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Hi TheCurrencyGuy. I am pondering several improvements to the table(s). For example:
dollar-$
), usually automated available; should include historical table.What do you think? DePiep ( talk) 08:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
$
. Alternatively, {{
char}} $ is more subtle but there have been challenges about when and where it should be used. (It was the source of my only block ever, albeit due to a cock-up not a conspiracy.)I guess more fundamentally we need to ask what is the purpose of the template? Where is it used and why? It seems to me that there is a serious risk of a WP:FORK of one or more of the many list articles? -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 10:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
As of 12:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC), this table:
|fraction=yes
: 12The Currency symbol § List of historic currency symbols Historic signs table: ca. 45 rows. - DePiep ( talk) 12:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
What do these Southeast Asian characters mean? Are they the currency sign, or? And for which currency/country? Please someone position them (clarify).
DePiep ( talk) 13:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
I have added parameters |iso, iso2, iso3=
to the /row template. Not yet used, to be decided. Issue: what with multi-currencies like Fr, $-sign?
DePiep (
talk) 14:22, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
I propose to add a second column for symbols. It may be used for secondary, romanised (=into Latin script) and informal symbols. These would not clutter the first, main symbols. It prevents the need for notes like "Arabic form: .د.ت". After all, such symbols may be the (local) primary one.
Please take a look at {{ List of currency symbols/testcases}}. Comments? DePiep ( talk) 18:02, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
From the top:
؋
, Af
and Afs
are abreviationsAr
so it should not be listed in this table.Am I wrong? If so, why? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 11:49, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
You wrote, opening line:
A number of the currencies ... don't have a unique symbol but what they do have is an abbreviation letter or letters that act as such. That says to me: "sometimes an abbr is used as a symbol". Next, I wrote: if something is used as a currency symbol, it is a symbol full stop. And the IB will handle it as a currency symbol full stop. This implies that it does not matter where it came from (could be runic, could be an abbr, could be invented, could be double-bar-everything as often occurs this century -- whatever). So, when it <semantically> is a symbol, there is no need to signal where it came from.
The notation "/=" in 100/= is no more a currency symbol than is the ".00" in 100.00 or the ",00" in 100,00. The slash (strictly, solidus) is acting here as a decimal separator. This notation originates from the use of / as proxy for long s, ſ. [1] The ſ is an abbreviation of the word shilling. It is not a currency symbol, any more than a decimal point is. -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 09:48, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
As you write yourself: "The slash is acting here as a decimal separator": that's a symbol then.So presumably you argue equally that . and , are currency symbols? And you have a citation that supports that assertion? Because
100.00
is equally a "well-defined coded sign used to write an amount of money".--
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 11:18, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
137.9
which I know is intended to convey the information that the price is £1.379 per litre. The 1, the 3, the 7, the . and the 9 are all symbols. Which is the currency symbol?7,50
in the UK, it would not be understood or would be misunderstood. To British eyes, it looks seriously weird, just as 7.50
looks weird to French eyes. To both of us, "decimal point is /" is downright odd but in East Africa it is normal: the convention for decimal separator in prices is "/", as in 7/50. That it is only used in prices doesn't make it a currency symbol. It is an abbreviation for "s", meaning "shilling". Or are all abbreviations to be declared symbols now? Elsewhere you have argued (correctly, IMO) that the ISO 4217 code is not a currency symbol. Why not? it symbolises a currency. Doesn't that now make it a currency symbol after all?
References
sǒ·lidus, n. (pl. -di). (Hist.) gold coin introduced by Roman Emperor Constantine; (only in abbr. s.) shilling(s), as 7s. 6d., £1 1s.; the shilling line (for ſ or long s) as in 7/6. [LL use of L SOLIDus]
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Hi TheCurrencyGuy. I am pondering several improvements to the table(s). For example:
dollar-$
), usually automated available; should include historical table.What do you think? DePiep ( talk) 08:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
$
. Alternatively, {{
char}} $ is more subtle but there have been challenges about when and where it should be used. (It was the source of my only block ever, albeit due to a cock-up not a conspiracy.)I guess more fundamentally we need to ask what is the purpose of the template? Where is it used and why? It seems to me that there is a serious risk of a WP:FORK of one or more of the many list articles? -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 10:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
As of 12:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC), this table:
|fraction=yes
: 12The Currency symbol § List of historic currency symbols Historic signs table: ca. 45 rows. - DePiep ( talk) 12:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
What do these Southeast Asian characters mean? Are they the currency sign, or? And for which currency/country? Please someone position them (clarify).
DePiep ( talk) 13:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
I have added parameters |iso, iso2, iso3=
to the /row template. Not yet used, to be decided. Issue: what with multi-currencies like Fr, $-sign?
DePiep (
talk) 14:22, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
I propose to add a second column for symbols. It may be used for secondary, romanised (=into Latin script) and informal symbols. These would not clutter the first, main symbols. It prevents the need for notes like "Arabic form: .د.ت". After all, such symbols may be the (local) primary one.
Please take a look at {{ List of currency symbols/testcases}}. Comments? DePiep ( talk) 18:02, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
From the top:
؋
, Af
and Afs
are abreviationsAr
so it should not be listed in this table.Am I wrong? If so, why? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 11:49, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
You wrote, opening line:
A number of the currencies ... don't have a unique symbol but what they do have is an abbreviation letter or letters that act as such. That says to me: "sometimes an abbr is used as a symbol". Next, I wrote: if something is used as a currency symbol, it is a symbol full stop. And the IB will handle it as a currency symbol full stop. This implies that it does not matter where it came from (could be runic, could be an abbr, could be invented, could be double-bar-everything as often occurs this century -- whatever). So, when it <semantically> is a symbol, there is no need to signal where it came from.
The notation "/=" in 100/= is no more a currency symbol than is the ".00" in 100.00 or the ",00" in 100,00. The slash (strictly, solidus) is acting here as a decimal separator. This notation originates from the use of / as proxy for long s, ſ. [1] The ſ is an abbreviation of the word shilling. It is not a currency symbol, any more than a decimal point is. -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 09:48, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
As you write yourself: "The slash is acting here as a decimal separator": that's a symbol then.So presumably you argue equally that . and , are currency symbols? And you have a citation that supports that assertion? Because
100.00
is equally a "well-defined coded sign used to write an amount of money".--
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 11:18, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
137.9
which I know is intended to convey the information that the price is £1.379 per litre. The 1, the 3, the 7, the . and the 9 are all symbols. Which is the currency symbol?7,50
in the UK, it would not be understood or would be misunderstood. To British eyes, it looks seriously weird, just as 7.50
looks weird to French eyes. To both of us, "decimal point is /" is downright odd but in East Africa it is normal: the convention for decimal separator in prices is "/", as in 7/50. That it is only used in prices doesn't make it a currency symbol. It is an abbreviation for "s", meaning "shilling". Or are all abbreviations to be declared symbols now? Elsewhere you have argued (correctly, IMO) that the ISO 4217 code is not a currency symbol. Why not? it symbolises a currency. Doesn't that now make it a currency symbol after all?
References
sǒ·lidus, n. (pl. -di). (Hist.) gold coin introduced by Roman Emperor Constantine; (only in abbr. s.) shilling(s), as 7s. 6d., £1 1s.; the shilling line (for ſ or long s) as in 7/6. [LL use of L SOLIDus]