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What is the source for Obama`s Chief of staff? ABC101090 ( talk) 23:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
The cabinet members section is wrong, these are not his cabinet members. He doesn't have any yet. They are potential nominations. They first have to be nominated by him and then confirmed by the Senate. You can't assume they'll be confirmed months ahead of the confirmation hearings, or that he'll even decide to actually nominate them after he becomes president. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.60.107 ( talk) 23:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Please wait to post information here until it has been officially announced by the Obama camp. Sweet Pea 1981 ( talk) 03:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Its been confirmed by several different news sources that Hillary Clinton has accepted the offering of Secretary of State by the Obama transition team. They will make their formal announcement after Thanksgiving, but several different news agencies have confirmed that she will be the next Secretary of State [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by RiseRobotRise ( talk • contribs) 21:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Why remove the columns I'd put in? I thought they looked nice and nicely compacted the box.— Markles 23:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that this template, for the time being, be renamed to "prospective Obama Cabinet" or something similar. ABC101090 ( talk) 23:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I understand the division into Cabinet and Cabinet-level, but is there any reason those two are set to autocollapse inside the already autocollapsed template? I find it annoying to have to expand the both of them. I suppose someone might not see the Cabinet-level officials, but perhaps we could remove them like in the templates for Cabinets before W. Bush's and have just one expansion step for this template. Thoughts?-- chaser - t 17:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a reputable source and this would argue otherwise. Therequiembellishere ( talk) 20:41, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
We learned about the Cabinet during my public administration class in undergrad. In brief, the 15 leaders of "executive departments" (that's what's mentioned in the Constitution) make up the Cabinet, plus (by tradition) the VP, heads of the EPA and OMB, drug czar, and trade rep. Presidents ask other officials to sit in on their weekly Cabinet meetings, which is how those officials get "Cabinet-rank". The Senate has nothing to do with it (though the Senate may confirm the officials for the jobs they have, this doesn't directly effect whether or not they become Cabinet-rank, which remains Presidential prerogative). Though this article is aimed at high school students, it helpfully lays out these points [6]. Additionally, my understanding is that the modern all-powerful chief of staff is always at Cabinet meetings. Bush's chiefs were less powerful, but were still apparently Cabinet-level.
As to whether the NSA is a Cabinet-level official, only Obama can make that decision. Bush's Cabinet did not include the NSA. I have no idea what Clinton did. I'd say that it would probably be best to wait and see what Obama does before adding anything that's not part of the Cabinet tradition and that the current President hasn't done.-- chaser - t 02:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
As I noted above, there is no explicit definition of the term "Cabinet" in either the United States Code or the Code of Federal Regulations. And Presidents define what they term as Cabinet-level. As many acknowledge, the Chief of Staff to the President is not the head of any Agency or Department and in modern times has been considered Cabinet-level. Presidents have unilaterally elevated positions within the Executive to be considered Cabinet level. Ford for example made the made the United States Trade Representative "Cabinet level" though not "in" the Cabinet itself. Under President George W. Bush, Cabinet-level rank also has been accorded to the Administrator, Environmental Protection Agency; Director, Office of Management and Budget; and the Director of National Drug Control Policy. But a clear example of an Administration considering the National Security Advisor as "Cabinet-Level" is from the archives of the Carter Presidency offical statement:
Personal Statements of Cabinet and Cabinet-Level Officers Announcement of Release of the Documents.
February 25, 1977
The White House today released, in an unprecedented action, personal statements from 15 Cabinet and Cabinet-level officers disclosing their financial situations, detailing steps they are taking to avoid conflicts of interest, and expressing their commitment to avoid certain activities following their Federal service.
The release of the documents fulfilled a campaign promise by President Carter and represented the first time a President had required public disclosure of such information from his top officials.
The statements came from:
SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE BOB S. BERGLAND
SECRETARY OF COMMERCE JUANITA M. KREPS
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE HAROLD BROWN
SECRETARY OF HEALTH, EDUCATION, AND WELFARE JOSEPH A. CALIFANO, JR.
SECRETARY OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT PATRICIA ROBERTS HARRIS
SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR CECIL D. ANDRUS
ATTORNEY GENERAL GRIFFIN B. BELL
SECRETARY OF LABOR F. RAY MARSHALL
SECRETARY OF STATE CYRUS R. VANCE
SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION BROCK ADAMS
SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY W. MICHAEL M. BLUMENTHAL
CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNCIL OF ECONOMIC ADVISERS CHARLES L. SCHULTZE
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI
DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET THOMAS B. LANCE
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE TO THE UNITED NATIONS ANDREW YOUNG
Each statement consists of five parts. These are: a summary of action taken to avoid possible conflicts of interest, a statement of net worth, a statement of 1976 income, a statement of personal affiliations, and a letter of commitment to the President.
(emphasis mine)
With that showing that at least one modern Administration made public statements that the NSA is a "Cabinet-level" position within that administration, I would also point out that the Template:Infobox U.S. Cabinet itself is set up already to include the NSA, as well as Postmaster General, Veterans Affairs, Secretary of the Navy, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs as well as heads of the CIA and FBI. While that in and of itself can be argued that it is not a valid source, I posit this point of this infobox is a navigation tool for the use of readers to find the top positions within an administration which includes those explicitly named as being in the Cabinet itself, as well as those while not named as being 'in the Cabinet, are "Cabinet-Level" as matter of import, scope and/or power within an administration. So while I have cited a direct example of an Administration issuing statements that the NSA "Cabinet-Level", I would argue that we keep and use the infobox parameters which include the NSA as well as other "Cabinet-Level" positions as it already has set up. Lestatdelc ( talk) 05:08, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
This conflict seems to be over. I've also found a way to put the Cabinet level officials side by side with the Cabinet officials. I tested it in Firefox, IE and Chrome, but please let me know if there are any glitches.-- chaser - t 02:32, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Someone should change the templete accordingly. [7] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spongesquid ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
According to NPR's article U.N. Envoy Nominee Rice Known As Smart, Tough:
"The head of the United Nations Foundation, a Washington-based advocacy group, released a statement praising Rice as well as Obama's decision to make the post of U.N. ambassador a Cabinet-level position once again — as it was during the Clinton years."
The position should most definitely be added back into the template. Lestatdelc ( talk) 23:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Rep. Becerra Offered Trade Representative Post
WaPo, AP, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, and FNC have all anounced that Gen. Eric Shinseki will be chosen as the Veterans Secretary. Should he be added? 75.180.235.209 ( talk) 23:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Pres.-elect Obama announced him today as new Sec. of HUD. Shouldn't it be in the template? Cassandro ( talk) 12:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
The Prresident-Elect chose Arne Duncan as Education Sec. -- Briaboru ( talk) 18:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Various folks have been removing cabinet picks that the press has reported on but that the campaign has not yet officially announced [10] [11]. I think this is improper. The standard for inclusion of information is verifiability, as for everything else on Wikipedia. If we were going by "official" nominations, then this template should be empty despite the announcements. Obama can't submit any names to the Senate until he takes office (not that that will stop them from holding hearings so as to get the cabinet confirmed quickly). As to Lahood, there is plenty of verification that he is Obama's Transportation nominee [12] [13] [14].-- chaser - t 23:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Aside from pointing out which positions are cabinet-level vs. actually being in the cabinet (which can easily be amended), doesn't this template duplicate Template:Obama Administration personnel or at least the child template Template:Obama personnel, Cabinet-level child-template? ~ Paul T +/ C 20:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Is there a way we can put that article into this template or some similar template? Spinach Monster ( talk) 02:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Gates tenure in Obama's cabinet, as Secy of Defense, begins in 2009. We've done this with other cabinet officials who've served from one cabinet to the next 'no stop'. For example: see William Seward or Dean Rusk. GoodDay ( talk) 23:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
According to the White House website, the Vice President is part of the cabinet (not just cabinet level): "The Cabinet includes the Vice President and the heads of 15 executive departments" [16]. This should be fixed in the template. 96.25.248.210 ( talk) 01:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
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Please change the link to cabinet members from "cabinet of the United Kingdom" to "Cabinet of the United States"
71.92.50.160 ( talk) 03:20, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Do we keep acting Secretaries listed once the office is filled after the nominee is confirmed? Or will those persons than be removed. On the one hand it's strange to list people who in the turnover from first term to second term were acting Secretaries for less than a month (for instance Poneman in the timespan between the time Chu's resignation became effective and Moniz's confirmation by the Senate), on the other hand Rebecca Blank has been acting Secretary for nearly a year already... I propose to delete SHORT TERM acting Secretaries once the office they were acting for has been filled by a confimed Secterary but to have the acting Secretay listed as long as they are acting in such function. I would also make an exception to acting secretaries who are long term acting like Blank or Zients. -- fdewaele, 17 May 2013, 9:03 CET.
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Change "since 2009" to "2009-2017", per Trump's inauguration. Also update each of the cabinet members entries year brackets, with them ending in 2017. All Obama cabinet members are out of office, with either Trump's nominees or a stand-in in their places. AmaryllisGardener talk 01:33, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Article links that need changing: Thomas Perez → Tom Perez; John King, Jr. → John King Jr. APM ( talk) 23:02, 25 February 2017 (UTC)AmorPatiturMoras
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I would recommend moving the "Vice President" row to the top of the "Cabinet" section rather than have it listed under the "Cabinet-level" section. 2600:1700:2390:D50:8037:A261:859:B418 ( talk) 01:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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What is the source for Obama`s Chief of staff? ABC101090 ( talk) 23:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
The cabinet members section is wrong, these are not his cabinet members. He doesn't have any yet. They are potential nominations. They first have to be nominated by him and then confirmed by the Senate. You can't assume they'll be confirmed months ahead of the confirmation hearings, or that he'll even decide to actually nominate them after he becomes president. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.60.107 ( talk) 23:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Please wait to post information here until it has been officially announced by the Obama camp. Sweet Pea 1981 ( talk) 03:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Its been confirmed by several different news sources that Hillary Clinton has accepted the offering of Secretary of State by the Obama transition team. They will make their formal announcement after Thanksgiving, but several different news agencies have confirmed that she will be the next Secretary of State [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by RiseRobotRise ( talk • contribs) 21:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Why remove the columns I'd put in? I thought they looked nice and nicely compacted the box.— Markles 23:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that this template, for the time being, be renamed to "prospective Obama Cabinet" or something similar. ABC101090 ( talk) 23:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I understand the division into Cabinet and Cabinet-level, but is there any reason those two are set to autocollapse inside the already autocollapsed template? I find it annoying to have to expand the both of them. I suppose someone might not see the Cabinet-level officials, but perhaps we could remove them like in the templates for Cabinets before W. Bush's and have just one expansion step for this template. Thoughts?-- chaser - t 17:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a reputable source and this would argue otherwise. Therequiembellishere ( talk) 20:41, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
We learned about the Cabinet during my public administration class in undergrad. In brief, the 15 leaders of "executive departments" (that's what's mentioned in the Constitution) make up the Cabinet, plus (by tradition) the VP, heads of the EPA and OMB, drug czar, and trade rep. Presidents ask other officials to sit in on their weekly Cabinet meetings, which is how those officials get "Cabinet-rank". The Senate has nothing to do with it (though the Senate may confirm the officials for the jobs they have, this doesn't directly effect whether or not they become Cabinet-rank, which remains Presidential prerogative). Though this article is aimed at high school students, it helpfully lays out these points [6]. Additionally, my understanding is that the modern all-powerful chief of staff is always at Cabinet meetings. Bush's chiefs were less powerful, but were still apparently Cabinet-level.
As to whether the NSA is a Cabinet-level official, only Obama can make that decision. Bush's Cabinet did not include the NSA. I have no idea what Clinton did. I'd say that it would probably be best to wait and see what Obama does before adding anything that's not part of the Cabinet tradition and that the current President hasn't done.-- chaser - t 02:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
As I noted above, there is no explicit definition of the term "Cabinet" in either the United States Code or the Code of Federal Regulations. And Presidents define what they term as Cabinet-level. As many acknowledge, the Chief of Staff to the President is not the head of any Agency or Department and in modern times has been considered Cabinet-level. Presidents have unilaterally elevated positions within the Executive to be considered Cabinet level. Ford for example made the made the United States Trade Representative "Cabinet level" though not "in" the Cabinet itself. Under President George W. Bush, Cabinet-level rank also has been accorded to the Administrator, Environmental Protection Agency; Director, Office of Management and Budget; and the Director of National Drug Control Policy. But a clear example of an Administration considering the National Security Advisor as "Cabinet-Level" is from the archives of the Carter Presidency offical statement:
Personal Statements of Cabinet and Cabinet-Level Officers Announcement of Release of the Documents.
February 25, 1977
The White House today released, in an unprecedented action, personal statements from 15 Cabinet and Cabinet-level officers disclosing their financial situations, detailing steps they are taking to avoid conflicts of interest, and expressing their commitment to avoid certain activities following their Federal service.
The release of the documents fulfilled a campaign promise by President Carter and represented the first time a President had required public disclosure of such information from his top officials.
The statements came from:
SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE BOB S. BERGLAND
SECRETARY OF COMMERCE JUANITA M. KREPS
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE HAROLD BROWN
SECRETARY OF HEALTH, EDUCATION, AND WELFARE JOSEPH A. CALIFANO, JR.
SECRETARY OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT PATRICIA ROBERTS HARRIS
SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR CECIL D. ANDRUS
ATTORNEY GENERAL GRIFFIN B. BELL
SECRETARY OF LABOR F. RAY MARSHALL
SECRETARY OF STATE CYRUS R. VANCE
SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION BROCK ADAMS
SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY W. MICHAEL M. BLUMENTHAL
CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNCIL OF ECONOMIC ADVISERS CHARLES L. SCHULTZE
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI
DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET THOMAS B. LANCE
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE TO THE UNITED NATIONS ANDREW YOUNG
Each statement consists of five parts. These are: a summary of action taken to avoid possible conflicts of interest, a statement of net worth, a statement of 1976 income, a statement of personal affiliations, and a letter of commitment to the President.
(emphasis mine)
With that showing that at least one modern Administration made public statements that the NSA is a "Cabinet-level" position within that administration, I would also point out that the Template:Infobox U.S. Cabinet itself is set up already to include the NSA, as well as Postmaster General, Veterans Affairs, Secretary of the Navy, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs as well as heads of the CIA and FBI. While that in and of itself can be argued that it is not a valid source, I posit this point of this infobox is a navigation tool for the use of readers to find the top positions within an administration which includes those explicitly named as being in the Cabinet itself, as well as those while not named as being 'in the Cabinet, are "Cabinet-Level" as matter of import, scope and/or power within an administration. So while I have cited a direct example of an Administration issuing statements that the NSA "Cabinet-Level", I would argue that we keep and use the infobox parameters which include the NSA as well as other "Cabinet-Level" positions as it already has set up. Lestatdelc ( talk) 05:08, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
This conflict seems to be over. I've also found a way to put the Cabinet level officials side by side with the Cabinet officials. I tested it in Firefox, IE and Chrome, but please let me know if there are any glitches.-- chaser - t 02:32, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Someone should change the templete accordingly. [7] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spongesquid ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
According to NPR's article U.N. Envoy Nominee Rice Known As Smart, Tough:
"The head of the United Nations Foundation, a Washington-based advocacy group, released a statement praising Rice as well as Obama's decision to make the post of U.N. ambassador a Cabinet-level position once again — as it was during the Clinton years."
The position should most definitely be added back into the template. Lestatdelc ( talk) 23:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Rep. Becerra Offered Trade Representative Post
WaPo, AP, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, and FNC have all anounced that Gen. Eric Shinseki will be chosen as the Veterans Secretary. Should he be added? 75.180.235.209 ( talk) 23:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Pres.-elect Obama announced him today as new Sec. of HUD. Shouldn't it be in the template? Cassandro ( talk) 12:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
The Prresident-Elect chose Arne Duncan as Education Sec. -- Briaboru ( talk) 18:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Various folks have been removing cabinet picks that the press has reported on but that the campaign has not yet officially announced [10] [11]. I think this is improper. The standard for inclusion of information is verifiability, as for everything else on Wikipedia. If we were going by "official" nominations, then this template should be empty despite the announcements. Obama can't submit any names to the Senate until he takes office (not that that will stop them from holding hearings so as to get the cabinet confirmed quickly). As to Lahood, there is plenty of verification that he is Obama's Transportation nominee [12] [13] [14].-- chaser - t 23:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Aside from pointing out which positions are cabinet-level vs. actually being in the cabinet (which can easily be amended), doesn't this template duplicate Template:Obama Administration personnel or at least the child template Template:Obama personnel, Cabinet-level child-template? ~ Paul T +/ C 20:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Is there a way we can put that article into this template or some similar template? Spinach Monster ( talk) 02:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Gates tenure in Obama's cabinet, as Secy of Defense, begins in 2009. We've done this with other cabinet officials who've served from one cabinet to the next 'no stop'. For example: see William Seward or Dean Rusk. GoodDay ( talk) 23:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
According to the White House website, the Vice President is part of the cabinet (not just cabinet level): "The Cabinet includes the Vice President and the heads of 15 executive departments" [16]. This should be fixed in the template. 96.25.248.210 ( talk) 01:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
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Please change the link to cabinet members from "cabinet of the United Kingdom" to "Cabinet of the United States"
71.92.50.160 ( talk) 03:20, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Do we keep acting Secretaries listed once the office is filled after the nominee is confirmed? Or will those persons than be removed. On the one hand it's strange to list people who in the turnover from first term to second term were acting Secretaries for less than a month (for instance Poneman in the timespan between the time Chu's resignation became effective and Moniz's confirmation by the Senate), on the other hand Rebecca Blank has been acting Secretary for nearly a year already... I propose to delete SHORT TERM acting Secretaries once the office they were acting for has been filled by a confimed Secterary but to have the acting Secretay listed as long as they are acting in such function. I would also make an exception to acting secretaries who are long term acting like Blank or Zients. -- fdewaele, 17 May 2013, 9:03 CET.
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Change "since 2009" to "2009-2017", per Trump's inauguration. Also update each of the cabinet members entries year brackets, with them ending in 2017. All Obama cabinet members are out of office, with either Trump's nominees or a stand-in in their places. AmaryllisGardener talk 01:33, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Article links that need changing: Thomas Perez → Tom Perez; John King, Jr. → John King Jr. APM ( talk) 23:02, 25 February 2017 (UTC)AmorPatiturMoras
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I would recommend moving the "Vice President" row to the top of the "Cabinet" section rather than have it listed under the "Cabinet-level" section. 2600:1700:2390:D50:8037:A261:859:B418 ( talk) 01:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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