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This template is intended to show the battles in fields and sea. Sieges and invasions are not field battles and their number in Ottoman history is very high; higher than a template may reasonably list. So I had to clear out several additions made by 77.83.212.157 . (But still most of his additions are untouched.) Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 10:41, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
battle: a sustained fight between large organized armed forces
You can have defensive and offensive parties in field battles as well. Seriously, the distinction seems to exist only in your head. 117 sieges are listed in the article, List of battles 1401–1800, including Ottoman siege of Constantinople and Belgrade. -- Mttll ( talk) 15:15, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
The duration specified in the title of this template is 1300-1900. It is true that the legal entity of the Ottoman Empire survived till 1922. But during 1900-1922 Ottoman Empire fought three major battles (War of Tripoli against Italy, Balkan wars against all Balkan countries and First World war against allies) and a major revolt (of Yemen) not to mention the civil war in 1920. The number of battles in this relatively short period is very high. So it is best to exclude those battles fought after 1900 from this template. But of course another template dedicated just for those 22 years can be created. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 09:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Changed to Template:Ottoman battles. Even in Turkish Wikipedia tr:Şablon:Osmanlı savaşları. Takabeg ( talk) 13:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
To my knowledge, they are established as the following:
Rise: 1299-1453 (Foundation to Constantinople)
Growth: 1453-1683 (Constantinople to Vienna)
Stagnation: 1683-1827 (Vienna to Navarino)
Decline: 1827-1908 (Navarino to Second Constitutional Era)
Dissolution: 1908-1918 (Second Constitutional Era to Mudros)
Yet, there is a difference approach in this article, but I don't know which historians use it nor do I understand the significance of the dates. -- Mttll ( talk) 14:39, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
This template has nine subsections. Four of them are for naval batles and the rest are for land battles. Feeling it is somewhat complicated, I used colors to distinguish land battles and naval battles. Blue is universally used to show water-related items and brown or khaki is used for land-releted items. But for reasons completely unknown to me, User:Frietjes keeps desaturating the colors. Her rationale wp:deviations actually doesn't forbid using colors. I'll call her. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 20:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
, so this means we should avoidIn general, styles for tables and other block-level elements should be set using CSS classes, not with inline style attributes.
|groupstyle=
or |group1style=
etc unless there is a very good reason not to do so. I, personally, find the excessive colouring to be unprofessional looking, and harder to read. there are plenty of navboxes with far more subgroups than this one that are doing just fine without arbitrary colouring. and, last time I checked, these colours are not universal.
Frietjes (
talk) 20:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
User Cplakidas has added " Fall of Constantinople" with the comment "most important battle of all missing." Well, I have no objection, but I want to make my point clear. I started this template and soon I realized that there is no standard definition of battle among the participants. My original aim was to list the open field (or sea) combats between two armies. But it soon turned out that the sieges and captures were also considered as battles. I am afraid there are too many of them. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 08:51, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Former countries: Ottoman Empire Template‑class | ||||||||||
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Military history: Ottoman Template‑class | |||||||||||||||||||
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This template is intended to show the battles in fields and sea. Sieges and invasions are not field battles and their number in Ottoman history is very high; higher than a template may reasonably list. So I had to clear out several additions made by 77.83.212.157 . (But still most of his additions are untouched.) Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 10:41, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
battle: a sustained fight between large organized armed forces
You can have defensive and offensive parties in field battles as well. Seriously, the distinction seems to exist only in your head. 117 sieges are listed in the article, List of battles 1401–1800, including Ottoman siege of Constantinople and Belgrade. -- Mttll ( talk) 15:15, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
The duration specified in the title of this template is 1300-1900. It is true that the legal entity of the Ottoman Empire survived till 1922. But during 1900-1922 Ottoman Empire fought three major battles (War of Tripoli against Italy, Balkan wars against all Balkan countries and First World war against allies) and a major revolt (of Yemen) not to mention the civil war in 1920. The number of battles in this relatively short period is very high. So it is best to exclude those battles fought after 1900 from this template. But of course another template dedicated just for those 22 years can be created. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 09:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Changed to Template:Ottoman battles. Even in Turkish Wikipedia tr:Şablon:Osmanlı savaşları. Takabeg ( talk) 13:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
To my knowledge, they are established as the following:
Rise: 1299-1453 (Foundation to Constantinople)
Growth: 1453-1683 (Constantinople to Vienna)
Stagnation: 1683-1827 (Vienna to Navarino)
Decline: 1827-1908 (Navarino to Second Constitutional Era)
Dissolution: 1908-1918 (Second Constitutional Era to Mudros)
Yet, there is a difference approach in this article, but I don't know which historians use it nor do I understand the significance of the dates. -- Mttll ( talk) 14:39, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
This template has nine subsections. Four of them are for naval batles and the rest are for land battles. Feeling it is somewhat complicated, I used colors to distinguish land battles and naval battles. Blue is universally used to show water-related items and brown or khaki is used for land-releted items. But for reasons completely unknown to me, User:Frietjes keeps desaturating the colors. Her rationale wp:deviations actually doesn't forbid using colors. I'll call her. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 20:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
, so this means we should avoidIn general, styles for tables and other block-level elements should be set using CSS classes, not with inline style attributes.
|groupstyle=
or |group1style=
etc unless there is a very good reason not to do so. I, personally, find the excessive colouring to be unprofessional looking, and harder to read. there are plenty of navboxes with far more subgroups than this one that are doing just fine without arbitrary colouring. and, last time I checked, these colours are not universal.
Frietjes (
talk) 20:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
User Cplakidas has added " Fall of Constantinople" with the comment "most important battle of all missing." Well, I have no objection, but I want to make my point clear. I started this template and soon I realized that there is no standard definition of battle among the participants. My original aim was to list the open field (or sea) combats between two armies. But it soon turned out that the sieges and captures were also considered as battles. I am afraid there are too many of them. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 08:51, 1 March 2017 (UTC)