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I just love the discussion you had Nat, on merging the two templates. GreenJoe 16:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Michener should be on the template; it is most certainly is a post-secondary institution. It is listed on the colleges page of the provincial ministry. [1] It is funded by the provincial government. [2]
It describes itself as:
Nephron T| C 18:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
According to the ministry's page at [11]" There are 24 colleges in Ontario." If you count the colleges with full listings on that page there are 24 and then afterwards there is an "in addition" section which mentions The Michener Institute so it is clear that Michener is not a provincial community college (and they are definitely not an "Institute of Advanced Studies") so they should not be listed as such. However, they are listed on the ministry's page under "in addition", along with several campuses of the University of Guelph that offer post-secondary certificates, and they do receive public funding so they are not the same as a private career college but are some sort of semi-public institution so I'd be included to list them in the colleges template under some sot of "other" line eg "other diploma and certificate granting institution receiving public funding". I'd also like to argue for the retention of the other "other" lines in the post-secondary template as these list institutions that have been given degree-granting authority by the province making them again somewhat different from private career colleges such as the Academy of Learning. Michener grants degrees as well, but in conjunction with a university rather than under their own name, so I don't think they fit into either of the existing "other" categories. The fact that they award post-graduate certificates and a degree in conjunction with an established university also makes them distinct from private career colleges. Also, unlike private career colleges, Michener is a member of the Association of Canadian Community Colleges listed here.
So I suggest creating an "other" category for them under Community Colleges. Reggie Perrin ( talk) 18:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
FYI, the other colleges mentioned at the ministry page in addition to the 24 community colleges are Collège d'Alfred, Kemptville College, and Ridgetown College which are all affiliates (now called "campuses") of the Ontario Agricultural College of the University of Guelph. Reggie Perrin ( talk) 18:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
It appears to be a private career college to me and I don't think they should be included in this navigational box. The public funding it gets comes through the Ministry of Health, not the Ministry of Education. They are not among the 24 community colleges recognised by the Ministry of Education. DoubleBlue ( Talk) 18:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
It's valid to list Michener here, but not under the colleges section. I've added a separate section of this template for the four institutions that are mentioned as footnotes on MCTU's colleges page; while they're valid inclusions on the template, they're a separate class of institution from CAATs. Bearcat ( talk) 18:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Redirecting this to the colleges template is inappropriate as that template doesn't list universities or other degree granting institutions. If there is to be a redirection it should be to this template, not the other way around. Reggie Perrin ( talk) 16:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
As seen from my creation of this template, I am for the one template. The reason why is due to the fact that there was previously no possibility for private degree granting institutions established through an act of the legislature (i.e.
Redeemer University College and
Tyndale University College and Seminary) to be listed on the {{
Ont Uni}}
template as GreenJoe had been reverting any contributions that have done so. This template allows for the inclusion on those articles and aids readers to find Ministry of Colleges, Training and Universities/Government of Ontario-recognized institutions. The great thing about Wikipedia now is the introduction and implementation of {{
Navbox}}
, which allows the readers to hid the navigation menus if they chose to do so, and as such, as Bearcat has stated, there is no longer the need for multiple navigational templates on the issue of ps institutions.
nat.u
toronto 21:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
This template is HUGE, and really needs to be broken up into 2 templates. GreenJoe 17:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I removed Alfred · Kemptville · Ridgetown because 2 of the 3 simply re-direct to the Ontario Agricultural College. They're all campuses of the larger University of Guelph. If we include them, then we have to include every member college of the University of Toronto, to start. GreenJoe 21:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Nowhere on the provided website does it say they are publically funded. It only says "getting to know Ontario's universities." It's being challenged, thus an in-line citation is required to satisfy WP:CITE. GreenJoe 23:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
What is the difference between this section and the "Privately Funded Institutions"? Could RCC and CMCC not be moved into the Privately Funded Institutions section? DigitalC ( talk) 10:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Is Saint Paul University a private school? It is certainly federated with U Ottawa and is listed on its wikipedia page as being public. I believe it should be deleted from the template altogether, as other university colleges such as those at UWO are not listed. NEPats ( talk) 02:40, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Based on this document these are the ones I think should be included in the template, perhaps as their own category of affiliate colleges. They are certainly publicly funded up to a point in that part of their infrastructure funding comes from the province and their students are OSAP eligible. Furthermore, together these institutions represent tens of thousands of students which is a noteworthy aspect of post-secondary education in ontario
What do you guys think Dowew ( talk) 00:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Royal Military College is covered by provincial legislation, not federal. See also - The Royal Military College of Canada Degrees Act https://www.rmc-cmr.ca/en/college-commandants-office/about-royal-military-college-canada Me-123567-Me ( talk) 16:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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I just love the discussion you had Nat, on merging the two templates. GreenJoe 16:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Michener should be on the template; it is most certainly is a post-secondary institution. It is listed on the colleges page of the provincial ministry. [1] It is funded by the provincial government. [2]
It describes itself as:
Nephron T| C 18:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
According to the ministry's page at [11]" There are 24 colleges in Ontario." If you count the colleges with full listings on that page there are 24 and then afterwards there is an "in addition" section which mentions The Michener Institute so it is clear that Michener is not a provincial community college (and they are definitely not an "Institute of Advanced Studies") so they should not be listed as such. However, they are listed on the ministry's page under "in addition", along with several campuses of the University of Guelph that offer post-secondary certificates, and they do receive public funding so they are not the same as a private career college but are some sort of semi-public institution so I'd be included to list them in the colleges template under some sot of "other" line eg "other diploma and certificate granting institution receiving public funding". I'd also like to argue for the retention of the other "other" lines in the post-secondary template as these list institutions that have been given degree-granting authority by the province making them again somewhat different from private career colleges such as the Academy of Learning. Michener grants degrees as well, but in conjunction with a university rather than under their own name, so I don't think they fit into either of the existing "other" categories. The fact that they award post-graduate certificates and a degree in conjunction with an established university also makes them distinct from private career colleges. Also, unlike private career colleges, Michener is a member of the Association of Canadian Community Colleges listed here.
So I suggest creating an "other" category for them under Community Colleges. Reggie Perrin ( talk) 18:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
FYI, the other colleges mentioned at the ministry page in addition to the 24 community colleges are Collège d'Alfred, Kemptville College, and Ridgetown College which are all affiliates (now called "campuses") of the Ontario Agricultural College of the University of Guelph. Reggie Perrin ( talk) 18:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
It appears to be a private career college to me and I don't think they should be included in this navigational box. The public funding it gets comes through the Ministry of Health, not the Ministry of Education. They are not among the 24 community colleges recognised by the Ministry of Education. DoubleBlue ( Talk) 18:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
It's valid to list Michener here, but not under the colleges section. I've added a separate section of this template for the four institutions that are mentioned as footnotes on MCTU's colleges page; while they're valid inclusions on the template, they're a separate class of institution from CAATs. Bearcat ( talk) 18:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Redirecting this to the colleges template is inappropriate as that template doesn't list universities or other degree granting institutions. If there is to be a redirection it should be to this template, not the other way around. Reggie Perrin ( talk) 16:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
As seen from my creation of this template, I am for the one template. The reason why is due to the fact that there was previously no possibility for private degree granting institutions established through an act of the legislature (i.e.
Redeemer University College and
Tyndale University College and Seminary) to be listed on the {{
Ont Uni}}
template as GreenJoe had been reverting any contributions that have done so. This template allows for the inclusion on those articles and aids readers to find Ministry of Colleges, Training and Universities/Government of Ontario-recognized institutions. The great thing about Wikipedia now is the introduction and implementation of {{
Navbox}}
, which allows the readers to hid the navigation menus if they chose to do so, and as such, as Bearcat has stated, there is no longer the need for multiple navigational templates on the issue of ps institutions.
nat.u
toronto 21:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
This template is HUGE, and really needs to be broken up into 2 templates. GreenJoe 17:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I removed Alfred · Kemptville · Ridgetown because 2 of the 3 simply re-direct to the Ontario Agricultural College. They're all campuses of the larger University of Guelph. If we include them, then we have to include every member college of the University of Toronto, to start. GreenJoe 21:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Nowhere on the provided website does it say they are publically funded. It only says "getting to know Ontario's universities." It's being challenged, thus an in-line citation is required to satisfy WP:CITE. GreenJoe 23:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
What is the difference between this section and the "Privately Funded Institutions"? Could RCC and CMCC not be moved into the Privately Funded Institutions section? DigitalC ( talk) 10:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Is Saint Paul University a private school? It is certainly federated with U Ottawa and is listed on its wikipedia page as being public. I believe it should be deleted from the template altogether, as other university colleges such as those at UWO are not listed. NEPats ( talk) 02:40, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Based on this document these are the ones I think should be included in the template, perhaps as their own category of affiliate colleges. They are certainly publicly funded up to a point in that part of their infrastructure funding comes from the province and their students are OSAP eligible. Furthermore, together these institutions represent tens of thousands of students which is a noteworthy aspect of post-secondary education in ontario
What do you guys think Dowew ( talk) 00:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Royal Military College is covered by provincial legislation, not federal. See also - The Royal Military College of Canada Degrees Act https://www.rmc-cmr.ca/en/college-commandants-office/about-royal-military-college-canada Me-123567-Me ( talk) 16:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)