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Since Template talk:Latter Day Saints already redirects here, I will open this discussion here.
At some point in the past two Latter Day Saint movement templates, {{ Latter Day Saints}} and {{ LDS}}, did very different things. I have yet to figure out exactly what they did, but it appears to have been some kind of attempt to allow for multiple Latter Day Saint movement templates to be called out using only one template. (see TFD: Latter-day Saints)
However, at this point neither of these templates do what seemed to be intended purpose, nor do they follow WP:MOSLDS. {{ LDS}} is a redirect to {{ Latter Day Saints}}, but the coding of {{ Latter Day Saints}} only calls out for the use of {{ Latter-day Saints}}. So the net effect is {{ LDS}} redirects to {{ Latter Day Saints}} which redirects to {{ Latter-day Saints}}. (NOTE: While {{ Latter Day Saint movement}} appears on the actual {{ Latter Day Saints}} template page, the coding dose not pass {{ Latter Day Saint movement}} on to any page using {{ Latter Day Saints}}. Therefore any page that calls out {{ Latter Day Saints}} only gets {{ Latter-day Saints}}.)
After a little work, I fixed the few pages (10 or so) that used {{ LDS}} and {{ Latter Day Saints}} in the past, can changed it to the appropriate template, i.e any combination of {{ Latter Day Saint movement}}, {{ Latter-day Saints}} and {{ Community of Christ}}.
At this point, if you check "Pages that link to " Template:Latter Day Saints" and "Pages that link to Template:LDS, you will see that that these two templates are now only used on Talk, Wikipedia and Sandbox type namespaces and these templates are no longer used on any articles. This means can do anything we want to them
What dose everyone think?--- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk) 15:35, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that Mormon pornography is listed under "culture" on this template. I don't think it belongs there. It seems more a product of ex-Mormon culture than of Mormon culture. Similarly, Portrayal of Mormons in comics would not go under this heading, because it is describing how outsiders depict Mormons. Does anyone disagree? Rachel Helps (BYU) ( talk) 19:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
No way to trim it from the template; is confusing. The page isn't locked from editing. We could easily trim it from the template. P-Makoto (she/her) ( talk) 21:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
I created a "study and portrayal of Mormons" section, but I'm not totally satisfied with it. I'm open to your thoughts. Rachel Helps (BYU) ( talk) 22:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
As I've spent more time with this and other templates, the balloon-like size of it has increasingly dawned on me. There are nearly 160 links in the template as it presently stands. While essays are not binding policy, they can provide advice that is persuasive and useful; I think
this essay about navigation boxes is both: The goal is not to cram as many related articles as possible into one space
and a large template has limited navigation value
. The
current template is so over-exhaustive a reader can get lost in what is, effectly, a "sea of blue". As the essay asks, Would a reader really want to go from A to B?
Does a link to
second anointing really serve a Wikipedia user reading about
Joseph Smith III?
Additionally, the links overwhelmingly favor topics pertaining only to one denomination: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (The "Doctrines and practices" section even links not to a page about the doctrines and practices of the Latter Day Saint movement, but of Latter-day Saints specifically!) It's understandable there's more Wikipedia pages about that denomination, because there's more secondary source coverage of it—but is it really useful for this template to have so much overlap with the existing template:Latter-day Saints?
I propose a more focused template that refrains from unnecessary overlap with other templates and concentrates on highlighting what will be of the highest utility for a cross-denominational template about the overall movement: comparative reading about various denominations and leaders. I have created a potential new version in a sandbox. What do editors think of this? P-Makoto (she/her) ( talk) 06:45, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
other texts considered sacredrefers to various texts of the Latter Day Saint movement, like the Book of the Law of the Lord (significant to Strangism) or the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible (significant to Latter-day Saints and Community of Christ). This is very telling, however: the existing navigation box is so bloated and overstuffed that the various sacred texts linked didn't even register. This goes toward why I propose trimming this navigation box down to something more manageable. P-Makoto (she/her) ( talk) 22:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Since Template talk:Latter Day Saints already redirects here, I will open this discussion here.
At some point in the past two Latter Day Saint movement templates, {{ Latter Day Saints}} and {{ LDS}}, did very different things. I have yet to figure out exactly what they did, but it appears to have been some kind of attempt to allow for multiple Latter Day Saint movement templates to be called out using only one template. (see TFD: Latter-day Saints)
However, at this point neither of these templates do what seemed to be intended purpose, nor do they follow WP:MOSLDS. {{ LDS}} is a redirect to {{ Latter Day Saints}}, but the coding of {{ Latter Day Saints}} only calls out for the use of {{ Latter-day Saints}}. So the net effect is {{ LDS}} redirects to {{ Latter Day Saints}} which redirects to {{ Latter-day Saints}}. (NOTE: While {{ Latter Day Saint movement}} appears on the actual {{ Latter Day Saints}} template page, the coding dose not pass {{ Latter Day Saint movement}} on to any page using {{ Latter Day Saints}}. Therefore any page that calls out {{ Latter Day Saints}} only gets {{ Latter-day Saints}}.)
After a little work, I fixed the few pages (10 or so) that used {{ LDS}} and {{ Latter Day Saints}} in the past, can changed it to the appropriate template, i.e any combination of {{ Latter Day Saint movement}}, {{ Latter-day Saints}} and {{ Community of Christ}}.
At this point, if you check "Pages that link to " Template:Latter Day Saints" and "Pages that link to Template:LDS, you will see that that these two templates are now only used on Talk, Wikipedia and Sandbox type namespaces and these templates are no longer used on any articles. This means can do anything we want to them
What dose everyone think?--- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk) 15:35, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that Mormon pornography is listed under "culture" on this template. I don't think it belongs there. It seems more a product of ex-Mormon culture than of Mormon culture. Similarly, Portrayal of Mormons in comics would not go under this heading, because it is describing how outsiders depict Mormons. Does anyone disagree? Rachel Helps (BYU) ( talk) 19:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
No way to trim it from the template; is confusing. The page isn't locked from editing. We could easily trim it from the template. P-Makoto (she/her) ( talk) 21:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
I created a "study and portrayal of Mormons" section, but I'm not totally satisfied with it. I'm open to your thoughts. Rachel Helps (BYU) ( talk) 22:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
As I've spent more time with this and other templates, the balloon-like size of it has increasingly dawned on me. There are nearly 160 links in the template as it presently stands. While essays are not binding policy, they can provide advice that is persuasive and useful; I think
this essay about navigation boxes is both: The goal is not to cram as many related articles as possible into one space
and a large template has limited navigation value
. The
current template is so over-exhaustive a reader can get lost in what is, effectly, a "sea of blue". As the essay asks, Would a reader really want to go from A to B?
Does a link to
second anointing really serve a Wikipedia user reading about
Joseph Smith III?
Additionally, the links overwhelmingly favor topics pertaining only to one denomination: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (The "Doctrines and practices" section even links not to a page about the doctrines and practices of the Latter Day Saint movement, but of Latter-day Saints specifically!) It's understandable there's more Wikipedia pages about that denomination, because there's more secondary source coverage of it—but is it really useful for this template to have so much overlap with the existing template:Latter-day Saints?
I propose a more focused template that refrains from unnecessary overlap with other templates and concentrates on highlighting what will be of the highest utility for a cross-denominational template about the overall movement: comparative reading about various denominations and leaders. I have created a potential new version in a sandbox. What do editors think of this? P-Makoto (she/her) ( talk) 06:45, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
other texts considered sacredrefers to various texts of the Latter Day Saint movement, like the Book of the Law of the Lord (significant to Strangism) or the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible (significant to Latter-day Saints and Community of Christ). This is very telling, however: the existing navigation box is so bloated and overstuffed that the various sacred texts linked didn't even register. This goes toward why I propose trimming this navigation box down to something more manageable. P-Makoto (she/her) ( talk) 22:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)