Process: Material is placed and developed here. There may be exercises, things to read, questions posed and answers given, etc. Use the talk page for more ephemeral stuff like process related questions,
Place introductions here please.
My name is Larry Pieniazek. I've been doing things online for well over 20 years now, and am a keen student of communities and how they do things. There's some bio stuff on my talk page... I live in Michigan (in the US) with my wife and 2 kids and I like LEGO. I've been an administrator in other communities in the past. I have been an administrator here at en-wikipedia since mid May 2006. I am also an admin on commons, and I'm standing for Steward on Meta. As it said in my RFA questions especially #1, my focus is on things other than vandal fighting. I've been trying my hand at just about everything that admins do, though. In real life I work for IBM as a system architect (figuring out how software projects and systems can best be organised and carried out). I think Wikipedia is the neatest and most important thing that has been done on the internet yet! (I mostly cribbed this from a previous coaching page... still true) ++ Lar: t/ c 03:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm from Scotland although I'm currently editing from California. I'm still quite a new admin, having been promoted in late August. I'm a regular vandal fighter. I'm not sure where the main focus of my work is these days; it is undergoing change. I do a lot of spelling corrections and the like, and I am currently working on trying to resolve conflict over date linking (see User:Guinnog/date linking). I want to get more involved in policy and the community here. I also need to remind myself to keep writing and improving articles, and not to get stuck just doing the tidying up. I also regularly welcome new editors to the project. I currently have 6803 pages on my watchlist and have made over 25 000 edits. My interests include aviation (especially crashes), trains, Scottish football, punk music and fiction. Like Lar, I am still 100% convinced that Wikipedia is a great project. -- Guinnog 17:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
List of things we should try to achieve: (let's jointly develop this list together but here are a few things to think about, we three will restructure this as needed)
To get you started... Here are a few things to read and think about from Lar (Guinnog may add more)
Out of left field:
Think about some of those and see if any of them color your thinking... You may have read some of them already. You don't necessarily have to read every single one in the entire admin project (although if you want to, you'll be much better informed). What I am interested in is a discussion on what one or two of them meant to you, whether you agree or disagree, and why, and so forth. These can be a springboard for good discussion. ++ Lar: t/ c 03:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Good answers especially that last point! Follow up... as an admin you will sometimes find situations where someone is gaming the system a bit... doing 3 reverts, waiting 24 hours, then doing 3 more, over and over and over. When pushed they will claim they are not breaking the letter of the rule. Do you let it be? Counsel? Block? Why or why not? Discuss. (and I'll tell you what I've done and why it has been controversial and not uniformly well received) ++ Lar: t/ c 09:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
A start at some...
You know.. coaching goes different ways for different people. Some people I want to see if they have the mechanics down. Exercises are good for that. But sometimes, in fact most of the time, I want to peer into the head of the person considering adminship, and decide for myself (or maybe help them decide for themselves)... do they want to do this thing? The exercises maybe check the mechanics, but cannot reveal the heart. So they don't always have a lot of value. I'm starting to conclude here already, based on a gut feeling, that you're going to fly through these exercises with no trouble, and that they aren't necessarily going to tell you or us much you or we don't already know. But let's do one and see... ++ Lar: t/ c 01:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
These are cribbed from exercises used previously, so no fair looking in contribution history to find what the previous answers given were... (grin.. not that you would!) Pick any one you like and follow the instructions. I put them all in so you can choose any of them. Just try one, and if they are not adding value, that would be enough. The point is more to discuss why you feel how you feel about them then to get to the "right answer"... ++ Lar: t/ c 01:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
--- start cribbed part ---
Here are some articles that were really up for deletion. Take a look at them and say if you would have deleted them and why. A word of warning, if you are doing a google search, the 'answers' appear- so be careful if you want to do this properly :) Exercise created by EWS23 for admin coaching purposes. Petros471 20:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, this is a test to make sure you understand the policies of speedy deletion. The following are actual cases that I have come across while clearing out CAT:CSD. Assume that the title of the page is everything following User:EWS23/CSD/. You are allowed to use any technique that you might usually use to assert notability (e.g.- Google), but you are not allowed to use Wikipedia in any way (you cannot see if the page still exists on Wikipedia, go through my deletion log to see if I deleted it, and any Google searches you do should use "Subject -Wikipedia" which is a good tool anyway to help eliminate Wikipedia mirrors).
Assume for this exercise that you are an administrator. View the page, but do not edit it (I plan on using these for multiple coachees). Then, return here and comment below the entry in question. Write whether you would delete the page or not. If you would, cite the specific criteria at WP:CSD that you would use to delete it. If you would not delete it, state why, and state what you would do to the page (simply remove the tag, redirect it somewhere else, keep it but remove certain information from it, etc.). Good luck! EWS23 ( Leave me a message!) 20:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
P.S.- In real cases, you should ALWAYS check the page history before making a decision. Sometimes the page is a legitimate article that got vandalized, or page moved, etc. In this case, the page history won't tell you anything (I'm the only contributor), but remember that in real cases the page history is important. EWS23 ( Leave me a message!) 21:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Process: Material is placed and developed here. There may be exercises, things to read, questions posed and answers given, etc. Use the talk page for more ephemeral stuff like process related questions,
Place introductions here please.
My name is Larry Pieniazek. I've been doing things online for well over 20 years now, and am a keen student of communities and how they do things. There's some bio stuff on my talk page... I live in Michigan (in the US) with my wife and 2 kids and I like LEGO. I've been an administrator in other communities in the past. I have been an administrator here at en-wikipedia since mid May 2006. I am also an admin on commons, and I'm standing for Steward on Meta. As it said in my RFA questions especially #1, my focus is on things other than vandal fighting. I've been trying my hand at just about everything that admins do, though. In real life I work for IBM as a system architect (figuring out how software projects and systems can best be organised and carried out). I think Wikipedia is the neatest and most important thing that has been done on the internet yet! (I mostly cribbed this from a previous coaching page... still true) ++ Lar: t/ c 03:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm from Scotland although I'm currently editing from California. I'm still quite a new admin, having been promoted in late August. I'm a regular vandal fighter. I'm not sure where the main focus of my work is these days; it is undergoing change. I do a lot of spelling corrections and the like, and I am currently working on trying to resolve conflict over date linking (see User:Guinnog/date linking). I want to get more involved in policy and the community here. I also need to remind myself to keep writing and improving articles, and not to get stuck just doing the tidying up. I also regularly welcome new editors to the project. I currently have 6803 pages on my watchlist and have made over 25 000 edits. My interests include aviation (especially crashes), trains, Scottish football, punk music and fiction. Like Lar, I am still 100% convinced that Wikipedia is a great project. -- Guinnog 17:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
List of things we should try to achieve: (let's jointly develop this list together but here are a few things to think about, we three will restructure this as needed)
To get you started... Here are a few things to read and think about from Lar (Guinnog may add more)
Out of left field:
Think about some of those and see if any of them color your thinking... You may have read some of them already. You don't necessarily have to read every single one in the entire admin project (although if you want to, you'll be much better informed). What I am interested in is a discussion on what one or two of them meant to you, whether you agree or disagree, and why, and so forth. These can be a springboard for good discussion. ++ Lar: t/ c 03:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Good answers especially that last point! Follow up... as an admin you will sometimes find situations where someone is gaming the system a bit... doing 3 reverts, waiting 24 hours, then doing 3 more, over and over and over. When pushed they will claim they are not breaking the letter of the rule. Do you let it be? Counsel? Block? Why or why not? Discuss. (and I'll tell you what I've done and why it has been controversial and not uniformly well received) ++ Lar: t/ c 09:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
A start at some...
You know.. coaching goes different ways for different people. Some people I want to see if they have the mechanics down. Exercises are good for that. But sometimes, in fact most of the time, I want to peer into the head of the person considering adminship, and decide for myself (or maybe help them decide for themselves)... do they want to do this thing? The exercises maybe check the mechanics, but cannot reveal the heart. So they don't always have a lot of value. I'm starting to conclude here already, based on a gut feeling, that you're going to fly through these exercises with no trouble, and that they aren't necessarily going to tell you or us much you or we don't already know. But let's do one and see... ++ Lar: t/ c 01:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
These are cribbed from exercises used previously, so no fair looking in contribution history to find what the previous answers given were... (grin.. not that you would!) Pick any one you like and follow the instructions. I put them all in so you can choose any of them. Just try one, and if they are not adding value, that would be enough. The point is more to discuss why you feel how you feel about them then to get to the "right answer"... ++ Lar: t/ c 01:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
--- start cribbed part ---
Here are some articles that were really up for deletion. Take a look at them and say if you would have deleted them and why. A word of warning, if you are doing a google search, the 'answers' appear- so be careful if you want to do this properly :) Exercise created by EWS23 for admin coaching purposes. Petros471 20:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, this is a test to make sure you understand the policies of speedy deletion. The following are actual cases that I have come across while clearing out CAT:CSD. Assume that the title of the page is everything following User:EWS23/CSD/. You are allowed to use any technique that you might usually use to assert notability (e.g.- Google), but you are not allowed to use Wikipedia in any way (you cannot see if the page still exists on Wikipedia, go through my deletion log to see if I deleted it, and any Google searches you do should use "Subject -Wikipedia" which is a good tool anyway to help eliminate Wikipedia mirrors).
Assume for this exercise that you are an administrator. View the page, but do not edit it (I plan on using these for multiple coachees). Then, return here and comment below the entry in question. Write whether you would delete the page or not. If you would, cite the specific criteria at WP:CSD that you would use to delete it. If you would not delete it, state why, and state what you would do to the page (simply remove the tag, redirect it somewhere else, keep it but remove certain information from it, etc.). Good luck! EWS23 ( Leave me a message!) 20:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
P.S.- In real cases, you should ALWAYS check the page history before making a decision. Sometimes the page is a legitimate article that got vandalized, or page moved, etc. In this case, the page history won't tell you anything (I'm the only contributor), but remember that in real cases the page history is important. EWS23 ( Leave me a message!) 21:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)