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"afghanistani american" is far less common:
if you check on yahoo search, you'll see that the word "afghan american" has been used in 33 million places, while the word "afghanistani american" only used in 56,000 places.
The term Afghan: a native or inhabitant of Afghanistan" clik here for merriam webster dictionary, in antiquity, has been synonymous with Pashtun. However, since the establishment of the modern state and the ratification of various versions of the Afghan constitution, all individuals within the borders of Afghanistan are referred to as Afghans and are bound by the same rights and responsibilities under the law: "Article Four of the Preamble: The word Afghan shall apply to every citizen of Afghanistan. No individual of the nation of Afghanistan shall be deprived of citizenship." click for constitution of afghanistan here
Article Four, of the constitution of afghanistan:
“ | National sovereignty in Afghanistan shall belong to the nation, manifested directly and through its elected representatives. The nation of Afghanistan is composed of all individuals who possess the citizenship of Afghanistan. The nation of Afghanistan shall be comprised of Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek, Turkman, Baluch, Pachaie, Nuristani, Aymaq, Arab, Qirghiz, Qizilbash, Gujur, Brahwui and other tribes. The word Afghan shall apply to every citizen of Afghanistan. No individual of the nation of Afghanistan shall be deprived of citizenship. The citizenship and asylum related matters shall be regulated by law. | ” |
the cia factbook on afghanistan uses Afghan, see here >>> CIA
this template needs to change "afghanistani" to >>>>"afghan". this is the best solution i can think of, if not then i am absolutely sure there will be many afghans coming here to complain in the future. it serves no purpose to leave it as is "afghanistani". Mirrori1 12:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
If it was decided (apparently) that there are no Middle Eastern Americans, when that article was deleted? SamEV 04:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Since you are the one who made this controversial edit please explain it prior to redoing it, based on AGF i'm presuming this wasn't some practical joke as you refused to explain yourself earlier [2].-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 20:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I believe that Yakuts Americans should are in the template "American Middle East" (Yakuts are not Russian Europeans because they are of the east of Russia, in Asia). I believe the Yakut American should be put in some template related with this group for that they are more easy localized in the articles of ethic groups of United States and, because they are culturally Turkish, I believe more appropriate to include in the template "American Middle East". I would wanted to get their views on the incorporation of the American ethnic group to that template.-- Isinbill ( talk) 13:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I removed some non American links here: [3]
User Evildoer187 says that the argument I used for its removal is "Poorly reasoned deletions" and re ads the non American links: [4]
How does that make any sense? this is a template about "Middle Eastern American". How is the argument that links to non-American people shouldn't be here a "Poorly reasoned deletions" ? -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 16:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
The Jewish link on the template leads to the American Jews page. There are no Ashkenazi American, Sephardic American, etc pages. Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Italqim, and Romaniote Jews are included because they are the diaspora groups confirmed to have origins in the Middle East, which is what this template is for (i.e. "original peoples of the Middle East"). These ties appear to be absent in Yemenite Jews, but they're included anyway because they're from Yemen. Evildoer187 ( talk) 05:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Other templates (such as the European American one) have notes similar to the ones I've posted, so what's the problem with doing the same thing here? The template was fine as it was before, as it explicitly defined which Jews were Middle Eastern. All I am trying to do is make it less ambiguous. Evildoer187 ( talk) 02:28, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
"I don't know a single Ashkenazi Jewish American who consider themselves "Middle Eastern"."
Informal fallacies like this are not particularly useful either. Do you seriously believe that Jews are just "Poles, Russians, etc" who converted to Judaism, and not a distinct ethnic group with roots in the Middle East? If so, then I suggest you read this.
In any case, I'm removing all of the subcategories until we resolve this. Evildoer187 ( talk) 10:32, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
I went back to put the template as it was prior, to more easily reach the articles of ethnic groups of Middle Eastern Americans and need not look at wikipedia the articles individually or categories. There are no articles on wikipedia about Caucasians, Turkic Americans. If you remove the links that lead to the different ethnic groups in these two categories, we can not enter in your articles, unless that seek one by one on wikipedia, because it will no are in the template. Nor, will be in the template no article that will lead us to the articles of these ethnic groups. This is do more difficult things unnecessarily. -- Isinbill ( talk) 16:39, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Alright, then. We'll leave the template as it currently stands until there are appropriate Ashkenazi American/Sephardi American/Mizrahi American etc links to include. Evildoer187 ( talk) 22:09, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
I have no idea why you took issue with that edit. All I did was alphabetize it. Evildoer187 ( talk) 08:07, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
I do not understand why Caucasus and Turkic peoples are linked. I agree that the the words "Caucasus" and "Turkic" should be included for organization but they do not link to an American group which could cause slight confusion. The subgroups are sufficient as links to assist the reader while researching the specific topic. Cptnono ( talk) 19:01, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Template:Central Asian American has been nominated for merging with Template:Middle Eastern American. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 04:25, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
This is regarding my edit from 15:07, 3 September 2015, which was reverted by MaronitePride. Since there are many ethnic subgroups of Jews, including those from the modern state of Israel, I thought it would make sense to invert the tree and make "Israeli" a subcategory of "Jewish". Categorizing primarily by ethnicity rather than by country makes more sense here. It also allows us to focus on the many distinct sub-ethnicities of Jews, which I listed in my edit.
I understand that the articles I used were not specific to American Ashkenazim, etc, but lack of such an article shouldn't exclude them from this list. They deserve to be listed here, because of their significant presence in the US. In fact, including them here could encourage someone to write articles focused on the American communities. Could we restore the edit? Musashiaharon ( talk) 22:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
I propose the removal of Afghan Americans from the Middle Eastern Americans template, firstly because Afghans are not considered Middle Eastern and secondly because there was a source that was present on this template that can not be found and I can't find any source that strictly says Afghan Americans are Middle Eastern Americans thus meaning that Afghans are not Middle Eastern or Middle Eastern American. I believe they should only be considered as a Central Asian American group, meaning they should only be present on the Central Asian American template, where they are already listed as such and not here on the Middle Eastern template or the Middle Eastern Americans Wikipedia page. No other Central Asian group is listed as Middle Eastern here, so Afghans should not either. The definition present on the main article says, "the term "Middle Eastern American" applies to anyone of Western Asian and North African (Middle Eastern) extraction" Afghanis are not from West Asia or North Africa. ( 110.148.158.71 ( talk) 05:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC))
I seemed to have made some kind of editing mistake on this template, but I can't figure out what. Gringo300 ( talk) 17:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
United States Template‑class | |||||||
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Ethnic groups NA‑class | ||||||||||||
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This template was considered for deletion on 12 January 2011. The result of the discussion was "no consensus". |
This template was considered for merging with Template:Central Asian American on 2015 February 23. The result of the discussion was "no consensus". |
"afghanistani american" is far less common:
if you check on yahoo search, you'll see that the word "afghan american" has been used in 33 million places, while the word "afghanistani american" only used in 56,000 places.
The term Afghan: a native or inhabitant of Afghanistan" clik here for merriam webster dictionary, in antiquity, has been synonymous with Pashtun. However, since the establishment of the modern state and the ratification of various versions of the Afghan constitution, all individuals within the borders of Afghanistan are referred to as Afghans and are bound by the same rights and responsibilities under the law: "Article Four of the Preamble: The word Afghan shall apply to every citizen of Afghanistan. No individual of the nation of Afghanistan shall be deprived of citizenship." click for constitution of afghanistan here
Article Four, of the constitution of afghanistan:
“ | National sovereignty in Afghanistan shall belong to the nation, manifested directly and through its elected representatives. The nation of Afghanistan is composed of all individuals who possess the citizenship of Afghanistan. The nation of Afghanistan shall be comprised of Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek, Turkman, Baluch, Pachaie, Nuristani, Aymaq, Arab, Qirghiz, Qizilbash, Gujur, Brahwui and other tribes. The word Afghan shall apply to every citizen of Afghanistan. No individual of the nation of Afghanistan shall be deprived of citizenship. The citizenship and asylum related matters shall be regulated by law. | ” |
the cia factbook on afghanistan uses Afghan, see here >>> CIA
this template needs to change "afghanistani" to >>>>"afghan". this is the best solution i can think of, if not then i am absolutely sure there will be many afghans coming here to complain in the future. it serves no purpose to leave it as is "afghanistani". Mirrori1 12:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
If it was decided (apparently) that there are no Middle Eastern Americans, when that article was deleted? SamEV 04:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Since you are the one who made this controversial edit please explain it prior to redoing it, based on AGF i'm presuming this wasn't some practical joke as you refused to explain yourself earlier [2].-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 20:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I believe that Yakuts Americans should are in the template "American Middle East" (Yakuts are not Russian Europeans because they are of the east of Russia, in Asia). I believe the Yakut American should be put in some template related with this group for that they are more easy localized in the articles of ethic groups of United States and, because they are culturally Turkish, I believe more appropriate to include in the template "American Middle East". I would wanted to get their views on the incorporation of the American ethnic group to that template.-- Isinbill ( talk) 13:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I removed some non American links here: [3]
User Evildoer187 says that the argument I used for its removal is "Poorly reasoned deletions" and re ads the non American links: [4]
How does that make any sense? this is a template about "Middle Eastern American". How is the argument that links to non-American people shouldn't be here a "Poorly reasoned deletions" ? -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 16:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
The Jewish link on the template leads to the American Jews page. There are no Ashkenazi American, Sephardic American, etc pages. Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Italqim, and Romaniote Jews are included because they are the diaspora groups confirmed to have origins in the Middle East, which is what this template is for (i.e. "original peoples of the Middle East"). These ties appear to be absent in Yemenite Jews, but they're included anyway because they're from Yemen. Evildoer187 ( talk) 05:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Other templates (such as the European American one) have notes similar to the ones I've posted, so what's the problem with doing the same thing here? The template was fine as it was before, as it explicitly defined which Jews were Middle Eastern. All I am trying to do is make it less ambiguous. Evildoer187 ( talk) 02:28, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
"I don't know a single Ashkenazi Jewish American who consider themselves "Middle Eastern"."
Informal fallacies like this are not particularly useful either. Do you seriously believe that Jews are just "Poles, Russians, etc" who converted to Judaism, and not a distinct ethnic group with roots in the Middle East? If so, then I suggest you read this.
In any case, I'm removing all of the subcategories until we resolve this. Evildoer187 ( talk) 10:32, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
I went back to put the template as it was prior, to more easily reach the articles of ethnic groups of Middle Eastern Americans and need not look at wikipedia the articles individually or categories. There are no articles on wikipedia about Caucasians, Turkic Americans. If you remove the links that lead to the different ethnic groups in these two categories, we can not enter in your articles, unless that seek one by one on wikipedia, because it will no are in the template. Nor, will be in the template no article that will lead us to the articles of these ethnic groups. This is do more difficult things unnecessarily. -- Isinbill ( talk) 16:39, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Alright, then. We'll leave the template as it currently stands until there are appropriate Ashkenazi American/Sephardi American/Mizrahi American etc links to include. Evildoer187 ( talk) 22:09, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
I have no idea why you took issue with that edit. All I did was alphabetize it. Evildoer187 ( talk) 08:07, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
I do not understand why Caucasus and Turkic peoples are linked. I agree that the the words "Caucasus" and "Turkic" should be included for organization but they do not link to an American group which could cause slight confusion. The subgroups are sufficient as links to assist the reader while researching the specific topic. Cptnono ( talk) 19:01, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Template:Central Asian American has been nominated for merging with Template:Middle Eastern American. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 04:25, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
This is regarding my edit from 15:07, 3 September 2015, which was reverted by MaronitePride. Since there are many ethnic subgroups of Jews, including those from the modern state of Israel, I thought it would make sense to invert the tree and make "Israeli" a subcategory of "Jewish". Categorizing primarily by ethnicity rather than by country makes more sense here. It also allows us to focus on the many distinct sub-ethnicities of Jews, which I listed in my edit.
I understand that the articles I used were not specific to American Ashkenazim, etc, but lack of such an article shouldn't exclude them from this list. They deserve to be listed here, because of their significant presence in the US. In fact, including them here could encourage someone to write articles focused on the American communities. Could we restore the edit? Musashiaharon ( talk) 22:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
I propose the removal of Afghan Americans from the Middle Eastern Americans template, firstly because Afghans are not considered Middle Eastern and secondly because there was a source that was present on this template that can not be found and I can't find any source that strictly says Afghan Americans are Middle Eastern Americans thus meaning that Afghans are not Middle Eastern or Middle Eastern American. I believe they should only be considered as a Central Asian American group, meaning they should only be present on the Central Asian American template, where they are already listed as such and not here on the Middle Eastern template or the Middle Eastern Americans Wikipedia page. No other Central Asian group is listed as Middle Eastern here, so Afghans should not either. The definition present on the main article says, "the term "Middle Eastern American" applies to anyone of Western Asian and North African (Middle Eastern) extraction" Afghanis are not from West Asia or North Africa. ( 110.148.158.71 ( talk) 05:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC))
I seemed to have made some kind of editing mistake on this template, but I can't figure out what. Gringo300 ( talk) 17:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)