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Internal Energy | ||||
Helmholtz free energy | ||||
Enthalpy | ||||
Gibbs free energy |
Have a good look at this; it looks quite good, i think. Maybe
User:JCraw will make changes to it?
James S 01:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
J O R D A N [ talk ] 13:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Here's a mockup i did. Looks nicer? J O R D A N [ talk ] 13:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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Laws of thermodynamics | ||
Conjugate variables | ||
Thermodynamic potentials | ||
Material properties | ||
Maxwell relations | ||
Bridgman's equations | ||
Exact differential | ||
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(Link to template on user page deleted)
Some changes were made today with what I am certain was good intent, but I have a few concerns which I wanted to raise. I have rolled them back because of the ill effects on the layout that resulted, but perhaps some additional discussion should happen here as well.
My thoughts / concerns ---
Some of the layout was broken. I see the use of an hlist div class instead of whatever the older method was; this seems to be fine for the simple sections (like "Laws") but did not work well for multilevel sections like "Systems", which became much less readable as subheadings were forced inline with other links.
Another technical note is that the removal of the bold attribute (3 apostrophes) in the link to Material Properties actually breaks a function of the template. When you click any of the sections, the article which comes up is meant to show the template expanded to the relevant section; in order for this to work the link name needs to exactly match the link text as displayed. Several years ago I remember having to fight with the software quite a bit to get that to work correctly. Perhaps there is a better way to do it, but at least at the moment maintaining that consistency is functionally important.
Thoughts on some of the other changes...
dhollm ( talk) 03:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
The use of hlist is basically mandated due to Accessibility concerns. I understand that the section headings end up lost, but again, that's for accessibility reasons. In actuality, the subheadings are a list which is not marked up as one (a definition list), and it should be.
Fixed. The listnname is the value which is taken by the display; I had considered changing it to simpler values but then discovered that it was actually implemented like that in the wild, and I missed undoing that "fix". It's on my to-fix list (at some point!).
The problem I have with the link is that it is a redirect to the link in the title of the template. We should attempt not to present the same link twice. Maybe the link in the title of the template should be removed to compensate instead.
The link looks very low value and I've never heard of separating out "thermal fluids" from the main branches of thermodynamics...
I thought a caption necessary due to the fact that it isn't immediately obvious to the general encyclopedia reader (you seem to be concerned about the exact opposite!).
See text below for what I did to each category:
[[Category:Physics sidebar templates]] <- kept [[Category:Physics templates]] <- removed as duplicate, see below [[Category:Exclude in print]] <- kept [[Category:Physics templates|Thermodynamic equations]] <- this is the other duplicate, but was removed as it is less specific than the first category [[Category:Chemistry templates|Thermodynamic equations]] <- kept, removed unnecessary sortkey
[[Category:Chemistry templates]] <- kept, removed unnecessary sortkey [[Category:Exclude in print]] <- kept [[Category:Physics sidebar templates]] <- kept
Hi,
I appreciate your willingness to contribute to Wikipedia. However, topic sidebars are a really bad idea.
So, please, turn this template into a navbar, to be placed at the bottom of the article with other navbars.
Or just retire it altogether. I am sorry to say this, but it will not be missed.
All the best,--
Jorge Stolfi (
talk) 02:35, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
I agree with this, I am starting a sandbox to make the required changes and reformat as navbar. Original user has not objected, so I assume they do not mind very much. It will be much more useful as a full-width nav-bar on each of these pages. Which is also in accord with modern trends in the use of sidebars. Footlessmouse ( talk) 07:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Physics Template‑class | |||||||
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Internal Energy | ||||
Helmholtz free energy | ||||
Enthalpy | ||||
Gibbs free energy |
Have a good look at this; it looks quite good, i think. Maybe
User:JCraw will make changes to it?
James S 01:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
J O R D A N [ talk ] 13:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Here's a mockup i did. Looks nicer? J O R D A N [ talk ] 13:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
| ||
Laws of thermodynamics | ||
Conjugate variables | ||
Thermodynamic potentials | ||
Material properties | ||
Maxwell relations | ||
Bridgman's equations | ||
Exact differential | ||
edit |
(Link to template on user page deleted)
Some changes were made today with what I am certain was good intent, but I have a few concerns which I wanted to raise. I have rolled them back because of the ill effects on the layout that resulted, but perhaps some additional discussion should happen here as well.
My thoughts / concerns ---
Some of the layout was broken. I see the use of an hlist div class instead of whatever the older method was; this seems to be fine for the simple sections (like "Laws") but did not work well for multilevel sections like "Systems", which became much less readable as subheadings were forced inline with other links.
Another technical note is that the removal of the bold attribute (3 apostrophes) in the link to Material Properties actually breaks a function of the template. When you click any of the sections, the article which comes up is meant to show the template expanded to the relevant section; in order for this to work the link name needs to exactly match the link text as displayed. Several years ago I remember having to fight with the software quite a bit to get that to work correctly. Perhaps there is a better way to do it, but at least at the moment maintaining that consistency is functionally important.
Thoughts on some of the other changes...
dhollm ( talk) 03:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
The use of hlist is basically mandated due to Accessibility concerns. I understand that the section headings end up lost, but again, that's for accessibility reasons. In actuality, the subheadings are a list which is not marked up as one (a definition list), and it should be.
Fixed. The listnname is the value which is taken by the display; I had considered changing it to simpler values but then discovered that it was actually implemented like that in the wild, and I missed undoing that "fix". It's on my to-fix list (at some point!).
The problem I have with the link is that it is a redirect to the link in the title of the template. We should attempt not to present the same link twice. Maybe the link in the title of the template should be removed to compensate instead.
The link looks very low value and I've never heard of separating out "thermal fluids" from the main branches of thermodynamics...
I thought a caption necessary due to the fact that it isn't immediately obvious to the general encyclopedia reader (you seem to be concerned about the exact opposite!).
See text below for what I did to each category:
[[Category:Physics sidebar templates]] <- kept [[Category:Physics templates]] <- removed as duplicate, see below [[Category:Exclude in print]] <- kept [[Category:Physics templates|Thermodynamic equations]] <- this is the other duplicate, but was removed as it is less specific than the first category [[Category:Chemistry templates|Thermodynamic equations]] <- kept, removed unnecessary sortkey
[[Category:Chemistry templates]] <- kept, removed unnecessary sortkey [[Category:Exclude in print]] <- kept [[Category:Physics sidebar templates]] <- kept
Hi,
I appreciate your willingness to contribute to Wikipedia. However, topic sidebars are a really bad idea.
So, please, turn this template into a navbar, to be placed at the bottom of the article with other navbars.
Or just retire it altogether. I am sorry to say this, but it will not be missed.
All the best,--
Jorge Stolfi (
talk) 02:35, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
I agree with this, I am starting a sandbox to make the required changes and reformat as navbar. Original user has not objected, so I assume they do not mind very much. It will be much more useful as a full-width nav-bar on each of these pages. Which is also in accord with modern trends in the use of sidebars. Footlessmouse ( talk) 07:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)