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Some comments on various formating issues:
Template Name: This should be standardized. I propose Template:Nobel laureates in ... for all boxes.
Header: I propose two separate links: Nobel (Memorial) Prize in ... linking to the main entry, then colon, then Laureates link to the list of laureates in the discipline
Year: This should precede the list of laureates, since it's sorted by year not laureates. I also recommend removing the visual clutter (parentheses and vertical lines) and go with a simple colon. Proposed format: 72: Hicks· Arrow
Separators: I'm ambivalent between commas and the alt-0183 dot. The dot has the advantage that it keeps all laureates within one year in a single line. The comma is the established form. I removed all and's since "and" has a specific meaning in Nobel Prizes (sharing vs. splitting) which isn't reflected in this list. ~ trialsanderrors 20:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
There's some edit warring over the title here. Given that Economics is a special case in the Awards, I can see the argument for it having a different name. Can this be discussed by the parties in question? Chris Cunningham 13:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I've protected this page due to ongoing edit warring over the prize's title. I've included a time limit, but will re-protect it if there's no consensus. I recommend running an RFC to get more outside inquiry, and perhaps soliciting some advice from WT:NAME and other relevant talk pages. I trust that I've fulfilled my adminly duties and have protected the Wrong Version, so you don't need to tell me about that.
I've also protected:
Note that there's significant discussion at Template talk:Nobel Prize in Economics Laureates 2001-2025. I think discussion on this issue should be centralized here to avoid WP:MULTI.
If changes need to be made to these templates that are not related to the prize's title, you can contact me, any other admin, or use the {{ editprotected}} template. Thanks. Cool Hand Luke 20:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I would like to end this really lame edit war. So let's take a look at this template's history:
Dates | Title | Changed by |
2006-05-13 - 2006-10-04 | Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics | (Original name) |
2006-10-04 - 2006-10-23 | Nobel Prize in Economics (+move) | Vision Thing |
2006-10-23 - 2007-03-18 | Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences | Liftarn |
2007-03-18 - 2007-09-01 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Camptown |
2007-09-01 - 2007-10-08 | Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics | Emerson7 |
2007-10-08 - 2007-10-11 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Vision Thing |
2007-10-11 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-11 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Vision Thing |
2007-10-11 - 2007-10-13 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-13 | Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics | Anthon.Eff |
2007-10-13 - 2007-10-15 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Lost.goblin |
2007-10-15 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-15 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Lost.goblin |
2007-10-15 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-15 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Camptown |
2007-10-16 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-16 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Camptown |
2007-10-17 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-17 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Vision Thing |
2007-10-18 | Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Panda |
2007-10-18 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Camptown |
2007-10-18 | Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Panda |
2007-10-18 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Camptown |
2007-10-19 | Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Panda |
2007-10-19 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Vision Thing |
Looking at the edits in the last few weeks, the following names are apparently not acceptable by all parties involved and have been the cause of the edit war:
So I propose to change the name of the template and the title in the template to something other than the above three names. That would leave:
Insisting on keeping the name at any of the three that have caused the edit war would indicate that you are only interested in continuing this edit war. Comments? –panda 01:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Are we talking about the name of the template or the name in the template? The name in the template should be the official name rather than a nickname. The name of the template shold probably be as short as possible without sacrificing accuracy so there would "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics" probably be best. // Liftarn
Given only those two choises I would go with "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences" since it has more Google hits (44,500 vs 26,500 for "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics") and it seems to be the official short form. [1] I would still prefer the full name in the template since there is no real lack of space or anything. // Liftarn
The name of the template should be same as the name of the main article. For the name in the template I would be willing to accept Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics as a compromise. -- Vision Thing -- 15:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I have no personal opinions about either name. Just wanted to point out that "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences" is used by Encyclopaedia Britannica ( 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, etc), the Associated Press ( [2] [3]), the New York Times ( 2007 laureates, 2001 laureates Milton Friedman dies, 2006), universities ( UChicago UChicago UCSD, George Mason), the US Department of State ( 2007 2006), etc. –panda 16:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
It's very strange to see the sides switch on popularity. "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences" is interesting because it's more popular than either full name versions on yankee google, but it's much less common than "Nobel Prize in Economics." I find this especially curious because it does sound weird, but it's commonly used anyway. Feel free to add to this table if it's helpful:
name | google.com | google.co.uk "in UK" |
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"Prize in Economics" includes all of "Nobel Prize in Economics" |
578,000 | 46,300 |
"Nobel Prize in Economics" includes all instances of "Nobel Prize in economics" |
512,000 | 43,200 |
"Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences" | 42,000 | 540 |
"Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel" | 39,700 | 343 |
"Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel" | 32,200 | 185 |
"Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics" | 25,300 | 816 |
"Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Science" | 22,900 | 318 |
Cool Hand Luke 14:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there any chance that this discussion could move to Talk:Nobel Prize in Economics? It is quite ridiculous to have this arguments again and again in every page that is even remotely related to this prize (whatever you want to call it). Whatever your opinion, I just can't see any reason not to solve this once and for all and move on to do more useful work. And I certainly think that usage should be consistent across wikipedia, so discussing this again and again on every article that mentions the prize is just not an option. -- Uriel 16:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
It looks like 3 editors are in favor "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics", Panda is neutral, and only Liftarn is for "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences". I find Liftarn's opposition strange because in more than one occasion he reverted "Nobel Prize in Economics" to "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics". Maybe he is contrarian by nature. -- Vision Thing -- 16:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I added the term "Memorial" to the heading of this template and the sub-template to bring them in line with Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences, which is the currently fairly stable name of the article about Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, which is its full name. The logic is Nobel Prize = Nobel Laurate, Nobel Memorial Prize = Nobel Memorial Laurate; the template should not use a different terminology than the article. Tomas e ( talk) 11:24, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences laureates template. |
|
This template does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Some comments on various formating issues:
Template Name: This should be standardized. I propose Template:Nobel laureates in ... for all boxes.
Header: I propose two separate links: Nobel (Memorial) Prize in ... linking to the main entry, then colon, then Laureates link to the list of laureates in the discipline
Year: This should precede the list of laureates, since it's sorted by year not laureates. I also recommend removing the visual clutter (parentheses and vertical lines) and go with a simple colon. Proposed format: 72: Hicks· Arrow
Separators: I'm ambivalent between commas and the alt-0183 dot. The dot has the advantage that it keeps all laureates within one year in a single line. The comma is the established form. I removed all and's since "and" has a specific meaning in Nobel Prizes (sharing vs. splitting) which isn't reflected in this list. ~ trialsanderrors 20:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
There's some edit warring over the title here. Given that Economics is a special case in the Awards, I can see the argument for it having a different name. Can this be discussed by the parties in question? Chris Cunningham 13:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I've protected this page due to ongoing edit warring over the prize's title. I've included a time limit, but will re-protect it if there's no consensus. I recommend running an RFC to get more outside inquiry, and perhaps soliciting some advice from WT:NAME and other relevant talk pages. I trust that I've fulfilled my adminly duties and have protected the Wrong Version, so you don't need to tell me about that.
I've also protected:
Note that there's significant discussion at Template talk:Nobel Prize in Economics Laureates 2001-2025. I think discussion on this issue should be centralized here to avoid WP:MULTI.
If changes need to be made to these templates that are not related to the prize's title, you can contact me, any other admin, or use the {{ editprotected}} template. Thanks. Cool Hand Luke 20:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I would like to end this really lame edit war. So let's take a look at this template's history:
Dates | Title | Changed by |
2006-05-13 - 2006-10-04 | Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics | (Original name) |
2006-10-04 - 2006-10-23 | Nobel Prize in Economics (+move) | Vision Thing |
2006-10-23 - 2007-03-18 | Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences | Liftarn |
2007-03-18 - 2007-09-01 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Camptown |
2007-09-01 - 2007-10-08 | Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics | Emerson7 |
2007-10-08 - 2007-10-11 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Vision Thing |
2007-10-11 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-11 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Vision Thing |
2007-10-11 - 2007-10-13 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-13 | Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics | Anthon.Eff |
2007-10-13 - 2007-10-15 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Lost.goblin |
2007-10-15 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-15 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Lost.goblin |
2007-10-15 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-15 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Camptown |
2007-10-16 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-16 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Camptown |
2007-10-17 | Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Liftarn |
2007-10-17 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Vision Thing |
2007-10-18 | Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Panda |
2007-10-18 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Camptown |
2007-10-18 | Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Panda |
2007-10-18 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Camptown |
2007-10-19 | Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel | Panda |
2007-10-19 | Nobel Prize in Economics | Vision Thing |
Looking at the edits in the last few weeks, the following names are apparently not acceptable by all parties involved and have been the cause of the edit war:
So I propose to change the name of the template and the title in the template to something other than the above three names. That would leave:
Insisting on keeping the name at any of the three that have caused the edit war would indicate that you are only interested in continuing this edit war. Comments? –panda 01:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Are we talking about the name of the template or the name in the template? The name in the template should be the official name rather than a nickname. The name of the template shold probably be as short as possible without sacrificing accuracy so there would "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics" probably be best. // Liftarn
Given only those two choises I would go with "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences" since it has more Google hits (44,500 vs 26,500 for "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics") and it seems to be the official short form. [1] I would still prefer the full name in the template since there is no real lack of space or anything. // Liftarn
The name of the template should be same as the name of the main article. For the name in the template I would be willing to accept Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics as a compromise. -- Vision Thing -- 15:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I have no personal opinions about either name. Just wanted to point out that "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences" is used by Encyclopaedia Britannica ( 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, etc), the Associated Press ( [2] [3]), the New York Times ( 2007 laureates, 2001 laureates Milton Friedman dies, 2006), universities ( UChicago UChicago UCSD, George Mason), the US Department of State ( 2007 2006), etc. –panda 16:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
It's very strange to see the sides switch on popularity. "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences" is interesting because it's more popular than either full name versions on yankee google, but it's much less common than "Nobel Prize in Economics." I find this especially curious because it does sound weird, but it's commonly used anyway. Feel free to add to this table if it's helpful:
name | google.com | google.co.uk "in UK" |
---|---|---|
"Prize in Economics" includes all of "Nobel Prize in Economics" |
578,000 | 46,300 |
"Nobel Prize in Economics" includes all instances of "Nobel Prize in economics" |
512,000 | 43,200 |
"Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences" | 42,000 | 540 |
"Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel" | 39,700 | 343 |
"Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel" | 32,200 | 185 |
"Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics" | 25,300 | 816 |
"Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Science" | 22,900 | 318 |
Cool Hand Luke 14:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there any chance that this discussion could move to Talk:Nobel Prize in Economics? It is quite ridiculous to have this arguments again and again in every page that is even remotely related to this prize (whatever you want to call it). Whatever your opinion, I just can't see any reason not to solve this once and for all and move on to do more useful work. And I certainly think that usage should be consistent across wikipedia, so discussing this again and again on every article that mentions the prize is just not an option. -- Uriel 16:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
It looks like 3 editors are in favor "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics", Panda is neutral, and only Liftarn is for "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences". I find Liftarn's opposition strange because in more than one occasion he reverted "Nobel Prize in Economics" to "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics". Maybe he is contrarian by nature. -- Vision Thing -- 16:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I added the term "Memorial" to the heading of this template and the sub-template to bring them in line with Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences, which is the currently fairly stable name of the article about Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, which is its full name. The logic is Nobel Prize = Nobel Laurate, Nobel Memorial Prize = Nobel Memorial Laurate; the template should not use a different terminology than the article. Tomas e ( talk) 11:24, 12 October 2009 (UTC)