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This template was considered for deletion on 4 December 2009. The result of the discussion was "keep, with the suggestion to limit its use". |
This template was considered for deletion on 2011 November 14. The result of the discussion was "restrict usage to lists in the template". |
Does this template will go in every article about Russian people?-- Vojvodae please be free to write :) 16:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
One recurring theme from editors commenting in the deletion discussion has been that the icons in this template are inappropriate and should be removed. In particular, the pictures of individuals in the main body of the template are purely decorative and go against the guidelines established at WP:MOSICON. I've boldly removed all of the images from the main body. I've left the icons at the top, as the flags might actually communicate some information. -- RL0919 ( talk) 00:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
How about this?
Greyhood ( talk) 00:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
This compact and simple version, more suitable for easy navigation between articles.-- 85.140.46.135 ( talk) 03:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
With a hope of finally resolving the dispute I've implemented the following compromise solution:
Greyhood ( talk) 19:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Be careful about inserting too much nationalistic, us versus them, foreigners vs. " ethnic Russians", russians vs other foreigners kind of tendency. These kinds of divisive and nationalistic templaces are not very good in Wikipedia. It is same as creating "German people," "Indian people," "Chinese people" templates that naturally looks very "us versus them." If this discussess the suffering of Russians during World War 2 and other hardships, that is fine, but don't take this to the extreme and get overtly "ethnic Russian" and other extreme nationalistic and racist implications. 174.16.237.205 ( talk) 19:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Old title of the template looked more like subtle imperialism.... changed the name to reflect the content of the list better. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 23:58, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2009 December 4. It means, that you should change the template documentation according to the result (Keep with the strong suggestion to limit its use) and stop to use it in the pages of individuals (we have categories for it), but you even (!) did not change the documentation after closing of the discussion. I do not know why, but don't think that I gave up on this matter. It should be removed from the articles of individuals, and I will try to do it personally (!). For me has become apparent that you won't change anything until “гром не грянет”. -- 91.78.96.221 ( talk) 22:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, for a long time I haven't readded this template to the articles from where it has been deleted. My suggestion is simple - if the usual editors of some page find this template inappropriate, let them delete it from there and so be it. But there are also users who have found this template nice and useful, and it seems that majority of users just have no specific problems with this template at all. That's my opinion - this template does no harm nowhere in the present form, and is useful. But if anyone removes the template from some or even all the person articles I wouldn't object, but instead try to implement other, less controversial ways to provide near the same navigational functionality. Greyhood ( talk) 11:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree that it should never be used in articles of individual Russians and that it would better do without icons. Colchicum ( talk) 03:34, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Please comply with the decision and stop adding the templte to individual's pages. Ivan2007 ( talk) 22:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The term "Russian people" includes Russian citizens indeed but does not exclude people in the list who where not ethnic Russians or have nothing to do with current Russia. This looks like Russian territorial nationalism about parts former parts of Russia, hence it looks like imperialism to me. Citizenship is ethnicity free, thank god… — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 09:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
"People from Russia" is a good name for this template ! — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 14:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
213.246.83.86 ( talk) 04:20, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Russia: History Template‑class | ||||||||||
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This template was considered for deletion on 4 December 2009. The result of the discussion was "keep, with the suggestion to limit its use". |
This template was considered for deletion on 2011 November 14. The result of the discussion was "restrict usage to lists in the template". |
Does this template will go in every article about Russian people?-- Vojvodae please be free to write :) 16:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
One recurring theme from editors commenting in the deletion discussion has been that the icons in this template are inappropriate and should be removed. In particular, the pictures of individuals in the main body of the template are purely decorative and go against the guidelines established at WP:MOSICON. I've boldly removed all of the images from the main body. I've left the icons at the top, as the flags might actually communicate some information. -- RL0919 ( talk) 00:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
How about this?
Greyhood ( talk) 00:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
This compact and simple version, more suitable for easy navigation between articles.-- 85.140.46.135 ( talk) 03:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
With a hope of finally resolving the dispute I've implemented the following compromise solution:
Greyhood ( talk) 19:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Be careful about inserting too much nationalistic, us versus them, foreigners vs. " ethnic Russians", russians vs other foreigners kind of tendency. These kinds of divisive and nationalistic templaces are not very good in Wikipedia. It is same as creating "German people," "Indian people," "Chinese people" templates that naturally looks very "us versus them." If this discussess the suffering of Russians during World War 2 and other hardships, that is fine, but don't take this to the extreme and get overtly "ethnic Russian" and other extreme nationalistic and racist implications. 174.16.237.205 ( talk) 19:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Old title of the template looked more like subtle imperialism.... changed the name to reflect the content of the list better. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 23:58, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2009 December 4. It means, that you should change the template documentation according to the result (Keep with the strong suggestion to limit its use) and stop to use it in the pages of individuals (we have categories for it), but you even (!) did not change the documentation after closing of the discussion. I do not know why, but don't think that I gave up on this matter. It should be removed from the articles of individuals, and I will try to do it personally (!). For me has become apparent that you won't change anything until “гром не грянет”. -- 91.78.96.221 ( talk) 22:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, for a long time I haven't readded this template to the articles from where it has been deleted. My suggestion is simple - if the usual editors of some page find this template inappropriate, let them delete it from there and so be it. But there are also users who have found this template nice and useful, and it seems that majority of users just have no specific problems with this template at all. That's my opinion - this template does no harm nowhere in the present form, and is useful. But if anyone removes the template from some or even all the person articles I wouldn't object, but instead try to implement other, less controversial ways to provide near the same navigational functionality. Greyhood ( talk) 11:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree that it should never be used in articles of individual Russians and that it would better do without icons. Colchicum ( talk) 03:34, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Please comply with the decision and stop adding the templte to individual's pages. Ivan2007 ( talk) 22:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The term "Russian people" includes Russian citizens indeed but does not exclude people in the list who where not ethnic Russians or have nothing to do with current Russia. This looks like Russian territorial nationalism about parts former parts of Russia, hence it looks like imperialism to me. Citizenship is ethnicity free, thank god… — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 09:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
"People from Russia" is a good name for this template ! — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 14:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
213.246.83.86 ( talk) 04:20, 13 December 2010 (UTC)