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Has this template not grown out of control? I believe the template should only contain the following information: - the various IRAs and other important but general information such as - List of IRA Chiefs of Staff - A link to the Category:Irish Republican Army
There is no need to list out a range of IRA members, former and current. As it stands, the selection is pretty random. If we were to include all the chiefs of staff, all the hunger strikes and all the other major historial figures who were associated with the IRA as well as the political parties associated with the IRA, the box would just become too unwieldly.
How about trimming it down?-- Damac 20:50, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
It's still too big. I don't see any case for the list in the See Also box. It grew stupidly big because it existed in the first place, because who should say what should be in and what should be out. So I've squared the circle by making it a simple link to the category Category:Irish Republican Army. If anyone wants to see a list of self-proclaimed Heroes of the Revolution, this says where to look. Neat, tidy, no debate about qualifications for entry. -- Red King 22:32, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I added Óglaigh na hÉireann (Continuity IRA splinter group) to this template, thinking that it should be included in the list. Since it seems that the CIRA no longer considers members of ONH members of CIRA (apparently the IMC thinks that CIRA has tried to exile ONH members), and has undertaken several of it's own actions, I think it should be listed distinctly.
The group was removed, for the reasoning: "group does not use name "Irish Republican Army" . That's true. But I think that the template should include this group, and probably the INLA as well. The IMC has included both as threats in its reports, both are descended from IRA organizations, do basically the same thing with quite similar purpose, and it just seems to fit. The other option seems to be creating an entirely new template, which lists the new groups as well as the old, creating a hell of a lot of overlap. What do y'all think? Erin Go Bragh 21:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I've created an expanded template, that's more up to date with Template customs (uses the standard navbox template) an is a more complete navigational box for Armed Irish Republican groups. It can be found for now at {{ Wikipedia:WikiProject Irish Republican Army/Preparation/Template:IRAs}}. I'd like to replace the current {{ Template:IRAs}} with it, or with a template with similar comprehensiveness. Erin Go Bragh talk 09:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Is this going anywhere? One Night In Hackney 303 00:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Is the Irish Citizens Army really still in existence? There can't be any old comrades still alive, can there? -- Red King ( talk) 14:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
So as to prevent an edit war, I thought it best to discuss this. Both articles on the Official and Provisional IRAs describe their organizations as having ceased operations, so I feel it fit to edit the template to reflect this. Your thoughts?
GrahamNoyes (
talk) 18:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
The IRA are known to the British as terrorists, but that is a lie. The IRA fought for freedom, for their country, freedom against British rule and the safety of their family. The British ruled Ireland for 800 years till 1921 when the IRA won their Independance os 4 5ths of Ireland but still own the North of Ireland. The British moved Prodesnt preists over to convert the Irish and English land owners stole land off the Irish and would not let any Irish person be rich. The British techers in Ireland beat Irish children for speeking a word of Gaelic(the Irish language) to force the Irish to speek English and the British have also killed Irish citizen's even women and children. The British army killed 11 Irish citizens (men and women) in a peace march in Derry on the 30th January 1972. Even the Police in Ireland were anti Irish Catholics.
So who are the real terrorists?
-- Robert donaldson ( talk) 17:51, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
The years after each organisation are completely inconsistent, and even incorrect. For example after Official IRA there is (1969–1971), but their ceasefire didn't start until 1972 and that didn't result in activity stopping, their post-ceasefire violence is well documented. In contrast Provisional IRA's years are listed as 1969–2005 which isn't that unreasonable, if other organisations are going to be held to the same standard. But then you have Continuity IRA (1986–present), but while they might have come into existence in 1986 they weren't active for years afterwards. Then there's Óglaigh na hÉireann (Real IRA splinter group) (2009–2018), but they were formed in 2005/6 and became active in 2009. And so on...
It seems to be the dates are problematic. The first date for each organisation is generally (but not always) the date they were formed. But the second date isn't the date they ceased to exist (if applicable), it's the date they ceased to be active (generally speaking). It doesn't make sense to mix dates in this way. I believe the simplest way to resolve all these problems is to remove the dates completely, any objections? If objecting, please provide some kind of solution as to how the problems can be revolved. FDW777 ( talk) 12:26, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Ireland Template‑class | |||||||
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Has this template not grown out of control? I believe the template should only contain the following information: - the various IRAs and other important but general information such as - List of IRA Chiefs of Staff - A link to the Category:Irish Republican Army
There is no need to list out a range of IRA members, former and current. As it stands, the selection is pretty random. If we were to include all the chiefs of staff, all the hunger strikes and all the other major historial figures who were associated with the IRA as well as the political parties associated with the IRA, the box would just become too unwieldly.
How about trimming it down?-- Damac 20:50, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
It's still too big. I don't see any case for the list in the See Also box. It grew stupidly big because it existed in the first place, because who should say what should be in and what should be out. So I've squared the circle by making it a simple link to the category Category:Irish Republican Army. If anyone wants to see a list of self-proclaimed Heroes of the Revolution, this says where to look. Neat, tidy, no debate about qualifications for entry. -- Red King 22:32, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I added Óglaigh na hÉireann (Continuity IRA splinter group) to this template, thinking that it should be included in the list. Since it seems that the CIRA no longer considers members of ONH members of CIRA (apparently the IMC thinks that CIRA has tried to exile ONH members), and has undertaken several of it's own actions, I think it should be listed distinctly.
The group was removed, for the reasoning: "group does not use name "Irish Republican Army" . That's true. But I think that the template should include this group, and probably the INLA as well. The IMC has included both as threats in its reports, both are descended from IRA organizations, do basically the same thing with quite similar purpose, and it just seems to fit. The other option seems to be creating an entirely new template, which lists the new groups as well as the old, creating a hell of a lot of overlap. What do y'all think? Erin Go Bragh 21:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I've created an expanded template, that's more up to date with Template customs (uses the standard navbox template) an is a more complete navigational box for Armed Irish Republican groups. It can be found for now at {{ Wikipedia:WikiProject Irish Republican Army/Preparation/Template:IRAs}}. I'd like to replace the current {{ Template:IRAs}} with it, or with a template with similar comprehensiveness. Erin Go Bragh talk 09:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Is this going anywhere? One Night In Hackney 303 00:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Is the Irish Citizens Army really still in existence? There can't be any old comrades still alive, can there? -- Red King ( talk) 14:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
So as to prevent an edit war, I thought it best to discuss this. Both articles on the Official and Provisional IRAs describe their organizations as having ceased operations, so I feel it fit to edit the template to reflect this. Your thoughts?
GrahamNoyes (
talk) 18:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
The IRA are known to the British as terrorists, but that is a lie. The IRA fought for freedom, for their country, freedom against British rule and the safety of their family. The British ruled Ireland for 800 years till 1921 when the IRA won their Independance os 4 5ths of Ireland but still own the North of Ireland. The British moved Prodesnt preists over to convert the Irish and English land owners stole land off the Irish and would not let any Irish person be rich. The British techers in Ireland beat Irish children for speeking a word of Gaelic(the Irish language) to force the Irish to speek English and the British have also killed Irish citizen's even women and children. The British army killed 11 Irish citizens (men and women) in a peace march in Derry on the 30th January 1972. Even the Police in Ireland were anti Irish Catholics.
So who are the real terrorists?
-- Robert donaldson ( talk) 17:51, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
The years after each organisation are completely inconsistent, and even incorrect. For example after Official IRA there is (1969–1971), but their ceasefire didn't start until 1972 and that didn't result in activity stopping, their post-ceasefire violence is well documented. In contrast Provisional IRA's years are listed as 1969–2005 which isn't that unreasonable, if other organisations are going to be held to the same standard. But then you have Continuity IRA (1986–present), but while they might have come into existence in 1986 they weren't active for years afterwards. Then there's Óglaigh na hÉireann (Real IRA splinter group) (2009–2018), but they were formed in 2005/6 and became active in 2009. And so on...
It seems to be the dates are problematic. The first date for each organisation is generally (but not always) the date they were formed. But the second date isn't the date they ceased to exist (if applicable), it's the date they ceased to be active (generally speaking). It doesn't make sense to mix dates in this way. I believe the simplest way to resolve all these problems is to remove the dates completely, any objections? If objecting, please provide some kind of solution as to how the problems can be revolved. FDW777 ( talk) 12:26, 24 August 2020 (UTC)