Service | Station | Platforms | [1] | Details |
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Fixes / Other Notes | ||||
Van Cortlandt Park – 242nd Street | 1
island platform 2 side platforms |
2 | ||
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238th Street | 2 side platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on the northbound platform, then enter 240th Street Yard on west side of line; north of the station | ||||
137th Street – City College | 2 side platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on the northbound platform, relay north of station to center express track, return to service on the southbound platform | ||||
South Ferry | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Wakefield – 241st Street | 1
island platform 2 side platforms |
2 | ||
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Flatbush Avenue – Brooklyn College | 2 side platforms | 2 | ||
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Harlem – 148th Street | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Times Square – 42nd Street | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
Trains terminate on the southbound express track, relay past station to a center track between express tracks, return to service on the northbound express track | ||||
New Lots Avenue | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Woodlawn | 1
island platform 2 side platforms |
2 | ||
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Burnside Avenue | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on center express track, then continue light; north to Concourse or Jerome Yards | ||||
Crown Heights – Utica Avenue | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
Trains terminate at upper level island platform on either track, relay past station to a center track between express and local track, return to service at lower level island platform on either track | ||||
Eastchester – Dyre Avenue | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Nereid Avenue | 2 side platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on the northbound platform, then enter 239th Street Yard; north of the station | ||||
East 180th Street | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on the center track, open doors on both sides | ||||
Bowling Green | 2
island platforms 1 side platform |
3 | ||
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Pelham Bay Park | 1
island platform 2 side platforms |
2 | ||
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Parkchester | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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Third Avenue – 138th Street | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on the center track, open doors on both sides | ||||
Brooklyn Bridge – City Hall | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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Flushing – Main Street | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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111th Street | 2 side platforms | 5 | ||
Trains terminate on northbound local track, then enter Corona Yard | ||||
Times Square | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Times Square | 3 side platforms | 3 | ||
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Grand Central | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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Inwood – 207th Street | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Dyckman Street | 2 side platforms | 4 | ||
Trains terminate on northbound track, then enter 207th Street Yard | ||||
168th Street | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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59th Street – Columbus Circle | 3 island platforms | 4 | ||
<A> trains running light; enter service here in the PM | ||||
Euclid Avenue | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
Trains terminate on southbound local track, relay south of station towards Pitkin Yard, return to service on northbound local track | ||||
Ozone Park–Lefferts Boulevard | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Far Rockaway – Mott Avenue | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Rockaway Park – Beach 116th Street | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Broad Channel | 2 side platforms | 2 | ||
Trains terminate on northbound track, relay north of station to siding east of line, return to service on southbound track | ||||
Bedford Park Boulevard | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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145th Street | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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Brighton Beach | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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Norwood – 205th Street | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
trains terminate on northbound track, relay on tail tracks east of station, return to service on southbound track | ||||
Jamaica Center – Parsons/Archer | 1 island platform | 4 | ||
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Chambers Street
(express) |
2 island platforms | 4 | ||
World Trade Center (local) | ||||
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Jamaica – 179th Street | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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Kings Highway | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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Court Square | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Church Avenue | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
trains terminate on either track of southbound island platform, relay to lower level Church Avenue Yard, return to service on either track of northbound island platform | ||||
Broadway Junction | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
trains terminate on center express track, continue light to East New York Yard | ||||
Chambers Street | 3
island platforms 1 side platform |
4 | ||
trains terminate on southbound express track, relay south of station on lower level, return to service on northbound express track | ||||
Broad Street | 2 side platforms | 2 | ||
trains terminate on southbound track, relay south of station on two center tracks, return to service on northbound track | ||||
Eighth Avenue | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Canarsie – Rockaway Parkway | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Middle Village – Metropolitan Avenue | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Myrtle Avenue | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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Forest Hills – 71st Avenue | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
trains terminate on either track of northbound island platform, relay east of station on lower level toward Jamaica Yard, return to service on either track of southbound island platform | ||||
Astoria – Ditmars Boulevard | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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57th Street – Seventh Avenue | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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Canal Street | 2 side platforms | 4 | ||
trains terminate on southbound track, relay south of station on lower level of City Hall, return to service on northbound track | ||||
36th Street | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
trains terminate on northbound express track, relay north of station, return to service on southbound local track | ||||
Bay Ridge – 95th Street | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Coney Island – Stillwell Avenue | 4 island platforms | 8 | ||
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Franklin Avenue | 1 side platform | 1 | ||
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Prospect Park | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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You might want to add to some of the diagrams; an arrow to one side with the text "Arriving Trains." Another arrow at the other end with the text "Departing Trains." Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
(added image) Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I see the image. I thought about two other cases. If each track has its direction, I can add to them labels such as "boarding" and "alighting" (in addition to the existing "local" and "local"). If the train turns back within the station on a bi-directional track, I can draw something like this: Vcohen ( talk) 20:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Here you are. If you read including the red text, it's with. If you don't, it's without.
Another option is to use arrows like these: and . Vcohen ( talk) 22:31, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
You are right, I have to enlarge the font. The arrow heads have already been enlarged, you'll see it after I re-upload the images with corrections. The labels always belong to tracks and are placed on the continuations of their axes, it shouldn't be a problem. I prefer to use symbols rather than text labels, when possible. However, I'm planning to show the current configuration of services and not the physical tracks. If at a certain point of track all services terminate, I want to show dead-end, even if the track itself continues. I have to choose symbols that will be clear enough. Maybe, something like this?
- bi-directional track, the train enters from the left and departs to the left
- alighting only, the train enters from the left and departs to the right
- boarding only, the train enters from the right and departs to the left Vcohen ( talk) 09:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
P.S. This is a quotation from the future introduction: The current version doesn't take into account:
Vcohen ( talk) 11:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
The track directions are different. Vcohen ( talk) 17:27, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
One of us doesn't understand something. The arrow is the track. The circle is the end of the service. Vcohen ( talk) 17:38, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
An example has been uploaded. The size of the circles will be adjusted so they won't be confused with service designations.
Alternatively, I'm open to discuss other shapes. Vcohen ( talk) 22:25, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I've found an example (on the right) of using a circle to mark a terminal stop of a tram route. It isn't exactly our case, because (1) it's a route and a station, not a track and a point on it; (2) maybe this designation isn't common in the USA or in the world. Vcohen ( talk) 12:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
And now, these are the promised questions. Their number is unexpectedly few: one question only.
Prospect Park (BMT Brighton Line). The article says: "The Franklin Avenue Shuttle terminates on the northbound local track while the southbound one is not normally used in revenue service." Do you say it's wrong? Vcohen ( talk) 18:31, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry, there is no deadline.
I am not looking for service designations, nor am I looking for anything that could be confused with service designations. I want to mark a point on the track. (Also, if they use squares as terminals of circles, what do they use as terminals of diamonds?)
Do you want to fix the Tracks field in the infobox of Prospect Park?
I think I'll add a new item to my "doesn't take into account" list:
Excuse me, what is "can be at a moment's notice"? I thought it meant emergency reroutings or so, not something happening every evening. Vcohen ( talk) 13:28, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
The more I know, the more questions I have. With your help, I know the direction of every track. Now I want to mark terminal tracks. The rule is:
I'm trying to separate these two kinds of tracks, and I see two clear cases:
Beyond these clear cases there are some stations that I am not sure about. Here is the list:
Vcohen ( talk) 12:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Where you say "already answered", my questions are not about what is already answered.
Now I know that the center tracks of Chambers Street are terminal-only, the rest of tracks in my last list are not.
However, I still don't understand the configuration of Times Square. It seems I am the one who does not know to ask. I am talking about the platform between tracks 1 and 3. Usually, if a platform is located between two tracks, it's an island platform and serves both of them. This one isn't and doesn't. What have I to draw along its southern edge? Why doesn't it serve track 1? Vcohen ( talk) 08:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, thank you. The answer is "with a railing installed on the side towards Track 1". I tried to get the answer using the track map, but it seems to have some inaccuracies.
One question more. Not for my work on the station layouts, but only to understand what you say. In the table above there are some cases that you say: "Trains terminate on ... track, continue light to ... yard". Does it mean that they also begin their service from the same yard on the corresponding track? Vcohen ( talk) 15:24, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Excuse me, it isn't what I wanted to ask. Your description in the table sounds like these stations are end of service only, not beginning of service. The question is if they are beginning of service too. Did you omit the way back for brevity, or are these stations indeed end of service only? Vcohen ( talk) 16:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Anyway, if a track is both terminal and through, I don't mark it as terminal. Vcohen ( talk) 17:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
P.S. Sorry, I've missed Crown Heights – Utica Avenue (IRT Eastern Parkway Line). My impression is that the express tracks are terminal-only and the local ones are both terminal and through. Am I right? Vcohen ( talk) 18:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
P.P.S. Are these the kind of squares you spoke about? Vcohen ( talk) 08:32, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
P.P.P.S. One more... At Flushing – Main Street, how are the three tracks distributed between the 7 and <7> trains? Does the <7> terminate on the middle track and the 7 on the two others? Vcohen ( talk) 13:52, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I have uploaded some additional files that were missed before. They are in the new style, like the last sketch here. Later I will re-upload the whole series, but meanwhile we can discuss the style and improve it. Here are some examples:
Vcohen ( talk) 20:37, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
A new question again. I have accidentally discovered that the lower level of the Nostrand Avenue (IND Fulton Street Line) station has walls between the tracks, i.e. despite the usual description "2 side platforms" the level doesn't form a single space with 2 platforms and tracks between them. Before that I knew only two such stations: 14th Street (IND Sixth Avenue Line) and 23rd Street (IND Sixth Avenue Line). Are there more stations or levels that don't form a single space? Vcohen ( talk) 18:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, 67.247.23.150. These layouts are planned for all stations, not only terminal ones. However, the first version will have some restrictions, such as ignoring short platforms, offset platforms, connected platforms, curvature of stations and so on. Vcohen ( talk) 07:49, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I've taken the risk of putting some layouts here. Vcohen ( talk) 09:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I re-upload each image that I go to use. I don't want to re-upload them all before I have the final version. The process of re-uploading is too exhausting.
Here you can see the only three images that I have as of now that show "distributed" levels. What I do is simply leave some empty place for the hidden tracks.
I think you know what will be my next question: do you have the full list... Vcohen ( talk) 21:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I've found some list. Until some hours ago I thought that a curtain wall is something like this. That's why I said my layouts didn't take curtain walls into account (see my message above dated 26 January 2012). You have drawn my attention to the fact that there are curtain walls of another type. I've looked for the words curtain wall in the articles here and found the next stations:
To my deepest regret, it's impossible. My only source is the table made by you that says that each one of these stations has two tracks (because the rest are invisible). Therefore, before I found the description of the walls, I planned to use...
this diagram. No matter whether I decide to add 2 tracks or to widen the distance between the existing ones, somebody has to tell me which stations need this operation. Vcohen ( talk) 18:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I see this your edit. The original idea was to put the images in the same order as the station types are listed in the description: 2-track line, local stops, express stops. Vcohen ( talk) 09:15, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
P.P.S. I was noticeably surprised to find that these tracks behind curtain walls are still considered visible, both in your table and in the public opinion. It seems I didn't understand you. Do you mean that all such tracks are considered visible throughout your table?
I've found 5 subway lines with alternation of 2 and 4 tracks ( IND Eighth Avenue Line, IND Queens Boulevard Line, IND Sixth Avenue Line, IRT Eastern Parkway Line, IRT Lexington Avenue Line). Is it true that all their stations with 2 tracks have the other 2 either on another level or in another tunnel (such as at Steinway Street (IND Queens Boulevard Line)), but not between the visible tracks behind curtain walls? Vcohen ( talk) 16:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
The rest of my answer will follow later, I'm sorry. Vcohen ( talk) 21:06, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
OK. If I take your table as a basis and decide to ignore walls with holes, there is nothing to change in my layouts. I know these maps, but I was lazy to look at them.
Do you mean that the walls of the BMT Fourth Ave Line have holes and those of Nostrand Ave and Bergen St have not? Vcohen ( talk) 18:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
So, the last thing remaining to discuss here is that end-of-route shape that we didn't find yet. Do you want to say anything about it before I upload all my layouts in their draft version? Vcohen ( talk) 21:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
OK, thank you. The upload will begin once I have some spare hours. Vcohen ( talk) 04:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
My questions never are over...
I've made a special image for the southbound platform of Fordham Road. Do the above quotations mean that Prospect Park and Brodway Junction (Canarsie) need a similar thing? Vcohen ( talk) 07:31, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
P.S. If the answer (especially about Prospect Park) is positive then perhaps the sentence that I've colored in red is wrong and has to be deleted. Vcohen ( talk) 15:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. All the problems have been solved, but the left track of Prospect Park.
My main field of interest here is consistency. There are two facts:
I can change one of them, but I cannot leave them as-is and make a conclusion that contradicts them.
The dotted platform edge in the layout of Bway Jctn is dotted just because the trains on the adjacent track use the opposite platform. This is not the case in Prospect Park. Each solid track must have at least one solid platform edge. Vcohen ( talk) 21:35, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
As of now, my layouts reflect the currently existing routes rather than the system's potential capabilities. Here are some examples:
If I decide to reflect the system's capabilities, I must perform a lot of changes in all my files, including some difficult decisions, such as how to show the through tracks of Court Square currently used as a terminal station.
Alternatively, we can change the infobox and the description of Prospect Park to say that the forth track is in use. Vcohen ( talk) 08:35, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, I think now I have understood you. My questions will follow.
The southbound track of Essex Street is its only southbound track. The southbound trains have no choice but to use it. Vcohen ( talk) 20:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
So, this is the to-do list.
1. Generic layouts (most of them with express tracks in local stations) - have to be replaced (each one with the layout below it).
2. Additional layouts with dotted tracks - have to be edited (all tracks will be solid, along with their adjacent platform edges); for the westernmost track of Prospect Park I need its direction (whether it has be shown as bi-directional).
3. Layouts with tracks between two platforms, one of them dotted - I need to know which platforms have to be transformed to solid (some of these stations already have been listed in context of tracks).
4. How can I tell that one of platforms is typically used and the second only can be? Vcohen ( talk) 18:24, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you.
The G bullets are present, they are hardly visible on this background. Do you have any idea for another background color?
I see that many of existing layouts are correct. It frightens me twice. 1) Maybe some of our "not in regular service" in infoboxes have to be changed to "not in passenger service". 2) Maybe some of my generic layouts (question 1) are correct too and have to remain as-is.
My question 4 is important to me. If I show two platforms available to one track, I want to say which of them is typically used. By the way, I have a similar problem with tracks: if I show two codirectional tracks, I want to say which track is typically used (without drawing route bullets, because it may be a generic layout). Vcohen ( talk) 21:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I have problems with English... My question is how to show the used platform and the used track.
And my second trouble is generic layouts with dotted tracks that maybe I have to leave as-is. Vcohen ( talk) 19:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm not going to modify generic layouts, I'm going to change their association with stations. There may be stations, like St.George, that don't need this change. Vcohen ( talk) 22:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Also, I don't know how I can mark the used tracks. Look here:
Now I need an image with four solid tracks (like the right one above), but with some sign saying that only two tracks are regularly used.
I think that the possibility to establish an express service on a line that currently doesn't have it is more a possibility (or a capability) than something that exists (see our messages from April 9 above). Anyway, it isn't so questionless and undoubted.
I'd like to leave solid lines for regularly used things (tracks and platforms) only, as they are clearly contraposed to all other cases (not in regular service etc.). Any other approach requires decisions for every individual station and investigations of actual usage for every track.
The western track of Prospect Park is used more than the northbound side platform of Mets - Willets Point is, so I'd mark it as "in use" (in the infobox too). Vcohen ( talk) 12:02, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, potentially used tracks will be solid.
The missing image in the last gallery will be like the second one, but without the word "expr". The same solution ("local" near the regularly used tracks and nothing near the potentially used ones) will be applied to Canal+Bowery, Bergen (Culver) and Pelham Parkway.
Now I need something to mark the regularly used platform edge at Broadway Junction (Canarsie) and, by the way, Mets - Willets Point. Vcohen ( talk) 11:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Oops... Sea Beach and Rockaway, you say. I see on these two lines only two stations with "4 (2 in passenger service)": Aqueduct – North Conduit Avenue and Aqueduct Racetrack. Are there more? Vcohen ( talk) 15:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
The infoboxes say something else.
I would edit these infoboxes, except Bowling Green. Vcohen ( talk) 17:29, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Hm... Do you want to show entire abandoned levels too? Currently I don't show levels that passengers are not allowed to enter to, except Bergen Street (IND Culver Line). Vcohen ( talk) 09:53, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
OK OK OK, I don't touch abandoned levels...
Can you please explain me a little more about Howard Beach? I've seen the track map, but I don't see anything that could make the tracks of this station different from the stations before and after it. Vcohen ( talk) 19:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I understand, thank you. Now I'm going to:
Vcohen ( talk) 20:57, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks once again. Most of these corrections have already been done on my local disk, but I don't upload each file after every correction.
Anyway, between clauses 3 and 4 of my numbered list above you will get the right of the first night to see the files and to comment them. Vcohen ( talk) 21:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
P.S. Am I right that the track map has an additional error? Both levels of Fulton St (Nassau) are shown with platforms on the right:
Here I see both levels with platforms on the left: So, I show this station with platforms on the left. Vcohen ( talk) 09:26, 30 April 2012 (UTC) |
P.P.S. For clause 1 a solution can be a solid line for the regularly used platform and a dashed line with long dashes for the less used one. Vcohen ( talk) 10:07, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
P.P.P.S. I want to use this solution (dashed line with long dashes) for the platform of Aqueduct Racetrack too.
Vcohen (
talk) 13:13, 2 May 2012 (UTC) Deleted by
Vcohen (
talk) 18:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
How do you want to see the two Canal Street (BMT Broadway) stations? Both together? Parallel or perpendicular? Vcohen ( talk) 21:31, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Also, how do you want to see the two Times Square stations? The Flushing Line station with the western end down and the shuttle station with the western end up? Vcohen ( talk) 12:42, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
What about directions? Do you want the two Canal Streets parallel? Do you want the two Times Squares in opposite directions, according to their different conventional north? Vcohen ( talk) 16:24, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Two more examples of stations where I must show the real north rather than the railroad one: Middle Village (in the night the railroad north is in the north, during all other times it's in the south); Coney Island (it's the south terminal for all the 4 services, but 2 of them enter the station from the north and 2 from the south). Vcohen ( talk) 15:52, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Two more: 7th Av and Hoyt-Schermerhorn. Some trains have the north in the west while others in the east. I know you are not here, but I want to justify my position for those reading this. Vcohen ( talk) 09:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Before you answer the last portion of questions, I'll add one more. Among the files I'm going to re-upload there are maps of the whole system intended to present lines, services and station locations. Each map consists of single and double line segments representing segments of railway lines. A segment will be double when its corresponding railway line allows bypassing or skipping stations, and single when all trains running on it stop at all stations. It means that the two-track skip-stop segment of the Jamaica Line is double, but the three-track Astoria Line is single (because its third track is not used by the existing services). Do you want to change anything? Vcohen ( talk) 20:14, 5 May 2012 (UTC) |
I have re-uploaded all the images. Now some parts of the discussion may become wrong or unclear. Vcohen ( talk) 15:45, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
There are several galleries of these images:
Vcohen ( talk) 16:11, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
The great day is here! I don't know when you are planning to come back, but I promised and I'm fulfilling. My page with all the layouts and examples of infoboxes is ready. Note the doubled images of Canal St and Chambers St - WTC at the end of the list. The maps I planned to create won't be used, instead of them I've found much more map-like maps on the Dutch wikipedia. Vcohen ( talk) 17:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Service | Station | Platforms | [1] | Details |
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Fixes / Other Notes | ||||
Van Cortlandt Park – 242nd Street | 1
island platform 2 side platforms |
2 | ||
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238th Street | 2 side platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on the northbound platform, then enter 240th Street Yard on west side of line; north of the station | ||||
137th Street – City College | 2 side platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on the northbound platform, relay north of station to center express track, return to service on the southbound platform | ||||
South Ferry | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Wakefield – 241st Street | 1
island platform 2 side platforms |
2 | ||
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Flatbush Avenue – Brooklyn College | 2 side platforms | 2 | ||
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Harlem – 148th Street | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Times Square – 42nd Street | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
Trains terminate on the southbound express track, relay past station to a center track between express tracks, return to service on the northbound express track | ||||
New Lots Avenue | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Woodlawn | 1
island platform 2 side platforms |
2 | ||
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Burnside Avenue | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on center express track, then continue light; north to Concourse or Jerome Yards | ||||
Crown Heights – Utica Avenue | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
Trains terminate at upper level island platform on either track, relay past station to a center track between express and local track, return to service at lower level island platform on either track | ||||
Eastchester – Dyre Avenue | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Nereid Avenue | 2 side platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on the northbound platform, then enter 239th Street Yard; north of the station | ||||
East 180th Street | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on the center track, open doors on both sides | ||||
Bowling Green | 2
island platforms 1 side platform |
3 | ||
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Pelham Bay Park | 1
island platform 2 side platforms |
2 | ||
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Parkchester | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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Third Avenue – 138th Street | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
Trains terminate on the center track, open doors on both sides | ||||
Brooklyn Bridge – City Hall | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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Flushing – Main Street | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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111th Street | 2 side platforms | 5 | ||
Trains terminate on northbound local track, then enter Corona Yard | ||||
Times Square | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Times Square | 3 side platforms | 3 | ||
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Grand Central | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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Inwood – 207th Street | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Dyckman Street | 2 side platforms | 4 | ||
Trains terminate on northbound track, then enter 207th Street Yard | ||||
168th Street | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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59th Street – Columbus Circle | 3 island platforms | 4 | ||
<A> trains running light; enter service here in the PM | ||||
Euclid Avenue | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
Trains terminate on southbound local track, relay south of station towards Pitkin Yard, return to service on northbound local track | ||||
Ozone Park–Lefferts Boulevard | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Far Rockaway – Mott Avenue | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Rockaway Park – Beach 116th Street | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Broad Channel | 2 side platforms | 2 | ||
Trains terminate on northbound track, relay north of station to siding east of line, return to service on southbound track | ||||
Bedford Park Boulevard | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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145th Street | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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Brighton Beach | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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Norwood – 205th Street | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
trains terminate on northbound track, relay on tail tracks east of station, return to service on southbound track | ||||
Jamaica Center – Parsons/Archer | 1 island platform | 4 | ||
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Chambers Street
(express) |
2 island platforms | 4 | ||
World Trade Center (local) | ||||
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Jamaica – 179th Street | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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Kings Highway | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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Court Square | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Church Avenue | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
trains terminate on either track of southbound island platform, relay to lower level Church Avenue Yard, return to service on either track of northbound island platform | ||||
Broadway Junction | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
trains terminate on center express track, continue light to East New York Yard | ||||
Chambers Street | 3
island platforms 1 side platform |
4 | ||
trains terminate on southbound express track, relay south of station on lower level, return to service on northbound express track | ||||
Broad Street | 2 side platforms | 2 | ||
trains terminate on southbound track, relay south of station on two center tracks, return to service on northbound track | ||||
Eighth Avenue | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Canarsie – Rockaway Parkway | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Middle Village – Metropolitan Avenue | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Myrtle Avenue | 2 island platforms | 3 | ||
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Forest Hills – 71st Avenue | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
trains terminate on either track of northbound island platform, relay east of station on lower level toward Jamaica Yard, return to service on either track of southbound island platform | ||||
Astoria – Ditmars Boulevard | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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57th Street – Seventh Avenue | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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Canal Street | 2 side platforms | 4 | ||
trains terminate on southbound track, relay south of station on lower level of City Hall, return to service on northbound track | ||||
36th Street | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
trains terminate on northbound express track, relay north of station, return to service on southbound local track | ||||
Bay Ridge – 95th Street | 1 island platform | 2 | ||
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Coney Island – Stillwell Avenue | 4 island platforms | 8 | ||
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Franklin Avenue | 1 side platform | 1 | ||
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Prospect Park | 2 island platforms | 4 | ||
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You might want to add to some of the diagrams; an arrow to one side with the text "Arriving Trains." Another arrow at the other end with the text "Departing Trains." Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
(added image) Acps110 ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I see the image. I thought about two other cases. If each track has its direction, I can add to them labels such as "boarding" and "alighting" (in addition to the existing "local" and "local"). If the train turns back within the station on a bi-directional track, I can draw something like this: Vcohen ( talk) 20:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Here you are. If you read including the red text, it's with. If you don't, it's without.
Another option is to use arrows like these: and . Vcohen ( talk) 22:31, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
You are right, I have to enlarge the font. The arrow heads have already been enlarged, you'll see it after I re-upload the images with corrections. The labels always belong to tracks and are placed on the continuations of their axes, it shouldn't be a problem. I prefer to use symbols rather than text labels, when possible. However, I'm planning to show the current configuration of services and not the physical tracks. If at a certain point of track all services terminate, I want to show dead-end, even if the track itself continues. I have to choose symbols that will be clear enough. Maybe, something like this?
- bi-directional track, the train enters from the left and departs to the left
- alighting only, the train enters from the left and departs to the right
- boarding only, the train enters from the right and departs to the left Vcohen ( talk) 09:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
P.S. This is a quotation from the future introduction: The current version doesn't take into account:
Vcohen ( talk) 11:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
The track directions are different. Vcohen ( talk) 17:27, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
One of us doesn't understand something. The arrow is the track. The circle is the end of the service. Vcohen ( talk) 17:38, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
An example has been uploaded. The size of the circles will be adjusted so they won't be confused with service designations.
Alternatively, I'm open to discuss other shapes. Vcohen ( talk) 22:25, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I've found an example (on the right) of using a circle to mark a terminal stop of a tram route. It isn't exactly our case, because (1) it's a route and a station, not a track and a point on it; (2) maybe this designation isn't common in the USA or in the world. Vcohen ( talk) 12:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
And now, these are the promised questions. Their number is unexpectedly few: one question only.
Prospect Park (BMT Brighton Line). The article says: "The Franklin Avenue Shuttle terminates on the northbound local track while the southbound one is not normally used in revenue service." Do you say it's wrong? Vcohen ( talk) 18:31, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry, there is no deadline.
I am not looking for service designations, nor am I looking for anything that could be confused with service designations. I want to mark a point on the track. (Also, if they use squares as terminals of circles, what do they use as terminals of diamonds?)
Do you want to fix the Tracks field in the infobox of Prospect Park?
I think I'll add a new item to my "doesn't take into account" list:
Excuse me, what is "can be at a moment's notice"? I thought it meant emergency reroutings or so, not something happening every evening. Vcohen ( talk) 13:28, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
The more I know, the more questions I have. With your help, I know the direction of every track. Now I want to mark terminal tracks. The rule is:
I'm trying to separate these two kinds of tracks, and I see two clear cases:
Beyond these clear cases there are some stations that I am not sure about. Here is the list:
Vcohen ( talk) 12:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Where you say "already answered", my questions are not about what is already answered.
Now I know that the center tracks of Chambers Street are terminal-only, the rest of tracks in my last list are not.
However, I still don't understand the configuration of Times Square. It seems I am the one who does not know to ask. I am talking about the platform between tracks 1 and 3. Usually, if a platform is located between two tracks, it's an island platform and serves both of them. This one isn't and doesn't. What have I to draw along its southern edge? Why doesn't it serve track 1? Vcohen ( talk) 08:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, thank you. The answer is "with a railing installed on the side towards Track 1". I tried to get the answer using the track map, but it seems to have some inaccuracies.
One question more. Not for my work on the station layouts, but only to understand what you say. In the table above there are some cases that you say: "Trains terminate on ... track, continue light to ... yard". Does it mean that they also begin their service from the same yard on the corresponding track? Vcohen ( talk) 15:24, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Excuse me, it isn't what I wanted to ask. Your description in the table sounds like these stations are end of service only, not beginning of service. The question is if they are beginning of service too. Did you omit the way back for brevity, or are these stations indeed end of service only? Vcohen ( talk) 16:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Anyway, if a track is both terminal and through, I don't mark it as terminal. Vcohen ( talk) 17:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
P.S. Sorry, I've missed Crown Heights – Utica Avenue (IRT Eastern Parkway Line). My impression is that the express tracks are terminal-only and the local ones are both terminal and through. Am I right? Vcohen ( talk) 18:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
P.P.S. Are these the kind of squares you spoke about? Vcohen ( talk) 08:32, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
P.P.P.S. One more... At Flushing – Main Street, how are the three tracks distributed between the 7 and <7> trains? Does the <7> terminate on the middle track and the 7 on the two others? Vcohen ( talk) 13:52, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I have uploaded some additional files that were missed before. They are in the new style, like the last sketch here. Later I will re-upload the whole series, but meanwhile we can discuss the style and improve it. Here are some examples:
Vcohen ( talk) 20:37, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
A new question again. I have accidentally discovered that the lower level of the Nostrand Avenue (IND Fulton Street Line) station has walls between the tracks, i.e. despite the usual description "2 side platforms" the level doesn't form a single space with 2 platforms and tracks between them. Before that I knew only two such stations: 14th Street (IND Sixth Avenue Line) and 23rd Street (IND Sixth Avenue Line). Are there more stations or levels that don't form a single space? Vcohen ( talk) 18:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, 67.247.23.150. These layouts are planned for all stations, not only terminal ones. However, the first version will have some restrictions, such as ignoring short platforms, offset platforms, connected platforms, curvature of stations and so on. Vcohen ( talk) 07:49, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I've taken the risk of putting some layouts here. Vcohen ( talk) 09:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I re-upload each image that I go to use. I don't want to re-upload them all before I have the final version. The process of re-uploading is too exhausting.
Here you can see the only three images that I have as of now that show "distributed" levels. What I do is simply leave some empty place for the hidden tracks.
I think you know what will be my next question: do you have the full list... Vcohen ( talk) 21:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I've found some list. Until some hours ago I thought that a curtain wall is something like this. That's why I said my layouts didn't take curtain walls into account (see my message above dated 26 January 2012). You have drawn my attention to the fact that there are curtain walls of another type. I've looked for the words curtain wall in the articles here and found the next stations:
To my deepest regret, it's impossible. My only source is the table made by you that says that each one of these stations has two tracks (because the rest are invisible). Therefore, before I found the description of the walls, I planned to use...
this diagram. No matter whether I decide to add 2 tracks or to widen the distance between the existing ones, somebody has to tell me which stations need this operation. Vcohen ( talk) 18:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I see this your edit. The original idea was to put the images in the same order as the station types are listed in the description: 2-track line, local stops, express stops. Vcohen ( talk) 09:15, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
P.P.S. I was noticeably surprised to find that these tracks behind curtain walls are still considered visible, both in your table and in the public opinion. It seems I didn't understand you. Do you mean that all such tracks are considered visible throughout your table?
I've found 5 subway lines with alternation of 2 and 4 tracks ( IND Eighth Avenue Line, IND Queens Boulevard Line, IND Sixth Avenue Line, IRT Eastern Parkway Line, IRT Lexington Avenue Line). Is it true that all their stations with 2 tracks have the other 2 either on another level or in another tunnel (such as at Steinway Street (IND Queens Boulevard Line)), but not between the visible tracks behind curtain walls? Vcohen ( talk) 16:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
The rest of my answer will follow later, I'm sorry. Vcohen ( talk) 21:06, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
OK. If I take your table as a basis and decide to ignore walls with holes, there is nothing to change in my layouts. I know these maps, but I was lazy to look at them.
Do you mean that the walls of the BMT Fourth Ave Line have holes and those of Nostrand Ave and Bergen St have not? Vcohen ( talk) 18:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
So, the last thing remaining to discuss here is that end-of-route shape that we didn't find yet. Do you want to say anything about it before I upload all my layouts in their draft version? Vcohen ( talk) 21:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
OK, thank you. The upload will begin once I have some spare hours. Vcohen ( talk) 04:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
My questions never are over...
I've made a special image for the southbound platform of Fordham Road. Do the above quotations mean that Prospect Park and Brodway Junction (Canarsie) need a similar thing? Vcohen ( talk) 07:31, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
P.S. If the answer (especially about Prospect Park) is positive then perhaps the sentence that I've colored in red is wrong and has to be deleted. Vcohen ( talk) 15:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. All the problems have been solved, but the left track of Prospect Park.
My main field of interest here is consistency. There are two facts:
I can change one of them, but I cannot leave them as-is and make a conclusion that contradicts them.
The dotted platform edge in the layout of Bway Jctn is dotted just because the trains on the adjacent track use the opposite platform. This is not the case in Prospect Park. Each solid track must have at least one solid platform edge. Vcohen ( talk) 21:35, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
As of now, my layouts reflect the currently existing routes rather than the system's potential capabilities. Here are some examples:
If I decide to reflect the system's capabilities, I must perform a lot of changes in all my files, including some difficult decisions, such as how to show the through tracks of Court Square currently used as a terminal station.
Alternatively, we can change the infobox and the description of Prospect Park to say that the forth track is in use. Vcohen ( talk) 08:35, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, I think now I have understood you. My questions will follow.
The southbound track of Essex Street is its only southbound track. The southbound trains have no choice but to use it. Vcohen ( talk) 20:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
So, this is the to-do list.
1. Generic layouts (most of them with express tracks in local stations) - have to be replaced (each one with the layout below it).
2. Additional layouts with dotted tracks - have to be edited (all tracks will be solid, along with their adjacent platform edges); for the westernmost track of Prospect Park I need its direction (whether it has be shown as bi-directional).
3. Layouts with tracks between two platforms, one of them dotted - I need to know which platforms have to be transformed to solid (some of these stations already have been listed in context of tracks).
4. How can I tell that one of platforms is typically used and the second only can be? Vcohen ( talk) 18:24, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you.
The G bullets are present, they are hardly visible on this background. Do you have any idea for another background color?
I see that many of existing layouts are correct. It frightens me twice. 1) Maybe some of our "not in regular service" in infoboxes have to be changed to "not in passenger service". 2) Maybe some of my generic layouts (question 1) are correct too and have to remain as-is.
My question 4 is important to me. If I show two platforms available to one track, I want to say which of them is typically used. By the way, I have a similar problem with tracks: if I show two codirectional tracks, I want to say which track is typically used (without drawing route bullets, because it may be a generic layout). Vcohen ( talk) 21:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I have problems with English... My question is how to show the used platform and the used track.
And my second trouble is generic layouts with dotted tracks that maybe I have to leave as-is. Vcohen ( talk) 19:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm not going to modify generic layouts, I'm going to change their association with stations. There may be stations, like St.George, that don't need this change. Vcohen ( talk) 22:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Also, I don't know how I can mark the used tracks. Look here:
Now I need an image with four solid tracks (like the right one above), but with some sign saying that only two tracks are regularly used.
I think that the possibility to establish an express service on a line that currently doesn't have it is more a possibility (or a capability) than something that exists (see our messages from April 9 above). Anyway, it isn't so questionless and undoubted.
I'd like to leave solid lines for regularly used things (tracks and platforms) only, as they are clearly contraposed to all other cases (not in regular service etc.). Any other approach requires decisions for every individual station and investigations of actual usage for every track.
The western track of Prospect Park is used more than the northbound side platform of Mets - Willets Point is, so I'd mark it as "in use" (in the infobox too). Vcohen ( talk) 12:02, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, potentially used tracks will be solid.
The missing image in the last gallery will be like the second one, but without the word "expr". The same solution ("local" near the regularly used tracks and nothing near the potentially used ones) will be applied to Canal+Bowery, Bergen (Culver) and Pelham Parkway.
Now I need something to mark the regularly used platform edge at Broadway Junction (Canarsie) and, by the way, Mets - Willets Point. Vcohen ( talk) 11:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Oops... Sea Beach and Rockaway, you say. I see on these two lines only two stations with "4 (2 in passenger service)": Aqueduct – North Conduit Avenue and Aqueduct Racetrack. Are there more? Vcohen ( talk) 15:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
The infoboxes say something else.
I would edit these infoboxes, except Bowling Green. Vcohen ( talk) 17:29, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Hm... Do you want to show entire abandoned levels too? Currently I don't show levels that passengers are not allowed to enter to, except Bergen Street (IND Culver Line). Vcohen ( talk) 09:53, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
OK OK OK, I don't touch abandoned levels...
Can you please explain me a little more about Howard Beach? I've seen the track map, but I don't see anything that could make the tracks of this station different from the stations before and after it. Vcohen ( talk) 19:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I understand, thank you. Now I'm going to:
Vcohen ( talk) 20:57, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks once again. Most of these corrections have already been done on my local disk, but I don't upload each file after every correction.
Anyway, between clauses 3 and 4 of my numbered list above you will get the right of the first night to see the files and to comment them. Vcohen ( talk) 21:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
P.S. Am I right that the track map has an additional error? Both levels of Fulton St (Nassau) are shown with platforms on the right:
Here I see both levels with platforms on the left: So, I show this station with platforms on the left. Vcohen ( talk) 09:26, 30 April 2012 (UTC) |
P.P.S. For clause 1 a solution can be a solid line for the regularly used platform and a dashed line with long dashes for the less used one. Vcohen ( talk) 10:07, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
P.P.P.S. I want to use this solution (dashed line with long dashes) for the platform of Aqueduct Racetrack too.
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How do you want to see the two Canal Street (BMT Broadway) stations? Both together? Parallel or perpendicular? Vcohen ( talk) 21:31, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Also, how do you want to see the two Times Square stations? The Flushing Line station with the western end down and the shuttle station with the western end up? Vcohen ( talk) 12:42, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
What about directions? Do you want the two Canal Streets parallel? Do you want the two Times Squares in opposite directions, according to their different conventional north? Vcohen ( talk) 16:24, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Two more examples of stations where I must show the real north rather than the railroad one: Middle Village (in the night the railroad north is in the north, during all other times it's in the south); Coney Island (it's the south terminal for all the 4 services, but 2 of them enter the station from the north and 2 from the south). Vcohen ( talk) 15:52, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Two more: 7th Av and Hoyt-Schermerhorn. Some trains have the north in the west while others in the east. I know you are not here, but I want to justify my position for those reading this. Vcohen ( talk) 09:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Before you answer the last portion of questions, I'll add one more. Among the files I'm going to re-upload there are maps of the whole system intended to present lines, services and station locations. Each map consists of single and double line segments representing segments of railway lines. A segment will be double when its corresponding railway line allows bypassing or skipping stations, and single when all trains running on it stop at all stations. It means that the two-track skip-stop segment of the Jamaica Line is double, but the three-track Astoria Line is single (because its third track is not used by the existing services). Do you want to change anything? Vcohen ( talk) 20:14, 5 May 2012 (UTC) |
I have re-uploaded all the images. Now some parts of the discussion may become wrong or unclear. Vcohen ( talk) 15:45, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
There are several galleries of these images:
Vcohen ( talk) 16:11, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
The great day is here! I don't know when you are planning to come back, but I promised and I'm fulfilling. My page with all the layouts and examples of infoboxes is ready. Note the doubled images of Canal St and Chambers St - WTC at the end of the list. The maps I planned to create won't be used, instead of them I've found much more map-like maps on the Dutch wikipedia. Vcohen ( talk) 17:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)