is to offend me then go right ahead. And the only other editors that I have likely "offended" are those that edit offensively; continually reverting valid edits to forward their uninformed POV while continually inserting and reinserting highly POV, non-RS crap in the articles despite my removals that are then upheld by third party neutral opinion. That is not you. You seem to be a special case that is going out of his way to offend me personally by making a big deal out of some WP that we don't see exactly eye-to-eye on and somehow relating that to my fucking religion. You are being offensive. You need to take my religion out of your conversations with me. Until you can manage that you are not welcome to post here there. Is that clear? --
Justanother 12:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I can appreciate how it may look like I'm trying to degrade or demean your religion. I honestly am not, nor am I intentionally trying to offend you. The fact is that I believe you are in a conflict of interest regarding this article (Barbara Schwarz), that is similar to the situation that Steve Dufor has there. He wants to delete the article because Ms. Schwarz is his friend, you appear to want it gone because of it's possible negative implications to your religion (Scientology).
Sincerely, I am not trying to offend you. Since you have become offended, and I really feel that you are trying to edit against the guideline of WP:COI and the policy of WP:CONSENSUS, I'd like to set this up as a RfC. I honestly did not want to offend you while trying to explain my concerns to you, about a variety of things. You haven't actually addressed directly many of the concerns I've tried to discuss with you. I believe this can benefit both of us by giving an outside opinion, and I regret that I haven't mentioned the idea of going to a third party sooner. How would you feel about this? Anynobody 21:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Anynobody and Justanother I already posted this on your page, but thought to include it here in the interest of making access easier. Anynobody 01:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up :) Anynobody 02:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I think so too, the RfC looks much better than my initial version. I really appreciate your waiting for my go-ahead, that's very thoughtful. It's exactly what i would have done if our roles were reversed. :) Anynobody 02:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to bed. Please review the rules and leave my response section for me and others that agree with me.
This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary (meaning your summary, Anynobody, not mine) is biased or incomplete. Users signing other sections ("Statement of the dispute" and "Outside Views") should not edit the "Response" section. (That means you and Smee stay out of there.)
Thanks -- Justanother 06:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I will be taking the weekend off from wikipedia though I may keep an eye on the RfC. If you want to talk about what I mentioned then it will have to wait until I am fully returned and I remove the wikibreak template. Enjoy your weekend. -- Justanother 23:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Anynobody, as said on my Talk page, I will make some comments on the points you have raised there.
Okay, I imagine some of this is not what you may wish to hear, but I ask you to please consider points (1) and (2) carefully before acting. Kind regards, Orsini 22:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I certainly appreciate your taking the time to explain your feelings so clearly, while it is not what I was hoping to hear I can and will accept it. Thanks Orsini Anynobody 23:11, 11 March == Purple Barnheart ==
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The timing was amazing on this, and I think you'll find it funny. I was just thinking how if I didn't know JA was being affected by his POV him constantly misrepresenting me might offend me. As it is, I think he isn't doing it intentionally. In fact I doubt he reads any of my posts from start to finish, out of anger, and that's where he comes up with his less than accurate description of my efforts. However, you had no way of knowing for sure that I wasn't hurt and I'm sure some soldiers got the Purple Heart for painless wounds so I'll accept it of course. Anynobody 09:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. (I apologize for not having to reply sooner, as I've been having troubles with my computer)-- TBCΦ talk? 02:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I have put it on your user page, forgive me if I did it wrong and feel free to move it, I'm new to doing them. Merkinsmum 21:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I can well understand the fear of misrepresentation to "gain advantage" in an argument. I guess I really didn't state the central thing that bothers me on the whole.
The statements Tilman made that I referenced, though they may have had much background behind them, were quite easily read by me as 'wrong'. The background may explain much, but has not been explained . . . In talk pages, I kept seeing mentions of people suggesting WP:DR-type actions, but that those suggestions keep getting dismissed? (I may be mistaken) I'm not saying there aren't problems. But if the problems are not submitted, documented to the community, how are outside observers to know, or judge?
When the point is reached that one or more editors truly feel that the behavior of other editors is injurious to Wikipedia, isn't that the point to those concerns to the community? Otherwise the comments, like those I objected to, just look like part of a series of tit-for-tat personal attacks. I seems to me that resolution will take outside participation. Shouldn't you organize a community pow-wow, perhaps in the form of an RfC? That way, maybe, the peace pipe can come out. Shenme 06:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
No problem on a long response time, I get the impression you spend more time deciding what to type than typing (which is not meant to be critical in any way since that is usually what holds up my response time too). I really want to point out that the RfC was not about who's info was correct so much as how the discussion about it proceeded. What I found, un-Wiki, was Justanother's refusal to allow a conclusion. For example, he and I would be discussing how we each perceive WP:BLP to apply on Talk:Barbara_Schwarz#RFC_on_.22Biographical_information.22 and then he would just stop responding under that section as he did on 2/24. He would then resume arguing under a different section on the talk page, I can live with being wrong but i'd like to know who's perception was correct (or if we were both wrong). I'm not asking you to read each and every comment, I've lived it and I find it so boring I don't want to reread it unless I have to. If you follow Justanother and just skim the responses I think the reason for an RfC will become much clearer to you. It may sound odd, but I am thriving on both the overt and passive hostility he shows because I don't feel any myself toward him. It helps me gauge my POV, if he started to anger me I'd step back. At that point I wouldn't be able to tell who is more "neutral" and continuing would be engaging in a flame war. Please understand, I have spent a GREAT amount of time trying to figure out a way to tell him he MAY be operating under a biased POV in this case in the most respectful way I can imagine. Anynobody 09:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
As for my disagreement with Bishonen, I figured it would be quicker to put the RfC up and see if it's approved rather than debate our differing definitions of conflict resolution. Arguing about a difference of opinion over different perceptions of a third party's behavior is nigh pointless because there is no tangible right or wrong answer without another opinion. If I was wrong, I understood the RfC would be rejected (easy come, easy go). The RfC was accepted by the editor/admin who approved it though, and Bishonen asked another non involved admin to delete it. None would, so she did it herself. At first it seemed like collusion, however I have come to change my opinion to the ego explanation. I understand exactly what you mean by pointing out things are even worse than they appear. Anynobody 09:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm all for it, however given what happened last time I was hoping Shenme would go in with us. He/She seems to share my opinion that a RfC is a good thing AND is on good terms with Justanother. I feel like my neutrality has been compromised in that people might think I'm on a vendetta. If a truly neutral party wants this too though, it just makes AGF on our part easier I think. (Make no mistake though, if he/she doesn't want to then we can go it alone together as it were. I feel comfortable with my ability to explain that we've both tried numerous times to come to an understanding with Justanother. What would you think of involving Smee, Tilman, and the others too? I still think Smee tried to resolve the conflict regardless of what happened to the previous RfC.) Anynobody 07:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and that pain in the arse I call a conscience tells me we should wait for his block to expire. I don't want this to look like a power play. Anynobody 08:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I concur, — Æ. was my second choice on a neutral third.
I couldn't agree with your assertions any more, I think we are definitely of the same opinion. Treating this as a civil chat, rather than the grudge match Justanother is trying to portray our motivation as. His manipulation or rather his "gaming" the rules would be brilliant...if every typed word wasn't recorded on several computers. I've seen people like him use the technique in incredible ways when the only record was people and their memories.
A bit more food for thought. When I first contemplated scenarios inaction could lead to before the 1st RfC, this was exactly the worst case scenario I pictured. (Best case was Justanother becoming reasonable, I tend to plan for the worst but hope for the best). This is NOT an I-told-you-so, please understand I just want to build credibility for what I'm about to say. If Justanother does not respond to formal channels, and the worst happens (him being banned), he is likely to show up again and try to mask his personality. I have a feeling he'll be better at it than Barbara Schwarz, and even her crude attempts are irritating. In short, this may never end even if we "win" for lack of a better term. I have no problem with that, it's a fascinating study of human behavior. I just don't want you to feel that this was all a waste of time to create a new, more difficult to spot Barbara Schwarz. Anynobody 11:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure that my failed attempt merits a kudo, but I appreciate your gesture. Thanks.
It appears from the comments above that you have been in dispute with Justanother, and you're obviously not alone. I wandered away from active Wikipedia editing when he was relatively new on the scene. I had very civil interactions with him, and some nice talk page discussions--he seemed clearly the most competent and reasonable pro-Scientology editor I'd seen here, and it has always seemed to me that having some Scientologists on the editorial "team" for the Scientology articles would be all to the good. As the track record of Scientologist editors here is very bad (I don't know whether you were around for the days of AI, Jimmy T or Terryeo, but trust me... editorial incompetance combined with pure counter-productive disruption), I did what I could to make Justanother welcome here and to run interference when editors were too quick to dismiss him because of their predjudice over the bad actions of Terryeo, etc. Tuning in now, I don't really have the time or the inclination to sort through all the disputes, but I would like to get a clearer picture about what's happened--it's obvious that Justanother is projecting furious anger, and a bunch of folks are angry at him. I still have good dealings with him, I think, so I assume he'll fill me in on his POV about what's going on if I ask. I'm curious about your sense of what's happened--would you mind dropping a couple of sentences describing of the way you see the situation on my talk page? (I hope that's not an inflammatory request--if you think it is, please disregard.) Partly, this is just my idle curiosity, but since my first attempt at brokering a peace fell flat, maybe your perspective can help me to identify a better approach. BTfromLA 18:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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The Zen Garden Award for Infinite Patience | For your work in the fourth AfD discussion of the Barbara Schwarz article, I award the Zen Garden Award for Infinite Patience to Anynobody, for showing extraordinary patience in the face of toil and turmoil. Orsini 00:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
Please feel free to add it to your User page, since you have earned this one. Kind regards, Orsini 00:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Orsini it was my pleasure :) Anynobody 03:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)