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My format is clearly much cleaner than yours. -- Cantus 22:46, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)
I think the biggest reaction against the edits is that the bullets change the nature of the template entirely. They add way to much clutter to all the templates they are in. Let me explain my reasoning. In a list within in an article, bullets help direct the eye to the organization of topics, they scream "this is a list." But the template with vertically aligned topics separated from the main article already makes it clear (to the scanning eye) that the user is reading a list, there is absolutely no reason for bullets, especially when horizontal space matters. In addition the bullets just move the eye away from the text in this situation, detracting from the design. If you don't want the text so close to the edge, padding would be fine, negative space can often help keep the eye less confused. I'd suggest using <br/> between each line instead of using bullets. To keep organization and some spacing, ":" works fine (the indent character in wikitext).
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siro
χ
o 04:38, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
My view of the situation is similar to siroχo's. The bullets are ugly, distracting and unnecessary, and it's obvious that this is a list. I've made a new format that I hope is reasonable. Guan aco 22:07, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The default skin for Wikipedia is MonoBook. Please look at how the navigation and toolbox menu format is done, to your left. I'm just using the default format in Wikipedia, which I also happen to like. -- Cantus 00:08, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)
The white, gray, white, gray, ... ping-pong is disastrous. We need a navigational element here, not distraction for the eyes. -- Joy [shallot] 12:57, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
This thread moved to Wikipedia talk:Series templates.
I've improved the format of the navbox [edit] link, but I'm still against including them at all. Why? Because:
Does anyone object to my removing the [edit] link? — Michael Z.
PS: Does anyone know how to make the edit link without the little "external link" icon next to it? — Michael Z.
I altered the edit link for 2 different reasons.
Circeus 21:08, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
For the record, I asked Ghirlandajo a while ago to look into what seemed to be rather sweeping changes to the template. I personally really don't like it's current aspect, but can't comment on the content. What would you think if I reformatted it into a style similar to what it was before User:Kingfish changed it? Circeus 16:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I got inspired here after seeing German History Box and decided to do something similar for Russia. Here it is. What do you guys think?
History of Russia |
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Early Middle Ages (c. 800—900) |
Early East Slavs |
Rus Khaganate |
Middle Ages (c. 1000—1500) |
20px Kievan Rus |
Vladimir-Suzdal |
Novgorod Republic |
Tataro-Mongol Yoke |
Golden Horde |
Grand Duchy of Moscow |
Early Modern Times (c. 1600—1900) |
Tsardom of Russia |
Rurik Dynasty |
1721—1796 |
Russian Empire |
Romanov Dynasty |
1796—1855 · 1855—1892 |
Modern Times (c. 1900—1990) |
Russian Revolutions: |
1905 · 1917 · 1918 |
File:Blason Russie 1917.gif Provisional Government |
Civil War |
Soviet Russia / USSR |
Great Patriotic War |
Cold War / Eastern Block |
1927—1953 · 1953—1985 · 1985—1991 |
Contemporary |
State Emergency Committee |
Russian Federation |
Topical |
Russia / CIS |
Military History |
Russian People |
Russian Language |
History Timeline |
Miscellaneous Topics |
I tried my best to include the most important historical milestones. I'm looking for suggestions of what needs to be added or removed. Zealander ( talk) 23:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Added from Dobrom user: Hi guys ,thanks for template.I've used some of your ideas to update it to a better version...Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dobrom ( talk • contribs) 07:41, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
On these two pages, published a letter from the Chief Heraldry Master of Russia. It is dated 2006. http://www.rus-deco.com/vp/JS-Lib/CustomerSites/Common/view_larger.htm?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rus-deco.com%2F510_500_csupload_20087015.jpg%3Fu%3D553230982
THNKS!
Barbe Igor ( talk) 09:45, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Errors are very much ... The work was conducted 1.5 years. Important task of work - fixing bugs and improving the drawing. Let's start ... 1. How many roses in the arms of Finland (official Blason)? Should be eight, but in the old figure of seven. 2. Where directed Halberd in the arms of Yaroslavl? (Must be directed upward, and at the old figure, it is directed downward). ........... 30. What color is the lining of the Astrakhan crown? (should be green, and figure on the old lining is red.)
Thank you!
In any case, thank you for your sincere attention to matters of heraldry. Read more references to a letter from the Chief Heraldry Master of Russia.
Best regards!
Igor Barbe Barbe Igor ( talk) 12:15, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
The recent changes to this template are unwarranted and often ungrammatical. There is no need for multiple links to different sections of a single page. The template had been stable for years and now suddenly there is an edit war over sweeping, undiscussed changes that do not appear to be improvements. Please discuss changes and gain consensus before overhauling a stable template. Laszlo Panaflex ( talk) 16:35, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
Would that be possible if we can change the coat of arms to this one below? :
This here is the current Russian eagle in the Soviet era coat of arms in place of the Hammer and Sickle. It would be a nice fit to the template since the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union are part of Russian Federation's history. Any thoughts? 01:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.23.144.92 ( talk)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
History of Russia template. |
|
This template does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
My format is clearly much cleaner than yours. -- Cantus 22:46, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)
I think the biggest reaction against the edits is that the bullets change the nature of the template entirely. They add way to much clutter to all the templates they are in. Let me explain my reasoning. In a list within in an article, bullets help direct the eye to the organization of topics, they scream "this is a list." But the template with vertically aligned topics separated from the main article already makes it clear (to the scanning eye) that the user is reading a list, there is absolutely no reason for bullets, especially when horizontal space matters. In addition the bullets just move the eye away from the text in this situation, detracting from the design. If you don't want the text so close to the edge, padding would be fine, negative space can often help keep the eye less confused. I'd suggest using <br/> between each line instead of using bullets. To keep organization and some spacing, ":" works fine (the indent character in wikitext).
—
siro
χ
o 04:38, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
My view of the situation is similar to siroχo's. The bullets are ugly, distracting and unnecessary, and it's obvious that this is a list. I've made a new format that I hope is reasonable. Guan aco 22:07, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The default skin for Wikipedia is MonoBook. Please look at how the navigation and toolbox menu format is done, to your left. I'm just using the default format in Wikipedia, which I also happen to like. -- Cantus 00:08, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)
The white, gray, white, gray, ... ping-pong is disastrous. We need a navigational element here, not distraction for the eyes. -- Joy [shallot] 12:57, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
This thread moved to Wikipedia talk:Series templates.
I've improved the format of the navbox [edit] link, but I'm still against including them at all. Why? Because:
Does anyone object to my removing the [edit] link? — Michael Z.
PS: Does anyone know how to make the edit link without the little "external link" icon next to it? — Michael Z.
I altered the edit link for 2 different reasons.
Circeus 21:08, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
For the record, I asked Ghirlandajo a while ago to look into what seemed to be rather sweeping changes to the template. I personally really don't like it's current aspect, but can't comment on the content. What would you think if I reformatted it into a style similar to what it was before User:Kingfish changed it? Circeus 16:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I got inspired here after seeing German History Box and decided to do something similar for Russia. Here it is. What do you guys think?
History of Russia |
---|
Early Middle Ages (c. 800—900) |
Early East Slavs |
Rus Khaganate |
Middle Ages (c. 1000—1500) |
20px Kievan Rus |
Vladimir-Suzdal |
Novgorod Republic |
Tataro-Mongol Yoke |
Golden Horde |
Grand Duchy of Moscow |
Early Modern Times (c. 1600—1900) |
Tsardom of Russia |
Rurik Dynasty |
1721—1796 |
Russian Empire |
Romanov Dynasty |
1796—1855 · 1855—1892 |
Modern Times (c. 1900—1990) |
Russian Revolutions: |
1905 · 1917 · 1918 |
File:Blason Russie 1917.gif Provisional Government |
Civil War |
Soviet Russia / USSR |
Great Patriotic War |
Cold War / Eastern Block |
1927—1953 · 1953—1985 · 1985—1991 |
Contemporary |
State Emergency Committee |
Russian Federation |
Topical |
Russia / CIS |
Military History |
Russian People |
Russian Language |
History Timeline |
Miscellaneous Topics |
I tried my best to include the most important historical milestones. I'm looking for suggestions of what needs to be added or removed. Zealander ( talk) 23:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Added from Dobrom user: Hi guys ,thanks for template.I've used some of your ideas to update it to a better version...Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dobrom ( talk • contribs) 07:41, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
On these two pages, published a letter from the Chief Heraldry Master of Russia. It is dated 2006. http://www.rus-deco.com/vp/JS-Lib/CustomerSites/Common/view_larger.htm?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rus-deco.com%2F510_500_csupload_20087015.jpg%3Fu%3D553230982
THNKS!
Barbe Igor ( talk) 09:45, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Errors are very much ... The work was conducted 1.5 years. Important task of work - fixing bugs and improving the drawing. Let's start ... 1. How many roses in the arms of Finland (official Blason)? Should be eight, but in the old figure of seven. 2. Where directed Halberd in the arms of Yaroslavl? (Must be directed upward, and at the old figure, it is directed downward). ........... 30. What color is the lining of the Astrakhan crown? (should be green, and figure on the old lining is red.)
Thank you!
In any case, thank you for your sincere attention to matters of heraldry. Read more references to a letter from the Chief Heraldry Master of Russia.
Best regards!
Igor Barbe Barbe Igor ( talk) 12:15, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
The recent changes to this template are unwarranted and often ungrammatical. There is no need for multiple links to different sections of a single page. The template had been stable for years and now suddenly there is an edit war over sweeping, undiscussed changes that do not appear to be improvements. Please discuss changes and gain consensus before overhauling a stable template. Laszlo Panaflex ( talk) 16:35, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
Would that be possible if we can change the coat of arms to this one below? :
This here is the current Russian eagle in the Soviet era coat of arms in place of the Hammer and Sickle. It would be a nice fit to the template since the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union are part of Russian Federation's history. Any thoughts? 01:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.23.144.92 ( talk)