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This template was considered for merging with Template:Palestinian territory development on 21 January 2013. The result of the discussion was "do not merge". |
I do not understand why you insist on keeping the older version of the template (by copying the old version to a separate template). Is it because you prefer that we'll have only one template covering topics related to the historic region of Palestine and topics related to the Palestinian people rather than having two separate templates with expanded coverage of the these two separate topics? Is it because you believe these topics would be better represented with the additions of maps? Is it because you believe there is no need for extensively expanded templates for these two separate sensitive topics?
In my opinion, only the two separate templates covering now these two topics extensively ( this template and this template) should be kept, while the older version of the template, which the user Oncenawhile restored into a new different name ( this template), should be removed for the following reasons:
Either way, for now I suggest that we wait and see what the rest of the community thinks we should do and eventually act in accordance with the consensus. TheCuriousGnome ( talk) 14:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't endorse either the "new" nor the "old" version, but I see another problem with these changes. There is one template "Palestine topics" (the three map division is interesting) and another one "Palestinian National Authority and the Palestinian people" - here is the problem, this template includes links to many different articles, including some historical ones or such that aren't strictly related to the PNA or aren't related at all to the PNA. Strangely it doesn't include a link to the Palestine Liberation Organization - quite important entity, internationally recognized as representative of the Palestinian people (see here). Also, arranging and naming the template in this way it seems like the PNA is the only entity and disregards the PLO and SoP. That's why I think that it's better the two templates to be merged (that with the many links can come below the other with three maps/columns). Alinor ( talk) 10:37, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Here is one example (I also added the missing links that are related to PLO and SoP):
the control over the region of Palestine has been in dispute for millenniums and unfortunately is still ongoing. The current dispute over the control of the region, which has been going on since the early 20th century, is between Israel and the Palestinians.
We can not resolve this age old dispute here on the English Wikipedia (and are not supposed to either) by suggesting that the control of the region of Palestine should belong to the Palestinian-Arab side or the Israeli side exclusively (this has currently been done by using the all inclusive namespace "Palestine topcis" with the header that links to an article about the historical region of Palestine, with a Palestinian-Arab flag and having only topics relating to Palestinian Arabs).
This is factually wrong and misleading.
Because of this, in order not anger or incite any of our readers we need to change the name of the template to a less POV title.
Because the all inclusive namespace "Palestine topcis" is factually wrong, FOR NOW, I am changing the name of the template to the more accurate and balanced name "Template:Palestinian nationalism and the region of Palestine". If anyone have any better suggestions for template name, please bring them up. the namespace "Palestine topics" would have a redirect to the "Template:Historic region of Palestine topics" instead. TheCuriousGnome ( talk) 20:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
@ Oncenawhile ( talk · contribs), do you recognize that identifying the region called Palestine with the Palestinian flag is a POV problem? If so, how do you propose to reconcile that problem, or what specifically to you take issue with vis-a-vis TheCuriousGnome ( talk · contribs)'s proposal?— Biosketch ( talk) 06:44, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Palestine Template‑class | |||||||
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This template was considered for merging with Template:Palestinian territory development on 21 January 2013. The result of the discussion was "do not merge". |
I do not understand why you insist on keeping the older version of the template (by copying the old version to a separate template). Is it because you prefer that we'll have only one template covering topics related to the historic region of Palestine and topics related to the Palestinian people rather than having two separate templates with expanded coverage of the these two separate topics? Is it because you believe these topics would be better represented with the additions of maps? Is it because you believe there is no need for extensively expanded templates for these two separate sensitive topics?
In my opinion, only the two separate templates covering now these two topics extensively ( this template and this template) should be kept, while the older version of the template, which the user Oncenawhile restored into a new different name ( this template), should be removed for the following reasons:
Either way, for now I suggest that we wait and see what the rest of the community thinks we should do and eventually act in accordance with the consensus. TheCuriousGnome ( talk) 14:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't endorse either the "new" nor the "old" version, but I see another problem with these changes. There is one template "Palestine topics" (the three map division is interesting) and another one "Palestinian National Authority and the Palestinian people" - here is the problem, this template includes links to many different articles, including some historical ones or such that aren't strictly related to the PNA or aren't related at all to the PNA. Strangely it doesn't include a link to the Palestine Liberation Organization - quite important entity, internationally recognized as representative of the Palestinian people (see here). Also, arranging and naming the template in this way it seems like the PNA is the only entity and disregards the PLO and SoP. That's why I think that it's better the two templates to be merged (that with the many links can come below the other with three maps/columns). Alinor ( talk) 10:37, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Here is one example (I also added the missing links that are related to PLO and SoP):
the control over the region of Palestine has been in dispute for millenniums and unfortunately is still ongoing. The current dispute over the control of the region, which has been going on since the early 20th century, is between Israel and the Palestinians.
We can not resolve this age old dispute here on the English Wikipedia (and are not supposed to either) by suggesting that the control of the region of Palestine should belong to the Palestinian-Arab side or the Israeli side exclusively (this has currently been done by using the all inclusive namespace "Palestine topcis" with the header that links to an article about the historical region of Palestine, with a Palestinian-Arab flag and having only topics relating to Palestinian Arabs).
This is factually wrong and misleading.
Because of this, in order not anger or incite any of our readers we need to change the name of the template to a less POV title.
Because the all inclusive namespace "Palestine topcis" is factually wrong, FOR NOW, I am changing the name of the template to the more accurate and balanced name "Template:Palestinian nationalism and the region of Palestine". If anyone have any better suggestions for template name, please bring them up. the namespace "Palestine topics" would have a redirect to the "Template:Historic region of Palestine topics" instead. TheCuriousGnome ( talk) 20:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
@ Oncenawhile ( talk · contribs), do you recognize that identifying the region called Palestine with the Palestinian flag is a POV problem? If so, how do you propose to reconcile that problem, or what specifically to you take issue with vis-a-vis TheCuriousGnome ( talk · contribs)'s proposal?— Biosketch ( talk) 06:44, 4 April 2011 (UTC)