There is NO need to put Bosnian in cyrillic. It is an extinct cyrillic scrpit.
From the article Bosnian Cyrillic:
"Bosnian Cyrillic is an extinct Cyrillic script,that had mainly been used in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia, Dalmatia and Dubrovnik in particular. Its name in Croatian and Bosnian is bosančica and bosanica (Croats also call it Croatian script, Croatian-Bosnian script or Western Cyrillic). Serbs use the designation Bosnian Cyrillic- in order to stress its affiliation with greater Cyrillic cultural areal."
I think that the people who do not know cyrillic are not repressented by it. I, for instance, do not know any cyrillic, but do speak Bosnian. If you go to the Bosnian Wikipedia. In its policy it states that ONLY the latin script will be used.
HolyRomanEmperor, I respect your views, but putting Bosnian in cyrillic is incorrect. If you are going to say that Serbs use it, than it is (by even them) considered the Serbian language, since they consider themselves Serbian.
(You say that you speak Srpsko-hrvatski, people can argue that it is an extinct language. My point for this view is that Srpsko-hrvatski does use both, however, the Bosnian language does not use it as its standard)
I do not want this to go into a huge debate and I do not want this to head into the deletion template page.
My points are that Wikipedia Bosanski [ [1]] uses only the latin script, that Bosnian Cyrillic is extinct, and that most Bosnians do not use the cyrillic scrpit. You probably know this: About 50% are Bosniaks, 17 % Croats, and 35% Serbs. There is a huge majority (almost 75%, including Bosniaks, Croats, and others of Bosnia and Herzegovina) that do not use the cyrillic script.
Thank You -- Kseferovic
Actually if I am not mistaking cyrilic is also an official script of Bosnian language. However it is common knowledge that mostly Serbs use it and most commonly refer to it as being a script of the Serbian language. It is more of a political game rather than a linguistic one. I personally don't mind cyrilic however it is in use in Bosnia about as much as ancient german script is in use in Germany.
Relative to this disussion I don't see point of changing or adding cyrilic to Bosnian user box partly because it is simply not commonly used but also because Serbian language user box does not note latin script as well while latin is also official script in Serbian language. As for Bosnian wikipedia, it is a matter of technical functionality that the Bosnian Wikipedians have decided to use latin script only. -- Dado 05:28, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I understand that it is for technical purposes that the latin script was chosen for Wikipedia Bosanski. (I am not asinine, I read/research before writting). It states that most Bosnians do not have cyrillic keyboards. This would, in turn, cause issues when writting. However, you could aruge again for the point that cyrillic is not used, since "most" keyboards are not in cyrillic for Bosnia. (You can find cyrillic keyboards in the US, as well, but I do not see a point for it here, at all)
The Serbian Wikipedia uses both writting systems in both ijekav and ekav, pretty much letting anyone read it. I would say there is a linguistic difference between Serbian and Bosnian. Of course, it is not a huge one, but it exists. If we go into the dialect (ekav and ijekav), then we can see a difference in both writting and speaking. The Bosnian Serbs tend to emphasize the way they speak and write to their original Serbian roots. Bosnian only uses ijekav.
This is all for political reasons. Including the changing of the template. HolyRomanEmperor, who does not even suggest this or use it as its own template, decides to change it himself! Let the discussion end without further ado. -- Kseferovic
First in Bosnia was also in use arabic script (arabica) so we should put this as well??!! Second when Bosnian cyrilic was in use term Bosnian language didnt exist yet. Luka Jačov 09:54, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Again I agree. I OPPOSE the addition of the cyrillic script. Just go to Google Bosna i Hercegovina (Bosnia and Herzegovina) (www.google.ba) and see for yourself. Google Bosanski existed for a long time, but finally Google Bosna and Hercegovina. On the website you can see that it is pre-set to search on Bosanski (Bosnian). Then you can change on the bottom of the page to either Croatian or Serbian Still searching in Google Bosna i Hercegovina. Croatian and Bosnian is in the latin script, while Serbian is in the cyrillic script. Anyone (mostly) using cyrillic in Bosnian is usually Serbian and is proud to say that they speak Serbian, not Bosnian. Bosnia recognizes both scripts, but this is since of Republika Srpska that uses the Serbian language, which is in cyrillic. All of this relates to that Bosnian Cyrillic is extinct as mentioned above and shown in the picture. The argument goes back to political issues that are occuring, to this day, in Bosnia -- Kseferovic
Whoever is adding cyrilic script to this user box is taking this issue too seriously. Yes, cyrilic is also an official script of Bosnian language but in real life in Bosnia probably only 10-15% of total population (including Bosnian Serbs) are using it in everyday life. This number may have jumped to 20% following the war and political pressure by Serbian leaders but that's about it.
Second, my personal opinion is that language that Bosnian Serbs speak is far more inclined towards Bosnian language variant than Serbian. One could argue how to call that language (Bosnian, "Bosniak" or "Balkanian") but it is still the same language, developed in a common geographical region by all people of Bosnia, learned by same people, in same schools, from same textbooks and undistinguishable when used in conversation (if not recently at least for good part of the 20th century and before). In fact there is more regional distictions in language between a Bosniak speaking Bosnian in Sarajevo and Bosniak speaking Bosnian in Mostar than there is between Bosniak and Serb speaking a common language with same accent in Sarajevo. For instance it is absurd to claim that Aleksa Santic was speaking Serbian (as part of the Serbian language proper) when he wrote a poem Emina.
Same is not the case for Serbian language when claiming that Bosnian Serbs speak a common language with Serbs in Serbia.-- Dado 18:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Bosnian language uses both Latin and Cyrillic alphabets; from Bosnian language.
No idea what you mean by those other posts. I feel that they are a little too harsh (but hey, that's just me) -- HolyRomanEmperor 15:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Let us just keep it at LATIN. We, who oppose the addition of Cyrillic, have posted our comments (above and on HolyRomanEmperor talk page). Everyone please read them, they all justify our claim. Hopefully this should end the issue. Kseferovic 04:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, for what it's worth... by the way, I think Holly is a good guy, but he tends to rush... I believe in his good intentions, just, the road to Hell is paved with.... Duja 05:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- I've been reading a little on the Bosnian grammatics and I've seen both the Alphabet and the Azbuka. That which is written there is the only Bosnian language that is constitutionalized and official. Is it not so?
- However, I really think that if a Bosnian-speaker can't read Cyrillics, he speaks only half of the language; mind the usage, if we interpret languages by usage instead of what's really stated, we'll have a lot of can of worms...
- Like I said, I have no idea why should the Cyrillic be removed as the Bosnian language without it simply doesn't exist. But I won't push it anymore. I see that there are heavy reactions to this. -- HolyRomanEmperor 13:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
There is NO need to put Bosnian in cyrillic. It is an extinct cyrillic scrpit.
From the article Bosnian Cyrillic:
"Bosnian Cyrillic is an extinct Cyrillic script,that had mainly been used in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia, Dalmatia and Dubrovnik in particular. Its name in Croatian and Bosnian is bosančica and bosanica (Croats also call it Croatian script, Croatian-Bosnian script or Western Cyrillic). Serbs use the designation Bosnian Cyrillic- in order to stress its affiliation with greater Cyrillic cultural areal."
I think that the people who do not know cyrillic are not repressented by it. I, for instance, do not know any cyrillic, but do speak Bosnian. If you go to the Bosnian Wikipedia. In its policy it states that ONLY the latin script will be used.
HolyRomanEmperor, I respect your views, but putting Bosnian in cyrillic is incorrect. If you are going to say that Serbs use it, than it is (by even them) considered the Serbian language, since they consider themselves Serbian.
(You say that you speak Srpsko-hrvatski, people can argue that it is an extinct language. My point for this view is that Srpsko-hrvatski does use both, however, the Bosnian language does not use it as its standard)
I do not want this to go into a huge debate and I do not want this to head into the deletion template page.
My points are that Wikipedia Bosanski [ [1]] uses only the latin script, that Bosnian Cyrillic is extinct, and that most Bosnians do not use the cyrillic scrpit. You probably know this: About 50% are Bosniaks, 17 % Croats, and 35% Serbs. There is a huge majority (almost 75%, including Bosniaks, Croats, and others of Bosnia and Herzegovina) that do not use the cyrillic script.
Thank You -- Kseferovic
Actually if I am not mistaking cyrilic is also an official script of Bosnian language. However it is common knowledge that mostly Serbs use it and most commonly refer to it as being a script of the Serbian language. It is more of a political game rather than a linguistic one. I personally don't mind cyrilic however it is in use in Bosnia about as much as ancient german script is in use in Germany.
Relative to this disussion I don't see point of changing or adding cyrilic to Bosnian user box partly because it is simply not commonly used but also because Serbian language user box does not note latin script as well while latin is also official script in Serbian language. As for Bosnian wikipedia, it is a matter of technical functionality that the Bosnian Wikipedians have decided to use latin script only. -- Dado 05:28, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I understand that it is for technical purposes that the latin script was chosen for Wikipedia Bosanski. (I am not asinine, I read/research before writting). It states that most Bosnians do not have cyrillic keyboards. This would, in turn, cause issues when writting. However, you could aruge again for the point that cyrillic is not used, since "most" keyboards are not in cyrillic for Bosnia. (You can find cyrillic keyboards in the US, as well, but I do not see a point for it here, at all)
The Serbian Wikipedia uses both writting systems in both ijekav and ekav, pretty much letting anyone read it. I would say there is a linguistic difference between Serbian and Bosnian. Of course, it is not a huge one, but it exists. If we go into the dialect (ekav and ijekav), then we can see a difference in both writting and speaking. The Bosnian Serbs tend to emphasize the way they speak and write to their original Serbian roots. Bosnian only uses ijekav.
This is all for political reasons. Including the changing of the template. HolyRomanEmperor, who does not even suggest this or use it as its own template, decides to change it himself! Let the discussion end without further ado. -- Kseferovic
First in Bosnia was also in use arabic script (arabica) so we should put this as well??!! Second when Bosnian cyrilic was in use term Bosnian language didnt exist yet. Luka Jačov 09:54, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Again I agree. I OPPOSE the addition of the cyrillic script. Just go to Google Bosna i Hercegovina (Bosnia and Herzegovina) (www.google.ba) and see for yourself. Google Bosanski existed for a long time, but finally Google Bosna and Hercegovina. On the website you can see that it is pre-set to search on Bosanski (Bosnian). Then you can change on the bottom of the page to either Croatian or Serbian Still searching in Google Bosna i Hercegovina. Croatian and Bosnian is in the latin script, while Serbian is in the cyrillic script. Anyone (mostly) using cyrillic in Bosnian is usually Serbian and is proud to say that they speak Serbian, not Bosnian. Bosnia recognizes both scripts, but this is since of Republika Srpska that uses the Serbian language, which is in cyrillic. All of this relates to that Bosnian Cyrillic is extinct as mentioned above and shown in the picture. The argument goes back to political issues that are occuring, to this day, in Bosnia -- Kseferovic
Whoever is adding cyrilic script to this user box is taking this issue too seriously. Yes, cyrilic is also an official script of Bosnian language but in real life in Bosnia probably only 10-15% of total population (including Bosnian Serbs) are using it in everyday life. This number may have jumped to 20% following the war and political pressure by Serbian leaders but that's about it.
Second, my personal opinion is that language that Bosnian Serbs speak is far more inclined towards Bosnian language variant than Serbian. One could argue how to call that language (Bosnian, "Bosniak" or "Balkanian") but it is still the same language, developed in a common geographical region by all people of Bosnia, learned by same people, in same schools, from same textbooks and undistinguishable when used in conversation (if not recently at least for good part of the 20th century and before). In fact there is more regional distictions in language between a Bosniak speaking Bosnian in Sarajevo and Bosniak speaking Bosnian in Mostar than there is between Bosniak and Serb speaking a common language with same accent in Sarajevo. For instance it is absurd to claim that Aleksa Santic was speaking Serbian (as part of the Serbian language proper) when he wrote a poem Emina.
Same is not the case for Serbian language when claiming that Bosnian Serbs speak a common language with Serbs in Serbia.-- Dado 18:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Bosnian language uses both Latin and Cyrillic alphabets; from Bosnian language.
No idea what you mean by those other posts. I feel that they are a little too harsh (but hey, that's just me) -- HolyRomanEmperor 15:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Let us just keep it at LATIN. We, who oppose the addition of Cyrillic, have posted our comments (above and on HolyRomanEmperor talk page). Everyone please read them, they all justify our claim. Hopefully this should end the issue. Kseferovic 04:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, for what it's worth... by the way, I think Holly is a good guy, but he tends to rush... I believe in his good intentions, just, the road to Hell is paved with.... Duja 05:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- I've been reading a little on the Bosnian grammatics and I've seen both the Alphabet and the Azbuka. That which is written there is the only Bosnian language that is constitutionalized and official. Is it not so?
- However, I really think that if a Bosnian-speaker can't read Cyrillics, he speaks only half of the language; mind the usage, if we interpret languages by usage instead of what's really stated, we'll have a lot of can of worms...
- Like I said, I have no idea why should the Cyrillic be removed as the Bosnian language without it simply doesn't exist. But I won't push it anymore. I see that there are heavy reactions to this. -- HolyRomanEmperor 13:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)